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NFT: So when do the Mets go into sell mode?

CMicks3110 : 6/21/2017 7:18 am
6 weeks? I can't see us turning his season around.
I really don't think the Mets will get much  
jlukes : 6/21/2017 7:45 am : link
who do they have to trade?

Bruce
Granderson
Duda
Cabrera (if he can stay healthy)
Walker
They got a decent return for marlin byrd  
CMicks3110 : 6/21/2017 7:48 am : link
We could get something
lots of AL teams in contention  
spike : 6/21/2017 7:58 am : link
trade Duda, Reed, and Bruce. Granderson if there is a taker, but I think he stays. Walker should go once he recovers.
today would be a good idea.  
Victor in CT : 6/21/2017 7:59 am : link
they are done
I'm not a Mets fan, but I like to see them do well  
bigbluehoya : 6/21/2017 8:04 am : link
I think Bruce, Reed, Blevins all have pretty good value at the deadline.
Now.  
GiantFilthy : 6/21/2017 8:15 am : link
I'll take one Syndergaard, please.
RE: today would be a good idea.  
Jim in Fairfax : 6/21/2017 8:16 am : link
In comment 13505785 Victor in CT said:
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they are done


This,

They're 11.5 games out with half their roster on the DL or nursing injuries. Pull the plug, get what you can, get some experience for younger guys.
Rest the half broken Cabrera  
spike : 6/21/2017 8:22 am : link
Bench Or DFA reyes. Play Reynolds, Flores and TJ and promote Rosario.

Well  
superspynyg : 6/21/2017 8:24 am : link
Take DeGrom for a moderate price.
The longer term question  
MetsAreBack : 6/21/2017 8:54 am : link
is can this group of pitchers ever stay healthy going forward, or is this Wilson-Pulsipher-Izzy all over again?

Yes, we're "done" -- we're also going with a pitching staff of Pill - Gsellman - Lugo - degrom - Matz - Wheeler .. with the all-star closer also out for months.

It's a joke.
Time to start Montero  
spike : 6/21/2017 8:57 am : link
And see what he really has as a starter.

Demote Gsellman. He needs more seasoninf
Yeah, felt terrible for Gsellman last night  
MetsAreBack : 6/21/2017 8:58 am : link
his whole family was there to witness that, but he stank.
I'd start the selling process  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2017 9:00 am : link
now.

I'd also put Rafael Montero in the rotation consistently.

and then fix him or be rid of him for good. I'd let Wheeler get through the rest of his brutal innings and shut him down.

I'd try and trade Bruce, Duda, Reed, Reyes, Grandy, Walker, TDA, Lagares, TJ Rivera, Blevins, Edgin, Salas, Matt Reynolds, and Nimmo.

and anyone else, no one is untouchable except Syndergaard, deGrom, and Rosario.
6th worst record in baseball  
spike : 6/21/2017 9:02 am : link
Go full tank mode and strive for a better 2018 draft pock
I'm not a mets fan  
mattlawson : 6/21/2017 9:25 am : link
But didn't they coughlin era Giants and mets share some sports training staff or hospital or something? Aren't they the most injured team?
start now  
bigblue12 : 6/21/2017 9:25 am : link
Conforto, Cespedes, Rosario, Smith, DeGrom, Syndegaard are the core going forward. Everyone else is available in my opinion.
I didn't expect Gsellman to be as good as he was last season  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2017 9:37 am : link
but I expected him to be better than this. The truth is the Mets won't get anything for Granderson even if they eat the remainder of this salary. I don't think you guys would be happy with the returns for Bruce, Reed, and Duda. They should hang onto Duda and try to work out a short term extension.
RE: I didn't expect Gsellman to be as good as he was last season  
feelflows : 6/21/2017 9:39 am : link
In comment 13505902 Jay on the Island said:
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but I expected him to be better than this. The truth is the Mets won't get anything for Granderson even if they eat the remainder of this salary. I don't think you guys would be happy with the returns for Bruce, Reed, and Duda. They should hang onto Duda and try to work out a short term extension.


I think they will get a nice return on Bruce and possibly Duda if a 1B goes down...

Reed is interesting. Bullpens are imploding throughout the league right now. Might get an overpay. MIGHT.
Bruce, Reed  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2017 9:47 am : link
and Duda will absolutely net good value back. No one should be disappointed unless their expectations are getting Thor for Dickey.

Whether it's prospects or young players all could be dealt for value.

All three are FA's after the season and I wouldn't expect any to get QO's (Bruce?) so any return on them is a good one IMO.

And worse players have been traded than Granderson have been traded at the deadline to contenders looking for depth, sure you won't get Amed Rosario back, but you could get someone for him which is better than running a 37 year old washed up OFer every day. Who is also a FA after the season.
there's a team  
feelflows : 6/21/2017 9:59 am : link
nearby who REALLY needs a 1B... it's the biggest hole in their lineup (and 3B)..

speaking of 1B  
feelflows : 6/21/2017 10:09 am : link
how about Dom Smith??

Kid looks legit
RE: speaking of 1B  
Metnut : 6/21/2017 10:18 am : link
In comment 13505959 feelflows said:
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how about Dom Smith??

Kid looks legit


Has he been hot lately? I was under the impression that his power numbers wern't too great.

If someone makes the Mets a strong offer for a player, I think they'd have to consider "selling" but other than that there's no rush. Yea, it looks pretty bleak right now being so far under .500 and not playing well but 4-5 weeks from now will be when the trades pick up and might as well see if they can run off a 20-9 type of run to get back into the race. These guys looked dead last year too.
Let me explain my Rose position...  
Keith : 6/21/2017 10:27 am : link
I certainly understand the perception of Derrick Rose and I also understand his history. I think the likelihood if getting him on a 1 year 6-8M deal is low. I am not sure what his knee looks like, that's also very concerning to me. I'd make sure my doctors are looking at the MRI's very closely and it shows no more structural damage. His knee injury is one that you can come back very quickly from and be 100%, it just means that his career will be shortened on the back end. I would make sure he understands that his role will be as the 6th man and he would need to fully embrace that. Having said all of that...

I believe that Rose has an elite skill which is very valuable in the NBA. I agree that Rose doesn't work well with KP, but as the 6th man, those minutes together would be very limited and they did play well in short doses at points when Rose would come in and Melo would go out. I also understand that Rose went MIA, I would have suspended him, but there must be more to the situation than we know. The Knicks seem to look at Rose favorably, even though his public image is one of a guy that doesn't seem to care. Either way, it's not something I can't get past. I understand that his defense lacked last year, but I put that on the mental approach. Early in the season, I think his defense was solid, but as the season slipped away, his frustration kicked in. Again, I think there was more to that.

I think Rose can have some success as the 6th man and have some trade value. Rose has thrived in the past when he was the scorer and he had good role players around him. What is the risk as the 6th man on a 1 year deal? Fans feelings on players shouldn't matter.

Melo on the other hand does not have an elite skill anymore. I think he's a decent spot up shooter now at best, but the majority of his shots are coming from further and further away. Sure he can have that 1 great shooting game every 5 games, but the other 4 games he's hurting us because he stops the offense and doesn't play on defense. He can't and doesn't get to the rim anymore. All of his shots are from long range and I'd guess the defense has a much higher % of getting those rebounds. He cannot succeed as the 2nd fiddle to KP without a PG that can distribute very well.

I think Rose takes better shots. I think Rose's scoring ability is better, I think Rose as the 6th man fits better. I think Rose might net you something decent. Melo's value has consistently gone down with his game. He has not been the same player since the knee injury and he's not a guy that really busts it to be great. He's never in great shape, he saves his energy for when the ball is in his hands and he's only getting older. I wouldn't just buy Melo out, but I'd take back almost anything that doesn't hurt us. I'm not sure what that is though.
Wow, not sure how that happened.  
Keith : 6/21/2017 10:28 am : link
My bad.
ASAP.  
arcarsenal : 6/21/2017 10:37 am : link
This team sucks and isn't going anywhere. Anything that can be done to improve the outlook for next year and beyond should be done. Let the kids gain some experience at the ML level and fire this fucking training staff.
RE: RE: speaking of 1B  
feelflows : 6/21/2017 10:49 am : link
In comment 13505979 Metnut said:
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In comment 13505959 feelflows said:


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how about Dom Smith??

Kid looks legit



Has he been hot lately? I was under the impression that his power numbers wern't too great.

If someone makes the Mets a strong offer for a player, I think they'd have to consider "selling" but other than that there's no rush. Yea, it looks pretty bleak right now being so far under .500 and not playing well but 4-5 weeks from now will be when the trades pick up and might as well see if they can run off a 20-9 type of run to get back into the race. These guys looked dead last year too.


this season:

.323/.374/.469

it's definite progress. I'm not by any stretch suggesting he has Ruthian type power (yet!! haha).. but it's progress.

Both Rosario and Smith  
gmen9892 : 6/21/2017 11:17 am : link
Have cooled off a bit over the past 2 weeks. Would like to see them heat up and coincide with a team selling off some of the vets to build for next year.
RE: Bruce, Reed  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2017 11:35 am : link
In comment 13505911 pjcas18 said:
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and Duda will absolutely net good value back. No one should be disappointed unless their expectations are getting Thor for Dickey.

Whether it's prospects or young players all could be dealt for value.

All three are FA's after the season and I wouldn't expect any to get QO's (Bruce?) so any return on them is a good one IMO.

And worse players have been traded than Granderson have been traded at the deadline to contenders looking for depth, sure you won't get Amed Rosario back, but you could get someone for him which is better than running a 37 year old washed up OFer every day. Who is also a FA after the season.

The Mets may be able to get a decent return for Bruce but they won't get back the same return that they gave up to acquire him. The problem with Duda is that none of the contenders need a first baseman besides the Yankees and they too aren't likely to be interested in him. They could look to a team who needs a DH but again there aren't many AL contenders with a need there. Reed should net them a decent return but not a top 100 prospect
RE: RE: Bruce, Reed  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2017 11:40 am : link
In comment 13506158 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13505911 pjcas18 said:


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and Duda will absolutely net good value back. No one should be disappointed unless their expectations are getting Thor for Dickey.

Whether it's prospects or young players all could be dealt for value.

All three are FA's after the season and I wouldn't expect any to get QO's (Bruce?) so any return on them is a good one IMO.

And worse players have been traded than Granderson have been traded at the deadline to contenders looking for depth, sure you won't get Amed Rosario back, but you could get someone for him which is better than running a 37 year old washed up OFer every day. Who is also a FA after the season.


The Mets may be able to get a decent return for Bruce but they won't get back the same return that they gave up to acquire him. The problem with Duda is that none of the contenders need a first baseman besides the Yankees and they too aren't likely to be interested in him. They could look to a team who needs a DH but again there aren't many AL contenders with a need there. Reed should net them a decent return but not a top 100 prospect


the deadline is 6 weeks away. You have no idea what anyone will need, and while sure maybe teams won't need a 1B per se, a lefty power bat is always interesting for contenders.

and so they don't net a top 100 prospect you said mets fans won't be happy with the returns for them but reality is they're all unlikely to be here next year, so whatever Sandy gets for them is gravy. even a non-top 100 prospect.
RE: RE: RE: speaking of 1B  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2017 11:41 am : link
In comment 13506049 feelflows said:
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this season:

.323/.374/.469

it's definite progress. I'm not by any stretch suggesting he has Ruthian type power (yet!! haha).. but it's progress.

He has 7 homeruns in 313 at bats in Vegas. That will not get it done in the majors.
RE: RE: RE: Bruce, Reed  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2017 11:46 am : link
In comment 13506167 pjcas18 said:
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the deadline is 6 weeks away. You have no idea what anyone will need, and while sure maybe teams won't need a 1B per se, a lefty power bat is always interesting for contenders.

and so they don't net a top 100 prospect you said mets fans won't be happy with the returns for them but reality is they're all unlikely to be here next year, so whatever Sandy gets for them is gravy. even a non-top 100 prospect.

Yes teams like power but where would they play Duda? Teams aren't going to give up much for a bench player. As for Reed I wasn't saying that they wouldn't get anything good I was just saying don't expect a top 100 prospect for him. They could get a low level prospect or two with high upsides.
Can we sell Collins?  
Torrag : 6/21/2017 12:05 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: RE: Bruce, Reed  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2017 12:28 pm : link
In comment 13506187 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13506167 pjcas18 said:


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the deadline is 6 weeks away. You have no idea what anyone will need, and while sure maybe teams won't need a 1B per se, a lefty power bat is always interesting for contenders.

and so they don't net a top 100 prospect you said mets fans won't be happy with the returns for them but reality is they're all unlikely to be here next year, so whatever Sandy gets for them is gravy. even a non-top 100 prospect.


Yes teams like power but where would they play Duda? Teams aren't going to give up much for a bench player. As for Reed I wasn't saying that they wouldn't get anything good I was just saying don't expect a top 100 prospect for him. They could get a low level prospect or two with high upsides.


DH. Duda is a better fielding 1B than he gets credit for, though no one is going to confuse him with Keith Hernandez, but I feel like DH would be perfect for him with his injury history.

and he'd be a rental anyway, so no one is giving up a lot for him.

low level prospects with any upside are better than running out veterans like Duda (if he's not in the Mets long term plans and I don't think he is), Reyes, Cabrera, Reed, Bruce, Rivera, etc. if you ware waving the white towel.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Bruce, Reed  
Jay on the Island : 6/21/2017 12:40 pm : link
In comment 13506249 pjcas18 said:
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low level prospects with any upside are better than running out veterans like Duda (if he's not in the Mets long term plans and I don't think he is), Reyes, Cabrera, Reed, Bruce, Rivera, etc. if you ware waving the white towel.

I won't disagree with you there. The Braves rebuilt their farm system bringing in raw talented players for veterans.
more thought  
feelflows : 6/21/2017 1:07 pm : link
1) REED & WALKER - Sandy should call AZ NOW and start working on a deal. Horrible bullpen and they are in the playoff hunt. Same goes for 2B..it's a black hole. It all depends on Walker's health.

2) DUDA - Rockies. Another team in the hunt. No 1B worth a crap on that roster.

3) BRUCE - Baltimore is still in a race. He's a great fit there.

There's not much else there to sell off. Cabrera and Reyes won't get them squat.

I don't know enough about prospects to figure out who they can get back, but I have found good destinations.
Selling off assests is the one area in which Sandy excels  
Vanzetti : 6/21/2017 1:36 pm : link
overall, he is a very mediocre GM, who is stuck in the past with an antiquated philosophy.

But he is the best negotiator in the game--probably because he is a Harvard lawyer.

Sandy is a smart guy so let's hope the last two disastrous off seasons are a wakeup call that the Mets have to change their approach. There are no more Omar prospects to live off
When they do start  
Rflairr : 6/21/2017 8:35 pm : link
They need to get some young bullpen arms for some of these vets
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