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NFT: Knicks Chat: KP is staying, F the rumors

DanMetroMan : 6/21/2017 9:04 am
-Begley doesn't believe KP will actually be traded, asking price is "monstrous"

- KP has an E:60 coming up that touches on his issues with the Knicks but it sounds like he basically "no comments" direct details

-Lakers apparently talking to every team in the league. Thought they had a deal for 5 and 12 for #2, Kings balked
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Did anyone see Woj's newest tweet?  
Anakim : 6/21/2017 9:13 pm : link
I may puke
Oh geez, Phil  
Anakim : 6/21/2017 9:15 pm : link
He didn't deny that KP is untouchable. He said that he never had a player not show up to an exit meeting.
Wow Phil not backing down on KP.  
bceagle05 : 6/21/2017 9:15 pm : link
He's pissed.
RE: Did anyone see Woj's newest tweet?  
Mike in NJ : 6/21/2017 9:16 pm : link
In comment 13506908 Anakim said:
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I may puke


They better be getting a whole hell of a lot with that top 4 pick.
phil basically just said  
nygiants16 : 6/21/2017 9:17 pm : link
the exit meeting really huet he has tried to talk to kp, needs som repairing..

he also said they are listening, if they get an offer of 2 starters and draft picks it may be something they have to think about it, have to do whats best for team
Phil kind of implied Frank  
Anakim : 6/21/2017 9:17 pm : link
He said the 8th pick will hopefully be an eventual starter
I'd say he needs to get over himself  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/21/2017 9:17 pm : link
but he's always been a massive ego.
It's not good for our health to care this deeply about the Knicks.  
Jim in Hoboken : 6/21/2017 9:18 pm : link
The owner doesn't care, he hires an egomaniac unfit for the position to run the organization into the ground.

Fuck this, I went to college in Philly so I'm going to root for the Sixers instead.

What a sorry ass organization.
RE: Wow Phil not backing down on KP.  
nygiants16 : 6/21/2017 9:18 pm : link
In comment 13506913 bceagle05 said:
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He's pissed.


yeah he seems mad and didnt like it..

i think if boston offered brown, 3 and a future first i think he would do it...

Phil said there's a good chance we take a PG, SG or SF  
Anakim : 6/21/2017 9:18 pm : link
.
i know wally is basically shill now  
nygiants16 : 6/21/2017 9:23 pm : link
but he just said kp needs to grow up never heard of a player skipping the exit meetings...

i guess josh jackson was not lying huh
We all love KP..  
Sean : 6/21/2017 9:24 pm : link
but let's admit he has been a spoiled punk. Him blowing off the exit interview was a joke & disrespecting arguably the greatest coach of all time in the sport is an awful look.
I usually feel better after Phil interviews/pressers  
bceagle05 : 6/21/2017 9:24 pm : link
but that one was scary. Hopefully this stuff with KP is just a machismo, and he's not doing something grotesquely stupid.
RE: I usually feel better after Phil interviews/pressers  
nygiants16 : 6/21/2017 9:25 pm : link
In comment 13506936 bceagle05 said:
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but that one was scary. Hopefully this stuff with KP is just a machismo, and he's not doing something grotesquely stupid.


he didnt hold back
Phil  
TyreeHelmet : 6/21/2017 9:29 pm : link
That interview makes me sick. KP is going to end up on the Celtics and it's not going to be some monster package. 2 starters and draft picks... great.

Let me get this straight Phil- DRose skips an NBA game without notifying his team but Phils says they will consider bringing him back. But KP skips an exit interview and it's time to trade your 21 year old budding star.

This offseason is going to be disaster. Phil will trade KP and is going to sign vets to compete this year.
Prozingas  
g56blue10 : 6/21/2017 9:37 pm : link
I can say as a manager I would not tolerate an employee skipping a meeting with me because they were "unhappy" . I love porzingas but that is completely not acceptable behavior from an employee. He has a lot of growing up to do. Now saying that I hope he remains in a Knicks uniform but at the end of the day I don't care how good you are of you can't meet the expectations of the company and do what is required of you then I will replace you
Brown, #3 & another 1?  
Carl in CT : 6/21/2017 9:38 pm : link
If it's the Nets 1 (and I'm a huge fan) he goes!
Fuck Phil Jackson.  
Ash_3 : 6/21/2017 9:42 pm : link
And to hell with all of this constant, unthinking, blindly pro-management bullshit I read on these threads. KP is one of the workers in any industry with the power to tell incompetent management to fuck off. Good for him. If KP is traded because of Phil's ego, fuck the Knicks. I'm done.
RE: Brown, #3 & another 1?  
bceagle05 : 6/21/2017 9:42 pm : link
In comment 13506958 Carl in CT said:
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If it's the Nets 1 (and I'm a huge fan) he goes!


That's the only trade I'd make. I've said that from the beginning. Everything else is too risky, especially if we're doing this for Jackson. I'd rather have Ball or Fox.
As I posted on the other thread  
moespree : 6/21/2017 9:45 pm : link
Maybe the conspiracy that Phil secretly hates the Knicks and is actually here to finish the franchise off and steal money is true. And in reality he knows exactly what he's doing.

Who knows. With the horrific, getting into worse than Isiah territory, job he's done...who is to say it isn't accurate.
?  
TyreeHelmet : 6/21/2017 9:49 pm : link
Who are these "young up and coming players" and "youth" Phil is referencing? He's "rebuilding with youth". This man is delusional.

Get ready for Avery Bradley Jae Crowder and the 3rd pick for Porzingis. Phil can get the the Knicks to the 7th seed!

But don't worry "Phil knows what he's doing but it hasn't been reflected in the record".

Rock bottom.
RE: ?  
Bill L : 6/21/2017 9:51 pm : link
In comment 13506977 TyreeHelmet said:
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Who are these "young up and coming players" and "youth" Phil is referencing? He's "rebuilding with youth". This man is delusional.

Get ready for Avery Bradley Jae Crowder and the 3rd pick for Porzingis. Phil can get the the Knicks to the 7th seed!

But don't worry "Phil knows what he's doing but it hasn't been reflected in the record".

Rock bottom.
now that, I actually think is fair value.
RE: Prozingas  
Deej : 6/21/2017 9:56 pm : link
In comment 13506955 g56blue10 said:
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I can say as a manager I would not tolerate an employee skipping a meeting with me because they were "unhappy" . I love porzingas but that is completely not acceptable behavior from an employee. He has a lot of growing up to do. Now saying that I hope he remains in a Knicks uniform but at the end of the day I don't care how good you are of you can't meet the expectations of the company and do what is required of you then I will replace you


Porzingis is nothing like your employees. He did not choose to work for the Knicks. He would quit today and go to a competitor if he could, Im sure. He's also a unique talent -- literally, there are maybe 2-3 guys alive who could maybe replicate his skill set. Maybe.

So why would we possibly talk about him like he's a regular old employee. Does a Hollywood producers talk about Tom Cruise and the assistant key grip the same? Does the head of a law firm talk about his star rainmaker and a file clerk the same? No.
Every time you think you've seen the worst of the Knicks  
Greg from LI : 6/21/2017 9:56 pm : link
They sink even lower.
RE: Every time you think you've seen the worst of the Knicks  
Ash_3 : 6/21/2017 9:57 pm : link
In comment 13506990 Greg from LI said:
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They sink even lower.


Seriously even if the trade doesn't happen, I want Phil gone. He's a failure as an executive.
RE: phil basically just said  
Deej : 6/21/2017 9:57 pm : link
In comment 13506916 nygiants16 said:
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the exit meeting really huet he has tried to talk to kp, needs som repairing..

he also said they are listening, if they get an offer of 2 starters and draft picks it may be something they have to think about it, have to do whats best for team


One wonders if Phil's "best for the team" decision tree includes the option of keeping the unicorn player, and losing the team president who has flopped in his 3 years on the job (with no prior experience).

It's funny how best for the team doesnt include firing himself.
RE: RE: ?  
BigBlueShock : 6/21/2017 9:58 pm : link
In comment 13506981 Bill L said:
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In comment 13506977 TyreeHelmet said:


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Who are these "young up and coming players" and "youth" Phil is referencing? He's "rebuilding with youth". This man is delusional.

Get ready for Avery Bradley Jae Crowder and the 3rd pick for Porzingis. Phil can get the the Knicks to the 7th seed!

But don't worry "Phil knows what he's doing but it hasn't been reflected in the record".

Rock bottom.

now that, I actually think is fair value.

Sure it is. A guy with top 10 NBA upside traded for mediocrity. What's not fair about that?

---Celtics fans everywhere
RE: We all love KP..  
Deej : 6/21/2017 9:59 pm : link
In comment 13506935 Sean said:
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but let's admit he has been a spoiled punk. Him blowing off the exit interview was a joke & disrespecting arguably the greatest coach of all time in the sport is an awful look.


One datapoint makes him a punk? What is the evidence that KP is spoiled? Seems to me he works his ass off.

Phil may have been a great coach but he's a punk. The datapoints are manifest. And in any event, he's not the coach, he's the president, and he's failing hard.
Phil apparently wants to get  
Rflairr : 6/21/2017 10:00 pm : link
Josh Jackson. Word is Phx is interested in trading their pick
Bradley and Crowder are role players.  
bceagle05 : 6/21/2017 10:00 pm : link
Unless Josh Jackson improves by leaps and bounds offensively, his ceiling is limited, too. That would be a horrific trade. Knicks should've called Danny Ainge about this when he had the #1 pick, not #3. This whole situation is gross. I'm about ready to ditch this team for good.
only 2 deals i would take  
nygiants16 : 6/21/2017 10:02 pm : link
booker 4 and future 1st for kp...

3 bkn first and brown for kp

Agreed, Ash  
Greg from LI : 6/21/2017 10:05 pm : link
I tried to be optimistic about Phil for as long as I could, but this is a joke. He's looking to trade an incredible and unique talent out of spite because KP didnt feel like meeting with him after that disaster of a season. How unbelievably petty.
Put aside what you think about KP  
Deej : 6/21/2017 10:06 pm : link
punk, spoiled, whatever. What Phil is doing is mismanagement regardless. Why be public about this. KP doesnt need motivation. He desires to be in a non-shitshow situation where the decrepit team president isnt sitting in a perch heckling the players like Statler and Waldorf. So Phil heckles more. What's the end game? What is the upside for Phil?

Shitty manager.
At this point you can't blame KP for not wanting to appease Phil and  
Jim in Hoboken : 6/21/2017 10:12 pm : link
the Knicks. Someone posted a picture of him smiling and reacting to the trade rumor yesterday. Hell, I'd be smiling too if I can get away from the abomination that Phil has helped to create.

Rose and Melo have fans around the league and players look at how they have been treated here, honestly who would want to come here?

I'm going to rush home from work tomorrow and just to see the Knicks turn down talents like Smith and Monk for a role player like Frenchy....I'm going to be fucking sick.

Phil said no player of his ever blew off an exit interview.  
bceagle05 : 6/21/2017 10:15 pm : link
Turns out Shaq did - Tommy Beer just posted the article.
Can't get pissed until u see Frenchy play  
Carl in CT : 6/21/2017 10:18 pm : link
I wanted Muiday and when they picked KP I was crushed. Give it at least until the summer league. 😄
I'm going to quit watching the NBA if they trade KP.  
Mike from SI : 6/21/2017 10:19 pm : link
Seriously I'm done.
RE: Phil said no player of his ever blew off an exit interview.  
Anakim : 6/21/2017 10:19 pm : link
In comment 13507026 bceagle05 said:
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Turns out Shaq did - Tommy Beer just posted the article.


Someone want to check Phil for senility?
RE: At this point you can't blame KP for not wanting to appease Phil and  
nygiants16 : 6/21/2017 10:21 pm : link
In comment 13507018 Jim in Hoboken said:
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the Knicks. Someone posted a picture of him smiling and reacting to the trade rumor yesterday. Hell, I'd be smiling too if I can get away from the abomination that Phil has helped to create.

Rose and Melo have fans around the league and players look at how they have been treated here, honestly who would want to come here?

I'm going to rush home from work tomorrow and just to see the Knicks turn down talents like Smith and Monk for a role player like Frenchy....I'm going to be fucking sick.


how can you possibly know what frank will be in the nba?
.  
Anakim : 6/21/2017 10:23 pm : link
NBA Central‏ @TheNBACentral
Report: Clippers have spoken to the Pistons about a DeAndre Jordan - Andre Drummond swap.
I know Frenchy won't be on Porzingis' level  
Greg from LI : 6/21/2017 10:26 pm : link
I feel rock-solid saying that.
RE: We all love KP..  
Enzo : 6/21/2017 10:31 pm : link
In comment 13506935 Sean said:
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but let's admit he has been a spoiled punk. Him blowing off the exit interview was a joke & disrespecting arguably the greatest coach of all time in the sport is an awful look.

spoiled punk? That's a bunch of bullshit.
RE: Phil said no player of his ever blew off an exit interview.  
Enzo : 6/21/2017 10:33 pm : link
In comment 13507026 bceagle05 said:
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Turns out Shaq did - Tommy Beer just posted the article.

bahahaha. So either he's lying or he's losing his marbles. Either way, he sucks. And it's not like it was fucking Will Perdue or Mark Madsen missing a meeting. It was SHAQ.
whatever. Not much to  
Enzo : 6/21/2017 10:35 pm : link
be concerned about. This is totally how other franchises operate.
I don't think either 1 of these guys are making this situation better.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/21/2017 10:37 pm : link
Phil is letting his ego get in the way and KP is coming off as extremely entitled for someone who has ZERO professional accomplishments to speak of. I honestly believe Phil wants to build this team around KP, but these comments from Janis are problematic. The thing I find funny is Odell would get raked over the coals for pulling the same shit as KP. I wonder if Dolan steps in before everyone jumps off the damn bridge holding hands.

I would have no problem trading Porzingis tomorrow. But I would want a helluva lot more than what's being rumored. ONE player and ONE top 4 pick isn't remotely enough.

RE: We all love KP..  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/21/2017 10:41 pm : link
In comment 13506935 Sean said:
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but let's admit he has been a spoiled punk. Him blowing off the exit interview was a joke & disrespecting arguably the greatest coach of all time in the sport is an awful look.


What has Phil done in the last 3-4 years that would make you think he even knows what the hell he's doing?

And secondly, what constitutes him being a spoiled punk? Because he doesn't want to put up with this disorganized trash they put out as a basketball team any more than the fans do?
KP has a unique set of skills at his height. What's unique about  
Jim in Hoboken : 6/21/2017 10:45 pm : link
Frenchy is that he's being talked about as a top-10 pick without much of an offensive game to speak of. Aside from Dallas, who else has been linked to Frenchy?

There are maybe 5 players I'd trade KP for one-for-one right now. The least I'd consider for him would be 3 top-5 picks.
RE: KP has a unique set of skills at his height. What's unique about  
nygiants16 : 6/21/2017 10:48 pm : link
In comment 13507083 Jim in Hoboken said:
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Frenchy is that he's being talked about as a top-10 pick without much of an offensive game to speak of. Aside from Dallas, who else has been linked to Frenchy?

There are maybe 5 players I'd trade KP for one-for-one right now. The least I'd consider for him would be 3 top-5 picks.


5 players?

towns, davis, lebron, durant, curry, irving, westbrook, harden, kawhi, wall, giannis

hmm seems more than 5 players
I'm not really talking established stars who have less than 5 years  
Jim in Hoboken : 6/21/2017 10:56 pm : link
left at their peak.

Anyways, we should be collecting talent rather than focusing on "fit." Phil is about to run a generational talent out of town because he's not buying into the "team philosophy," what does that tell you about Phil and his priorities?
RE: Mavs moving up would mean that Isaac, Monk, Smith, Fox  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/22/2017 2:50 pm : link
In comment 13506354 Heisenberg said:
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make it to 8. Assuming they take Frank, that is.

Works for me.

One of those four is guaranteed to make it to 8 even if Dallas doesn't take Frank. Or Fultz, Ball, Jackson or Tatum will, but either way, Dallas doesn't need to move up to push anyone down. It does mean that two of them will be there at 8 though.
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