His relationship with McPhee should be investigated after that. They could've taken guys like prince or mayfield and still been better off. Now lets see Garth get us some players in trades.
Chris JohnstonVerified account @reporterchris 23s23 seconds ago
Bill Foley says Vegas signed two restricted free agents during their exclusive negotiating period.
I wonder who they are.
I assume the teams those players are on still get to match?
Yeah. Still interesting, players like Galchenyuk are RFA's, I think LV is in a position to force a lot of hands and maybe that's the way they can get competitive. But I don't know how NHL RFA's work - if it's like NFL and no poison pills and in general.
Chris JohnstonVerified account @reporterchris 23s23 seconds ago
Bill Foley says Vegas signed two restricted free agents during their exclusive negotiating period.
I wonder who they are.
I assume the teams those players are on still get to match?
Yeah. Still interesting, players like Galchenyuk are RFA's, I think LV is in a position to force a lot of hands and maybe that's the way they can get competitive. But I don't know how NHL RFA's work - if it's like NFL and no poison pills and in general.
I interpreted this to mean that they agreed to terms with 2 of the RFAs that were left unprotected by their teams, so that they would select these players in the ED and sign them to new deals already owning their RFA rights. Not offer sheets.
Chris JohnstonVerified account @reporterchris 23s23 seconds ago
Bill Foley says Vegas signed two restricted free agents during their exclusive negotiating period.
I wonder who they are.
I assume the teams those players are on still get to match?
Yeah. Still interesting, players like Galchenyuk are RFA's, I think LV is in a position to force a lot of hands and maybe that's the way they can get competitive. But I don't know how NHL RFA's work - if it's like NFL and no poison pills and in general.
I interpreted this to mean that they agreed to terms with 2 of the RFAs that were left unprotected by their teams, so that they would select these players in the ED and sign them to new deals already owning their RFA rights. Not offer sheets.
So Haula and possibly Lindberg.
Ah, so if they sign an RFA from a team it would count as the player taken
Well, there's still more to the Isles situation...
Any RFAs that were not protected by their teams were eligible for the ED.
If LV selects them in the ED, they get their RFA rights; but no guarantee that the player will sign/agree. If the player then signed elsewhere via offer sheet, LB would have the right to match or receive the compensation.
Sounds like LV used their early window to negotiate with some of the unprotected RFAs so that they could agree to terms and know the cost before using their expansion slot to select the player.
Any RFAs that were not protected by their teams were eligible for the ED.
If LV selects them in the ED, they get their RFA rights; but no guarantee that the player will sign/agree. If the player then signed elsewhere via offer sheet, LB would have the right to match or receive the compensation.
Sounds like LV used their early window to negotiate with some of the unprotected RFAs so that they could agree to terms and know the cost before using their expansion slot to select the player.
I'm surprised, I'm pretty sure he's been around for a while. You are correct that he's a goon.
I don't recognize his name. Maybe if I saw him, but hard to believe that's who they pick from Calgary and without a draft pick or other compensation, not that the Flames unprotected list was great, but there had to be someone better than a 35 year old UFA goon defenseman.
That he believes Lindberg has been selected by Vegas.
Not a surprise. I continue to be baffled why we bought out Girardi last week only to protect Nick fuckin' Holden out of it.
I don't think they would have taken Holden over Lindberg unless we sweetened the deal. Which we did not show a desire to do. They just had to watch the playoffs to know which was the better asset
Gotta think this means Stepan is staying. Unless they move JT back to center
I was thinking the same thing. Adding Neal, Nolan Patrick, plus adding a defenseman or two via free agency would make the Devils a legitimate playoff team.
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Arthur StapleVerified account @StapeNewsday 6m6 minutes ago
Now I'm hearing there's another element to this #Isles deal with Vegas... We'll see in a few hours what it is.
What could it be? It would have to be a player vegas is selecting coming back because we cant trade 2 players to vegas. Will wait for revision #9
Can be a pick, perhaps a future consideration like a #2-3 next year. Or, if your scenario, if we got something back (I'm also drooling over Marchessault), we'd have to give something up in return. Could be a player (Prince?) or a prospect (MDC?).
That he believes Lindberg has been selected by Vegas.
Not a surprise. I continue to be baffled why we bought out Girardi last week only to protect Nick fuckin' Holden out of it.
I think we had to protect Holden.. it has something to do with certain protection slots. I don't think Gorton protected him because he didn't want to lose him.
my half decade man crush on the promise of Lindberg as our new Nemchinov is over. LVK took the right player.
My plan would be to trade Raanta now, acquire a lesser backup via UFA or a trade, and promote Boo. Sign a 13th forward or AHL forward with some center experience, but understand that if Boo fails you may need to make a small trade for a center.
Consider moving Grabner if the price is right. Fast probably cant be traded because of the hip, but be careful about over committing to a 4th liner. Hrivik can do the job for less if need be.
Just a reminder, the Hawks can't put Hossa on LTI until Day 2 of the regular season, have to carry him on the cap opening day.
Sure, once they put him on LTI in October they gave (sic - should be "have to") replace his $5.275-million salary, but where do you find that player in October?
Plus there's the fact that having a player on LTI right from the start of the season means Hawks won't accrue any cap space as year goes on which is a serious impediment come the trade deadline, not being able to accrue any cap savings.
Again, the system isn't set up for a team to just go out and replace that salary right away this summer. Doesn't work that way.
No question it will affect what the Hawks had thought of doing the next week or two on the trade market in my mind.
I think Lindberg definitely showed some flashes late this season especially - it's disappointing to lose him but I think where it hurts the most is that it makes it harder to move Stepan. So, in that regard it definitely limits our options AND takes a good player off our roster.
I think Miller is better suited as a winger, personally. But it depends what our roster looks like as we get closer to the season. I could see there being a case to move him back to pivot if it lets us ice more optimal personnel.
All things being equal, I'd prefer him on the wing though.
That he believes Lindberg has been selected by Vegas.
Not a surprise. I continue to be baffled why we bought out Girardi last week only to protect Nick fuckin' Holden out of it.
I think we had to protect Holden.. it has something to do with certain protection slots. I don't think Gorton protected him because he didn't want to lose him.
Yes, we needed to protect 3 defenseman. But the only reason to let Girardi walk now as a free agent versus doing it later this summer, was to free up that third slot for someone actually worth protecting tonight.
Instead we chose to lose Lindberg for nothing instead of working a trade of one of our 7 protected forwards (or Lindberg himself plus maybe another forward) for a 3rd D-man worth protecting. We essentially wasted a protection slot. And Dumba apparently could have been had for a late first round pick (since he was left unprotected and Vegas took fairly minimal compensation in return to not draft him).
My fear is this organization actually looked at Holden's points this past season and sees him as a good fit on this roster. I know it sounds crazy to us, but tell me why we should gain comfort with how this organization has evaluated defensemen for some time now?
After loving Gorton's work last offseason, this one really baffles me... almost as much as Hagelin two years ago (and fucking up the Talbot trade).
MAB, I think there are some weird rules related to buyouts that may have played a role in Girardi being bought out now instead of in the second window. I'm a bit unclear on it, though.
RE: Some follow up on the Hossa LTIR and cap ramifications
Just a reminder, the Hawks can't put Hossa on LTI until Day 2 of the regular season, have to carry him on the cap opening day.
Sure, once they put him on LTI in October they gave (sic - should be "have to") replace his $5.275-million salary, but where do you find that player in October?
Plus there's the fact that having a player on LTI right from the start of the season means Hawks won't accrue any cap space as year goes on which is a serious impediment come the trade deadline, not being able to accrue any cap savings.
Again, the system isn't set up for a team to just go out and replace that salary right away this summer. Doesn't work that way.
No question it will affect what the Hawks had thought of doing the next week or two on the trade market in my mind.
More i think about it the more its bullshit. There are too many get out of jail free cards with some of these veteran contracts. why should a LTIR get a team off the hook anymore than a player that all of a sudden sucks and the team wants to send him down or cut him?? Both may or may not have been predictable, but it makes no sense that one gets you out of jail and the other doesnt. Injuries are part of the sport - you should think about that before offering 10 year deals (ask Islander fans - Dipietro)
They should probably consider limiting the length on contracts moving forward. Its pretty obvious both Hossa and the Hawks aren't motivated to get him back quickly on the ice. And the timing coming right before tonight's draft and ahead of free agency seems too convenient too.
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I'm hearing it's goaltender J-F Berube, as part of the larger deal between NYI and VGK:
Hahahaha Garth talked his buddy imto taking a piece of shit player. Or they both just love JFB
He was clearly good enough to warrant a bench spot most of the year, why wouldn't Vegas want him as their 3rd goalie? /s
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I'm hearing it's goaltender J-F Berube, as part of the larger deal between NYI and VGK:
Hahahaha Garth talked his buddy imto taking a piece of shit player. Or they both just love JFB
If true, Berube is perfect in LV. He resembles a slot machine with the amount of times a red light and siren goes off when he is in net,
Not a surprise. I continue to be baffled why we bought out Girardi last week only to protect Nick fuckin' Holden out of it.
Frank Seravalli Retweeted Larry Brooks
Believe Oscar Lindberg is the guy from NYR. Not sure if that meant NYR made a deal to keep Raanta or not. We shall see.
Bill Foley says Vegas signed two restricted free agents during their exclusive negotiating period.
I wonder who they are.
If this is true we went from being the most mocked team with the draft, rightfully so (Pelech?!) to probably the team that maneuvered this the best.
Again, the caveat being IF TRUE.
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Chris JohnstonVerified account @reporterchris 23s23 seconds ago
Bill Foley says Vegas signed two restricted free agents during their exclusive negotiating period.
I wonder who they are.
I assume the teams those players are on still get to match?
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Chris JohnstonVerified account @reporterchris 23s23 seconds ago
Bill Foley says Vegas signed two restricted free agents during their exclusive negotiating period.
I wonder who they are.
I assume the teams those players are on still get to match?
Yeah. Still interesting, players like Galchenyuk are RFA's, I think LV is in a position to force a lot of hands and maybe that's the way they can get competitive. But I don't know how NHL RFA's work - if it's like NFL and no poison pills and in general.
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Chris JohnstonVerified account @reporterchris 23s23 seconds ago
Bill Foley says Vegas signed two restricted free agents during their exclusive negotiating period.
I wonder who they are.
I assume the teams those players are on still get to match?
Yeah. Still interesting, players like Galchenyuk are RFA's, I think LV is in a position to force a lot of hands and maybe that's the way they can get competitive. But I don't know how NHL RFA's work - if it's like NFL and no poison pills and in general.
I interpreted this to mean that they agreed to terms with 2 of the RFAs that were left unprotected by their teams, so that they would select these players in the ED and sign them to new deals already owning their RFA rights. Not offer sheets.
So Haula and possibly Lindberg.
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Chris JohnstonVerified account @reporterchris 23s23 seconds ago
Bill Foley says Vegas signed two restricted free agents during their exclusive negotiating period.
I wonder who they are.
I assume the teams those players are on still get to match?
Yeah. Still interesting, players like Galchenyuk are RFA's, I think LV is in a position to force a lot of hands and maybe that's the way they can get competitive. But I don't know how NHL RFA's work - if it's like NFL and no poison pills and in general.
I interpreted this to mean that they agreed to terms with 2 of the RFAs that were left unprotected by their teams, so that they would select these players in the ED and sign them to new deals already owning their RFA rights. Not offer sheets.
So Haula and possibly Lindberg.
Ah, so if they sign an RFA from a team it would count as the player taken
Now I'm hearing there's another element to this #Isles deal with Vegas... We'll see in a few hours what it is.
If LV selects them in the ED, they get their RFA rights; but no guarantee that the player will sign/agree. If the player then signed elsewhere via offer sheet, LB would have the right to match or receive the compensation.
Sounds like LV used their early window to negotiate with some of the unprotected RFAs so that they could agree to terms and know the cost before using their expansion slot to select the player.
NHL will be more strict on slashing next season. #tvasports
If LV selects them in the ED, they get their RFA rights; but no guarantee that the player will sign/agree. If the player then signed elsewhere via offer sheet, LB would have the right to match or receive the compensation.
Sounds like LV used their early window to negotiate with some of the unprotected RFAs so that they could agree to terms and know the cost before using their expansion slot to select the player.
Makes sense. Thanks
Sounds like Deryk Engelland is the Calgary Flames player going to Vegas. He's a UFA ON July 1.
Sounds like a goon.
Hear CLB player is indeed William Karlsson. FLA appears to be Jonathan Marchessault. LV has also apparently acquired a haul of draft picks.
I'd love to get Marchessault from them.
I'm surprised, I'm pretty sure he's been around for a while. You are correct that he's a goon.
I'm surprised, I'm pretty sure he's been around for a while. You are correct that he's a goon.
I don't recognize his name. Maybe if I saw him, but hard to believe that's who they pick from Calgary and without a draft pick or other compensation, not that the Flames unprotected list was great, but there had to be someone better than a 35 year old UFA goon defenseman.
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That he believes Lindberg has been selected by Vegas.
Not a surprise. I continue to be baffled why we bought out Girardi last week only to protect Nick fuckin' Holden out of it.
I don't think they would have taken Holden over Lindberg unless we sweetened the deal. Which we did not show a desire to do. They just had to watch the playoffs to know which was the better asset
Gotta think this means Stepan is staying. Unless they move JT back to center
Believe that the Vegas expansion pick from San Jose is David Schlemko
Griffen Reinhart is the Oiler going to the Desert.
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Arthur StapleVerified account @StapeNewsday 6m6 minutes ago
Now I'm hearing there's another element to this #Isles deal with Vegas... We'll see in a few hours what it is.
What could it be? It would have to be a player vegas is selecting coming back because we cant trade 2 players to vegas. Will wait for revision #9
Elliotte Friedman Retweeted John Shannon
And Colin Miller (BOS)
WTF?
WTF?
I'm nearly 100% sure that's an inaccuracy in the graphic, probably based on the fake news tweet that was promulgated earlier.
This couldn't have gone worse from a NYR perspective.
I was thinking the same thing. Adding Neal, Nolan Patrick, plus adding a defenseman or two via free agency would make the Devils a legitimate playoff team.
Now I'm hearing there's another element to this #Isles deal with Vegas... We'll see in a few hours what it is.
What could it be? It would have to be a player vegas is selecting coming back because we cant trade 2 players to vegas. Will wait for revision #9
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That he believes Lindberg has been selected by Vegas.
Not a surprise. I continue to be baffled why we bought out Girardi last week only to protect Nick fuckin' Holden out of it.
I think we had to protect Holden.. it has something to do with certain protection slots. I don't think Gorton protected him because he didn't want to lose him.
My plan would be to trade Raanta now, acquire a lesser backup via UFA or a trade, and promote Boo. Sign a 13th forward or AHL forward with some center experience, but understand that if Boo fails you may need to make a small trade for a center.
Consider moving Grabner if the price is right. Fast probably cant be traded because of the hip, but be careful about over committing to a 4th liner. Hrivik can do the job for less if need be.
Sure, once they put him on LTI in October they gave (sic - should be "have to") replace his $5.275-million salary, but where do you find that player in October?
Plus there's the fact that having a player on LTI right from the start of the season means Hawks won't accrue any cap space as year goes on which is a serious impediment come the trade deadline, not being able to accrue any cap savings.
Again, the system isn't set up for a team to just go out and replace that salary right away this summer. Doesn't work that way.
No question it will affect what the Hawks had thought of doing the next week or two on the trade market in my mind.
Fuckin' Vegas...
All things being equal, I'd prefer him on the wing though.
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That he believes Lindberg has been selected by Vegas.
Not a surprise. I continue to be baffled why we bought out Girardi last week only to protect Nick fuckin' Holden out of it.
I think we had to protect Holden.. it has something to do with certain protection slots. I don't think Gorton protected him because he didn't want to lose him.
Yes, we needed to protect 3 defenseman. But the only reason to let Girardi walk now as a free agent versus doing it later this summer, was to free up that third slot for someone actually worth protecting tonight.
Instead we chose to lose Lindberg for nothing instead of working a trade of one of our 7 protected forwards (or Lindberg himself plus maybe another forward) for a 3rd D-man worth protecting. We essentially wasted a protection slot. And Dumba apparently could have been had for a late first round pick (since he was left unprotected and Vegas took fairly minimal compensation in return to not draft him).
My fear is this organization actually looked at Holden's points this past season and sees him as a good fit on this roster. I know it sounds crazy to us, but tell me why we should gain comfort with how this organization has evaluated defensemen for some time now?
After loving Gorton's work last offseason, this one really baffles me... almost as much as Hagelin two years ago (and fucking up the Talbot trade).
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Just a reminder, the Hawks can't put Hossa on LTI until Day 2 of the regular season, have to carry him on the cap opening day.
Sure, once they put him on LTI in October they gave (sic - should be "have to") replace his $5.275-million salary, but where do you find that player in October?
Plus there's the fact that having a player on LTI right from the start of the season means Hawks won't accrue any cap space as year goes on which is a serious impediment come the trade deadline, not being able to accrue any cap savings.
Again, the system isn't set up for a team to just go out and replace that salary right away this summer. Doesn't work that way.
No question it will affect what the Hawks had thought of doing the next week or two on the trade market in my mind.
More i think about it the more its bullshit. There are too many get out of jail free cards with some of these veteran contracts. why should a LTIR get a team off the hook anymore than a player that all of a sudden sucks and the team wants to send him down or cut him?? Both may or may not have been predictable, but it makes no sense that one gets you out of jail and the other doesnt. Injuries are part of the sport - you should think about that before offering 10 year deals (ask Islander fans - Dipietro)
They should probably consider limiting the length on contracts moving forward. Its pretty obvious both Hossa and the Hawks aren't motivated to get him back quickly on the ice. And the timing coming right before tonight's draft and ahead of free agency seems too convenient too.