NFT: NHL Expansion Draft Day Thread

30 thoughts. Hossa might retire due to an allergy to his hockey equipment, which he receives meds for. He's got a front loaded contract, so he'd only be leaving 6% of the contract on the table if he walks away from the last 4 years. Could go LTIR instead.

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I thought the Rangers would do something to protect Antti Raanta, but the information does not point in that direction.

Ultimately, I think the prices Vegas is getting dont make sense for the Rangers to have made a trade on. Only guy I'd be really broken up about is Lindberg, due to position.
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The Hossa situation described in that opening sounds pretty strange. Might be forced to retire because of an allergy to his equipment?

The kicker is he's already been paid 94% of his huge contract, but with several seasons remaining. Hawks would be hit with cap re-capture penalties through 2021 if he retires, but if he goes on LTIR they wouldn't and he also wouldn't count against the cap. Which would provide a huge break to Chicago. Interesting

Agreed on Lindberg, but I'd also really hate to lose Grabner. I know he's not necessarily a long term piece for this team. But if we have designs on trying to contend next season, that's a huge piece to lose. His speed made such a difference.

If Fast really isn't an option because of his injury, then I'm hoping it's Raanta that goes. We've shown an ability to pick from the scrap heap of goalies and let Benoit Allaire fix them up into quality back-ups.

If he goes on LTIR that contract turns into an asset immediately. It's a zero cash cap hit that will help a team hit the cap floor.

I hate to be such a cynic when it comes to a player's health situation, but this one sounds a little rich.

sent out tweets this morning with what he's hearing the Vegas deals may be:

-ANA: The belief is VGK will claim Clayton Stoner, pass on Manson/Vatanen and, in return for all that, get Shea Theodore.

-CHI: As Frank Seravalli reported a while back net result would be VGK getting Trevor van Riemsdyk and taking on Marcus Krueger.

-CLB: The jackets are believed to be trading this year's 1st Round Pick and a prospect (not Pierre-Luc Dubois or Sonny Milano) to VGK for assurances that either Matt Calvert, William Karlsson or Ryan Murray are selected.

-FLA: It has been suggested that FLA's deal with VGK may actually be for Vegas to end up acquiring both Marchessault and Rielly Smith (also exposed). Lately, there's been chatter that VGK have been talking about "secondary" expansion draft trades involving Marchessault/Smith.

-MIN: Next up, MIN. Looks like RFA Erik Haula is VGK bound with new contract, along with a prospect.

-NYI: Islanders will send their 1st Round Pick to VGK to select a designated player off the Isles' unprotected list. The deal likely also includes Mikhail Grabovski going to VGK.

-PIT: Pit will send draft pick to VGK to ensure new home for M-A Fleury.

-TB: "Hearing" VGK may take Garrison contract from TB. No details beyond that; not yet sure on incentive or anything firm, TBH.

but if there is any discretion, I could see the league denying it. This isnt necessarily like a concussion or degraded knee that will keep a player from playing again.

If there has been no change to his condition, and he's just now looking to stop taking his meds, the league might blow off Chicago. League could take a dim view of Hossa walking away from the crappy pay years of his contract while getting Chicago out of 16-20 million in cap hits for a disfavored (and now prohibited) contract type.

In comment 13505800 bigbluehoya said:

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If he goes on LTIR that contract turns into an asset immediately. It's a zero cash cap hit that will help a team hit the cap floor. I hate to be such a cynic when it comes to a player's health situation, but this one sounds a little rich.

Agreed, I posted earlier on the other thread, if this is Kane, I gotta think Chicago figures out a way to get him into equipment that doesn't cause an allergic reaction.

the league may also see an opportunity to get a marquee franchise in Chicago - that appears to be on a downward trend - turned around. And let it happen. Wouldn't surprise me

agree losing Lindberg is the only piece I'd be annoyed over, due to position and imo highest upside.

of an allergy to equipment, but it sounds serious, not a gimmick to get rid of his salary.

thought maybe MRSA or something like that at first, but doesn't seem like it. or who knows it could be made up to get the b'hawks out of a contract.

I will say though the way some of the equipment smells in beer league hockey I'm surprised no one has had this allergy there. I threw my equipment in my pool a few years ago to try and help the smell and that's the only time in 20+ years it's touched water or cleaning materials. I usually get my own corner of the locker room b/c my equipment smells so bad. It's kind of a pride thing at this point.

sucks if either gone, as they were among the few bright spots in the last weeks of the Rangers' season.

Aside from Raanta's effectiveness in net, he was a team guy through and through, and it was clear Henrik saw him only as an asset and supporter.

Kyle, Fast's injury is ? Didn't see that.

- VGK to have some players in the house tonight and intro them; these are likely the players staying on as Knights.

- There will be subsequent trades from VGK from players they've selected, so the dust won't settle tonight. As jv mentioned above, some secondary trades post-selection are already in the works.

- NHL trade moratorium lifted tomorrow (Thurs) at 8AM, so there will definitely be trades back on track for the non-VGK teams transpiring prior to Friday's draft.

In comment 13505810 Kyle in NY said:

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the league may also see an opportunity to get a marquee franchise in Chicago - that appears to be on a downward trend - turned around. And let it happen. Wouldn't surprise me

They were just the #1 seed in the Western conference and number 3 seed overall in the NHL. It wouldnt surprise me if the league looks the other way - because that's what this group of "leaders" do, but the situation reeks and should not get Chicago out of cap hell.

They're replaceable but not as easy you'd think.

Grabner would suck but he's only signed for one more year and I think last year was a bit of a fluke.

If the Knights pick Raanta, I think it's to trade him. I think they will go forward with MAF and Mrazek. It would still suck to lose potential trade bait in Raanta.

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In comment 13505810 Kyle in NY said: Quote: the league may also see an opportunity to get a marquee franchise in Chicago - that appears to be on a downward trend - turned around. And let it happen. Wouldn't surprise me They were just the #1 seed in the Western conference and number 3 seed overall in the NHL. It wouldnt surprise me if the league looks the other way - because that's what this group of "leaders" do, but the situation reeks and should not get Chicago out of cap hell.

Obviously they were still a good team. But if I remember correctly they had a lot of 3-on-3 wins which propped up their record a bit. Their goal differential was 7th in the league. And Nashville really exposed them.

But they're so cap strapped that there are very few avenues for them to improve. The Seabrook contract is brutal. And Panarin will be a UFA in two more seasons. They seem destined to become a solid playoff team, but one that can't match up to what they used to be.

But this Hossa thing would be a game changer.

Hip surgery for Fast. I believe he's out 5-6 months from the surgery in May. Not that LVK couldn't still take him. But there doesn't appear to be much smoke there

next year.

It all depends on the health of his legs. If you look at his yearly stats, you can pinpoint when he wasn't 100%. Really only 2 years where he was healthy.

There's a reason he's been with so many teams.

You should hope that he goes over Lindberg or Fast.

will lose a guy that will hurt the team. Yeah, Grabner was great last season, but that's an anomaly. He's not scoring 27 goals next season. Raanta can be a #1 goalie for a lot of teams, but we're talking about the backup on the Rangers. There are plenty of backup goalies out there that can play 20 or so games a year. Lindberg has potential, but what they'd be losing is a fourth line center. It's not like they'd be devastated by losing a fourth line center. Fast is another fourth liner. Good defensively. Putrid offensively.

So no matter who Vegas picks, it's not worth getting upset over.

to Vegas or other, he's one piece they seem willing to let go albeit preferably with an asset in return, of course.

thanks for the info, wow, young kid to be having that.

Gman11, it's true Grabner's scoring this season was probably an outlier and not indicative of his offensive threat going forward, but his presence on the ice was a threat that opened up play for his teammates, and of course on the PK he was effective as well. Rangers didn't have that kind of speed elsewhere and he softened the loss of Hagelin.

I'm not saying that losing any of those 4 is no big deal. It's just that we're talking third/fourth liners and a backup goalie. Yes, the Rangers signed Grabner for his PK duties. The scoring was a bonus. Still, I think they can find somebody to make up for his loss if he's picked.

entry draft some GM's say there are about 10 - 12 legit first rounders.

If I'm Vegas I'm looking more for 2018 and beyond picks.

Rumor is MTL gave them a 2nd to keep Hudon, but sounds sketchy to me to give up a 2nd to keep a 5th round pick from 4 years ago, who has done ok, but hasn't exactly lit up the AHL.

What do you think MTL is willing to pay to unload the Plekanec contract?

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What do you think MTL is willing to pay to unload the Plekanec contract?

A 2nd round pick. The rumor was LV would take Plekanec over Hudon and Davidson for the 2nd round pick.

Plekanec movement makes re-signing Radulov and Markov possible and if that happens almost 100% they'll trade Galchenyuk IMO.

Own. The Islanders were wise to give a first to keep Strome, but I don't think a lot of these guys are good enough to pony up for.

In comment 13505918 BrettNYG10 said:

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Own. The Islanders were wise to give a first to keep Strome, but I don't think a lot of these guys are good enough to pony up for.

I agree, but the Strome protection is purely on hope. He hasn't produced anywhere NEAR first round levels yet... well, HOPEFULLY yet.

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But he's still a valuable player whether he's scoring that way or not.

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In comment 13505918 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: Own. The Islanders were wise to give a first to keep Strome, but I don't think a lot of these guys are good enough to pony up for. I agree, but the Strome protection is purely on hope. He hasn't produced anywhere NEAR first round levels yet... well, HOPEFULLY yet.

His 14/15 season was incredible. I thought he was going to be a 60/70 point guy.

In comment 13505924 BrettNYG10 said:

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He's an RFA former 1st round pick. They didn't want to pay him. He's not under contract and he'll want more money than he's worth.

I liked him and think his struggles, like Galchenyuk's if you can call Galchenyuk's career so far a struggle, are due to system, not talent.

Beaulieu will thrive in Buffalo and Galchenyuk will thrive wherever he winds up.

In comment 13505930 BrettNYG10 said:

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In comment 13505921 feelflows said: Quote: In comment 13505918 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: Own. The Islanders were wise to give a first to keep Strome, but I don't think a lot of these guys are good enough to pony up for. I agree, but the Strome protection is purely on hope. He hasn't produced anywhere NEAR first round levels yet... well, HOPEFULLY yet. His 14/15 season was incredible. I thought he was going to be a 60/70 point guy.

Yah. maybe weight and company can get him right. who knows.

Do you agree about Grabner? He's a crapshoot.. you KNOW what you have with him, which is..you never know what you're gonna get with him.

Stick with Lindberg and Fast (or hope that LV thinks that way).

Were due at 10am. I bet at least some of them will leak out during the day.

I'd expect Raanta and Mrazek. No?

And if I'm the Rangers that's the best possible outcome.

I know some of you don't want to lose Raanta, and this is my own personal bias, but a 28 year old career backup goalie being lost over forwards like Fast or Lindberg is a win.

Rangers have some good young goalies if I were a fan I'd rather begin transitioning to from Hank (even with Hank's 4 years left)

In comment 13505956 pjcas18 said:

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I'd expect Raanta and Mrazek. No? And if I'm the Rangers that's the best possible outcome. I know some of you don't want to lose Raanta, and this is my own personal bias, but a 28 year old career backup goalie being lost over forwards like Fast or Lindberg is a win. Rangers have some good young goalies if I were a fan I'd rather begin transitioning to from Hank (even with Hank's 4 years left)

NO MAF? I thought Pitt was sending a pick TO LV to ensure they pick him.

No?

That was my understanding as well.

Though I'd just as soon not have Pit wiggle out from that situation cheaply.

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That was my understanding as well. Though I'd just as soon not have Pit wiggle out from that situation cheaply.

well, best case scenario for you guys is that they take Raanta.

When is Shestyorkin due to come over??

PIT was sending a pick to LV so they don't take MAF and PIT can control where MAF ends up.

Did I read that wrong?

they are horrendous

In comment 13505982 pjcas18 said:

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PIT was sending a pick to LV so they don't take MAF and PIT can control where MAF ends up. Did I read that wrong?

I thought Pitt was sending the pick so that they DO take MAF instead of other players so that they could clear cap space.

are Fleury will stay with Vegas. I think you just misread that McKenzie tweet. It can definitely be interpreted that way. But no he's going to apparently be the "face" of their franchise

makes sense. Still could take Raanta, I'd prefer him over Mrazek.

In comment 13505983 gtt350 said:

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Situation as being too related to the MAF situation for LV, even if that sounds odd.

I think with 1 year to UFA and a low current salary, Raanta never made a ton sense as a piece for LV to keep (doesn't help reach cap floor, and only 1 year of control). Of course, if they had huge conviction in the player they could select and extend him with enough money that he couldn't say no. But I think Raanta's value to LV was always as a trade chip.

To me, it comes down to whether LV wants a second round pick or Lindberg.

It's a toss-up, but I think they select and trade Raanta.

Feels - no idea on Shest. I don't think NYR or Shest are rushing to get him over here to sit behind Hank. He needs to play.

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In comment 13505983 gtt350 said: Quote: they are horrendous

shit.. I have bad fashion sense in general, but I like these.

I also love the new MN look.

isn't the first player to have this or something like it, sounds awful

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...It started as a small rash the size of a quarter on his bicep, and it just kept getting bigger. And itchier. And bloodier. Eventually, the rash spread to Minnesota North Stars defenseman Tom Reid�s entire torso, up to the top of his chest...... He broke back scratchers trying to ease the itch. He wrapped himself in towels so the blood and pus wouldn�t ruin his clothes. He tried changing equipment. He tried lining his equipment with towels. He tried slathering himself in a thick layer of cream before putting on his gear. He tried changing his undergarments after warmups, and between every period. He tried squirting himself with cold water under his equipment between shifts. He tried bringing his equipment home with him every night rather than leave it festering in the locker room. He spent seven to 10 days at a time at the Marshfield Clinic in Wisconsin between games. He received steroid shots and cortisone shots. Nothing could stop �The Gunk,� as it was known in the 1970s. And eventually, when the coaching staff called for two-a-day practices for his lousy team, Reid � an 11-year veteran and former Blackhawks defenseman � knew his playing days were over.....

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In comment 13505991 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 13505983 gtt350 said: Quote: they are horrendous shit.. I have bad fashion sense in general, but I like these. I also love the new MN look.

Wild easily the best re-design, Oilers second.

Friedman:

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Now hearing Capuano may be going elsewhere. Audible at the line, I guess.

C'mon, Rangers. You know he and AV would be unstoppable. Make it happen.

the 2018 entry draft will be Las Vegas picking and about 3 other teams (at least the first 2 rds) lol

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In comment 13505983 gtt350 said: Quote: they are horrendous

It's like the generic jersey from a video game that could license NHL rights.

Southwest Airlines pilot has tweeted that MAF is aboard a flight to Vegas.

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the 2018 entry draft will be Las Vegas picking and about 3 other teams (at least the first 2 rds) lol

Yeah, I said they're going to accumulate all the first and second round picks in 2018.

slight exaggeration, but I could see them with a legit 10 picks in the first few rounds.

Fleury and either Raanta/Mrazek will be better than many teams in the league. I am surprised that they took a pick over the chances to select Vatanen who would be a top pairing defenseman for them and they could have probably flipped him for more. Perhaps it is a way for their new front office to form strong relationships with other teams.

Rangers open at home vs. Colorado on October 5
Isles open in Columbus on October 6

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Rangers open at home vs. Colorado on October 5 Isles open in Columbus on October 6

Isles home opener (Saturday) October 7 at 7PM vs Buffalo. Love the home opener being on a Saturday night. I'm moving to North Carolina next week but am planning on making it back up for the opener.

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In comment 13506301 Mike in Long Beach said: Quote: Rangers open at home vs. Colorado on October 5 Isles open in Columbus on October 6 Isles home opener (Saturday) October 7 at 7PM vs Buffalo. Love the home opener being on a Saturday night. I'm moving to North Carolina next week but am planning on making it back up for the opener.

congrats! what part of NC? Raleigh? Able to catch some Hurricane games?

I'm moving to Charlotte. I think Raleigh is a less than three hour drive from CHA, so I'll at least go to one NYI vs CAR game each year.

Not being able to go to Isles or Mets game on a whim is going to hurt a little bit...

In comment 13506271 Jay on the Island said:

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Fleury and either Raanta/Mrazek will be better than many teams in the league. I am surprised that they took a pick over the chances to select Vatanen who would be a top pairing defenseman for them and they could have probably flipped him for more. Perhaps it is a way for their new front office to form strong relationships with other teams.

Vatanen surprised me too. I'm not a fan of their goalie situation. I've never been a MAF fan (as he has three rings on his fingers) and backups are backups. Raanta I like (as backup) not a fan of Mrazek.

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I'm moving to North Carolina next week

We never discussed this. Not happy, bro.

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I'm moving to Charlotte. I think Raleigh is a less than three hour drive from CHA, so I'll at least go to one NYI vs CAR game each year. Not being able to go to Isles or Mets game on a whim is going to hurt a little bit...

awesome..we'll hook up for a Mets/Isles game at a restaurant. I can clue you into the best places.

I frequent the Huntersville/Mooresville area. We can get the games on at Red Rock or Duckworth's anytime!!!

I think Vegas could have done better picking Staal/Dumba and Vatenan/Manson and flipping them than taking what was offered.

I like Mrazek. Think DET is being dumb.

In comment 13506338 BrettNYG10 said:

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I think Vegas could have done better picking Staal/Dumba and Vatenan/Manson and flipping them than taking what was offered.

I think this is a difficult game to play -- I'm guessing that ANA and MIN agreed to the terms with LV before the protection list due date, and if they had not come to an agreement, MIN and ANA would have protection lists (and possibly rosters) that look different than they do right now.

In comment 13506338 BrettNYG10 said:

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I think Vegas could have done better picking Staal/Dumba and Vatenan/Manson and flipping them than taking what was offered. I like Mrazek. Think DET is being dumb.

Mrazek was brutal last year. Was there a worse goalie with more than 40 starts? You think that was an anomaly?

Jimmy Howard, who I'm also not a fan of, clearly outplayed Mrazek.

In comment 13506341 pjcas18 said:

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Quote: Jim Toth‏Verified account @JimTothSports Source tells me #Winnipeg's & now former #Stars forward Cody Eakin is a Las Vegas #GoldenKnights #NHLExpansionDraft #NHL

solid 3rd line center on a good team. was not very good last year, but usually hits mid 30s in points. nothing to write home about.

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In comment 13506341 pjcas18 said: Quote: Quote: Jim Toth‏Verified account @JimTothSports Source tells me #Winnipeg's & now former #Stars forward Cody Eakin is a Las Vegas #GoldenKnights #NHLExpansionDraft #NHL solid 3rd line center on a good team. was not very good last year, but usually hits mid 30s in points. nothing to write home about.

yep, cross Dallas off the list now that you know who their player is.

but he is only 25 and he played very well the previous two seasons. Why not take a chance on him?

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In comment 13506312 Metnut said: Quote: I'm moving to Charlotte. I think Raleigh is a less than three hour drive from CHA, so I'll at least go to one NYI vs CAR game each year. Not being able to go to Isles or Mets game on a whim is going to hurt a little bit... awesome..we'll hook up for a Mets/Isles game at a restaurant. I can clue you into the best places. I frequent the Huntersville/Mooresville area. We can get the games on at Red Rock or Duckworth's anytime!!!

That sounds like a plan!

In comment 13506334 Mike in Long Beach said:

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Quote: I'm moving to North Carolina next week We never discussed this. Not happy, bro.

It came together pretty fast. I still expect to be in NY a half dozen or so times a year though.

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but he is only 25 and he played very well the previous two seasons. Why not take a chance on him?

no reason. as a backup they could do worse.

I am just not a fan of his, but goalies do have off years so who knows.

I'd pick MAF and Raanta easily before Mrazek - unless those teams had better other options.

and I still don't think MAF/Raanta or MAF/Mrazek is that great of a goalie duo.

I think this Vegas team is going to be near record setting for how bad they are.

Eric Haula from the Wild. They must have worked out a deal for Vegas to pass on Dumba.

I think Vegas will be by far the worst team in the league especially since they won't be selecting guys like Vatanen and Dumba in exchange for picks.

In exchange for the Golden Knights choosing Haula in expansion and steering clear of, among others, defensemen Matt Dumba and Marco Scandella and center Eric Staal, the Wild has agreed to trade prospect Alex Tuch and a conditional future draft pick to Vegas, sources say.
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hoya, that's fair.

pj: Yeah, I think last year was an anomaly for him. I also think one is a declining asset and one's an ascending one. It just strikes me as awful asset management.

I would have passed on MAF and selected Mrazek and Raanta.

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Rangers open at home vs. Colorado on October 5 Isles open in Columbus on October 6

If you scroll down that release it tells you the Rangers first two games:

Thu 10/5 vs Colorado
Sat 10.7 @ Toronto

Looks like islanders open on the road in Columbus on Friday night

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I'm moving to Charlotte. I think Raleigh is a less than three hour drive from CHA, so I'll at least go to one NYI vs CAR game each year. Not being able to go to Isles or Mets game on a whim is going to hurt a little bit...

Congrats!!

It's on HF Boards and Twitter. Not sure the veracity

But not sure if VGK keeps him or flips him.

As shared with some of the Isles guys here, Staple tweets the Islander being selected tonight did NOT see regular NHL time last season. Unless it's Halak, which I sincerely doubt, that leaves us really with Prince and Mayfield. Sounds like it should be one of the two of them.

Lastly on why Mrazek is being exposed, I've read on the Wingin' It In Motown blog several times that Mrazek's attitude pisses the Wings organization off. Yes, goalies are weird, but he purportedly mouths off a lot, shows lack of interest, disparages teammates and tends to be a bit too cocky. They don't sound upset to lose him.

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It's on HF Boards and Twitter. Not sure the veracity

Fake news.

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As shared with some of the Isles guys here, Staple tweets the Islander being selected tonight did NOT see regular NHL time last season. Unless it's Halak, which I sincerely doubt, that leaves us really with Prince and Mayfield. Sounds like it should be one of the two of them.

Out of the two I'd rather lose Prince but with the rumors that they're taking a ton of defense I'd assume Mayfield

will reportedly add Montreal�s Alexei Emelin to go along with Methot. Both are rumored to be trade possibilities once acquired. I have to with the exception of passing on Vatanen for a pick I think Vegas is doing a great job so far loading up on picks to build up their farm system. They will be the worst team in the league and they will have a great shot at the #1 overall pick next year plus the bounty of picks they have and will acquire.

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Twitter's the fucking worst

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will reportedly add Montreal�s Alexei Emelin to go along with Methot. Both are rumored to be trade possibilities once acquired. I have to with the exception of passing on Vatanen for a pick I think Vegas is doing a great job so far loading up on picks to build up their farm system. They will be the worst team in the league and they will have a great shot at the #1 overall pick next year plus the bounty of picks they have and will acquire.

Hopefully the Canadiens didn't have to compensate LV in any way to take Emelin. He's a top 4 D on most teams and a valuable trade asset. Only 1 year left under contract at a reasonable $4.1M cap hit, but sometimes that's better than being tied up long-term.

but Fleury staying in Pitt would mess up Pitts cap I think. Therefore McPhee can stick it to Pitts plans by not taking him.
Also noticed on NHL Net that Grubauer and Mrzack (sp?) are top choices for LV.

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Hearing Tomas Nosek most likely to be picked by Vegas from Red Wings list.

I feel like the scene from the movie major league.

Granted I am not an expert in NHL rosters...

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Board Member #1: I've never heard of half of these guys and the ones I do know are way past their prime. Charlie: Most of these guys never had a prime. Rachel Phelps: The facts are, we lost our two best players to free agency. We haven't won a pennant in over thirty-five years, we haven't placed higher than 4th in the last fifteen. Obviously, it's time for some changes. Board Member #2: This guy here is dead. Rachel Phelps: [obviously...] Cross him off, then.

Love those scenes.

"I never heard of these guys....Mitchell Freeman???"

will becoming more frequently soon.

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John Shannon‏Verified account @JSportsnet 19s20 seconds ago The 30 teams have been informed which player they are losing to Vegas.All are in the process of informing those players of their selection.

Has changed his story again? Why should we even believe he knows anything? Gets us excited that $9 mill is coming off to ok maybe not $9 million but hickey or halak so still a good amount to now just grabovskis contract and a guy who barely plays. Can Art change his story 1 more time before the player actually leaks out?

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Replying to @NHLnumbers @frank_seravalli Here's what I have now with recent updates. Have to assume some players (Methot) will be flipped.

Reporting that Vegas HAS NOT selected Raanta....

Of course most of the veterans will likely be packaged. Great job by Toronto in getting Vegas to take Clarkson's terrible contract.

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Quote: Bob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie 2m2 minutes ago Bob McKenzie Retweeted Arthur Staple I'm hearing it's goaltender J-F Berube, as part of the larger deal between NYI and VGK:

Hahahaha Garth talked his buddy imto taking a piece of shit player. Or they both just love JFB

not Toronto

That he believes Lindberg has been selected by Vegas.

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In comment 13506580 KWhite2250 said:

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In comment 13506574 pjcas18 said: Quote: Quote: Bob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie 2m2 minutes ago Bob McKenzie Retweeted Arthur Staple I'm hearing it's goaltender J-F Berube, as part of the larger deal between NYI and VGK: Hahahaha Garth talked his buddy imto taking a piece of shit player. Or they both just love JFB

He was clearly good enough to warrant a bench spot most of the year, why wouldn't Vegas want him as their 3rd goalie? /s

pick in a weak draft was a fair price to pay to avoid losing anyone in the expansion draft and dumping a bad contract.

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In comment 13506574 pjcas18 said: Quote: Quote: Bob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie 2m2 minutes ago Bob McKenzie Retweeted Arthur Staple I'm hearing it's goaltender J-F Berube, as part of the larger deal between NYI and VGK: Hahahaha Garth talked his buddy imto taking a piece of shit player. Or they both just love JFB

If true, Berube is perfect in LV. He resembles a slot machine with the amount of times a red light and siren goes off when he is in net,

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That he believes Lindberg has been selected by Vegas.

Not a surprise. I continue to be baffled why we bought out Girardi last week only to protect Nick fuckin' Holden out of it.

His relationship with McPhee should be investigated after that. They could've taken guys like prince or mayfield and still been better off. Now lets see Garth get us some players in trades.

Have been needing a break for a loooooong time. It's time!!!!

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Chris Johnston‏Verified account @reporterchris 23s23 seconds ago Bill Foley says Vegas signed two restricted free agents during their exclusive negotiating period.

I wonder who they are.

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Have been needing a break for a loooooong time. It's time!!!!

If this is true we went from being the most mocked team with the draft, rightfully so (Pelech?!) to probably the team that maneuvered this the best.

Again, the caveat being IF TRUE.

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Quote: Chris Johnston‏Verified account @reporterchris 23s23 seconds ago Bill Foley says Vegas signed two restricted free agents during their exclusive negotiating period. I wonder who they are.

I assume the teams those players are on still get to match?

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In comment 13506607 pjcas18 said: Quote: Quote: Chris Johnston‏Verified account @reporterchris 23s23 seconds ago Bill Foley says Vegas signed two restricted free agents during their exclusive negotiating period. I wonder who they are. I assume the teams those players are on still get to match?

Yeah. Still interesting, players like Galchenyuk are RFA's, I think LV is in a position to force a lot of hands and maybe that's the way they can get competitive. But I don't know how NHL RFA's work - if it's like NFL and no poison pills and in general.

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In comment 13506614 JayBinQueens said: Quote: In comment 13506607 pjcas18 said: Quote: Quote: Chris Johnston‏Verified account @reporterchris 23s23 seconds ago Bill Foley says Vegas signed two restricted free agents during their exclusive negotiating period. I wonder who they are. I assume the teams those players are on still get to match? Yeah. Still interesting, players like Galchenyuk are RFA's, I think LV is in a position to force a lot of hands and maybe that's the way they can get competitive. But I don't know how NHL RFA's work - if it's like NFL and no poison pills and in general.

I interpreted this to mean that they agreed to terms with 2 of the RFAs that were left unprotected by their teams, so that they would select these players in the ED and sign them to new deals already owning their RFA rights. Not offer sheets.

So Haula and possibly Lindberg.

how it works but I think that the compensation if you sign a team's RFA can be reallly steep.

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In comment 13506618 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 13506614 JayBinQueens said: Quote: In comment 13506607 pjcas18 said: Quote: Quote: Chris Johnston‏Verified account @reporterchris 23s23 seconds ago Bill Foley says Vegas signed two restricted free agents during their exclusive negotiating period. I wonder who they are. I assume the teams those players are on still get to match? Yeah. Still interesting, players like Galchenyuk are RFA's, I think LV is in a position to force a lot of hands and maybe that's the way they can get competitive. But I don't know how NHL RFA's work - if it's like NFL and no poison pills and in general. I interpreted this to mean that they agreed to terms with 2 of the RFAs that were left unprotected by their teams, so that they would select these players in the ED and sign them to new deals already owning their RFA rights. Not offer sheets. So Haula and possibly Lindberg.

Ah, so if they sign an RFA from a team it would count as the player taken

Any RFAs that were not protected by their teams were eligible for the ED.

If LV selects them in the ED, they get their RFA rights; but no guarantee that the player will sign/agree. If the player then signed elsewhere via offer sheet, LB would have the right to match or receive the compensation.

Sounds like LV used their early window to negotiate with some of the unprotected RFAs so that they could agree to terms and know the cost before using their expansion slot to select the player.

what this means, but I don't think I like it.

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unless they move Miller to center.

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Any RFAs that were not protected by their teams were eligible for the ED. If LV selects them in the ED, they get their RFA rights; but no guarantee that the player will sign/agree. If the player then signed elsewhere via offer sheet, LB would have the right to match or receive the compensation. Sounds like LV used their early window to negotiate with some of the unprotected RFAs so that they could agree to terms and know the cost before using their expansion slot to select the player.

Makes sense. Thanks

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John Shannon‏Verified account @JSportsnet 6m6 minutes ago Sounds like Deryk Engelland is the Calgary Flames player going to Vegas. He's a UFA ON July 1.

Sounds like a goon.

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Elliotte Friedman‏Verified account @FriedgeHNIC 2m2 minutes ago Hear CLB player is indeed William Karlsson. FLA appears to be Jonathan Marchessault. LV has also apparently acquired a haul of draft picks.

I'd love to get Marchessault from them.

Engelland?

I'm surprised, I'm pretty sure he's been around for a while. You are correct that he's a goon.

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Engelland? I'm surprised, I'm pretty sure he's been around for a while. You are correct that he's a goon.

I don't recognize his name. Maybe if I saw him, but hard to believe that's who they pick from Calgary and without a draft pick or other compensation, not that the Flames unprotected list was great, but there had to be someone better than a 35 year old UFA goon defenseman.

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In comment 13506589 jv said: Quote: That he believes Lindberg has been selected by Vegas. Not a surprise. I continue to be baffled why we bought out Girardi last week only to protect Nick fuckin' Holden out of it.

I don't think they would have taken Holden over Lindberg unless we sweetened the deal. Which we did not show a desire to do. They just had to watch the playoffs to know which was the better asset

Gotta think this means Stepan is staying. Unless they move JT back to center

Because I'd much rather see the 4th line C come from within than going out and paying some sled good money for 9 minutes at most a night.

from hockeystatminer

MTL is Emelin and here is SJ speculation:

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the entire awards show at this rate.

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What could it be? It would have to be a player vegas is selecting coming back because we cant trade 2 players to vegas. Will wait for revision #9

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Just to hang onto a backup goalie?

WTF?

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Just to hang onto a backup goalie? WTF?

I'm nearly 100% sure that's an inaccuracy in the graphic, probably based on the fake news tweet that was promulgated earlier.

He goes back to Shero's days in Pitt.

Possible NYR 1st?

This couldn't have gone worse from a NYR perspective.

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I was thinking the same thing. Adding Neal, Nolan Patrick, plus adding a defenseman or two via free agency would make the Devils a legitimate playoff team.

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Arthur Staple‏Verified account @StapeNewsday 6m6 minutes ago Now I'm hearing there's another element to this #Isles deal with Vegas... We'll see in a few hours what it is. What could it be? It would have to be a player vegas is selecting coming back because we cant trade 2 players to vegas. Will wait for revision #9

Can be a pick, perhaps a future consideration like a #2-3 next year. Or, if your scenario, if we got something back (I'm also drooling over Marchessault), we'd have to give something up in return. Could be a player (Prince?) or a prospect (MDC?).

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In comment 13506589 jv said: Quote: That he believes Lindberg has been selected by Vegas. Not a surprise. I continue to be baffled why we bought out Girardi last week only to protect Nick fuckin' Holden out of it.

I think we had to protect Holden.. it has something to do with certain protection slots. I don't think Gorton protected him because he didn't want to lose him.

my half decade man crush on the promise of Lindberg as our new Nemchinov is over. LVK took the right player.

My plan would be to trade Raanta now, acquire a lesser backup via UFA or a trade, and promote Boo. Sign a 13th forward or AHL forward with some center experience, but understand that if Boo fails you may need to make a small trade for a center.

Consider moving Grabner if the price is right. Fast probably cant be traded because of the hip, but be careful about over committing to a 4th liner. Hrivik can do the job for less if need be.

But I would have preferred to keep Lindberg.

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Just a reminder, the Hawks can't put Hossa on LTI until Day 2 of the regular season, have to carry him on the cap opening day. Sure, once they put him on LTI in October they gave (sic - should be "have to") replace his $5.275-million salary, but where do you find that player in October? Plus there's the fact that having a player on LTI right from the start of the season means Hawks won't accrue any cap space as year goes on which is a serious impediment come the trade deadline, not being able to accrue any cap savings. Again, the system isn't set up for a team to just go out and replace that salary right away this summer. Doesn't work that way. No question it will affect what the Hawks had thought of doing the next week or two on the trade market in my mind.

I think Lindberg definitely showed some flashes late this season especially - it's disappointing to lose him but I think where it hurts the most is that it makes it harder to move Stepan. So, in that regard it definitely limits our options AND takes a good player off our roster.

Fuckin' Vegas...

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I think Miller is better suited as a winger, personally. But it depends what our roster looks like as we get closer to the season. I could see there being a case to move him back to pivot if it lets us ice more optimal personnel.

All things being equal, I'd prefer him on the wing though.

In comment 13506748 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 13506596 MetsAreBack said: Quote: In comment 13506589 jv said: Quote: That he believes Lindberg has been selected by Vegas. Not a surprise. I continue to be baffled why we bought out Girardi last week only to protect Nick fuckin' Holden out of it. I think we had to protect Holden.. it has something to do with certain protection slots. I don't think Gorton protected him because he didn't want to lose him.

Yes, we needed to protect 3 defenseman. But the only reason to let Girardi walk now as a free agent versus doing it later this summer, was to free up that third slot for someone actually worth protecting tonight.

Instead we chose to lose Lindberg for nothing instead of working a trade of one of our 7 protected forwards (or Lindberg himself plus maybe another forward) for a 3rd D-man worth protecting. We essentially wasted a protection slot. And Dumba apparently could have been had for a late first round pick (since he was left unprotected and Vegas took fairly minimal compensation in return to not draft him).

My fear is this organization actually looked at Holden's points this past season and sees him as a good fit on this roster. I know it sounds crazy to us, but tell me why we should gain comfort with how this organization has evaluated defensemen for some time now?

After loving Gorton's work last offseason, this one really baffles me... almost as much as Hagelin two years ago (and fucking up the Talbot trade).

MAB, I think there are some weird rules related to buyouts that may have played a role in Girardi being bought out now instead of in the second window. I'm a bit unclear on it, though.

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From Pierre LeBrun's twitter: Quote: Just a reminder, the Hawks can't put Hossa on LTI until Day 2 of the regular season, have to carry him on the cap opening day. Sure, once they put him on LTI in October they gave (sic - should be "have to") replace his $5.275-million salary, but where do you find that player in October? Plus there's the fact that having a player on LTI right from the start of the season means Hawks won't accrue any cap space as year goes on which is a serious impediment come the trade deadline, not being able to accrue any cap savings. Again, the system isn't set up for a team to just go out and replace that salary right away this summer. Doesn't work that way. No question it will affect what the Hawks had thought of doing the next week or two on the trade market in my mind.

More i think about it the more its bullshit. There are too many get out of jail free cards with some of these veteran contracts. why should a LTIR get a team off the hook anymore than a player that all of a sudden sucks and the team wants to send him down or cut him?? Both may or may not have been predictable, but it makes no sense that one gets you out of jail and the other doesnt. Injuries are part of the sport - you should think about that before offering 10 year deals (ask Islander fans - Dipietro)

They should probably consider limiting the length on contracts moving forward. Its pretty obvious both Hossa and the Hawks aren't motivated to get him back quickly on the ice. And the timing coming right before tonight's draft and ahead of free agency seems too convenient too.

Also - yeah, it totally sucks losing Lindberg for nothing, but the Rangers fared better than a lot of other teams, IMO. FL/NAS definitely fared worse. I'd argue any team that gave up a first to protect someone fared worse even if that was the right move for that franchise.

LV is going to have to unload some D.

I'd also like to hear how this happened.

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MAB, I think there are some weird rules related to buyouts that may have played a role in Girardi being bought out now instead of in the second window. I'm a bit unclear on it, though.

Yeah I think it's this but I'm not 100% sure either.

If our FO wasn't able to distinguish how much of a liability Holden was in our zone, I think we have some serious evaluation issues up top.

If it's true that we could have simply waited on Girardi and arranged our protection slots differently to produce a more favorable outcome, I'll be pissed. I'm just not totally clear on all the ins and outs of the expansion draft rules, etc.

It was my understanding that we basically had to protect Holden the way it was structured or we'd lose a slot and it would be just as crappy but I could be wrong.

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Yes, we needed to protect 3 defenseman. But the only reason to let Girardi walk now as a free agent versus doing it later this summer, was to free up that third slot for someone actually worth protecting tonight. Instead we chose to lose Lindberg for nothing instead of working a trade of one of our 7 protected forwards (or Lindberg himself plus maybe another forward) for a 3rd D-man worth protecting. We essentially wasted a protection slot. And Dumba apparently could have been had for a late first round pick (since he was left unprotected and Vegas took fairly minimal compensation in return to not draft him).

I think you're conflating two issues. We lost Lindberg because there were only two options: (1) bribe LVK, and the bribe prices were high -- were you willing to trade a #1 to protect our guys, if that's what it took? And (2) Lose one of Raanta, Fast, Lindberg, or Grabner.

Once we set down the path where we werent trading all 4, and I think that was unrealistic, it doesnt really matter that we're losing "Lindberg" for nothing. If not him, then "Raanta" for nothing or "Grabner" for nothing. The defensive slot becomes irrelevant, unless one of these 4 is extra valuable compared to the other (and I dont think any one of them is way above the others). So getting a Dumba for that slot is a bit of a red herring. It doesnt save us from losing one of these guys.

Lots of teams lost good players, and many others did the bribe. This was by design -- a more pro-expansion XD format was negotiated as part of getting a higher expansion fee. There was criticism of the last round of XDs setting up those teams so poorly that it cost them revenue.

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I say no. Too many mental lapses, and his peak moments on the wing were too promising.

Jordan Weal someone I'd look at in UFA if Stepan gets moved and Hayes slides to 2C.

Losing Lindberg isn't what I'd have liked, but that's the type of player you lose in an ED, can't shed too many tears.

I'm don't advocate trading Stepan at any cost, but I wouldn't let the loss of a Lindberg stop me from making a Stepan move if the FO has conviction.

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More i think about it the more its bullshit. There are too many get out of jail free cards with some of these veteran contracts. why should a LTIR get a team off the hook anymore than a player that all of a sudden sucks and the team wants to send him down or cut him?? Both may or may not have been predictable, but it makes no sense that one gets you out of jail and the other doesnt. Injuries are part of the sport - you should think about that before offering 10 year deals (ask Islander fans - Dipietro) They should probably consider limiting the length on contracts moving forward. Its pretty obvious both Hossa and the Hawks aren't motivated to get him back quickly on the ice. And the timing coming right before tonight's draft and ahead of free agency seems too convenient too.

Im not fully versed in the LTIR rules but they're not a get out of jail free card, so I may be wrong here. Having a player on LTIR, especially over many seasons, isnt like not having that player count at all. The player counts against you day 1 of the season. You can replace him on the roster with a player with a similar cap hit. So if Hossa makes $5 million, on day 2 you can LTIR Hossa and acquire another player who makes $5 million or less to replace Hossa. But at the beginning of the next season Hossa is back on your cap, so the guy you get better be gone or you have to find another $5 million in room to keep him.

If you dont replace Hossa on day 2, you dont start accruing cap room. That is, if you wait until the middle of the season to replace Hossa, you cant get a $10 million in player in his place -- you still only get a $5 million player (ie someone owed $2.5 the rest of the way). LTIR relief doesnt add to the cap or accrue to the next season.

It's not as helpful as it looks like, and it's largely worthless for guys who are only out a few months.

Who are these guys?

Huge cans, nose piercing, maybe even a local LV girl. Prolly worth the ride, tho.

Kathryn Tappen, however...yum.

Everything wasn't leaked already.

(Still think it's good)

And Isles fans,

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In comment 13506772 MetsAreBack said: Quote: Yes, we needed to protect 3 defenseman. But the only reason to let Girardi walk now as a free agent versus doing it later this summer, was to free up that third slot for someone actually worth protecting tonight. Instead we chose to lose Lindberg for nothing instead of working a trade of one of our 7 protected forwards (or Lindberg himself plus maybe another forward) for a 3rd D-man worth protecting. We essentially wasted a protection slot. And Dumba apparently could have been had for a late first round pick (since he was left unprotected and Vegas took fairly minimal compensation in return to not draft him). I think you're conflating two issues. We lost Lindberg because there were only two options: (1) bribe LVK, and the bribe prices were high -- were you willing to trade a #1 to protect our guys, if that's what it took? And (2) Lose one of Raanta, Fast, Lindberg, or Grabner. Once we set down the path where we werent trading all 4, and I think that was unrealistic, it doesnt really matter that we're losing "Lindberg" for nothing. If not him, then "Raanta" for nothing or "Grabner" for nothing. The defensive slot becomes irrelevant, unless one of these 4 is extra valuable compared to the other (and I dont think any one of them is way above the others). So getting a Dumba for that slot is a bit of a red herring. It doesnt save us from losing one of these guys.

I get what you are saying, but given age and go forward contracts (Raanta and Grabner if they continue to play well only have one year left on our roster, certainly at their current comps), I valued Lindberg and Fast a lot more than those two. Especially Grabner - he scored a lot of goals for us last year, but he stunk in certain other areas especially possession numbers and I'm not sure those goals are sustainable.

Really sucks to have gone into this with 9 good forwards and 2 good D (one good D + Staal who we had to protect) -- really disappointed we couldn't have traded one of those forwards to use that 3rd D slot an actually good player. And if we could have only traded one of them, then fine I guess Fast still gets exposed... and he's out through December so my guess Raanta would have been the one taken.

such a good player, too bad he's on the franchise I hate the most. 4th Selke award.

role model player for all the kids I coach.

Insane that Cosby was 10th in Selke voting too.

the one player exposed I least wanted to see moved.

Separately, I'm perplexed about Ottawa leaving Methot unprotected: I thought in the series against NYR and in the Conf'. Finals, Methot was the Sens' 2nd best d-man, can skate, can hit, good positionally.

Did I say it sucks losing Oscar?

"If our FO wasn't able to distinguish how much of a liability Holden was in our zone, I think we have some serious evaluation issues up top."

There's been strong suspicion about that around here, maybe it's not only, or even primarily, AV. naahhh

Can someone explain the Panthers rationale? I am baffled by what they did here.

I'm honestly not sure if they'll even hit 40 pts in their first season.

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Can someone explain the Panthers rationale? I am baffled by what they did here.

I think it was a cap dump. Smith is getting 5 million per

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Can someone explain the Panthers rationale? I am baffled by what they did here.

I'm trying to figure it out. I just can't. It's not computing or making any sense.

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In comment 13506862 arcarsenal said: Quote: Can someone explain the Panthers rationale? I am baffled by what they did here. I think it was a cap dump. Smith is getting 5 million per

I get that part.. but why not trade them a better pick and have them select Smith?? That way you don't lose a 30 goal scorer.

The whole thing is bizarre.

Reilly has 5 years left at 5 million per.



I wonder if Brendan Smith follows his brother....something to watch for

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Good question. Beats me. That I'm not sure about.

Fuck your French accent

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In comment 13506867 feelflows said: Quote: In comment 13506865 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 13506862 arcarsenal said: Quote: Can someone explain the Panthers rationale? I am baffled by what they did here. I think it was a cap dump. Smith is getting 5 million per I get that part.. but why not trade them a better pick and have them select Smith?? That way you don't lose a 30 goal scorer. The whole thing is bizarre. Good question. Beats me. That I'm not sure about.

it was a mistake. LV gave up a 4th round pick for Smith.. makes more sense now.

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In comment 13506870 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 13506867 feelflows said: Quote: In comment 13506865 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 13506862 arcarsenal said: Quote: Can someone explain the Panthers rationale? I am baffled by what they did here. I think it was a cap dump. Smith is getting 5 million per I get that part.. but why not trade them a better pick and have them select Smith?? That way you don't lose a 30 goal scorer. The whole thing is bizarre. Good question. Beats me. That I'm not sure about. it was a mistake. LV gave up a 4th round pick for Smith.. makes more sense now.

Okay, that makes more sense. I was like.. what the fuck is going on here?

every time I see a Denna Lang interview. The scariest thing about my kids playing and my coaching.

they're starting to put "warning tracks" around the municipal rinks in Mass. abut 3 feet off the boards I believe. Not sure if it will change anything, but it can't hurt.

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every time I see a Denna Lang interview. The scariest thing about my kids playing and my coaching. they're starting to put "warning tracks" around the municipal rinks in Mass. abut 3 feet off the boards I believe. Not sure if it will change anything, but it can't hurt.

I hear you. Every time my guys step on the ice, a small corner of my mind flashes to Travis Roy.

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In comment 13506880 pjcas18 said: Quote: every time I see a Denna Lang interview. The scariest thing about my kids playing and my coaching. they're starting to put "warning tracks" around the municipal rinks in Mass. abut 3 feet off the boards I believe. Not sure if it will change anything, but it can't hurt. I hear you. Every time my guys step on the ice, a small corner of my mind flashes to Travis Roy.

here is an images of what they call the "look up line" and kids are coached, if you see orange "look up"

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every time I see a Denna Lang interview. The scariest thing about my kids playing and my coaching. they're starting to put "warning tracks" around the municipal rinks in Mass. abut 3 feet off the boards I believe. Not sure if it will change anything, but it can't hurt.

that's pretty smart. the game is SO fast, even at that age.

and Laine, but Matthews has to win this.

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In comment 13506881 pganut said: Quote: In comment 13506880 pjcas18 said: Quote: every time I see a Denna Lang interview. The scariest thing about my kids playing and my coaching. they're starting to put "warning tracks" around the municipal rinks in Mass. abut 3 feet off the boards I believe. Not sure if it will change anything, but it can't hurt. I hear you. Every time my guys step on the ice, a small corner of my mind flashes to Travis Roy. here is an images of what they call the "look up line" and kids are coached, if you see orange "look up"

you can't miss it. it's still very fast, but that's a start.

and in more surprising news.... water is wet.

Matt Murray won 2 Stanley cups as a rookie lol

Sucks for Laine. He wins the Calder going away like 18 out of the last 20 years.. bad luck.

Matthews was a no-brainer though.

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Lemieux only gets 10 NHL favors per blowjob.. that would've been 11.

Islanders.

Grabovski, 2017 1st, 2019 2nd, and D prospect Jake Bischoff (U of MN, 2016-17 Big 10 DPOY).

Wow. Isles gave up a lot.

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meh.. it still makes sense.

they value the pieces they had to hold onto more than a 15th pick in this draft and a 2nd.. they lose cap space in Grabovski and get to keep the guys they wanted.

the 1st round pick was to take Berubie
the 2nd round pick was to take Grabovski off their hands

I'm neutral for now.. depends how they spend the $5M saved

if Grabovski's savings brings them Eberle? well.. yah.

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My only "issue" is with the 2019 2nd. Otherwise, Vegas helped us with the Grabbo contract, and they allowed us to keep the pieces intact that'll obviously be on the move in trades over the next couple of days.

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In comment 13506900 pjcas18 said: Quote: Islanders. My only "issue" is with the 2019 2nd. Otherwise, Vegas helped us with the Grabbo contract, and they allowed us to keep the pieces intact that'll obviously be on the move in trades over the next couple of days.

I don't have an issue with the 2nd round pick, depending on what's next.

If there's an issue to be had, it would be with Snow's inability to prepare a roster better for this day.

No reason to give up that much in order to protect guys like Hamonic, Bailey, and de Haan unless they were necessary pieces in a bigger deal.

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No reason to give up that much in order to protect guys like Hamonic, Bailey, and de Haan unless they were necessary pieces in a bigger deal.

Maybe Garth just wants to keep the same team minus the 3rd goalie? Gotta keep the super best friends together at all costs.

That clears up some JT and Duchene/Galchenyuk money. However, the crazy protected list still makes no sense if you were going to trade anyway. It's like they wanted Mcphee to have more leverage.

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In comment 13506900 pjcas18 said: Quote: Islanders. meh.. it still makes sense. they value the pieces they had to hold onto more than a 15th pick in this draft and a 2nd.. they lose cap space in Grabovski and get to keep the guys they wanted. the 1st round pick was to take Berubie the 2nd round pick was to take Grabovski off their hands I'm neutral for now.. depends how they spend the $5M saved

Fully admit contracts and to an extent roster building is an blind spot I have.

But why give a first to take a no-name goalie?

Unless you mean give up a first so they don't take someone else?

and then a 2nd for salary cap relief.

I get the second to take the salary cap guy, but not the first to take the goalie.

Since they can only take 1 player to me it would have made sense to say we'll trade you a 2nd round pick you take Grabbo.

otherwise FU take Hamonic or de Haan or anyone else on that roster. None of those guys IMO are irreplaceable.

Not an Islanders roster expert, but after the guys they protect the rest of the players should be replaceable.

In comment 13506914 Mike in Long Beach said:

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No reason to give up that much in order to protect guys like Hamonic, Bailey, and de Haan unless they were necessary pieces in a bigger deal.

we don't much of anything.. we will soon.

Hamonic
de haan
Pulock
Strome
Nelson

These are the guys that needed to be protected that were in danger of being exposed. I think that those guys are worth the #1 pick.

The question is the $5M in savings with Grabovski. Is that worth a 2? It could be.

In comment 13506930 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13506904 feelflows said: Quote: In comment 13506900 pjcas18 said: Quote: Islanders. meh.. it still makes sense. they value the pieces they had to hold onto more than a 15th pick in this draft and a 2nd.. they lose cap space in Grabovski and get to keep the guys they wanted. the 1st round pick was to take Berubie the 2nd round pick was to take Grabovski off their hands I'm neutral for now.. depends how they spend the $5M saved Fully admit contracts and to an extent roster building is an blind spot I have. But why give a first to take a no-name goalie? Unless you mean give up a first so they don't take someone else? and then a 2nd for salary cap relief. I get the second to take the salary cap guy, but not the first to take the goalie. Since they can only take 1 player to me it would have made sense to say we'll trade you a 2nd round pick you take Grabbo. otherwise FU take Hamonic or de Haan or anyone else on that roster. None of those guys IMO are irreplaceable. Not an Islanders roster expert, but after the guys they protect the rest of the players should be replaceable.

I get that, PJ. And I never thought of it like that.

Was Grabovski eligible for the draft? I didn't study the list too closely. Because of his health, was he able to be drafted??

The 1st for Berube to me indicates only that a bigger trade is in the works and they were afraid Vegas was going to take one of the pieces of that trade. As many have said, Hamonic and de Haan, while good players, are replaceable. I think they gave them a first to keep them for a bigger maneuver.

And if that's the case, we really are going to be doing a boom or bust act for the next year or two, because whomever we would trade for in a potential trade would likely also requires picks and/or prospects along with an NHL player or two.

Jon Merrill. He just never fulfilled his promise. Maybe the change of scenery will do him good.

In comment 13506941 Mike in Long Beach said:

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The 1st for Berube to me indicates only that a bigger trade is in the works and they were afraid Vegas was going to take one of the pieces of that trade. As many have said, Hamonic and de Haan, while good players, are replaceable. I think they gave them a first to keep them for a bigger maneuver. And if that's the case, we really are going to be doing a boom or bust act for the next year or two, because whomever we would trade for in a potential trade would likely also requires picks and/or prospects along with an NHL player or two.

there's no question that Hamonic or de haan will be dealt..and probably nelson or strome (maybe all 4?)

Garth kept assets and cleared space. I get it.

But to PJs point, why didn't they just trade a #1 or #2 for them to pick Grabovski?

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That clears up some JT and Duchene/Galchenyuk money. However, the crazy protected list still makes no sense if you were going to trade anyway. It's like they wanted Mcphee to have more leverage.

No need for money for JT this year. He's at 5.5 this yr. and next yr they have few guys coming off that will supply the 4.5 extra for JT.

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In comment 13506928 Dave M said: Quote: That clears up some JT and Duchene/Galchenyuk money. However, the crazy protected list still makes no sense if you were going to trade anyway. It's like they wanted Mcphee to have more leverage. No need for money for JT this year. He's at 5.5 this yr. and next yr they have few guys coming off that will supply the 4.5 extra for JT.

tons.. between Halak/Kulemin, that's over $9M right there.

Kevin Baumer‏ @kevinbaumer
Coaches that have won 2 Jack Adams Awards: Pat Burns, Jacques Demers, Pat Quinn, Scotty Bowman, Jacques Lemaire, John Tortorella

might not have been eligible since it says you had to play 40 games the prior season (if that means 2016 - 2017 he wouldn't qualify) if it means 2015 - 2016 he would.

I'll assume it means 2016 - 2017.

Still seems like too much IMO, but like I said I will never pretend to be an NHL roster building expert, with all the buyouts and multiple options for contracts and cap hits.

and his wife (/sarcasm)

He really looks like he has no desire to be there.

Wanted to protect their players. Like feelsy said the names mentioned above are worthy of number 15 overall. Last seasons roster had a great run and just missed out. Perhaps they got the right coach for these players. With that being said, tweaks need to be made, upgrades at certain positions. Sending Grabbos salary opens up a lot of them.

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and his wife (/sarcasm) He really looks like he has no desire to be there.

So you lost Beaulieu and Emelin on the left side.




You know what you need? A LITTLE BIT OF STAAL IN YOUR LIFE

were pretty fortunate if it's true they didn't trade anything.

Emelin is not a top 4 D for them, might be for LV, but clears $4.1M to help re-sign one of of Galchenyuk, Radulov, Markov and/or extend Price. Galchenyuk still a decent bet to be traded.

**BREAKING**: NYI have an offer for Duchene on the table. Sources say it is Hamonic+Strome. NYI have given COL 48Hrs to accept or decline.

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**BREAKING**: NYI have an offer for Duchene on the table. Sources say it is Hamonic+Strome. NYI have given COL 48Hrs to accept or decline.

Source?

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**BREAKING**: NYI have an offer for Duchene on the table. Sources say it is Hamonic+Strome. NYI have given COL 48Hrs to accept or decline.

That'd be a great deal.

Who works at Baskin Robbins. You're not on that Twitter feed?

rumor break off twitter. Not sure how accurate it is

down Galchenyuk, Beaulieu and a first for Duchene at the deadline and instead asked for Sergachev and a 1st which MTL rejected.

If they accept that Islanders trade, which I'm dubious of since there is a trade freeze right now, I think they'd be taking less.

How the fuck does Hamonic and Strome land Duchene when COL turned down Galchenyuk, Beaulieu and a 1?

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How the fuck does Hamonic and Strome land Duchene when COL turned down Galchenyuk, Beaulieu and a 1?

Theres a lot of thinking that Sakic overplayed his hand heading into the March deadline and will have to take a lesser return.

deserved Vezina. Too bad he crapped himself in the playoffs.

Bob deserved the Vezina this year.

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In comment 13507004 arcarsenal said: Quote: How the fuck does Hamonic and Strome land Duchene when COL turned down Galchenyuk, Beaulieu and a 1? Theres a lot of thinking that Sakic overplayed his hand heading into the March deadline and will have to take a lesser return.

Jeez.. that's like.. a significantly lesser return. They can't get more than that?

If COL gives that proposal the "OK," good for you guys - would be a steal.

...the unusual gritty Swede that still does all fundamentally sound and skilled things all the guys coming out of that developmental system do. Bad job by the Rangers FO...as usual.

CBJ giving up a lot to keep their guys intact.

uniforms wouldn't be so bad if they didn't have that gold band around the arms and the star on the shoulders and the design around the logo.

I like the logo if it was plain and the colors.

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were pretty fortunate if it's true they didn't trade anything. Emelin is not a top 4 D for them, might be for LV, but clears $4.1M to help re-sign one of of Galchenyuk, Radulov, Markov and/or extend Price. Galchenyuk still a decent bet to be traded.

If Eklund is to be believed, Galchenyuk for Staal + a pick. Haha. McDonagh/Gomez Part Deux.

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...the unusual gritty Swede that still does all fundamentally sound and skilled things all the guys coming out of that developmental system do. Bad job by the Rangers FO...as usual.

Agree. Tough player to lose.

In comment 13507020 arcarsenal said:

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Jeez.. that's like.. a significantly lesser return. They can't get more than that? If COL gives that proposal the "OK," good for you guys - would be a steal.

I agree on it being a favorable deal for the Isles, but I have seen or heard nothing about this rumor to date, so I'm very skeptical and really lean more towards dismissing this.

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In comment 13506976 pjcas18 said: Quote: were pretty fortunate if it's true they didn't trade anything. Emelin is not a top 4 D for them, might be for LV, but clears $4.1M to help re-sign one of of Galchenyuk, Radulov, Markov and/or extend Price. Galchenyuk still a decent bet to be traded. If Eklund is to be believed, Galchenyuk for Staal + a pick. Haha. McDonagh/Gomez Part Deux.

"If Eklund is to be believed..." is a qualifier you can't use in a sentence. No one should ever believe him.

gave up 2017 first and a 2019 second to protect Jack Johnson?

who were they protecting?

I wonder if the weakness of the draft pushed these GM's to keep players at the cost of mid-late round firsts.

In comment 13507031 pjcas18 said:

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uniforms wouldn't be so bad if they didn't have that gold band around the arms and the star on the shoulders and the design around the logo. I like the logo if it was plain and the colors.

It's not even a solid gold...it's shimmery, like a showgirl's costume. It looks off.

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Elkland is a joke but Habs braintrust are not that smart so I wouldn't put another bad trade past them. They seem desperate.

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In comment 13507035 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 13506976 pjcas18 said: Quote: were pretty fortunate if it's true they didn't trade anything. Emelin is not a top 4 D for them, might be for LV, but clears $4.1M to help re-sign one of of Galchenyuk, Radulov, Markov and/or extend Price. Galchenyuk still a decent bet to be traded. If Eklund is to be believed, Galchenyuk for Staal + a pick. Haha. McDonagh/Gomez Part Deux. "If Eklund is to be believed..." is a qualifier you can't use in a sentence. No one should ever believe him.

Brett likes to post his rumors. Haha #e5

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gave up 2017 first and a 2019 second to protect Jack Johnson? who were they protecting? I wonder if the weakness of the draft pushed these GM's to keep players at the cost of mid-late round firsts.

Josh Anderson as well, And they got out of the Clarkson contract. The cap hit was minimized slightly by LTIR, but not fully for a team like Columbus that doesn't spend right up to the cap.

But more on Friday obviously

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But more on Friday obviously

Interesting, so does Bob McKenzie.

COL is probably Hamonic + Strome + another piece too. The either piece is likely either Dal Colle, Toews, Bellows or 2018 1st.

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COL is probably Hamonic + Strome + another piece too. The either piece is likely either Dal Colle, Toews, Bellows or 2018 1st.

reel in that last piece, please.

mid-rounder would be better. I'm OK with Hamonic and Strome (although I think Strome has a nice career ahead).. but that 3rd piece is a bit much for me.

I was fortunate enough to see Dal Colle and Towes a few times this year. Dal Colle the first game look lost..by the last he showed fantastic hockey sense. He always finds the open slot.

Towes?? I had no idea about him. PG told me to pay extra attention to him one game, and I was shocked. He's not big, but he's a hell of a player.

I know little about Bellows.. he was basically non-existent in the WJC.

Not untouchable, but his development has been very good and I believe they see him as an heir apparent on D, especially if some of the top 4 guys (3, 44) or ancillary pieces (42, 50) get moved.

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In comment 13507294 Anakim said: Quote: But more on Friday obviously Interesting, so does Bob McKenzie.

Just saw that tweet, but yah, it's logical

need puck movers in the biggest way and a center who can control the face off circle. We lose possession far to many times in crunch time situations both in the offensive and defensive zones.

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He scored two goals in the final of the WJC vs. Canada and is leaving BU to play for Portland in the WHL this year.

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In comment 13507315 feelflows said: Quote: In comment 13507304 Metnut said: Quote: I know little about Bellows.. he was basically non-existent in the WJC. He scored two goals in the final of the WJC vs. Canada and is leaving BU to play for Portland in the WHL this year.

yeah.. I watched that. But in all of the other WJC games he was invisible.

I'm not saying he's not a good prospect.. just seems like an unknown at this point. Not a "can't lose him" prospect like Barzal.

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COL is probably Hamonic + Strome + another piece too. The either piece is likely either Dal Colle, Toews, Bellows or 2018 1st.

Is this for Duchene? That seems very steep for him. If MacKinnon that would be amazing.

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need puck movers in the biggest way and a center who can control the face off circle. We lose possession far to many times in crunch time situations both in the offensive and defensive zones.

It is counter intuitive but the correlation between faceoffs and winning is zilch. No one is winning or losing faceoffs at a big enough margin to have a real outcome. The difference between a 55% team and a 45% team (which would be MASSIVE outliers) is like 6 faceoff wins a game. 6 gets of the puck is just so little compared to all the other things on the ice.

The Rangers have been a bottom performing team on faceoffs over the past half decade and have finished no worse than 47%. To get to 50 percent is less than 2 additional FO wins per game. I wouldnt go out of my way to spend on that, per all the stats.

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yeah.. I watched that. But in all of the other WJC games he was invisible. I'm not saying he's not a good prospect.. just seems like an unknown at this point. Not a "can't lose him" prospect like Barzal.

I thought he was decent in the WJC and timely goals are a much needed commodity. Agreed though, he's not even close to Barzal and hardly a can't miss prospect.

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In comment 13507476 feelflows said: Quote: yeah.. I watched that. But in all of the other WJC games he was invisible. I'm not saying he's not a good prospect.. just seems like an unknown at this point. Not a "can't lose him" prospect like Barzal. I thought he was decent in the WJC and timely goals are a much needed commodity. Agreed though, he's not even close to Barzal and hardly a can't miss prospect.

well, this year will be an important developmental year for him (whether he's Isles property or not).

He's 19 and playing in the Juniors. He should be able to put up impressive numbers and get his game ready for the pro-game next year.

There'll be a domino effect.

A Hamonic mention from LeBrun:

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There'll be a domino effect. A Hamonic mention from LeBrun: Quote: Pierre LeBrun‏ Verified account @PierreVLeBrun Following Flames on lookout for top-4 D... believe they've looked into Hamonic, Methot, among others; also still trying to re-sign M. Stone.

that's cool... Johhny G is on his way!! hahaha.. I kid.

To Carolina.

Return not yet reported.

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Jon Merrill. He just never fulfilled his promise. Maybe the change of scenery will do him good.

Moore over Merrill is a no brainer but I wanted to give Merrill one more year to prove himself. I would have preferred losing Lovejoy instead of Merrill.

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To Carolina. Return not yet reported.

that's one of those "just had to sign the papers and submit after 8am" deals..

maybe it starts things off? probably not. A lot of traveling to Chicago today.

reports of Dougie Hamilton being shopped are bogus, why shop a top 2 D and then look to acquire a top 4 D.

Made little sense to begin with IMO, but I guess if they felt they couldn't sign him LT get something for him, but he's signed through 2021 and still won't be 30 when the contract is up.

Get rid of the arm band, get rid of the stars on the shoulders or whatever the hell that is (maybe just color the shoulders black instead of the tri-color arm band) and tighten up the logo and that's a bad ass uniform, I like the logos and the main two color (not the 3rd color though).

the three colors I like, it's the 4th color, the red I don't like.

dreger says Eberle to isles is "close or done".

I can't wait to see this return. :/

Darren Dreger ✔ @DarrenDreger
Hearing Eberle trade to the Islanders is close or has happened. Details to follow. Players being notified.

Darren Dreger‏Verified account @DarrenDreger 1m1 minute ago
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Strome for Eberle. Done deal.

Done deal. Strome for Eberle.

Seems to like our failed Top 5 draft picks. Next year do we trade them MDC?

I like Strome's future, and Eberle costs more.

but Eberle on the Islanders is a 60-pt per year player.

Strome is fighting for minutes if he even makes the roster.

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Seems to like our failed Top 5 draft picks. Next year do we trade them MDC?

don't sell MDC short yet.. first year as a pro and he looked good at the end of the season.

the last game I watched I got to concentrate on him because JHS was up. He got it.

Chiarelli sucks. Good deal for the Islanders.

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I like Strome's future, and Eberle costs more. but Eberle on the Islanders is a 60-pt per year player. Strome is fighting for minutes if he even makes the roster.

Also Eberle is a winger. Strome has done better at C and we have more depth at C

Thanks, dude.

Admittedly, I am a Strome fan and hate that Cappy misused him and killed his confidence. I definitely expect to see him do well in EDM. That said, the Isles just brought in a RW to play alongside JT who has proven to score at the rate we'd hoped Strome would. Effectively replaced "potential" with "proven".

Here's something else I like:

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Andy Graziano ‏ @AndyGraz_SNY 2m2 minutes ago More #isles are still in on Matt Duchene, being told. Tougher deal to make but discussions continue.

I guess they wanted to shed salarm but it's a downgrade.

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Thanks, dude. Admittedly, I am a Strome fan and hate that Cappy misused him and killed his confidence. I definitely expect to see him do well in EDM. That said, the Isles just brought in a RW to play alongside JT who has proven to score at the rate we'd hoped Strome would. Effectively replaced "potential" with "proven". Here's something else I like: Quote: Andy Graziano ‏ @AndyGraz_SNY 2m2 minutes ago More #isles are still in on Matt Duchene, being told. Tougher deal to make but discussions continue.

Duchene would be a nice get. Even Galchenyuk (still). Eberle could be a L2 RW in that scenario. I'm cool with that.

Fucking phone

Eberle the latest very talented player to be traded by Chiarelli. It's quite an impressive list

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Fucking phone

It also sounded like Eberle may have had the same relationship with management that KP/Phil Jackson have

So of course they deemed he had to go and sold low on him. It's not a surprise from that GM

Isles trade:

G Reinhart
R Strome

to Edmonton for:

M Barzal
A Beauviller
J Eberle

sorry...that's hilarious

And the name scares me, but...

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Incarcerated Bob @incarceratedbob 2m2 minutes ago **BREAKING NHL NEWS** Oilers tried to hold out for Dal Colle who Edmonton wanted badly #Isles rebuffed as he's possibly in another deal

If true, I like that Garth stuck to his guns. Chia Pet was over a barrel and had no leverage. Management, team, fans knew after the season ended Eberle was gone. I'd always heard it wasn't going to take an overpay to get him.

With Kelly Buchberger to join the Isles coaching staff, word is that he and Eberle didn't always see eye to eye in EDM. Could be, that just like we've speculated for a while about Strome, that maybe this is a guy who could just use a change of scenery.

Good trade for the Isles.

Though it feels like EDM has been itching to get rid of Eberle for a while now... which is slightly suspicious.

Then again, Chiarelli dealt Hall who had an excellent year for NJD... so.

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And the name scares me, but... Quote: Incarcerated Bob @incarceratedbob 2m2 minutes ago **BREAKING NHL NEWS** Oilers tried to hold out for Dal Colle who Edmonton wanted badly #Isles rebuffed as he's possibly in another deal If true, I like that Garth stuck to his guns. Chia Pet was over a barrel and had no leverage. Management, team, fans knew after the season ended Eberle was gone. I'd always heard it wasn't going to take an overpay to get him.

Do not post anything from incarcerated Bob. He is a known false asshat. He makes shit up as he goes.

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Good trade for the Isles. Though it feels like EDM has been itching to get rid of Eberle for a while now... which is slightly suspicious. Then again, Chiarelli dealt Hall who had an excellent year for NJD... so.

The Hall trade looked like a terrible deal at the time but Larsson actually had a great season and the trade ended up being better for Edmonton than expected.

but this makes the team only marginally better, imo. And Eberle carries a big salary.

I hope this is the appetizer for a Duchene deal.

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Isles trade: G Reinhart R Strome to Edmonton for: M Barzal A Beauviller J Eberle sorry...that's hilarious

You should include one of the draft picks the Isles gave to Vegas for not selecting Strome and taking Grabovski's contract.

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Do not post anything from incarcerated Bob. He is a known false asshat. He makes shit up as he goes.

I don't doubt it with a name/handle like that. Unfortunate choice when credibility is an asset (not that self-styled "insiders" like Gallof or Eklund are any better).

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Quote: Do not post anything from incarcerated Bob. He is a known false asshat. He makes shit up as he goes. I don't doubt it with a name/handle like that. Unfortunate choice when credibility is an asset (not that self-styled "insiders" like Gallof or Eklund are any better).

He is worse than any other. Somehow he has a following that actually believes him. He has been so wrong about Lebron, Melo, Zach Parise, etc. There was an article a couple of years ago proving what a fake he is. He allegedly works for a sports gambling site.

I love that this went down when Staple was on a plane.. not that he would've broke it anyway.

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In comment 13507685 arcarsenal said: Quote: Good trade for the Isles. Though it feels like EDM has been itching to get rid of Eberle for a while now... which is slightly suspicious. Then again, Chiarelli dealt Hall who had an excellent year for NJD... so. The Hall trade looked like a terrible deal at the time but Larsson actually had a great season and the trade ended up being better for Edmonton than expected.

Yeah, Larsson absolutely played well for EDM and it wasn't nearly as bad as it seemed at first.

I guess my overall point was just that even though EDM seemed to be trying to get rid of him for a bit, he was still a really nice acquisition for NJD, which bodes fairly well for NYI.

Hall is a better player than Eberle, but still.

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I love that this went down when Staple was on a plane.. not that he would've broke it anyway.

Staple also knows he missed out, just tweeted this also:

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Gorton is nursing a wicked Scotch hangover these past couple weeks.

Earth to Gorton?

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Gorton is nursing a wicked Scotch hangover these past couple weeks. Earth to Gorton?

If he inherited the (over)stocked liquor cabinet from Sloshy Slats, it may be a while he's in there drinking, Jon.

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There'll be a domino effect. A Hamonic mention from LeBrun: Quote: Pierre LeBrun‏ Verified account @PierreVLeBrun Following Flames on lookout for top-4 D... believe they've looked into Hamonic, Methot, among others; also still trying to re-sign M. Stone.

Methot: I'll try again; last night I asked what the logic was in Sens' leaving Methot unprotected. I thought he was Sens' 2nd best d-man in series vs. NYR and Conf' Finals. I'd have in Blue in a heartbeat.

Now Flames said to be looking at him as a #2 D. What was Sens' logic? Just salary?

LV picked Schlemko to flip him for a 5th round pick.

McPhee acted like the smartest person on the planet last night, but I don't get a lot of their decisions.

a 5th round NHL draft pick in three drafts from now is essentially giving the player away.

Other than the money, and even at that, seems like a shaky basis to expose your #2 D-man and the Robin to Karlsson's Batman. I guess they had to hope that Bobby Ryan was really the one grabbed. On the Silver Seven's site, you can find no good reasons he's gone, but you do find about half that loved Methot and the other half who said "meh".

But I did see this, so it looks like he may well stay in Vegas:

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In comment 13507659 feelflows said: Quote: Isles trade: G Reinhart R Strome to Edmonton for: M Barzal A Beauviller J Eberle sorry...that's hilarious You should include one of the draft picks the Isles gave to Vegas for not selecting Strome and taking Grabovski's contract.

Relevant to the isles, but not relevant to their fleecing of Edmonton.

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LV picked Schlemko to flip him for a 5th round pick. McPhee acted like the smartest person on the planet last night, but I don't get a lot of their decisions. a 5th round NHL draft pick in three drafts from now is essentially giving the player away.

They selected way too many defenseman and had to clear some. Schlemko is a 6th or 7th defenseman on a good team and I am sure they were happy to get something for him. I thought Vegas did a great job with the lone exception being passing on Vatanen for a draft pick. I felt Vatanen could have been a core player for them for years or been flipped at the deadline for more than they received for passing on drafting him. Vegas will struggle mightily as all expansion teams do but they will have the benefit of letting their young players develop in the NHL.

What is the latest on the 1st overall pick? Are the Devils expected to take Patrick or Hischier.

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Other than the money, and even at that, seems like a shaky basis to expose your #2 D-man and the Robin to Karlsson's Batman. I guess they had to hope that Bobby Ryan was really the one grabbed. On the Silver Seven's site, you can find no good reasons he's gone, but you do find about half that loved Methot and the other half who said "meh". But I did see this, so it looks like he may well stay in Vegas: Quote: Bob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie 29m29 minutes ago Amid talk VGK trying to trade Marc Methot, he has 10-team No Trade list and sense seems to be he'd rather stay in Vegas than alter his list.

I think teams could not expose anyone with a NMC/NTC/MNTC without them waiving it.

Was it just a NMC?

For the work he's done so far. Now get that 2nd line center!

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In comment 13507753 pjcas18 said: Quote: LV picked Schlemko to flip him for a 5th round pick. McPhee acted like the smartest person on the planet last night, but I don't get a lot of their decisions. a 5th round NHL draft pick in three drafts from now is essentially giving the player away. They selected way too many defenseman and had to clear some. Schlemko is a 6th or 7th defenseman on a good team and I am sure they were happy to get something for him. I thought Vegas did a great job with the lone exception being passing on Vatanen for a draft pick. I felt Vatanen could have been a core player for them for years or been flipped at the deadline for more than they received for passing on drafting him. Vegas will struggle mightily as all expansion teams do but they will have the benefit of letting their young players develop in the NHL.

They selected 13 defenseman and traded for 2 more. They didn't have to, they could have picked other players from SJ that either had value to them on the ice or more value in a trade.

Picking Schlemko and then giving him away is a head scratcher. I think he sucks, and so do 5th round picks generally.

It would be like an NFL franchise having an expansion draft taking a shitty player as their only player from a team and flipping the player for a 7th round draft pick.

What's the point?

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E.J. Hradek ✔ @EJHradek_NHL @NYIslanders looking to go all-in on the upcoming season. I expect them to make another deal or three https://twitter.com/nyislanders/status/877943436321665024 � 1:40 PM - 22 Jun 2017

As an Isles fan, this exciting and terrifying at the same time.

not sure I see a match I like.

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Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun Hearing that the Devils are among the teams that have inquired with Montreal about Alex Galchenyuk...

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not sure I see a match I like. Quote: Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun Hearing that the Devils are among the teams that have inquired with Montreal about Alex Galchenyuk...

I'm trying to figure out the return on that one.

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In comment 13507886 pjcas18 said: Quote: not sure I see a match I like. Quote: Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun Hearing that the Devils are among the teams that have inquired with Montreal about Alex Galchenyuk... I'm trying to figure out the return on that one.

Zajac? Henrique?

that's the fear among Habs fans.

Habs desperate for a C. I'd rather just play Galchenyuk and/or Drouin at C.

also contacted chicago about Hjalmarrson

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not sure I see a match I like. Quote: Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun Hearing that the Devils are among the teams that have inquired with Montreal about Alex Galchenyuk...

I am happy with Galchenyuk as long as they don't give up The 1st overall pick, Zacha, or Hall. If they do agree to a trade I assume the Devils would be taking a big contract back along with Galchenyuk.

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In comment 13507898 feelflows said: Quote: In comment 13507886 pjcas18 said: Quote: not sure I see a match I like. Quote: Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun Hearing that the Devils are among the teams that have inquired with Montreal about Alex Galchenyuk... I'm trying to figure out the return on that one. Zajac? Henrique? that's the fear among Habs fans. Habs desperate for a C. I'd rather just play Galchenyuk and/or Drouin at C.

If Zajac is part of that deal I will be very happy. The Devils are pretty deep at center and I have to think Henrique is definitely included.

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Chris Nichols‏ @NicholsOnHockey 6m6 minutes ago Replying to @NicholsOnHockey Friedman on Hamonic: "I think there's a lot of action on him. I wouldn't be surprised if it comes soon." #Isles Friedman on Hamonic: "I'm just told the price is high."

Well, the rumored price on Duchene is high. I'd expect Hamonic in a Duchene move, but also hearing Calgary is inquiring as well.

for MTL blood.

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Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun Hearing that Radulov's latest contract ask was six years at $7 M per season. No way Habs do that..

I've read as many as 15 teams inquired about Galchenyuk. If Bergevin was smart he'd be leaking more to create a bidding war (though seems like he or someone is leaking bits of info already)

Kovalchuk might wish to go to Montreal especially if his buddy Radulov re-signs. He could be part of the package for Galchenyuk.

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explain the Eberle salary dump.

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Chris Nichols‏ @NicholsOnHockey 4m4 minutes ago Dreger: "There are whispers that it's going to be $14 million for Connor McDavid." #Oilers