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Deej : 6/21/2017 7:57 am
What happens in Vegas gets traded for futures in Vegas. Discuss.
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RE: Losing the Grabbo contract is probably worth a 2nd  
KWhite2250 : 6/21/2017 9:33 pm : link
In comment 13506928 Dave M said:
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That clears up some JT and Duchene/Galchenyuk money. However, the crazy protected list still makes no sense if you were going to trade anyway. It's like they wanted Mcphee to have more leverage.


No need for money for JT this year. He's at 5.5 this yr. and next yr they have few guys coming off that will supply the 4.5 extra for JT.
RE: RE: Losing the Grabbo contract is probably worth a 2nd  
feelflows : 6/21/2017 9:36 pm : link
In comment 13506951 KWhite2250 said:
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That clears up some JT and Duchene/Galchenyuk money. However, the crazy protected list still makes no sense if you were going to trade anyway. It's like they wanted Mcphee to have more leverage.



No need for money for JT this year. He's at 5.5 this yr. and next yr they have few guys coming off that will supply the 4.5 extra for JT.


tons.. between Halak/Kulemin, that's over $9M right there.
At least we have AV!  
Anakim : 6/21/2017 9:38 pm : link
Kevin Baumer‏ @kevinbaumer
Coaches that have won 2 Jack Adams Awards: Pat Burns, Jacques Demers, Pat Quinn, Scotty Bowman, Jacques Lemaire, John Tortorella
I guess Grabvoski  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2017 9:40 pm : link
might not have been eligible since it says you had to play 40 games the prior season (if that means 2016 - 2017 he wouldn't qualify) if it means 2015 - 2016 he would.

I'll assume it means 2016 - 2017.

Still seems like too much IMO, but like I said I will never pretend to be an NHL roster building expert, with all the buyouts and multiple options for contracts and cap hits.
I wonder why they keep showing Carey Price  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2017 9:42 pm : link
and his wife (/sarcasm)

He really looks like he has no desire to be there.
Islanders  
Fish : 6/21/2017 9:44 pm : link
Wanted to protect their players. Like feelsy said the names mentioned above are worthy of number 15 overall. Last seasons roster had a great run and just missed out. Perhaps they got the right coach for these players. With that being said, tweaks need to be made, upgrades at certain positions. Sending Grabbos salary opens up a lot of them.
RE: I wonder why they keep showing Carey Price  
Anakim : 6/21/2017 9:46 pm : link
In comment 13506964 pjcas18 said:
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and his wife (/sarcasm)

He really looks like he has no desire to be there.


So you lost Beaulieu and Emelin on the left side.




You know what you need? A LITTLE BIT OF STAAL IN YOUR LIFE
Canadiens  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2017 9:48 pm : link
were pretty fortunate if it's true they didn't trade anything.

Emelin is not a top 4 D for them, might be for LV, but clears $4.1M to help re-sign one of of Galchenyuk, Radulov, Markov and/or extend Price. Galchenyuk still a decent bet to be traded.
Here we go  
Fish : 6/21/2017 9:49 pm : link
**BREAKING**: NYI have an offer for Duchene on the table. Sources say it is Hamonic+Strome. NYI have given COL 48Hrs to accept or decline.
RE: Here we go  
Anakim : 6/21/2017 9:50 pm : link
In comment 13506978 Fish said:
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**BREAKING**: NYI have an offer for Duchene on the table. Sources say it is Hamonic+Strome. NYI have given COL 48Hrs to accept or decline.


Source?
RE: Here we go  
BrettNYG10 : 6/21/2017 9:53 pm : link
In comment 13506978 Fish said:
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**BREAKING**: NYI have an offer for Duchene on the table. Sources say it is Hamonic+Strome. NYI have given COL 48Hrs to accept or decline.


That'd be a great deal.
The brother's girlfriend's cousin  
pganut : 6/21/2017 9:54 pm : link
Who works at Baskin Robbins. You're not on that Twitter feed?
The  
Fish : 6/21/2017 9:56 pm : link
rumor break off twitter. Not sure how accurate it is
Colorado turned  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2017 9:59 pm : link
down Galchenyuk, Beaulieu and a first for Duchene at the deadline and instead asked for Sergachev and a 1st which MTL rejected.

If they accept that Islanders trade, which I'm dubious of since there is a trade freeze right now, I think they'd be taking less.
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arcarsenal : 6/21/2017 10:02 pm : link
How the fuck does Hamonic and Strome land Duchene when COL turned down Galchenyuk, Beaulieu and a 1?
RE: .  
pganut : 6/21/2017 10:07 pm : link
In comment 13507004 arcarsenal said:
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How the fuck does Hamonic and Strome land Duchene when COL turned down Galchenyuk, Beaulieu and a 1?
Theres a lot of thinking that Sakic overplayed his hand heading into the March deadline and will have to take a lesser return.
Bobrovsky  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2017 10:08 pm : link
deserved Vezina. Too bad he crapped himself in the playoffs.
Glad they got one right  
pganut : 6/21/2017 10:08 pm : link
Bob deserved the Vezina this year.
RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 6/21/2017 10:12 pm : link
In comment 13507010 pganut said:
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How the fuck does Hamonic and Strome land Duchene when COL turned down Galchenyuk, Beaulieu and a 1?

Theres a lot of thinking that Sakic overplayed his hand heading into the March deadline and will have to take a lesser return.


Jeez.. that's like.. a significantly lesser return. They can't get more than that?

If COL gives that proposal the "OK," good for you guys - would be a steal.
Lindberg was the guy I didn't want to lose...  
Torrag : 6/21/2017 10:13 pm : link
...the unusual gritty Swede that still does all fundamentally sound and skilled things all the guys coming out of that developmental system do. Bad job by the Rangers FO...as usual.
Well, I guess Kekalainen is just as crazy as Snow  
pganut : 6/21/2017 10:16 pm : link
CBJ giving up a lot to keep their guys intact.
The Vegas  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2017 10:17 pm : link
uniforms wouldn't be so bad if they didn't have that gold band around the arms and the star on the shoulders and the design around the logo.

I like the logo if it was plain and the colors.
RE: Canadiens  
Anakim : 6/21/2017 10:18 pm : link
In comment 13506976 pjcas18 said:
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were pretty fortunate if it's true they didn't trade anything.

Emelin is not a top 4 D for them, might be for LV, but clears $4.1M to help re-sign one of of Galchenyuk, Radulov, Markov and/or extend Price. Galchenyuk still a decent bet to be traded.


If Eklund is to be believed, Galchenyuk for Staal + a pick. Haha. McDonagh/Gomez Part Deux.
RE: Lindberg was the guy I didn't want to lose...  
Fish : 6/21/2017 10:19 pm : link
In comment 13507021 Torrag said:
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...the unusual gritty Swede that still does all fundamentally sound and skilled things all the guys coming out of that developmental system do. Bad job by the Rangers FO...as usual.


Agree. Tough player to lose.
RE: RE: RE: .  
pganut : 6/21/2017 10:19 pm : link
In comment 13507020 arcarsenal said:
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Jeez.. that's like.. a significantly lesser return. They can't get more than that?

If COL gives that proposal the "OK," good for you guys - would be a steal.
I agree on it being a favorable deal for the Isles, but I have seen or heard nothing about this rumor to date, so I'm very skeptical and really lean more towards dismissing this.
RE: RE: Canadiens  
arcarsenal : 6/21/2017 10:20 pm : link
In comment 13507035 Anakim said:
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were pretty fortunate if it's true they didn't trade anything.

Emelin is not a top 4 D for them, might be for LV, but clears $4.1M to help re-sign one of of Galchenyuk, Radulov, Markov and/or extend Price. Galchenyuk still a decent bet to be traded.



If Eklund is to be believed, Galchenyuk for Staal + a pick. Haha. McDonagh/Gomez Part Deux.


"If Eklund is to be believed..." is a qualifier you can't use in a sentence. No one should ever believe him.
Columbus  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2017 10:21 pm : link
gave up 2017 first and a 2019 second to protect Jack Johnson?

who were they protecting?

I wonder if the weakness of the draft pushed these GM's to keep players at the cost of mid-late round firsts.
RE: The Vegas  
pganut : 6/21/2017 10:21 pm : link
In comment 13507031 pjcas18 said:
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uniforms wouldn't be so bad if they didn't have that gold band around the arms and the star on the shoulders and the design around the logo.

I like the logo if it was plain and the colors.
It's not even a solid gold...it's shimmery, like a showgirl's costume. It looks off.
RE: RE: Canadiens  
5BowlsSoon : 6/21/2017 10:22 pm : link
In comment 13507035 Anakim said:
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were pretty fortunate if it's true they didn't trade anything.

Emelin is not a top 4 D for them, might be for LV, but clears $4.1M to help re-sign one of of Galchenyuk, Radulov, Markov and/or extend Price. Galchenyuk still a decent bet to be traded.



If Eklund is to be believed, Galchenyuk for Staal + a pick. Haha. McDonagh/Gomez Part Deux.


Elkland is a joke but Habs braintrust are not that smart so I wouldn't put another bad trade past them. They seem desperate.
RE: RE: RE: Canadiens  
Anakim : 6/21/2017 10:24 pm : link
In comment 13507041 arcarsenal said:
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were pretty fortunate if it's true they didn't trade anything.

Emelin is not a top 4 D for them, might be for LV, but clears $4.1M to help re-sign one of of Galchenyuk, Radulov, Markov and/or extend Price. Galchenyuk still a decent bet to be traded.



If Eklund is to be believed, Galchenyuk for Staal + a pick. Haha. McDonagh/Gomez Part Deux.



"If Eklund is to be believed..." is a qualifier you can't use in a sentence. No one should ever believe him.


Brett likes to post his rumors. Haha #e5
RE: Columbus  
Kyle in NY : 6/21/2017 11:20 pm : link
In comment 13507042 pjcas18 said:
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gave up 2017 first and a 2019 second to protect Jack Johnson?

who were they protecting?

I wonder if the weakness of the draft pushed these GM's to keep players at the cost of mid-late round firsts.


Josh Anderson as well, And they got out of the Clarkson contract. The cap hit was minimized slightly by LTIR, but not fully for a team like Columbus that doesn't spend right up to the cap.
I expect some trades today  
Anakim : 6/22/2017 9:25 am : link
But more on Friday obviously
RE: I expect some trades today  
pganut : 6/22/2017 9:30 am : link
In comment 13507294 Anakim said:
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But more on Friday obviously
Interesting, so does Bob McKenzie.
My guess is that the offer to  
Metnut : 6/22/2017 9:33 am : link
COL is probably Hamonic + Strome + another piece too. The either piece is likely either Dal Colle, Toews, Bellows or 2018 1st.
RE: My guess is that the offer to  
feelflows : 6/22/2017 9:38 am : link
In comment 13507304 Metnut said:
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COL is probably Hamonic + Strome + another piece too. The either piece is likely either Dal Colle, Toews, Bellows or 2018 1st.


reel in that last piece, please.

mid-rounder would be better. I'm OK with Hamonic and Strome (although I think Strome has a nice career ahead).. but that 3rd piece is a bit much for me.

I was fortunate enough to see Dal Colle and Towes a few times this year. Dal Colle the first game look lost..by the last he showed fantastic hockey sense. He always finds the open slot.

Towes?? I had no idea about him. PG told me to pay extra attention to him one game, and I was shocked. He's not big, but he's a hell of a player.

I know little about Bellows.. he was basically non-existent in the WJC.
My take is that Toews is someone the Isles don't want to move  
pganut : 6/22/2017 9:41 am : link
Not untouchable, but his development has been very good and I believe they see him as an heir apparent on D, especially if some of the top 4 guys (3, 44) or ancillary pieces (42, 50) get moved.
RE: RE: I expect some trades today  
Anakim : 6/22/2017 10:43 am : link
In comment 13507302 pganut said:
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But more on Friday obviously

Interesting, so does Bob McKenzie.


Just saw that tweet, but yah, it's logical
Rangers  
Giantfootball025 : 6/22/2017 10:53 am : link
need puck movers in the biggest way and a center who can control the face off circle. We lose possession far to many times in crunch time situations both in the offensive and defensive zones.
RE: RE: My guess is that the offer to  
Patrick : 6/22/2017 11:03 am : link
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I know little about Bellows.. he was basically non-existent in the WJC.


He scored two goals in the final of the WJC vs. Canada and is leaving BU to play for Portland in the WHL this year.
RE: RE: RE: My guess is that the offer to  
feelflows : 6/22/2017 11:04 am : link
In comment 13507475 Patrick said:
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I know little about Bellows.. he was basically non-existent in the WJC.



He scored two goals in the final of the WJC vs. Canada and is leaving BU to play for Portland in the WHL this year.


yeah.. I watched that. But in all of the other WJC games he was invisible.

I'm not saying he's not a good prospect.. just seems like an unknown at this point. Not a "can't lose him" prospect like Barzal.
RE: My guess is that the offer to  
Patrick : 6/22/2017 11:05 am : link
In comment 13507304 Metnut said:
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COL is probably Hamonic + Strome + another piece too. The either piece is likely either Dal Colle, Toews, Bellows or 2018 1st.


Is this for Duchene? That seems very steep for him. If MacKinnon that would be amazing.
RE: Rangers  
Deej : 6/22/2017 11:06 am : link
In comment 13507461 Giantfootball025 said:
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need puck movers in the biggest way and a center who can control the face off circle. We lose possession far to many times in crunch time situations both in the offensive and defensive zones.


It is counter intuitive but the correlation between faceoffs and winning is zilch. No one is winning or losing faceoffs at a big enough margin to have a real outcome. The difference between a 55% team and a 45% team (which would be MASSIVE outliers) is like 6 faceoff wins a game. 6 gets of the puck is just so little compared to all the other things on the ice.

The Rangers have been a bottom performing team on faceoffs over the past half decade and have finished no worse than 47%. To get to 50 percent is less than 2 additional FO wins per game. I wouldnt go out of my way to spend on that, per all the stats.
RE: RE: RE: RE: My guess is that the offer to  
Patrick : 6/22/2017 11:07 am : link
In comment 13507476 feelflows said:
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yeah.. I watched that. But in all of the other WJC games he was invisible.

I'm not saying he's not a good prospect.. just seems like an unknown at this point. Not a "can't lose him" prospect like Barzal.


I thought he was decent in the WJC and timely goals are a much needed commodity. Agreed though, he's not even close to Barzal and hardly a can't miss prospect.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: My guess is that the offer to  
feelflows : 6/22/2017 11:12 am : link
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yeah.. I watched that. But in all of the other WJC games he was invisible.

I'm not saying he's not a good prospect.. just seems like an unknown at this point. Not a "can't lose him" prospect like Barzal.



I thought he was decent in the WJC and timely goals are a much needed commodity. Agreed though, he's not even close to Barzal and hardly a can't miss prospect.


well, this year will be an important developmental year for him (whether he's Isles property or not).

He's 19 and playing in the Juniors. He should be able to put up impressive numbers and get his game ready for the pro-game next year.
Certainly very calm out there; wonder if once one move is made  
pganut : 6/22/2017 11:25 am : link
There'll be a domino effect.

A Hamonic mention from LeBrun:
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Pierre LeBrun‏ Verified account
@PierreVLeBrun
Following

Flames on lookout for top-4 D... believe they've looked into Hamonic, Methot, among others; also still trying to re-sign M. Stone.
RE: Certainly very calm out there; wonder if once one move is made  
feelflows : 6/22/2017 11:35 am : link
In comment 13507511 pganut said:
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There'll be a domino effect.

A Hamonic mention from LeBrun:

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Pierre LeBrun‏ Verified account
@PierreVLeBrun
Following

Flames on lookout for top-4 D... believe they've looked into Hamonic, Methot, among others; also still trying to re-sign M. Stone.



that's cool... Johhny G is on his way!! hahaha.. I kid.
LV sending TVR  
bigbluehoya : 6/22/2017 11:41 am : link
To Carolina.

Return not yet reported.
RE: Really glad the Devs chose Moore over  
Jay on the Island : 6/22/2017 11:43 am : link
In comment 13506946 Stu11 said:
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Jon Merrill. He just never fulfilled his promise. Maybe the change of scenery will do him good.

Moore over Merrill is a no brainer but I wanted to give Merrill one more year to prove himself. I would have preferred losing Lovejoy instead of Merrill.
RE: LV sending TVR  
feelflows : 6/22/2017 11:47 am : link
In comment 13507528 bigbluehoya said:
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To Carolina.

Return not yet reported.


that's one of those "just had to sign the papers and submit after 8am" deals..

maybe it starts things off? probably not. A lot of traveling to Chicago today.
So I guess  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2017 11:48 am : link
reports of Dougie Hamilton being shopped are bogus, why shop a top 2 D and then look to acquire a top 4 D.

Made little sense to begin with IMO, but I guess if they felt they couldn't sign him LT get something for him, but he's signed through 2021 and still won't be 30 when the contract is up.
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