30 thoughts. Hossa might retire due to an allergy to his hockey equipment, which he receives meds for. He's got a front loaded contract, so he'd only be leaving 6% of the contract on the table if he walks away from the last 4 years. Could go LTIR instead.
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I thought the Rangers would do something to protect Antti Raanta, but the information does not point in that direction.
Ultimately, I think the prices Vegas is getting dont make sense for the Rangers to have made a trade on. Only guy I'd be really broken up about is Lindberg, due to position. Link - ( New Window )
The Hossa situation described in that opening sounds pretty strange. Might be forced to retire because of an allergy to his equipment?
The kicker is he's already been paid 94% of his huge contract, but with several seasons remaining. Hawks would be hit with cap re-capture penalties through 2021 if he retires, but if he goes on LTIR they wouldn't and he also wouldn't count against the cap. Which would provide a huge break to Chicago. Interesting
Agreed on Lindberg, but I'd also really hate to lose Grabner. I know he's not necessarily a long term piece for this team. But if we have designs on trying to contend next season, that's a huge piece to lose. His speed made such a difference.
If Fast really isn't an option because of his injury, then I'm hoping it's Raanta that goes. We've shown an ability to pick from the scrap heap of goalies and let Benoit Allaire fix them up into quality back-ups.
sent out tweets this morning with what he's hearing the Vegas deals may be:
-ANA: The belief is VGK will claim Clayton Stoner, pass on Manson/Vatanen and, in return for all that, get Shea Theodore.
-CHI: As Frank Seravalli reported a while back net result would be VGK getting Trevor van Riemsdyk and taking on Marcus Krueger.
-CLB: The jackets are believed to be trading this year's 1st Round Pick and a prospect (not Pierre-Luc Dubois or Sonny Milano) to VGK for assurances that either Matt Calvert, William Karlsson or Ryan Murray are selected.
-FLA: It has been suggested that FLA's deal with VGK may actually be for Vegas to end up acquiring both Marchessault and Rielly Smith (also exposed). Lately, there's been chatter that VGK have been talking about "secondary" expansion draft trades involving Marchessault/Smith.
-MIN: Next up, MIN. Looks like RFA Erik Haula is VGK bound with new contract, along with a prospect.
-NYI: Islanders will send their 1st Round Pick to VGK to select a designated player off the Isles' unprotected list. The deal likely also includes Mikhail Grabovski going to VGK.
-PIT: Pit will send draft pick to VGK to ensure new home for M-A Fleury.
-TB: "Hearing" VGK may take Garrison contract from TB. No details beyond that; not yet sure on incentive or anything firm, TBH.
but if there is any discretion, I could see the league denying it. This isnt necessarily like a concussion or degraded knee that will keep a player from playing again.
If there has been no change to his condition, and he's just now looking to stop taking his meds, the league might blow off Chicago. League could take a dim view of Hossa walking away from the crappy pay years of his contract while getting Chicago out of 16-20 million in cap hits for a disfavored (and now prohibited) contract type.
If he goes on LTIR that contract turns into an asset immediately. It's a zero cash cap hit that will help a team hit the cap floor.
I hate to be such a cynic when it comes to a player's health situation, but this one sounds a little rich.
Agreed, I posted earlier on the other thread, if this is Kane, I gotta think Chicago figures out a way to get him into equipment that doesn't cause an allergic reaction.
the league may also see an opportunity to get a marquee franchise in Chicago - that appears to be on a downward trend - turned around. And let it happen. Wouldn't surprise me
of an allergy to equipment, but it sounds serious, not a gimmick to get rid of his salary.
thought maybe MRSA or something like that at first, but doesn't seem like it. or who knows it could be made up to get the b'hawks out of a contract.
I will say though the way some of the equipment smells in beer league hockey I'm surprised no one has had this allergy there. I threw my equipment in my pool a few years ago to try and help the smell and that's the only time in 20+ years it's touched water or cleaning materials. I usually get my own corner of the locker room b/c my equipment smells so bad. It's kind of a pride thing at this point.
- VGK to have some players in the house tonight and intro them; these are likely the players staying on as Knights.
- There will be subsequent trades from VGK from players they've selected, so the dust won't settle tonight. As jv mentioned above, some secondary trades post-selection are already in the works.
- NHL trade moratorium lifted tomorrow (Thurs) at 8AM, so there will definitely be trades back on track for the non-VGK teams transpiring prior to Friday's draft.
the league may also see an opportunity to get a marquee franchise in Chicago - that appears to be on a downward trend - turned around. And let it happen. Wouldn't surprise me
They were just the #1 seed in the Western conference and number 3 seed overall in the NHL. It wouldnt surprise me if the league looks the other way - because that's what this group of "leaders" do, but the situation reeks and should not get Chicago out of cap hell.
Grabner would suck but he's only signed for one more year and I think last year was a bit of a fluke.
If the Knights pick Raanta, I think it's to trade him. I think they will go forward with MAF and Mrazek. It would still suck to lose potential trade bait in Raanta.
the league may also see an opportunity to get a marquee franchise in Chicago - that appears to be on a downward trend - turned around. And let it happen. Wouldn't surprise me
They were just the #1 seed in the Western conference and number 3 seed overall in the NHL. It wouldnt surprise me if the league looks the other way - because that's what this group of "leaders" do, but the situation reeks and should not get Chicago out of cap hell.
Obviously they were still a good team. But if I remember correctly they had a lot of 3-on-3 wins which propped up their record a bit. Their goal differential was 7th in the league. And Nashville really exposed them.
But they're so cap strapped that there are very few avenues for them to improve. The Seabrook contract is brutal. And Panarin will be a UFA in two more seasons. They seem destined to become a solid playoff team, but one that can't match up to what they used to be.
Hip surgery for Fast. I believe he's out 5-6 months from the surgery in May. Not that LVK couldn't still take him. But there doesn't appear to be much smoke there
It all depends on the health of his legs. If you look at his yearly stats, you can pinpoint when he wasn't 100%. Really only 2 years where he was healthy.
There's a reason he's been with so many teams.
You should hope that he goes over Lindberg or Fast.
will lose a guy that will hurt the team. Yeah, Grabner was great last season, but that's an anomaly. He's not scoring 27 goals next season. Raanta can be a #1 goalie for a lot of teams, but we're talking about the backup on the Rangers. There are plenty of backup goalies out there that can play 20 or so games a year. Lindberg has potential, but what they'd be losing is a fourth line center. It's not like they'd be devastated by losing a fourth line center. Fast is another fourth liner. Good defensively. Putrid offensively.
So no matter who Vegas picks, it's not worth getting upset over.
thanks for the info, wow, young kid to be having that.
Gman11, it's true Grabner's scoring this season was probably an outlier and not indicative of his offensive threat going forward, but his presence on the ice was a threat that opened up play for his teammates, and of course on the PK he was effective as well. Rangers didn't have that kind of speed elsewhere and he softened the loss of Hagelin.
I'm not saying that losing any of those 4 is no big deal. It's just that we're talking third/fourth liners and a backup goalie. Yes, the Rangers signed Grabner for his PK duties. The scoring was a bonus. Still, I think they can find somebody to make up for his loss if he's picked.
entry draft some GM's say there are about 10 - 12 legit first rounders.
If I'm Vegas I'm looking more for 2018 and beyond picks.
Rumor is MTL gave them a 2nd to keep Hudon, but sounds sketchy to me to give up a 2nd to keep a 5th round pick from 4 years ago, who has done ok, but hasn't exactly lit up the AHL.
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Whatever players VGK are flipping in a 3-way, those trades won't be announced until Thursday. Those players first have to be part of reveal
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And if I'm the Rangers that's the best possible outcome.
I know some of you don't want to lose Raanta, and this is my own personal bias, but a 28 year old career backup goalie being lost over forwards like Fast or Lindberg is a win.
Rangers have some good young goalies if I were a fan I'd rather begin transitioning to from Hank (even with Hank's 4 years left)
And if I'm the Rangers that's the best possible outcome.
I know some of you don't want to lose Raanta, and this is my own personal bias, but a 28 year old career backup goalie being lost over forwards like Fast or Lindberg is a win.
Rangers have some good young goalies if I were a fan I'd rather begin transitioning to from Hank (even with Hank's 4 years left)
NO MAF? I thought Pitt was sending a pick TO LV to ensure they pick him.
are Fleury will stay with Vegas. I think you just misread that McKenzie tweet. It can definitely be interpreted that way. But no he's going to apparently be the "face" of their franchise
Situation as being too related to the MAF situation for LV, even if that sounds odd.
I think with 1 year to UFA and a low current salary, Raanta never made a ton sense as a piece for LV to keep (doesn't help reach cap floor, and only 1 year of control). Of course, if they had huge conviction in the player they could select and extend him with enough money that he couldn't say no. But I think Raanta's value to LV was always as a trade chip.
To me, it comes down to whether LV wants a second round pick or Lindberg.
It's a toss-up, but I think they select and trade Raanta.
Feels - no idea on Shest. I don't think NYR or Shest are rushing to get him over here to sit behind Hank. He needs to play.
RE: RE: wait until you see the new golden knights uniforms
isn't the first player to have this or something like it, sounds awful
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...It started as a small rash the size of a quarter on his bicep, and it just kept getting bigger. And itchier. And bloodier. Eventually, the rash spread to Minnesota North Stars defenseman Tom Reids entire torso, up to the top of his chest......
He broke back scratchers trying to ease the itch. He wrapped himself in towels so the blood and pus wouldnt ruin his clothes. He tried changing equipment. He tried lining his equipment with towels. He tried slathering himself in a thick layer of cream before putting on his gear. He tried changing his undergarments after warmups, and between every period. He tried squirting himself with cold water under his equipment between shifts. He tried bringing his equipment home with him every night rather than leave it festering in the locker room. He spent seven to 10 days at a time at the Marshfield Clinic in Wisconsin between games. He received steroid shots and cortisone shots.
Nothing could stop The Gunk, as it was known in the 1970s. And eventually, when the coaching staff called for two-a-day practices for his lousy team, Reid an 11-year veteran and former Blackhawks defenseman knew his playing days were over.....
Ultimately, I think the prices Vegas is getting dont make sense for the Rangers to have made a trade on. Only guy I'd be really broken up about is Lindberg, due to position.
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The kicker is he's already been paid 94% of his huge contract, but with several seasons remaining. Hawks would be hit with cap re-capture penalties through 2021 if he retires, but if he goes on LTIR they wouldn't and he also wouldn't count against the cap. Which would provide a huge break to Chicago. Interesting
If Fast really isn't an option because of his injury, then I'm hoping it's Raanta that goes. We've shown an ability to pick from the scrap heap of goalies and let Benoit Allaire fix them up into quality back-ups.
I hate to be such a cynic when it comes to a player's health situation, but this one sounds a little rich.
-ANA: The belief is VGK will claim Clayton Stoner, pass on Manson/Vatanen and, in return for all that, get Shea Theodore.
-CHI: As Frank Seravalli reported a while back net result would be VGK getting Trevor van Riemsdyk and taking on Marcus Krueger.
-CLB: The jackets are believed to be trading this year's 1st Round Pick and a prospect (not Pierre-Luc Dubois or Sonny Milano) to VGK for assurances that either Matt Calvert, William Karlsson or Ryan Murray are selected.
-FLA: It has been suggested that FLA's deal with VGK may actually be for Vegas to end up acquiring both Marchessault and Rielly Smith (also exposed). Lately, there's been chatter that VGK have been talking about "secondary" expansion draft trades involving Marchessault/Smith.
-MIN: Next up, MIN. Looks like RFA Erik Haula is VGK bound with new contract, along with a prospect.
-NYI: Islanders will send their 1st Round Pick to VGK to select a designated player off the Isles' unprotected list. The deal likely also includes Mikhail Grabovski going to VGK.
-PIT: Pit will send draft pick to VGK to ensure new home for M-A Fleury.
-TB: "Hearing" VGK may take Garrison contract from TB. No details beyond that; not yet sure on incentive or anything firm, TBH.
If there has been no change to his condition, and he's just now looking to stop taking his meds, the league might blow off Chicago. League could take a dim view of Hossa walking away from the crappy pay years of his contract while getting Chicago out of 16-20 million in cap hits for a disfavored (and now prohibited) contract type.
I hate to be such a cynic when it comes to a player's health situation, but this one sounds a little rich.
Agreed, I posted earlier on the other thread, if this is Kane, I gotta think Chicago figures out a way to get him into equipment that doesn't cause an allergic reaction.
thought maybe MRSA or something like that at first, but doesn't seem like it. or who knows it could be made up to get the b'hawks out of a contract.
I will say though the way some of the equipment smells in beer league hockey I'm surprised no one has had this allergy there. I threw my equipment in my pool a few years ago to try and help the smell and that's the only time in 20+ years it's touched water or cleaning materials. I usually get my own corner of the locker room b/c my equipment smells so bad. It's kind of a pride thing at this point.
Aside from Raanta's effectiveness in net, he was a team guy through and through, and it was clear Henrik saw him only as an asset and supporter.
Kyle, Fast's injury is ? Didn't see that.
- There will be subsequent trades from VGK from players they've selected, so the dust won't settle tonight. As jv mentioned above, some secondary trades post-selection are already in the works.
- NHL trade moratorium lifted tomorrow (Thurs) at 8AM, so there will definitely be trades back on track for the non-VGK teams transpiring prior to Friday's draft.
They were just the #1 seed in the Western conference and number 3 seed overall in the NHL. It wouldnt surprise me if the league looks the other way - because that's what this group of "leaders" do, but the situation reeks and should not get Chicago out of cap hell.
Grabner would suck but he's only signed for one more year and I think last year was a bit of a fluke.
If the Knights pick Raanta, I think it's to trade him. I think they will go forward with MAF and Mrazek. It would still suck to lose potential trade bait in Raanta.
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the league may also see an opportunity to get a marquee franchise in Chicago - that appears to be on a downward trend - turned around. And let it happen. Wouldn't surprise me
They were just the #1 seed in the Western conference and number 3 seed overall in the NHL. It wouldnt surprise me if the league looks the other way - because that's what this group of "leaders" do, but the situation reeks and should not get Chicago out of cap hell.
Obviously they were still a good team. But if I remember correctly they had a lot of 3-on-3 wins which propped up their record a bit. Their goal differential was 7th in the league. And Nashville really exposed them.
But they're so cap strapped that there are very few avenues for them to improve. The Seabrook contract is brutal. And Panarin will be a UFA in two more seasons. They seem destined to become a solid playoff team, but one that can't match up to what they used to be.
But this Hossa thing would be a game changer.
It all depends on the health of his legs. If you look at his yearly stats, you can pinpoint when he wasn't 100%. Really only 2 years where he was healthy.
There's a reason he's been with so many teams.
You should hope that he goes over Lindberg or Fast.
So no matter who Vegas picks, it's not worth getting upset over.
Gman11, it's true Grabner's scoring this season was probably an outlier and not indicative of his offensive threat going forward, but his presence on the ice was a threat that opened up play for his teammates, and of course on the PK he was effective as well. Rangers didn't have that kind of speed elsewhere and he softened the loss of Hagelin.
Plus there are deals for players and three-way trades VGK also involved in. Some revealed tonight. Others tomorrow.
If I'm Vegas I'm looking more for 2018 and beyond picks.
Rumor is MTL gave them a 2nd to keep Hudon, but sounds sketchy to me to give up a 2nd to keep a 5th round pick from 4 years ago, who has done ok, but hasn't exactly lit up the AHL.
A 2nd round pick. The rumor was LV would take Plekanec over Hudon and Davidson for the 2nd round pick.
Plekanec movement makes re-signing Radulov and Markov possible and if that happens almost 100% they'll trade Galchenyuk IMO.
I agree, but the Strome protection is purely on hope. He hasn't produced anywhere NEAR first round levels yet... well, HOPEFULLY yet.
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Own. The Islanders were wise to give a first to keep Strome, but I don't think a lot of these guys are good enough to pony up for.
I agree, but the Strome protection is purely on hope. He hasn't produced anywhere NEAR first round levels yet... well, HOPEFULLY yet.
His 14/15 season was incredible. I thought he was going to be a 60/70 point guy.
He's an RFA former 1st round pick. They didn't want to pay him. He's not under contract and he'll want more money than he's worth.
I liked him and think his struggles, like Galchenyuk's if you can call Galchenyuk's career so far a struggle, are due to system, not talent.
Beaulieu will thrive in Buffalo and Galchenyuk will thrive wherever he winds up.
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Own. The Islanders were wise to give a first to keep Strome, but I don't think a lot of these guys are good enough to pony up for.
I agree, but the Strome protection is purely on hope. He hasn't produced anywhere NEAR first round levels yet... well, HOPEFULLY yet.
His 14/15 season was incredible. I thought he was going to be a 60/70 point guy.
Yah. maybe weight and company can get him right. who knows.
Do you agree about Grabner? He's a crapshoot.. you KNOW what you have with him, which is..you never know what you're gonna get with him.
Stick with Lindberg and Fast (or hope that LV thinks that way).
Whatever players VGK are flipping in a 3-way, those trades won't be announced until Thursday. Those players first have to be part of reveal
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And if I'm the Rangers that's the best possible outcome.
I know some of you don't want to lose Raanta, and this is my own personal bias, but a 28 year old career backup goalie being lost over forwards like Fast or Lindberg is a win.
Rangers have some good young goalies if I were a fan I'd rather begin transitioning to from Hank (even with Hank's 4 years left)
And if I'm the Rangers that's the best possible outcome.
I know some of you don't want to lose Raanta, and this is my own personal bias, but a 28 year old career backup goalie being lost over forwards like Fast or Lindberg is a win.
Rangers have some good young goalies if I were a fan I'd rather begin transitioning to from Hank (even with Hank's 4 years left)
NO MAF? I thought Pitt was sending a pick TO LV to ensure they pick him.
No?
Though I'd just as soon not have Pit wiggle out from that situation cheaply.
Though I'd just as soon not have Pit wiggle out from that situation cheaply.
well, best case scenario for you guys is that they take Raanta.
When is Shestyorkin due to come over??
Did I read that wrong?
Did I read that wrong?
I thought Pitt was sending the pick so that they DO take MAF instead of other players so that they could clear cap space.
I think with 1 year to UFA and a low current salary, Raanta never made a ton sense as a piece for LV to keep (doesn't help reach cap floor, and only 1 year of control). Of course, if they had huge conviction in the player they could select and extend him with enough money that he couldn't say no. But I think Raanta's value to LV was always as a trade chip.
To me, it comes down to whether LV wants a second round pick or Lindberg.
It's a toss-up, but I think they select and trade Raanta.
Feels - no idea on Shest. I don't think NYR or Shest are rushing to get him over here to sit behind Hank. He needs to play.
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they are horrendous
shit.. I have bad fashion sense in general, but I like these.
I also love the new MN look.
He broke back scratchers trying to ease the itch. He wrapped himself in towels so the blood and pus wouldnt ruin his clothes. He tried changing equipment. He tried lining his equipment with towels. He tried slathering himself in a thick layer of cream before putting on his gear. He tried changing his undergarments after warmups, and between every period. He tried squirting himself with cold water under his equipment between shifts. He tried bringing his equipment home with him every night rather than leave it festering in the locker room. He spent seven to 10 days at a time at the Marshfield Clinic in Wisconsin between games. He received steroid shots and cortisone shots.
Nothing could stop The Gunk, as it was known in the 1970s. And eventually, when the coaching staff called for two-a-day practices for his lousy team, Reid an 11-year veteran and former Blackhawks defenseman knew his playing days were over.....
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they are horrendous
shit.. I have bad fashion sense in general, but I like these.
I also love the new MN look.
Wild easily the best re-design, Oilers second.