Certainly implies one of them is the lone wolf or at least contemplates taking action on their own. But Bran and Arya are also still alive. Can't see Bran not supporting Jon against the others so maybe Sansa is struggling with joining them or seeking revenge.
She deserved all that Ramsay did to her, and it would have been a shame for Jon to have helped her ass in the first place. I don't foresee that happening however, if it did, I'm sure Arrya would repay her Sister at some point.. could you imagine that!
His buddy Thoros of Myr has been pulling that trick with the flaming sword for ages.
The "lone wolf dies" line is not Sansa saying that she's going to turn on Jon. It's her saying that they need to stick together against the coming shitstorm.
Also, looks like a heck of a battle is coming between the Unsullied and the Lannister army.
Who gets Dani this season? Jorah ( finally)
Tyrion Yara Davos Jon?
How about Jamie, as part of him finally turning on Cersei?
There really aren't many worthy men left in Westeros, outside of Jamie and Jon Snow
I haven't read any of the books but my prediction is that Jaime is the one who kills Cersei. When Cersei realizes that all is lost she will order the city to be burned just as the mad king did before Jaime was forced to kill him. She will give the order to destroy the remainder of the city using the last of the dragon fire with the intent to take out as much of Khaleesi's army with her. Then Jaime will be captured and spared by Tyrion who will try to convince Jaime to join them for a few episodes. Jaime won't agree until the final battle versus the dead army.
no power, no family, no wealth yet his cunning and deceit are what keeps him ahead of the game. He's the most impressive character in the series to me.
no power, no family, no wealth yet his cunning and deceit are what keeps him ahead of the game. He's the most impressive character in the series to me.
I would argue that Varys' ascent is equally as impressive. At least he stands for the realm instead of his own personal gain.
That's my impression as well. She strikes me as someone who's capable of good, but only when it aligns with her conditions and self interest. She doesn't seem to be an advocate for it.
How much has she changed from the little girl who had a crush on Joffrey even as some malignant traits of his personality were revealed?
to The Ringer's binge mode podcast? An episode for each of the 60 episodes so far. Enjoying the detail level and some pieces of the back story that I may have missed or forgotten. I'd recommend it
He also was instrumental in Neds death. His father was used to attack Bran and he did marry Sansa off to Ramsey.
Yup the fact he sold out Ned has been forgotten for a while, but he deserves his comeuppance from the Starks if/when that gets brought to light. But on the flip side, he saved the day in the battle of the bastards...even though his motive for doing so wasn't pure
He's definitely a good character, as the alternate scheming guy who doesn't really have a side in the fight. Easy to dislike, but adds a good layer beyond good guys/bad guys dichotomy
I don't think we've seen him since his Tower of Joy flashback where he learned Jon's true identity. I wonder if he'll be involved in taking down the wall. If the popular theory is correct, once he passes the wall, that will nullify the Wall's magic and allow the knights King and all the white walkers to cross to wall.
Left Bran and Mira at the Wall last season. They are on their way south to Winterfell. Then there is Arya who said she was going home(before she made the Frey Pies and killed the old fucker).It doesn't mean she is headed for Winterfell. Arya may not look like herself and not give herself away now that she knows how to wear the masks.
BTW Arya's Kill List after Season 6..
Cersei
The Mountain
Ilyn Payne all at Kings landing.
Thoros
Beric
The Hound
The Red Woman(At least she was headed that way)
All in the Riverlands.
I think she is good for three kills this season.
Thoros and Beric Ilyn Payne(executioner).
Does Ayra kill Sansa? Don't think the former happens but that would be cool.
I'm wondering what draws Jon north of the wall again. Doesn't appear to be leading an army and certainly he knows a massive army is required. Is he 'called' by Bran?
Who Davos risked his life to save. He is still on that island, I don't know when he will return. He is the last true Baratheon, hope it comes to light at some point, probably towards the end of the series, he doesn't need to play a big part in the rest of the story.
Does Ayra kill Sansa? Don't think the former happens but that would be cool.
I'm wondering what draws Jon north of the wall again. Doesn't appear to be leading an army and certainly he knows a massive army is required. Is he 'called' by Bran?
rumor has it
He is Capturing a White Walker to show the other houses. Thats why he is with Tormund. Although at this point Tormund is Johns Body Guard (second).
Who Davos risked his life to save. He is still on that island, I don't know when he will return. He is the last true Baratheon, hope it comes to light at some point, probably towards the end of the series, he doesn't need to play a big part in the rest of the story.
He is heir to House Baratheon. Storms Landing is his.
I think we see him this season. And if Arya goes to the Riverlands Hot Pie!
Can't wait. Major props to the music that was used in the finale last year that was specially written for this show. It's already being ripped off in other movie previews I've noticed.
we are going to witness one hard hitting show after the other. There is a lot to tie up and not a lot of time to do it. I expect the budget to be on overdrive this last season split into two.
they've foreshadowed the heck out of Gendry in prior seasons
I suspect whoever the ruler is legitimizes him and makes him Lord of the Stormlands and head of House Baratheon in exchange for fealty. Now, I know there's honestly no real reason to do this as you don't need House Baratheon if you're Dany or Jon for example...but Gendry's continued existence as well as making him a Baratheon bastard is pretty much a Chekhov's gun here. That coupled with the show eliminating some of the other Baratheon bastards from the books...well there must be some reason for it.
By the way I'm talking show only. If Gendry or someone else is legitimized in the books and made head of House Baratheon in exchange for military support there will be a damn good reason for it. In the show...well who knows.
we are going to witness one hard hitting show after the other. There is a lot to tie up and not a lot of time to do it. I expect the budget to be on overdrive this last season split into two.
I agree. I just hope they don't rush through things. If climactic story arc resolutions are to happen, I hope they aren't 8-minute scenes at the ends of episodes.
would sort of tie a a huge piece that set this story in motion together. Remember Gendry was first found by Lord Arryn before he was poisoned in his quest of showing the illegitimacy of Roberts supposed kids (Joffery, Myrcela, and Tommen), and Then found again and by Arryn's succesor in Ned Stark. Ned and Arryn lost their lives trying to prove the Lannister incest and illegitimacy of their kids. It would be fitting that despite Cersei's efforts to kill all Baratheon bastards for her own kids sake, that Gendry outlasts them all in the end.
would sort of tie a a huge piece that set this story in motion together. Remember Gendry was first found by Lord Arryn before he was poisoned in his quest of showing the illegitimacy of Roberts supposed kids (Joffery, Myrcela, and Tommen), and Then found again and by Arryn's succesor in Ned Stark. Ned and Arryn lost their lives trying to prove the Lannister incest and illegitimacy of their kids. It would be fitting that despite Cersei's efforts to kill all Baratheon bastards for her own kids sake, that Gendry outlasts them all in the end.
Joffrey killed all of the Baratheon bastards. Not Cersei.
we are going to witness one hard hitting show after the other. There is a lot to tie up and not a lot of time to do it. I expect the budget to be on overdrive this last season split into two.
I agree. I just hope they don't rush through things. If climactic story arc resolutions are to happen, I hope they aren't 8-minute scenes at the ends of episodes.
I agree but as I keep saying the original intention was to have 7 seasons for 7 books according to the writers. Really this season plus next year is a bonus in that context as we are getting more episodes in a season than we typically would. It won't be perfect. With so many storylines to tie up there will be times where it's uneven or feels rushed. It's also likely the most epic thing we've ever seen on screen.
Just re-watched season 6 in preparation for the new season..
we are going to witness one hard hitting show after the other. There is a lot to tie up and not a lot of time to do it. I expect the budget to be on overdrive this last season split into two.
I agree. I just hope they don't rush through things. If climactic story arc resolutions are to happen, I hope they aren't 8-minute scenes at the ends of episodes.
I agree but as I keep saying the original intention was to have 7 seasons for 7 books according to the writers. Really this season plus next year is a bonus in that context as we are getting more episodes in a season than we typically would. It won't be perfect. With so many storylines to tie up there will be times where it's uneven or feels rushed. It's also likely the most epic thing we've ever seen on screen.
We go back and forth on this a lot, but one note that needs to be raised is the popularity spike from season 1. Its my opinion that if they did in fact plan on 7 seasons, they did so prior to knowing the overwhelming success the show became (it's gone from 2.5 in season 1 to a 5.0 is season 3 and a 7.7 in season 6). It is also my opinion that their pacing is all over the place as a result of 1. stringing out the content as far as they can and 2. Trying to walk a fine line between finishing the show and GRRM's book timeline (which now looks completely irrelevant).
I'm certainly not the only one who has noticed the stark turn in pacing the last couple of seasons so I think its a legitimate question moving forward.
I sure hope not. That is one of the "mysteries" left that I will be watching for this season. I hope they didn't spoil it in the trailer.
My money is on Jamie for the Lord of Light. Jon and Dany are too obvious.
How about The Hound? Tie into all his history & issues with fire.
There is alot of good canidates for the Lord of Light - including the Hound and Jaime. It could be anyone with a good baskstory that can swing a sword - Gendry, Brienne, Jorah Mormont, Theon, Pod? Grey Worm? and of course the favorites Jon & Dany.
I'm guessing Jaime sine his character arc seems to mirror Azor's story of creating 'lightbringer'. But Jorah also is interesting. Could he plunge longclaw into Dany's heart at the end to complete his transition? Her Targareon blood could certainly cause the sword to burst into flames.
Or maybe the Lord of Light is just a red herring of sorts to keep some characters hanging on some false prophecy.
RE: If Gendry does return and survives until the end
I suspect whoever the ruler is legitimizes him and makes him Lord of the Stormlands and head of House Baratheon in exchange for fealty. Now, I know there's honestly no real reason to do this as you don't need House Baratheon if you're Dany or Jon for example...but Gendry's continued existence as well as making him a Baratheon bastard is pretty much a Chekhov's gun here. That coupled with the show eliminating some of the other Baratheon bastards from the books...well there must be some reason for it.
By the way I'm talking show only. If Gendry or someone else is legitimized in the books and made head of House Baratheon in exchange for military support there will be a damn good reason for it. In the show...well who knows.
I don't know about that. The one thing the show has done is shine a light on all of the extraneous stuff in the books. Stuff like Jon Connington and Aegon. Or Quentyn Martel. Red herrings completely excised for the show. There are a bunch of those.
In a wheelchair now apparently as well. Amazing how they had a random wheelchair waiting for him wherever he is...but yeah.
That shot of Bran makes it look like he is back in Winterfell, by the tree in the Godswood. was that Davos in the foreground with his back to the camera?
In that one shot of Greyworm, you can se a small cave entrance he seem to be heading toward. Later you can see a small group of unsullied opening gates for a large force. My guess is this is Casterly Rock and Tyrion provided info on a secret entrance he used as a child to sneek out from time to time.
It looks like Euron is bringing hell to his niece and nephew. I can't wait for those naval scenes.
I also can't wait to see Jon's envoy up north. It'll probably be toward the end of the season but looks intense. I know Tormond will be with him, but who else? Berick and the Hound? Brienne? Gendrey?
Ugh It going to be long 3 weeks of waiting followed by a very quick 7 weeks.
we are going to witness one hard hitting show after the other. There is a lot to tie up and not a lot of time to do it. I expect the budget to be on overdrive this last season split into two.
I agree. I just hope they don't rush through things. If climactic story arc resolutions are to happen, I hope they aren't 8-minute scenes at the ends of episodes.
I agree but as I keep saying the original intention was to have 7 seasons for 7 books according to the writers. Really this season plus next year is a bonus in that context as we are getting more episodes in a season than we typically would. It won't be perfect. With so many storylines to tie up there will be times where it's uneven or feels rushed. It's also likely the most epic thing we've ever seen on screen.
We go back and forth on this a lot, but one note that needs to be raised is the popularity spike from season 1. Its my opinion that if they did in fact plan on 7 seasons, they did so prior to knowing the overwhelming success the show became (it's gone from 2.5 in season 1 to a 5.0 is season 3 and a 7.7 in season 6). It is also my opinion that their pacing is all over the place as a result of 1. stringing out the content as far as they can and 2. Trying to walk a fine line between finishing the show and GRRM's book timeline (which now looks completely irrelevant).
I'm certainly not the only one who has noticed the stark turn in pacing the last couple of seasons so I think its a legitimate question moving forward.
I'll admit the pacing was off in Season 5 (It ended strong) and there was an episode or two in Season 6 where it was off as well(much better overall however) but I don't think you can accurately gage what their intentions were nor do you even have the material to compare it to in the books to know anyway. Of course, the seasons were going to move a bit slower in the beginning as the focus was always going to be on developing the characters and of course, the pace was always going to pick up in the later seasons. That's how it works.
They've also introduced new elements and new characters every season since the beginning to the point to where there must be 20 times more storylines than there were when we started with just the Starks and the Lannisters back in Season 1 so of course it was going to make things more difficult later on taking on such a massive scope. I don't think you give the writers near the credit they deserve for pulling something off of this scale and I think you are way too hung up on the books and the beginning seasons.
Season 4 is also almost universally regarded as the strongest season so the first half of everything we've seen wasn't even amongst the best.
in order and season 5 is still better than just about anything I've ever seen on TV. The bar is just so high at this point that the absolute floor of GOT is better than 99% of everything else out there. Griping all the time about it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
6 last season was great.
1 still the best written season
4 Very lannister driven season Purple Wedding,Tyrions Trial,Death of Tywin.
2 Battle of Blackwater alone makes this a great season Red Witch unleashes the PMS monster..
5 hated the Deaths of Jon and Stanis Burning his daughter was too much.
3 Red Wedding was by far the best episode very Stark driven season.Jon joins the Wildlings, Rob makes the wrong choices.
about season 1, best written by a mile. My problem isn't the books it's how the writing has changed from earlier in the series to now. Clear change of direction IMO. Certain characters are just written differently and it's noticeable.
about season 1, best written by a mile. My problem isn't the books it's how the writing has changed from earlier in the series to now. Clear change of direction IMO. Certain characters are just written differently and it's noticeable.
Or the characters change over time and are no longer the same people? I dont know man. It just seems like once the season starts you're looking for ammo to complain over the last few years. All good though man.
Agree about the writing. The acting, the score, the overall production quality were also noticeably better (sans the "battle" scenes which really didn't make it on screen). I know my opinion is probably now in the minority.
To me the writing got weak with plot holes after they ran out books to adapt and had to use his outlines and fill in the blanks themselves. You can also notice the dialogue became different after they ran out of books. The first 3 seasons in particular were steeped in grounded realism even if it was a fantasy. After that, in my opinion, it became like any other Hollywood production that relies on action, VFX, and some form of fan service over anything else.
6 last season was great.
1 still the best written season
4 Very lannister driven season Purple Wedding,Tyrions Trial,Death of Tywin.
2 Battle of Blackwater alone makes this a great season Red Witch unleashes the PMS monster..
5 hated the Deaths of Jon and Stanis Burning his daughter was too much.
3 Red Wedding was by far the best episode very Stark driven season.Jon joins the Wildlings, Rob makes the wrong choices.
I think you're under-representing season 3 here. It was much more than the Starks.
It Danaerys rapid growth of power in Slavers Bay, including the kickass scene in Astapour. She turned a ship with some sick Dothraki and her 3 young dragons unto a full army and council - including Sir Barrister. Its right up there with season 1 for Dany's mist interesting.
Also Tywin dominates Kings Landing, intimidating Joffrey and selling off Tyrion and Cerce to marriage. Plus we are introduced to Olena Tyrell.
Jaime gets his hand cut off, breaks down, and goes through major character changes.
Ramsey has a fantastic introduction and the torture scenes with Theon were well done.
We meet the Brotherhood and get a great Beric Dondarion vs Hound duel.
Plus the 5 great Stark stories and of course the build up and execution of the Red Wedding.
about season 1, best written by a mile. My problem isn't the books it's how the writing has changed from earlier in the series to now. Clear change of direction IMO. Certain characters are just written differently and it's noticeable.
Or the characters change over time and are no longer the same people? I dont know man. It just seems like once the season starts you're looking for ammo to complain over the last few years. All good though man.
Just the last 2 seasons and they are just my observations. why would I all of a sudden feel differently about a show I used to hold above almost everything else? I'm a fan of countless other shows, many discussed on BBI. Some I love some I think had a sharp decline in quality (Bloodline for example). Game of Thrones isn't above criticism.
And no, it isn't because the characters changed, it's the writers taking short cuts and turning it more into a soap opera because "winter is coming".
To me the writing got weak with plot holes after they ran out books to adapt and had to use his outlines and fill in the blanks themselves. You can also notice the dialogue became different after they ran out of books. The first 3 seasons in particular were steeped in grounded realism even if it was a fantasy. After that, in my opinion, it became like any other Hollywood production that relies on action, VFX, and some form of fan service over anything else.
I'll rewatch the series one day but that sounds about right though it may have kicked in for me in season 4.
6 last season was great.
1 still the best written season
4 Very lannister driven season Purple Wedding,Tyrions Trial,Death of Tywin.
2 Battle of Blackwater alone makes this a great season Red Witch unleashes the PMS monster..
5 hated the Deaths of Jon and Stanis Burning his daughter was too much.
3 Red Wedding was by far the best episode very Stark driven season.Jon joins the Wildlings, Rob makes the wrong choices.
I think you're under-representing season 3 here. It was much more than the Starks.
It Danaerys rapid growth of power in Slavers Bay, including the kickass scene in Astapour. She turned a ship with some sick Dothraki and her 3 young dragons unto a full army and council - including Sir Barrister. Its right up there with season 1 for Dany's mist interesting.
Also Tywin dominates Kings Landing, intimidating Joffrey and selling off Tyrion and Cerce to marriage. Plus we are introduced to Olena Tyrell.
Jaime gets his hand cut off, breaks down, and goes through major character changes.
Ramsey has a fantastic introduction and the torture scenes with Theon were well done.
We meet the Brotherhood and get a great Beric Dondarion vs Hound duel.
Plus the 5 great Stark stories and of course the build up and execution of the Red Wedding.
Season 3 was a let down after the action of season 2.
the worst of the the series. Even though it fill the plot out. If you take out the Red Wedding the episodes are boring to say the least. Hated the whole REEK thing.
Dani Mysa thing was boring too. Best part was when she killed the idiot who thought she could not understand him.
Jon with Mance and becoming a Wildling with ygritte was not exciting(other than you know nothing Jon Snow).
I find the cinematography and VFX incredibly good for a TV show. Those people work really hard and I applaud them for it. It is incredible some of the VFX they can put out in a 55 minute TV episode. The acting is good too. I view Kit Harington as probably the single most improved actor I've ever seen in the span of a single TV series. He went from being poor, to, what I think you can make an argument for as top 3 actor on the show going into season 7. I mean now they're even talking about him being James Bond in the future.
Where my issue is, is with the adapters themselves. I don't like some of the decision making by Benioff and Weiss. I do respect them for taking this on. The author himself has said he sought to write something unfilmable when writing this and I know it's not easy, especially now that they have to use outlines. But I just don't think they're as good writers as the author of the books and I'm not a fan of the way they pace the episodes or seasons out. Especially since season 5.
There are a bunch of "Rankings" out there and I know it's all just opinion but I dont think I can find a single article that had Season 1 ranked best and 6 the worst. 5 is universally considered the worst though. Here's one of them.... Oh well who cares. lol. They are all good IMO and the last season ended on a ridiculously high note. Link - ( New Window )
of the 2nd trailer. Some good insight and speculation. The clues in each shot gives a decent bit of insight into what should be coming. So some of it could be considered mild spoilers.
The Hound and Beric together again, north of the wall has me so excited. The theories on what they're doing up there are pretty interesting. Link - ( New Window )
I view Kit Harington as probably the single most improved actor I've ever seen in the span of a single TV series. He went from being poor, to, what I think you can make an argument for as top 3 actor on the show going into season 7. I mean now they're even talking about him being James Bond in the future.
Did Roger Moore, George Lazenby, Timothy Dalton and Pierce Brosnan really set the bar that high? After Connery, the role hasn't required much more than a tux, an accent an a sly grin. (Daniel Craig dispensed with the grin.) Harrington would be fine. So would a thousand other Brits.
I haven't noticed a ton of growth in Harrington. His anguished on-on-one with Sansa in Season Six sounded a lot like his anguished one-on-one with Tyrion in Season One. Mostly, I think the stakes are much higher now: he's fighting to save the world, not just to earn his family's respect.
Movie and you will see why Kitt would be a great Bond. Kitt was very good last season and carries scenes now than before. Looking forward to his meeting Dani who should have great chemistry together.
IMO. Doesn't have the It factor that Connery and Craig have/had and isn't nearly as good an actor. The next Bond is going to be in 4 or 5 films, do you really want to see Kit Harrington that many times making the same stupid faces?
He's fine for Jon Snow but he can't carry a movie let alone a franchise as big as Bond.
and thank goodness. I hated him and then I saw the Night Manager which made me hate himmslightly less at first but then he did the same smile and breath exhale combo every 30 seconds and lost me completely. He'd be a horrible Bond.
I want a somewhat no name that they can build off of. The villain from "Happy Valley" could be a decent choice.
Kingsmen was not a better movie? More structured and intelligent. Thats what they need to do with Bond its 2017 not 1962. Modernize the Spy role. Or shoot it in the 60s Cold War environment.
I liked it better than Casino Royale from a visual standpoint. Kingsman was good too but make 3 more of them and they will start to get stale.
Hardy, Elba, etc are all too old. And last I heard on Hiddelston was that Barbara Broccoli essentially said he was a pussy. Unless that changed than Hiddelston isn't the next Bond.
I liked it better than Casino Royale from a visual standpoint. Kingsman was good too but make 3 more of them and they will start to get stale.
Hardy, Elba, etc are all too old. And last I heard on Hiddelston was that Barbara Broccoli essentially said he was a pussy. Unless that changed than Hiddelston isn't the next Bond.
I agree with a lot of this article. Bond should be more fun. LINK - ( New Window )
Game of Thrones Season 7: #WinterIsHere Trailer #2 - ( New Window )
Interesting.
Certainly implies one of them is the lone wolf or at least contemplates taking action on their own. But Bran and Arya are also still alive. Can't see Bran not supporting Jon against the others so maybe Sansa is struggling with joining them or seeking revenge.
That's a given. I'm torn between hoping Cersei or Little Finger dies first.
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That's a given. I'm torn between hoping Cersei or Little Finger dies first.
LOL. I know I'm most likely not gonna get my wish, but I want Cersei to f#<k everybody up. Well except Tyrian & Arya.
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Tyrion Yara Davos Jon?
Interesting.
Um, no. He lights his sword on fire in the books.
Actually, no. I just HOPE that to be the case.
Interesting.
Um, no. He lights his sword on fire in the books.
The "lone wolf dies" line is not Sansa saying that she's going to turn on Jon. It's her saying that they need to stick together against the coming shitstorm.
Also, looks like a heck of a battle is coming between the Unsullied and the Lannister army.
Tyrion Yara Davos Jon?
How about Jamie, as part of him finally turning on Cersei?
There really aren't many worthy men left in Westeros, outside of Jamie and Jon Snow
He's a conniving little weasel.
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Tyrion Yara Davos Jon?
How about Jamie, as part of him finally turning on Cersei?
There really aren't many worthy men left in Westeros, outside of Jamie and Jon Snow
I haven't read any of the books but my prediction is that Jaime is the one who kills Cersei. When Cersei realizes that all is lost she will order the city to be burned just as the mad king did before Jaime was forced to kill him. She will give the order to destroy the remainder of the city using the last of the dragon fire with the intent to take out as much of Khaleesi's army with her. Then Jaime will be captured and spared by Tyrion who will try to convince Jaime to join them for a few episodes. Jaime won't agree until the final battle versus the dead army.
How could you root *for* Littlefinger? He's a piece of shit. I hope Ghost tears his throat out.
I would argue that Varys' ascent is equally as impressive. At least he stands for the realm instead of his own personal gain.
Interesting.
I sure hope not. That is one of the "mysteries" left that I will be watching for this season. I hope they didn't spoil it in the trailer.
My money is on Jamie for the Lord of Light. Jon and Dany are too obvious.
Yeah, I forgot Beric lit his sword on fire, it just bursting into random flame looked magical in the preview however.
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Interesting.
I sure hope not. That is one of the "mysteries" left that I will be watching for this season. I hope they didn't spoil it in the trailer.
My money is on Jamie for the Lord of Light. Jon and Dany are too obvious.
How about The Hound? Tie into all his history & issues with fire.
That's my impression as well. She strikes me as someone who's capable of good, but only when it aligns with her conditions and self interest. She doesn't seem to be an advocate for it.
How much has she changed from the little girl who had a crush on Joffrey even as some malignant traits of his personality were revealed?
Hahaha brilliant!! Go get you some, Tormund!
Yup the fact he sold out Ned has been forgotten for a while, but he deserves his comeuppance from the Starks if/when that gets brought to light. But on the flip side, he saved the day in the battle of the bastards...even though his motive for doing so wasn't pure
He's definitely a good character, as the alternate scheming guy who doesn't really have a side in the fight. Easy to dislike, but adds a good layer beyond good guys/bad guys dichotomy
July 16th.
BTW Arya's Kill List after Season 6..
Cersei
The Mountain
Ilyn Payne all at Kings landing.
Thoros
Beric
The Hound
The Red Woman(At least she was headed that way)
All in the Riverlands.
I think she is good for three kills this season.
Thoros and Beric Ilyn Payne(executioner).
I'm wondering what draws Jon north of the wall again. Doesn't appear to be leading an army and certainly he knows a massive army is required. Is he 'called' by Bran?
He was sent rowing and has been missing
I'm wondering what draws Jon north of the wall again. Doesn't appear to be leading an army and certainly he knows a massive army is required. Is he 'called' by Bran?
rumor has it
He is Capturing a White Walker to show the other houses. Thats why he is with Tormund. Although at this point Tormund is Johns Body Guard (second).
He is heir to House Baratheon. Storms Landing is his.
I think we see him this season. And if Arya goes to the Riverlands Hot Pie!
By the way I'm talking show only. If Gendry or someone else is legitimized in the books and made head of House Baratheon in exchange for military support there will be a damn good reason for it. In the show...well who knows.
I agree. I just hope they don't rush through things. If climactic story arc resolutions are to happen, I hope they aren't 8-minute scenes at the ends of episodes.
Joffrey killed all of the Baratheon bastards. Not Cersei.
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we are going to witness one hard hitting show after the other. There is a lot to tie up and not a lot of time to do it. I expect the budget to be on overdrive this last season split into two.
I agree. I just hope they don't rush through things. If climactic story arc resolutions are to happen, I hope they aren't 8-minute scenes at the ends of episodes.
I agree but as I keep saying the original intention was to have 7 seasons for 7 books according to the writers. Really this season plus next year is a bonus in that context as we are getting more episodes in a season than we typically would. It won't be perfect. With so many storylines to tie up there will be times where it's uneven or feels rushed. It's also likely the most epic thing we've ever seen on screen.
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we are going to witness one hard hitting show after the other. There is a lot to tie up and not a lot of time to do it. I expect the budget to be on overdrive this last season split into two.
I agree. I just hope they don't rush through things. If climactic story arc resolutions are to happen, I hope they aren't 8-minute scenes at the ends of episodes.
I agree but as I keep saying the original intention was to have 7 seasons for 7 books according to the writers. Really this season plus next year is a bonus in that context as we are getting more episodes in a season than we typically would. It won't be perfect. With so many storylines to tie up there will be times where it's uneven or feels rushed. It's also likely the most epic thing we've ever seen on screen.
We go back and forth on this a lot, but one note that needs to be raised is the popularity spike from season 1. Its my opinion that if they did in fact plan on 7 seasons, they did so prior to knowing the overwhelming success the show became (it's gone from 2.5 in season 1 to a 5.0 is season 3 and a 7.7 in season 6). It is also my opinion that their pacing is all over the place as a result of 1. stringing out the content as far as they can and 2. Trying to walk a fine line between finishing the show and GRRM's book timeline (which now looks completely irrelevant).
I'm certainly not the only one who has noticed the stark turn in pacing the last couple of seasons so I think its a legitimate question moving forward.
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In comment 13506264 beatrixkiddo said:
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is Azor Ahai reincarnarte?...
Interesting.
I sure hope not. That is one of the "mysteries" left that I will be watching for this season. I hope they didn't spoil it in the trailer.
My money is on Jamie for the Lord of Light. Jon and Dany are too obvious.
How about The Hound? Tie into all his history & issues with fire.
There is alot of good canidates for the Lord of Light - including the Hound and Jaime. It could be anyone with a good baskstory that can swing a sword - Gendry, Brienne, Jorah Mormont, Theon, Pod? Grey Worm? and of course the favorites Jon & Dany.
I'm guessing Jaime sine his character arc seems to mirror Azor's story of creating 'lightbringer'. But Jorah also is interesting. Could he plunge longclaw into Dany's heart at the end to complete his transition? Her Targareon blood could certainly cause the sword to burst into flames.
Or maybe the Lord of Light is just a red herring of sorts to keep some characters hanging on some false prophecy.
By the way I'm talking show only. If Gendry or someone else is legitimized in the books and made head of House Baratheon in exchange for military support there will be a damn good reason for it. In the show...well who knows.
I don't know about that. The one thing the show has done is shine a light on all of the extraneous stuff in the books. Stuff like Jon Connington and Aegon. Or Quentyn Martel. Red herrings completely excised for the show. There are a bunch of those.
That shot of Bran makes it look like he is back in Winterfell, by the tree in the Godswood. was that Davos in the foreground with his back to the camera?
It looks like Euron is bringing hell to his niece and nephew. I can't wait for those naval scenes.
I also can't wait to see Jon's envoy up north. It'll probably be toward the end of the season but looks intense. I know Tormond will be with him, but who else? Berick and the Hound? Brienne? Gendrey?
Ugh It going to be long 3 weeks of waiting followed by a very quick 7 weeks.
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In comment 13507005 Mr. Bungle said:
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In comment 13506836 ZGiants98 said:
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we are going to witness one hard hitting show after the other. There is a lot to tie up and not a lot of time to do it. I expect the budget to be on overdrive this last season split into two.
I agree. I just hope they don't rush through things. If climactic story arc resolutions are to happen, I hope they aren't 8-minute scenes at the ends of episodes.
I agree but as I keep saying the original intention was to have 7 seasons for 7 books according to the writers. Really this season plus next year is a bonus in that context as we are getting more episodes in a season than we typically would. It won't be perfect. With so many storylines to tie up there will be times where it's uneven or feels rushed. It's also likely the most epic thing we've ever seen on screen.
We go back and forth on this a lot, but one note that needs to be raised is the popularity spike from season 1. Its my opinion that if they did in fact plan on 7 seasons, they did so prior to knowing the overwhelming success the show became (it's gone from 2.5 in season 1 to a 5.0 is season 3 and a 7.7 in season 6). It is also my opinion that their pacing is all over the place as a result of 1. stringing out the content as far as they can and 2. Trying to walk a fine line between finishing the show and GRRM's book timeline (which now looks completely irrelevant).
I'm certainly not the only one who has noticed the stark turn in pacing the last couple of seasons so I think its a legitimate question moving forward.
I'll admit the pacing was off in Season 5 (It ended strong) and there was an episode or two in Season 6 where it was off as well(much better overall however) but I don't think you can accurately gage what their intentions were nor do you even have the material to compare it to in the books to know anyway. Of course, the seasons were going to move a bit slower in the beginning as the focus was always going to be on developing the characters and of course, the pace was always going to pick up in the later seasons. That's how it works.
They've also introduced new elements and new characters every season since the beginning to the point to where there must be 20 times more storylines than there were when we started with just the Starks and the Lannisters back in Season 1 so of course it was going to make things more difficult later on taking on such a massive scope. I don't think you give the writers near the credit they deserve for pulling something off of this scale and I think you are way too hung up on the books and the beginning seasons.
Season 4 is also almost universally regarded as the strongest season so the first half of everything we've seen wasn't even amongst the best.
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in order and season 5 is still better than just about anything I've ever seen on TV. The bar is just so high at this point that the absolute floor of GOT is better than 99% of everything else out there. Griping all the time about it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
1 still the best written season
4 Very lannister driven season Purple Wedding,Tyrions Trial,Death of Tywin.
2 Battle of Blackwater alone makes this a great season Red Witch unleashes the PMS monster..
5 hated the Deaths of Jon and Stanis Burning his daughter was too much.
3 Red Wedding was by far the best episode very Stark driven season.Jon joins the Wildlings, Rob makes the wrong choices.
Or the characters change over time and are no longer the same people? I dont know man. It just seems like once the season starts you're looking for ammo to complain over the last few years. All good though man.
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1 still the best written season
4 Very lannister driven season Purple Wedding,Tyrions Trial,Death of Tywin.
2 Battle of Blackwater alone makes this a great season Red Witch unleashes the PMS monster..
5 hated the Deaths of Jon and Stanis Burning his daughter was too much.
3 Red Wedding was by far the best episode very Stark driven season.Jon joins the Wildlings, Rob makes the wrong choices.
I think you're under-representing season 3 here. It was much more than the Starks.
It Danaerys rapid growth of power in Slavers Bay, including the kickass scene in Astapour. She turned a ship with some sick Dothraki and her 3 young dragons unto a full army and council - including Sir Barrister. Its right up there with season 1 for Dany's mist interesting.
Also Tywin dominates Kings Landing, intimidating Joffrey and selling off Tyrion and Cerce to marriage. Plus we are introduced to Olena Tyrell.
Jaime gets his hand cut off, breaks down, and goes through major character changes.
Ramsey has a fantastic introduction and the torture scenes with Theon were well done.
We meet the Brotherhood and get a great Beric Dondarion vs Hound duel.
Plus the 5 great Stark stories and of course the build up and execution of the Red Wedding.
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about season 1, best written by a mile. My problem isn't the books it's how the writing has changed from earlier in the series to now. Clear change of direction IMO. Certain characters are just written differently and it's noticeable.
Or the characters change over time and are no longer the same people? I dont know man. It just seems like once the season starts you're looking for ammo to complain over the last few years. All good though man.
Just the last 2 seasons and they are just my observations. why would I all of a sudden feel differently about a show I used to hold above almost everything else? I'm a fan of countless other shows, many discussed on BBI. Some I love some I think had a sharp decline in quality (Bloodline for example). Game of Thrones isn't above criticism.
And no, it isn't because the characters changed, it's the writers taking short cuts and turning it more into a soap opera because "winter is coming".
I'll rewatch the series one day but that sounds about right though it may have kicked in for me in season 4.
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1 still the best written season
4 Very lannister driven season Purple Wedding,Tyrions Trial,Death of Tywin.
2 Battle of Blackwater alone makes this a great season Red Witch unleashes the PMS monster..
5 hated the Deaths of Jon and Stanis Burning his daughter was too much.
3 Red Wedding was by far the best episode very Stark driven season.Jon joins the Wildlings, Rob makes the wrong choices.
I think you're under-representing season 3 here. It was much more than the Starks.
It Danaerys rapid growth of power in Slavers Bay, including the kickass scene in Astapour. She turned a ship with some sick Dothraki and her 3 young dragons unto a full army and council - including Sir Barrister. Its right up there with season 1 for Dany's mist interesting.
Also Tywin dominates Kings Landing, intimidating Joffrey and selling off Tyrion and Cerce to marriage. Plus we are introduced to Olena Tyrell.
Jaime gets his hand cut off, breaks down, and goes through major character changes.
Ramsey has a fantastic introduction and the torture scenes with Theon were well done.
We meet the Brotherhood and get a great Beric Dondarion vs Hound duel.
Plus the 5 great Stark stories and of course the build up and execution of the Red Wedding.
Season 3 was a let down after the action of season 2.
the worst of the the series. Even though it fill the plot out. If you take out the Red Wedding the episodes are boring to say the least. Hated the whole REEK thing.
Dani Mysa thing was boring too. Best part was when she killed the idiot who thought she could not understand him.
Jon with Mance and becoming a Wildling with ygritte was not exciting(other than you know nothing Jon Snow).
Where my issue is, is with the adapters themselves. I don't like some of the decision making by Benioff and Weiss. I do respect them for taking this on. The author himself has said he sought to write something unfilmable when writing this and I know it's not easy, especially now that they have to use outlines. But I just don't think they're as good writers as the author of the books and I'm not a fan of the way they pace the episodes or seasons out. Especially since season 5.
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The Hound and Beric together again, north of the wall has me so excited. The theories on what they're doing up there are pretty interesting.
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I haven't noticed a ton of growth in Harrington. His anguished on-on-one with Sansa in Season Six sounded a lot like his anguished one-on-one with Tyrion in Season One. Mostly, I think the stakes are much higher now: he's fighting to save the world, not just to earn his family's respect.
He's fine for Jon Snow but he can't carry a movie let alone a franchise as big as Bond.
He is already better then the last 4 bonds.
I'd be down for Elba but he's older and there's no point in casting a new Bond for just 1 or 2 movies.
I'd be down for Elba but he's older and there's no point in casting a new Bond for just 1 or 2 movies.
I'd rather have Elba for 2 movies over Tom Hiddleston, who was previously rumored...
I want a somewhat no name that they can build off of. The villain from "Happy Valley" could be a decent choice.
Rather see him as Bond than Roland of Gilead, that's for sure...
Haha, even worse.
It already needs a reboot and to be shot in a 60's cold war time setting.
Kingsmen was a better movie than the last 3 Bond movies.
It already needs a reboot and to be shot in a 60's cold war time setting.
Kingsmen was a better movie than the last 3 Bond movies.
Yeah, Tom Hardy is certainly no Kit Harington...
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would be the nail in the coffin of James Bond.
It already needs a reboot and to be shot in a 60's cold war time setting.
Kingsmen was a better movie than the last 3 Bond movies.
Yeah, Tom Hardy is certainly no Kit Harington...
With or without a Mask?
just an opinion.
Hardy, Elba, etc are all too old. And last I heard on Hiddelston was that Barbara Broccoli essentially said he was a pussy. Unless that changed than Hiddelston isn't the next Bond.
Hardy, Elba, etc are all too old. And last I heard on Hiddelston was that Barbara Broccoli essentially said he was a pussy. Unless that changed than Hiddelston isn't the next Bond.
I agree with a lot of this article. Bond should be more fun.
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