any minute now, someone is going to come along and bitch about how these guys weren't signed to cheap multi-year deals and that they'll be gone after the season.
Assuming the contracts comply with some other rules, the $775K salaries qualify for $160K of cap relief.
No surprise regarding Bryant and Ihenacho. Like Kelvin Sheppard, Josh Johnson and Bobby Rainey last year, they are marginal veterans who fit the profile for a qualifying one-year deal.
Taylor is weird. Although he disappointed as a three-down DE in 2016, his overall resume, age and health suggest more than a veteran-minimum player. Maybe his tape is worse than his stat line. There might be other issues. Or maybe, at 27, he sees a year in rotation with Pierre-Paul and Vernon as his best path to a bigger payday in 2018. That strategy could backfire if Odighizuwa re-establishes himself and joins Okwara and Moss behind the impressive starters.
I think Bryant's best shot - other than injuries to other DTs - would be that Tomlinson isn't ready for prime time. In that scenario, you're right: Bromley is the most likely victim, because Tomlinson will make the team whether he dresses on game day or not.
Bromley's edge is that, unlike his competitors, he at least looks the part of a three-technique DT. At some point, though, he needs to produce like one. Otherwise, Spagnuolo will have to manufacture a pass rush by moving DEs around.
As whatever the Giants thought they were getting when they drafted him.
We all know he hasn't done anything in his first two years, and that Year Three is off to an inauspicious start. As long as he's on the roster, though, I'll keep rooting for him - especially with everything he has overcome already.
If this is the end of the road for Owa - or if other DEs suffer setbacks - I'll be very glad Devin Taylor is on hand.
It would mean that our younger talent is showing promise. It's great to have experienced guys around for camp and just in case the younger guys don't pan out, but when you are talking about backup spots believe that special teams play will factor into decisions on who to keep. These older guys are not suddenly going to blossom into all pro caliber players. They all wouldn't have been sitting out there this long without contracts if they were on the cusp of really putting it all together. I'd much rather see us keep younger guys if they have better potential.
It would've been more encouraging if he had signed a one-year $3M deal. I wonder if there were other teams offering him a minimum deal, specifically those with much greater need at DE than Big Blue (like the Cowboys)? And if there were, why didn't he choose them over the Giants?
Logic says that the only reason a 27-year old former starter signs for the minimum one-year deal is because the league has decided he sucks and he figured his best shot at making a roster was with a team in which Wynn, Okwara, and Moss were his competition. The wishful thinkers of BBI can speculate on hypothetical reasons why it played out this way despite Taylor being a quality player, but money talks and bullshit walks.
The contracts suggest that all three of these guys are on the outside looking in when it comes to a roster spot. I wouldn't place any of them in my pre-camp 53 man roster projections. They are protection against camp injuries.
Damontre Moore signed a 2 year, $1,650,000 contract with the Dallas Cowboys, including a $100,000 signing bonus, $100,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $825,000. In 2017, Moore will earn a base salary of $775,000 and a signing bonus of $100,000, while carrying a cap hit of $825,000 and a dead cap value of $100,000.
Damontre Moore! A guy who's on his fifth team in five years, and only appeared in seven games over the past two years (11 total tackles, 1.5 sacks).
"Damontre Moore signed a 2 year, $1,650,000 contract with the Dallas Cowboys, including a $100,000 signing bonus, $100,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $825,000. In 2017, Moore will earn a base salary of $775,000 and a signing bonus of $100,000, while carrying a cap hit of $825,000 and a dead cap value of $100,000."
Damontre Moore! A guy who's on his fifth team in five years, and only appeared in seven games over the past two years (11 total tackles, 1.5 sacks).
Something's not right.
In Devin Taylor's shoes, I would much rather have his contract than Moore's. Taylor is a UFA next spring; Moore is committed for another year at the veteran minimum salary. Moore gets a bit more cash this year, but the difference is pretty trivial. Taylor's one-year deal lets him cash in if he produces in 2017. That's not so improbable, considering the numbers he managed as a role player in 2015.
Of course, for Moore the $100K up front is quite important...
...because his track record suggests he probably won't last very long.
As for the prospects of a player on a qualifying deal making the team, Johnson, Sheppard and Rainey did it last year. Three seems about average, based on recent history.
2016: Johnson, Sheppard, Rainey (plus Gould and Bullock as fill-ins)
2015: Dahl, Brinkley (plus Nicks and Cofield)
2014: Patterson, Bowman, Jerry, Fells (plus a long list of fill-ins)
2013: Brown, Patterson, Mundy, Murphy, Boothe, Conner, etc.
2012: Rogers, Carr, Blackburn, etc.
2011: Bernard, Carr, Kennedy, Ugoh, Blackmon, Tollefson, and - most famously - Blackburn.
You get the point. As the team's cap situation has improved, the reliance on veteran castoffs has lessened a bit. But these guys have a very real shot, especially as injuries hit.
Taylor seem Ayers like in his strengths (obviously not on the same lev
As for the prospects of a player on a qualifying deal making the team, Johnson, Sheppard and Rainey did it last year. Three seems about average, based on recent history.
2016: Johnson, Sheppard, Rainey (plus Gould and Bullock as fill-ins)
2015: Dahl, Brinkley (plus Nicks and Cofield)
2014: Patterson, Bowman, Jerry, Fells (plus a long list of fill-ins)
2013: Brown, Patterson, Mundy, Murphy, Boothe, Conner, etc.
2012: Rogers, Carr, Blackburn, etc.
2011: Bernard, Carr, Kennedy, Ugoh, Blackmon, Tollefson, and - most famously - Blackburn.
Good research, thanks!
The value these players bring is their experience. You're not expecting big plays out of them, but you also don't expect rookie mistakes (unfortunately that wasn't the case with Rainey in Green Bay). In an ideal situation they are beaten out by a youngster with more potential, but you sign them knowing the ideal situation isn't always realized.
Of the three, Devin Taylor is the most curious. Moreso for his interest in the Giants than the Giants interest in him. For the subsidized league minimum I'm not sure why every team in the league wouldn't want him on their 90-man training camp roster, so why did he choose the Giants? Was it because of the style of defense they play (and their willingness to line up four DEs in passing situations) or was it the camp competition he would be facing at the bottom of the depth chart?
RE: RE: Of course, for Moore the $100K up front is quite important...
Of the three, Devin Taylor is the most curious. Moreso for his interest in the Giants than the Giants interest in him. For the subsidized league minimum I'm not sure why every team in the league wouldn't want him on their 90-man training camp roster, so why did he choose the Giants? Was it because of the style of defense they play (and their willingness to line up four DEs in passing situations) or was it the camp competition he would be facing at the bottom of the depth chart?
I agree the Taylor signing is a bit mysterious. My take - he thought he was worth $7MM, didn't get an offer close, then realized his opportunities were very limited and chose to play out the year for FA. But picking the Giants is probably (IMO) due to the talent on the DL. It's likely he will face NO double teams on this talented DL when he gets in the game.
I kind of think he might be beaten out by Wynn though. I'm not as down on Wynn as others on BBI.
Good job Jerry Reese!
The post-FA signings for veterans around that experience level all seem to be 1-year, $775,000 deals.
Giants signed DE Devin Taylor to a minimum salary deal several weeks back. It only includes $40K gtd. Can be "great signing" per source
No surprise regarding Bryant and Ihenacho. Like Kelvin Sheppard, Josh Johnson and Bobby Rainey last year, they are marginal veterans who fit the profile for a qualifying one-year deal.
Taylor is weird. Although he disappointed as a three-down DE in 2016, his overall resume, age and health suggest more than a veteran-minimum player. Maybe his tape is worse than his stat line. There might be other issues. Or maybe, at 27, he sees a year in rotation with Pierre-Paul and Vernon as his best path to a bigger payday in 2018. That strategy could backfire if Odighizuwa re-establishes himself and joins Okwara and Moss behind the impressive starters.
Bromley's edge is that, unlike his competitors, he at least looks the part of a three-technique DT. At some point, though, he needs to produce like one. Otherwise, Spagnuolo will have to manufacture a pass rush by moving DEs around.
That strategy could backfire if Odighizuwa re-establishes himself and joins Okwara and Moss behind the impressive starters.
Re-establishes himself as what exactly?
We all know he hasn't done anything in his first two years, and that Year Three is off to an inauspicious start. As long as he's on the roster, though, I'll keep rooting for him - especially with everything he has overcome already.
If this is the end of the road for Owa - or if other DEs suffer setbacks - I'll be very glad Devin Taylor is on hand.
;-)
HA! Same ... I read the thread title and got all happy.
DUKE!!!
Giants signed DE Devin Taylor to a minimum salary deal several weeks back. It only includes $40K gtd. Can be "great signing" per source
$40k guaranteed?
Is that real?
I recall him flashing more than once...spoke to a few Skins fans that I work with...they wanted him brought back in Washington
They all felt like it was a good pick up by The Giants
Logic says that the only reason a 27-year old former starter signs for the minimum one-year deal is because the league has decided he sucks and he figured his best shot at making a roster was with a team in which Wynn, Okwara, and Moss were his competition. The wishful thinkers of BBI can speculate on hypothetical reasons why it played out this way despite Taylor being a quality player, but money talks and bullshit walks.
The contracts suggest that all three of these guys are on the outside looking in when it comes to a roster spot. I wouldn't place any of them in my pre-camp 53 man roster projections. They are protection against camp injuries.
Damontre Moore! A guy who's on his fifth team in five years, and only appeared in seven games over the past two years (11 total tackles, 1.5 sacks).
Something's not right.
Damontre Moore! A guy who's on his fifth team in five years, and only appeared in seven games over the past two years (11 total tackles, 1.5 sacks).
Something's not right.
As for the prospects of a player on a qualifying deal making the team, Johnson, Sheppard and Rainey did it last year. Three seems about average, based on recent history.
2016: Johnson, Sheppard, Rainey (plus Gould and Bullock as fill-ins)
2015: Dahl, Brinkley (plus Nicks and Cofield)
2014: Patterson, Bowman, Jerry, Fells (plus a long list of fill-ins)
2013: Brown, Patterson, Mundy, Murphy, Boothe, Conner, etc.
2012: Rogers, Carr, Blackburn, etc.
2011: Bernard, Carr, Kennedy, Ugoh, Blackmon, Tollefson, and - most famously - Blackburn.
You get the point. As the team's cap situation has improved, the reliance on veteran castoffs has lessened a bit. But these guys have a very real shot, especially as injuries hit.
2016: Johnson, Sheppard, Rainey (plus Gould and Bullock as fill-ins)
2015: Dahl, Brinkley (plus Nicks and Cofield)
2014: Patterson, Bowman, Jerry, Fells (plus a long list of fill-ins)
2013: Brown, Patterson, Mundy, Murphy, Boothe, Conner, etc.
2012: Rogers, Carr, Blackburn, etc.
2011: Bernard, Carr, Kennedy, Ugoh, Blackmon, Tollefson, and - most famously - Blackburn.
The value these players bring is their experience. You're not expecting big plays out of them, but you also don't expect rookie mistakes (unfortunately that wasn't the case with Rainey in Green Bay). In an ideal situation they are beaten out by a youngster with more potential, but you sign them knowing the ideal situation isn't always realized.
Of the three, Devin Taylor is the most curious. Moreso for his interest in the Giants than the Giants interest in him. For the subsidized league minimum I'm not sure why every team in the league wouldn't want him on their 90-man training camp roster, so why did he choose the Giants? Was it because of the style of defense they play (and their willingness to line up four DEs in passing situations) or was it the camp competition he would be facing at the bottom of the depth chart?
Of the three, Devin Taylor is the most curious. Moreso for his interest in the Giants than the Giants interest in him. For the subsidized league minimum I'm not sure why every team in the league wouldn't want him on their 90-man training camp roster, so why did he choose the Giants? Was it because of the style of defense they play (and their willingness to line up four DEs in passing situations) or was it the camp competition he would be facing at the bottom of the depth chart?
I agree the Taylor signing is a bit mysterious. My take - he thought he was worth $7MM, didn't get an offer close, then realized his opportunities were very limited and chose to play out the year for FA. But picking the Giants is probably (IMO) due to the talent on the DL. It's likely he will face NO double teams on this talented DL when he gets in the game.
I kind of think he might be beaten out by Wynn though. I'm not as down on Wynn as others on BBI.