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Melo would be a Knick on opening night.

Melo if they can't find a taker. Just rip off the damn band aide once & for all.

Frenchy's "false" preference to be a Mav became a story. He's denied it but who cares? He's staying in Europe if drafted by the Knicks? He has no power here unless he doesn't want an NBA career.

just cut. Let Rose go, make a good pick at #8 and try to boost Melo's value during the first half of the year. Make a trade come deadline.

In comment 13505865 Ash_3 said:

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just cut. Let Rose go, make a good pick at #8 and try to boost Melo's value during the first half of the year. Make a trade come deadline.

100% not aimed at you but I don't understand why everyone is connecting the two. Melo is under contract, if they think they can garner value by holding onto him so be it (not my preference) but Rose is a FA. I wouldn't even talk to BJ Armstrong. I wouldn't take Rose back for 1 year 5. Move on.

thought they could still get Ball at 5 if teams were scared away. This was the right move from SAC unless they were in love with Ball.

I really dont want to just cut Melo. The idea that he has zero value around the league has to be overblown. He is not a bad basketball player. Sure the contract combined with the NTC makes it hard, but if melo really is willing to open up the list of teams then we should be able to make some sort of deal. Even the crap clippers deal would net us some future firsts.

In comment 13505872 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13505865 Ash_3 said: Quote: just cut. Let Rose go, make a good pick at #8 and try to boost Melo's value during the first half of the year. Make a trade come deadline. 100% not aimed at you but I don't understand why everyone is connecting the two. Melo is under contract, if they think they can garner value by holding onto him so be it (not my preference) but Rose is a FA. I wouldn't even talk to BJ Armstrong. I wouldn't take Rose back for 1 year 5. Move on.

Yea I feel you; just put letting Rose go as a key step in creating an environment where Melo and others can do well again.

maybe you can trade him at the deadline. He is most likely opting out after next year (even with his absurd salary). So some team might take a shot on him as a playoff booster. There is no benefit to cutting him unless you think he is so toxic to the roster that he does more bad then good. Based on how his teammates feel about him i have hard time thinking that is the case.

In comment 13505861 DanMetroMan said:

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Frenchy's "false" preference to be a Mav became a story. He's denied it but who cares? He's staying in Europe if drafted by the Knicks? He has no power here unless he doesn't want an NBA career.

it was a rumor started by chad ford

Rose is the epitome of a guy I don't want on the Knicks. A selfish, low IQ (at least as a player), non-verbal quitter who doesn't play defense. During my KP melt down yesterday one thing that stood out was the Knicks had 2 of the best rim protectors (by the numbers) in the entire league and yet the defense was still absolutely pathetic... I'm looking at you Rose, Melo etc. Move on.

In comment 13505859 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Melo if they can't find a taker. Just rip off the damn band aide once & for all.

Are you still a Knick fan or just more of a NBA fan now?

In comment 13505880 DanMetroMan said:

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Rose is the epitome of a guy I don't want on the Knicks. A selfish, low IQ (at least as a player), non-verbal quitter who doesn't play defense. During my KP melt down yesterday one thing that stood out was the Knicks had 2 of the best rim protectors (by the numbers) in the entire league and yet the defense was still absolutely pathetic... I'm looking at you Rose, Melo etc. Move on.

What a brutal offseason last year was. Clearly shows no plan in place.

if we have no other option. Rose makes no sense. He isnt going to be super cheap and he didnt work out well last year. Combine that with the fact that we are most likely taking a guard and it makes zero sense. Thats all we need is rose coming back and playing 35 minutes a night and Monk getting 10 minutes off the bench.

In comment 13505873 Italianju said:

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thought they could still get Ball at 5 if teams were scared away. This was the right move from SAC unless they were in love with Ball. I really dont want to just cut Melo. The idea that he has zero value around the league has to be overblown. He is not a bad basketball player. Sure the contract combined with the NTC makes it hard, but if melo really is willing to open up the list of teams then we should be able to make some sort of deal. Even the crap clippers deal would net us some future firsts.

I think Boston trading back with Philly when they did may have screwed the Lakers in this instance. Everything I've read says the Kings are in love with Fox. If Philadelphia is sitting there at 3 then maybe Sacramento feels the need to jump ahead of them to get their guy, but what is the point in moving up now? You know Boston isn't taking Fox and it's highly unlikely that the Suns do either. Sacramento can sit tight at 5 and still get their guy.

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In comment 13505859 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: Melo if they can't find a taker. Just rip off the damn band aide once & for all. Are you still a Knick fan or just more of a NBA fan now?

Dolan's incompetence, buffoonery, & general dickish behavior (if you disagree with him, you must be an alcoholic) has really soured me on the franchise. And it doesn't look like he's going anywhere anytime soon.

In comment 13505892 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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In comment 13505881 Sean said: Quote: In comment 13505859 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: Melo if they can't find a taker. Just rip off the damn band aide once & for all. Are you still a Knick fan or just more of a NBA fan now? Dolan's incompetence, buffoonery, & general dickish behavior (if you disagree with him, you must be an alcoholic) has really soured me on the franchise. And it doesn't look like he's going anywhere anytime soon.

I'm in the same spot. I hope it turns around but it's doubtful.

makes a ton of sense. I hope that happens, but doubt it. We have got to trade melo and move on. I'm not sure I'd cut him though.

can play well here and get along with the rest of the roster. In particular, he has a good relationship with KP. You do not sell this low, especially when it's clear he can play better.

Rose has shown no indication that he realizes he's only a 6th man caliber player at this point and he, especially as our lead guard, helped slow KP's development. He was the biggest toxin on our squad last year and is a sorry episode we should be moving on from.

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Dolan's incompetence, buffoonery, & general dickish behavior (if you disagree with him, you must be an alcoholic) has really soured me on the franchise. And it doesn't look like he's going anywhere anytime soon.

So true, but as Sean says above, last summer was just brutal, brutal for this franchise, and it went beyond Rose and Noah, just think if Jackson hadn't caved on the NTC for Melo. It is hard to think of a worse possible outcome to the actions Jackson took in 2016.

As far as the draft, I think JJ is going to turn out to be the stud of the 2017 class.

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makes a ton of sense. I hope that happens, but doubt it. We have got to trade melo and move on. I'm not sure I'd cut him though.

What in the world would 1 year as a 6th man do for Derrick Rose? He's given up on big minutes and contract?

MKG, Jeremy lamb, Cody zeller and #31.

Rose coming back for 1 year means the market didn't give him what he wanted so he comes back at a reduced role and suddenly decides to play defense? Or does he maybe try and put up numbers at the cost of his team? Derrick Rose doesn't strike me as a guy who suddenly is going to be unselfish or decide at 28 years old he's now Jamal Crawford/Lou Williams.

on any deal makes no sense. The NYK need to stop allowing poison to destroy the franchise. By poison, I mean:

1 Selfish players (Rose, Melo)
2 Players that don't give def effort (Rose, Melo)
3 Irresponsible players i.e. don't carry out on court assignments and in addition, I'm not dismissing the AWOL as the NYK did (Rose)
4 Management with ulterior motives i.e. to get fired and collect paychecks for doing nothing (Jackson)
5 Decision makers with no understanding of the difference between what a player previously did in their careers and what they likely have left in the tank (Jackson)
6 General cloud of chaos that sits over the franchise (all involved), the same cloud that results in FAs staying away and the organization being a running joke and the worst in pro sports

struck me as an outside contender/option for Melo even before the Howard deal. I think they make sense.

Melo and KOQ for
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MKG, Jeremy lamb, Cody zeller and #31.

Have you forgotten the NTC? What makes you think he'd be inclined to waive it to go to a "no frills" franchise/city like Charlotte?

In comment 13505934 Pep22 said:

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Melo and KOQ for giantsfan44ab : 9:51 am : link : reply MKG, Jeremy lamb, Cody zeller and #31. Have you forgotten the NTC? What makes you think he'd be inclined to waive it to go to a "no frills" franchise/city like Charlotte?

Michael Jordan?

MJ has really made his mark there. Real mover and shaker in that role.

is Jordan brand and has been since 2004.

Walker, Howard, Batum, Melo, Kaminsky, Zeller, Lamb a highly respected coach. once you move away from the ELITE few teams the Hornets are one of the better options.

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MJ has really made his mark there. Real mover and shaker in that role.

MElo saying yes to charlotte seems much more likely than him saying yes to Portland. So it would entirely be him going to a "winning" situation. Better than any deal Washington could offer too. I think that hypothetical charlotte team could be a top 4-5 seed.

it'll be a desired city (i.e. MIA, CHI, LAC) or winning potential (only one remotely possible is CLE) or buy-out as far as how the Melo tenure ends.

In comment 13505859 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Melo if they can't find a taker. Just rip off the damn band aide once & for all.

i dont get this logic. The Nets got a #1 for Bogdanovic. If melo plays well next season, he should be able to be traded at the deadline for picks. Wasting assets is not a great idea.

has the Nets 2nd rounder (31st overall). I'd def be asking for that as part of any deal.

as an option for Melo?

Cuban flirts with most, if not all big names that surface. And you have to think Melo would welcome such a player-friendly owner.

Is there a potential fit here? Do they have any assets that could help the Knicks rebuild?

In comment 13505865 Ash_3 said:

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just cut. Let Rose go, make a good pick at #8 and try to boost Melo's value during the first half of the year. Make a trade come deadline.

^ thats what a good GM would do.

So they'll cut him and re-sign Rose. I hate this organization.

Period. just deal with it.

said he never worked out for knicks, just dinner and kps name never came up...

was some stat that Rubio passed the ball to Towns DOUBLE the amount that Rose passed to KP. Keep in mind Wiggins/Melo are both the #1 scorers on their teams that alone should tell you it's time to move on from Rose.

In comment 13505958 Chris684 said:

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as an option for Melo? Cuban flirts with most, if not all big names that surface. And you have to think Melo would welcome such a player-friendly owner. Is there a potential fit here? Do they have any assets that could help the Knicks rebuild?

They really don't have anything. I guess yogi Ferrell if they draft frank? Yogi is Cuban's pet project so not sure he'd part with him. Don't know how salaries would match.

has a good relationship with KP, and not just instrumentally. He can be a positive influence on a guy like KP, even if KP has a better motor. But you simply cannot have two ball dominant, potentially lazy defensive players in your starting lineup and expect that to help your franchise cornerstone.

In comment 13505957 DanMetroMan said:

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has the Nets 2nd rounder (31st overall). I'd def be asking for that as part of any deal.

Are we just making this up or is there some smoke/rumors about Charlotte?

In comment 13505970 Ash_3 said:

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has a good relationship with KP, and not just instrumentally. He can be a positive influence on a guy like KP, even if KP has a better motor. But you simply cannot have two ball dominant, potentially lazy defensive players in your starting lineup and expect that to help your franchise cornerstone.

That's the other thing. Melo seems to be well liked by his teammates (especially KP), whereas Rose doesn't even seem to be "part" of the team. KP essentially called him a mute.

In comment 13505972 Justlurking said:

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In comment 13505957 DanMetroMan said: Quote: has the Nets 2nd rounder (31st overall). I'd def be asking for that as part of any deal. Are we just making this up or is there some smoke/rumors about Charlotte?

Totally made up in light of the Howard deal

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In comment 13505972 Justlurking said:

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In comment 13505957 DanMetroMan said: Quote: has the Nets 2nd rounder (31st overall). I'd def be asking for that as part of any deal. Are we just making this up or is there some smoke/rumors about Charlotte?

It literally came out of my head 30 minutes ago. Don't get too hopeful.

love to find a way to land one of the 76ers second rounders, they are shopping them

building on that point, I'd like to add some mature, serious, competitive guys to this team by way of the draft (Frank Mason, Derrick White, Sindarious Thornwell, Dillon Brooks). Obviously none of that occurs at the 8 spot.

I think they're trying to force a buyout. Stephen A. Smith said talked buyout yesterday, but I didn't want to bring it up because it's, well, Stephen A. Smith.

I think Melo to CHA makes some sense. Kembas the first scoring option, Jordan connection and a really good coach. Melo could get out of NY for a year and then opt out and sign wherever he wants next summer. I'm a huge Melo fan but it's time to move on. Wait until after free agency to see if any teams who missed out on the big guys want Melo and you can get him to agree to a trade. If not then figure out a buy out. You can even try to repair the Knicks image a little by doing Melo a solid and letting him free. There's just no need to have him on this Knicks team moving forward.

Under no circumstances does it make sense to bring back Rose. Not even on the vet min. It was a failed experiment. Admit that and move on.