Do nothing! Booker for KP is a joke if #4 + is not included. Wojo saying Phoenix won't give up Booker is more of a joke. Hang the phone up on Phoenix. And no Cris and #4 isn't a starter for me.
I like KP, but he has been injury prone. If we can build around 2 lottery picks this year & another young player in the deal, it might be a good clean slate.
Do nothing! Booker for KP is a joke if #4 + is not included. Wojo saying Phoenix won't give up Booker is more of a joke. Hang the phone up on Phoenix. And no Cris and #4 isn't a starter for me.
reports are phil is looking for 2 starters, both young and looking like all star potential plus picks...
in my eyes no player is untouchable, now do you just give him away? obviousky no, but if someone comes with a ridiculous package then you have to do it
any time a 20-something dares to do anything other than tuck his head down and make you happy? Can't run any faster to line up behind the billionaire owner who charges you a few grand just for the privilege of an opportunity to buy a ticket during a labor dispute, can't cheer any harder for the tired old head coach to "keep these kids in line".
It's the oddest phenomenon I've ever seen.
It's crazy. A society of lickspittles. It's not just sports, and it's weirdly getting worse.
But I would do the following if Phil is set on trading him:
Celtics get: Zinger and lane Thomas
Knicks get: jaylen brown, #3 this year and ideally Brooklyn pick but would settle for lakers/kings pick.
I would then trade #3 to sac for #5 and 10 if that's actually possible and take whoever is remaining between Isaac, Tatum and Jackson at #5 and Monk at 8 and DSJ or Mitchell at 10
Or
Suns get Zinger and Noah
Knicks get Barkley, #4 and Miami 2018 and 2020, I don't think sac is trading 5 and 10 to move up 1 spot
Angry fans venting are likely missing the bigger picture
It isn't "just Phil"- it is the whole team structure under Dolan that is killing the Knicks. I think KP simply has reached the end of his tolerance of the mess- and let the Knicks know that at the end of his rookie deal, he won't be back.
Remember that KP is only under team control for 3 more years- and maybe 2 if he got a poison pill offer in RFA.
The Knicks are NOT going to be a championship caliber club in 2 years, so they can't see KP on that. The money won't do it if he is this unhappy already.
Time to cut bait and get some controllable talent that has not had their minds poisoned by the atmosphere surrounding the team and two top 8 picks to build on. If the Knicks let this fester into next season, does anyone really believe that KP would play through the dings and dents of a full season- or even play hard?
Assuming that the Knicks get at least 2, hopefully 3, good young players for KP- along with the #8 pick, then there might be a long term hope.
Add in that without KP, Melo can't claim that he wants to win in - because there would be no hope of that. He might be signing a different tune once KP gets dealt.
is that Knicks' fans are so desperate, so starved, for a savior, for tangible signs of a turn in the team's fortunes. KP legitimately represents all that, as long as he's here. And he works hard, is all for the team (as vs. for himself), is very likable, very suited to the Big Apple, and very talented. But that same desperation may tend to blind Knicks' fans as to his limitations, and in that regard I lean to chop, and for some to compare KP's game, even as it continues to develop, to Durant's is just silly. KP is versatile, but he is not quick, he is a good shooter, but not a good defender in open court, or even in sets, except at the rim.
And this is not at all a defend Phil Jackson post. He has been an ego-driven disaster, like his boss, like Melo in some respects.
was truly AWFUL last year as a rookie. Yes he's young but 5.3 PER. NEGATIVE 0.029 WS/48, yes he went 4th overall (in a very weak draft) but was viewed as an overdraft.... because teams were looking for the next Porzingis. Scary bad.
The #3 pick and a good Celts pick next year isnt remotely enough. People really arent factoring in how unlikely it is for anyone after #1 overall to be a superstar.
YOu have a bird in hand of a young difference maker who appears driven and very likely to succeed after 2 sesons in the NBA (where by the way he was not physically ready, AS EXPECTED). Trading that for some magic beans is dumb. When you win the lottery, you dont that money into more lottery tickets; you collect your winnings.
Sorry, Im not making a trade to resolve Phil's ego problems created by his own gross mismanagement. Oh, your 21 key employee is immature? Yeah, he's 21. You're 71. If you cant handle that like a pro, this isnt your line of work anymore. (and btw, I think KP was ok to skip the meeting in protest).
RE: Angry fans venting are likely missing the bigger picture
It isn't "just Phil"- it is the whole team structure under Dolan that is killing the Knicks. I think KP simply has reached the end of his tolerance of the mess- and let the Knicks know that at the end of his rookie deal, he won't be back.
Remember that KP is only under team control for 3 more years- and maybe 2 if he got a poison pill offer in RFA.
The Knicks are NOT going to be a championship caliber club in 2 years, so they can't see KP on that. The money won't do it if he is this unhappy already.
Time to cut bait and get some controllable talent that has not had their minds poisoned by the atmosphere surrounding the team and two top 8 picks to build on. If the Knicks let this fester into next season, does anyone really believe that KP would play through the dings and dents of a full season- or even play hard?
Assuming that the Knicks get at least 2, hopefully 3, good young players for KP- along with the #8 pick, then there might be a long term hope.
Add in that without KP, Melo can't claim that he wants to win in - because there would be no hope of that. He might be signing a different tune once KP gets dealt.
No, I think the big picture is crystal clear at this point.
The Knicks have a culture problem. Initially, it was expected that bringing in a guy like Jackson would go a long way to solve it. The problem? Jackson's a part timer. To get around that, he tries to insert his people at various stages of the organization to impose his will and philosophy on the team. It's not working.
Porzingis is fed up with that. He has likely told them he's out, no exceptions, in a couple of years. If this is the basis for trading him now, when his stock is relatively low and you've trashed your leverage, your return is not going to be anywhere nearly enough.
The other option the Knicks have is to acknowledge what seems to be painfully obvious at this point; the Garden has a culture problem, and Jackson didn't fix it. Fire him, make another hire, hope you get it better next time. Tell Porzingis you want to build around him, let Melo know he's welcome but probably better off elsewhere, try to salvage what's circling the toilet rather than letting it all go down the drain with nothing left to show for it.
Even if you don't think it's okay he blew off the meeting
The correct/mature/responsible course of action for anyone older than 21 isn't "let's teach this fucking brat a lesson".
when is it to much though? he has basically ignored phil and hornacke, wont talk to them..
i get kp is frustrated and mad, and i get he is pissed but just blowing off everyone how does that help?
and i dont think he is getting this from melo because melo would do the opposite he would meet with phil and talk to him, i think this is janis in kps head...
We don't care about Exit meetings in Philly... you're welcome to join
Glad to hear Philly players endorse insubordination against ownership and management. I'm sure that's something other than a cheap shot against a rival organization and something that his boss wants him to say...
Everybody here in Philly is absolutely GA GA with Embiid as if he was Iverson as a big man. Something tells me this guy is going to shoot off at the mouth a ton while not playing too many games. But the games he does play he will put up numbers and the fucking moronic Philly fans will anoint this chode as a hero. Give it time for Philly to be Philly again.
Embiid has a terrific personality and personifies The Process. I'd be surprised to see the fan base roll over on him, even if he was forever dogged by injuries. Embiid's absolute talent is also congruent with Iverson's so I don't find it absurd to fawn over him. In a vacuum bereft of injury concerns, he'll rival KAT.
"You can be right for the wrong reasons or wrong for the right reasons (as may be the case with Joel)"- Sam Hinkie
Btw, it's been reported that the Sixers reached out to NYK...would something like Saric, 2018 Sixers 1st, LAL/SAC 1st (whichever doesn't get sent to celtics), and 4 second rounders start a conversation regarding KP? You can toss in Okafor!
while they defend KP for blowing off a scheduled meeting with his boss (because they hate his boss because they think he is too big for his britches).
Good point, but you take entirely the wrong lesson from this.
Is it a good point, when you basically have to ignore the rest of OBJ's well publicized history to get there? Aside from his play, this was the first notable thing KP had ever done.
for the tone of the interview. One thing he said that finally made sense is they are going to build with youth and it takes a while. If he's really serious bravo! About time. Let's see how it plays out.
Lil' Jimmy Dolan shows his usual commitment to the franchise
while they defend KP for blowing off a scheduled meeting with his boss (because they hate his boss because they think he is too big for his britches).
Good point, but you take entirely the wrong lesson from this.
Is it a good point, when you basically have to ignore the rest of OBJ's well publicized history to get there? Aside from his play, this was the first notable thing KP had ever done.
KP's was deliberate. OBJ's were all emotional.
But the point is the media is guilty of selective outrage. If it fits their storyline, they go with it. They hate Phil because he has an ego and won't talk to them. So every story is written from that angle. Phil is probably the smartest GM they have had since Eddie Donovan. He came into a wreck. It hasn't been pretty, and he has made some bad mistakes, but he has added some good young talent, and hasn't mortgaged the future by trading away #1's. I shudder at the thought of who will run the franchise when he is gone.
These - too many - circle jerk threads are a shit on Phil fest.
Wanting KP to be the bigger man or at least go through the proper channels isn't an endorsement of anyone. It's a criticism of a person who has the most leverage to help fix the disorder seemingly at the center of the organization. The supercilious among us are unbearable. Ash, I'm talking about you. You extrapolated on one word in my post and implied an entire narrative that no one has laid out. Cool your jets.
These - too many - circle jerk threads are a shit on Phil fest.
Wanting KP to be the bigger man or at least go through the proper channels isn't an endorsement of anyone. It's a criticism of a person who has the most leverage to help fix the disorder seemingly at the center of the organization. The supercilious among us are unbearable. Ash, I'm talking about you. You extrapolated on one word in my post and implied an entire narrative that no one has laid out. Cool your jets.
Superciliousness runs both ways and describing a legitimate expression of discontent as "insubordination" falls well within that for me.
Now I'm happy to table the superciliousness if you are, but let's be clear, the burden of the criticism should fall on Phil, whose tenure here outside of KP (ironic) has been a failure.
If they trade him and only come away with Josh Jackson I am done with this franchise. Phil Jackson needs to go this is what it must feel like to be a Jets or Redskins fan.
RE: Lil' Jimmy Dolan shows his usual commitment to the franchise
So the onus is on the 22 year old player to be the bigger man rather than the 71 year old team president and GM?
I can't think of a better indictment of Phil Jackson than that.
Who said onus?
My expectation is the KP would be a professional. It's a testament to Dolan and Phil that things are as fucked up as they are. Doesn't mean I don't hope KP perseveres. Maybe it's a false hope, but it's not out of loyalty to management which your default response implies which doesn't correlate with what anyone has said.
RE: RE: Who are all these fans defending management?
These - too many - circle jerk threads are a shit on Phil fest.
Wanting KP to be the bigger man or at least go through the proper channels isn't an endorsement of anyone. It's a criticism of a person who has the most leverage to help fix the disorder seemingly at the center of the organization. The supercilious among us are unbearable. Ash, I'm talking about you. You extrapolated on one word in my post and implied an entire narrative that no one has laid out. Cool your jets.
Superciliousness runs both ways and describing a legitimate expression of discontent as "insubordination" falls well within that for me.
Now I'm happy to table the superciliousness if you are, but let's be clear, the burden of the criticism should fall on Phil, whose tenure here outside of KP (ironic) has been a failure.
It may be justified but it is literally insubordination. It's not supercilious to point out that supporting insubordination in principle which is what Embyiid did isn't reasonable.
I will NEVER understand how fans get blinded by their beliefs
The NBA, like any pro sport, is about cheering for the laundry. Unfortunately, for the past 20 years, the Knicks have been dirty laundry- and Phil was not the magic cure for the disease.
In fact, if Jerry West miraculously walked through the door tomorrow to take over as President/GM, he could not clean this mess. It would literally take the NBA commish forcing Dolan to sell the team to get rid of the problems. Phil is just a microcosm of the larger problem under Dolan- dysfunctional chaos, with agendas all around.
THAT is what bothers KP so much- unlike Melo, who is in his decline stage and has made his major money, KP wants to be big in this league- and the Knicks as they are run, are just not going to allow him to get there.
I suspect that even if Phil managed to trade KP and Kuzminskas to the Lakers for Ingram, Randle and the #3 pick, and then traded Melo to the Cavs in a multi-team deal that netted the Knicks 2 more picks, it would not improve things- because eventually, the disease that infects this team will seep into those players, and create a new set of malcontents- whether Phil is around then or not.
The NBA cannot let one of its major markets fester and wither for much longer without collateral damage to the rest of the league. It isn't just about Phil- Dolan needs to be excised and new ownership that is about rebuilding the trust and love of NYC and building a winner needs to be brought in.
I dont agree. Dolan is not really the problem anymore. If Jerry West was here, I'd like our chances in 4 years. No guarantees, but I think it is in Dolan's DNA to defer to the real heavyweights like Phil and West (see NYR's Sather), so long as they know how to handle him. Jimbo is very interested in his band these days.
However if you can get #3 this year, almost guaranteed top 5 pick next year to go along with our probable top 5-10 pick along with 2 nice player assets I think you have to do it. You can start to put together a young core of J. Jackson/Monk or Smith Jr. Brown, Crowder and 2 more top 5 draft picks next year that has a lot of potential to be more than just KP. It makes the team watchable with bright young players. Like I said I'm in no rush to deal KP. The guy is a potential perennial All Star, but that is a really nice haul.
However if you can get #3 this year, almost guaranteed top 5 pick next year to go along with our probable top 5-10 pick along with 2 nice player assets I think you have to do it. You can start to put together a young core of J. Jackson/Monk or Smith Jr. Brown, Crowder and 2 more top 5 draft picks next year that has a lot of potential to be more than just KP. It makes the team watchable with bright young players. Like I said I'm in no rush to deal KP. The guy is a potential perennial All Star, but that is a really nice haul.
Stu, I agree if that's the offer they have to accept. I don't want to trade KP but for that offer is too good to pass on.
I too agree that it's a reasonable offer, but I'd hate to have to
with this wild held assumption that next year's lottery pick from Boston is guaranteed to be top 5? What if the Nets have a pretty good year? What if the lottery falls the wrong way for the KNicks and they pick 6th or 7th or even 4th and the player they get is just another in a long line of good but not great types? What then?
You send KP to Boston you might as well just drop an atom bomb of misery on the Knicks fan base. I can assure you, KP will reach his potential in Boston. He will be a monster there.
My God...I can't believe the events of this week. To me this is the most shocking sports development in years for me. The fan base reaction alone seals the deal for me.
the Nets who won 20 games this year and have NO 1st rd. pick and just traded Brook Lopez are suddenly going to shock the world and win what 22 games?When you are as bad as they are even if you have the worst lottery luck (like we did 2 years ago) the furthest you'll fall is 3 or 4.
the Nets who won 20 games this year and have NO 1st rd. pick and just traded Brook Lopez are suddenly going to shock the world and win what 22 games?When you are as bad as they are even if you have the worst lottery luck (like we did 2 years ago) the furthest you'll fall is 3 or 4.
If the Knicks are depending on the Nets struggles? You're damn right I think they'd win 30 games. And that's not even close to a stretch. Much stranger things have happened.
it was also the same year shaq demanded a trade and phil resigned a week after season ended
reports are phil is looking for 2 starters, both young and looking like all star potential plus picks...
in my eyes no player is untouchable, now do you just give him away? obviousky no, but if someone comes with a ridiculous package then you have to do it
It's the oddest phenomenon I've ever seen.
It's crazy. A society of lickspittles. It's not just sports, and it's weirdly getting worse.
Celtics get: Zinger and lane Thomas
Knicks get: jaylen brown, #3 this year and ideally Brooklyn pick but would settle for lakers/kings pick.
I would then trade #3 to sac for #5 and 10 if that's actually possible and take whoever is remaining between Isaac, Tatum and Jackson at #5 and Monk at 8 and DSJ or Mitchell at 10
Or
Suns get Zinger and Noah
Knicks get Barkley, #4 and Miami 2018 and 2020, I don't think sac is trading 5 and 10 to move up 1 spot
Remember that KP is only under team control for 3 more years- and maybe 2 if he got a poison pill offer in RFA.
The Knicks are NOT going to be a championship caliber club in 2 years, so they can't see KP on that. The money won't do it if he is this unhappy already.
Time to cut bait and get some controllable talent that has not had their minds poisoned by the atmosphere surrounding the team and two top 8 picks to build on. If the Knicks let this fester into next season, does anyone really believe that KP would play through the dings and dents of a full season- or even play hard?
Assuming that the Knicks get at least 2, hopefully 3, good young players for KP- along with the #8 pick, then there might be a long term hope.
Add in that without KP, Melo can't claim that he wants to win in - because there would be no hope of that. He might be signing a different tune once KP gets dealt.
And this is not at all a defend Phil Jackson post. He has been an ego-driven disaster, like his boss, like Melo in some respects.
YOu have a bird in hand of a young difference maker who appears driven and very likely to succeed after 2 sesons in the NBA (where by the way he was not physically ready, AS EXPECTED). Trading that for some magic beans is dumb. When you win the lottery, you dont that money into more lottery tickets; you collect your winnings.
Sorry, Im not making a trade to resolve Phil's ego problems created by his own gross mismanagement. Oh, your 21 key employee is immature? Yeah, he's 21. You're 71. If you cant handle that like a pro, this isnt your line of work anymore. (and btw, I think KP was ok to skip the meeting in protest).
Remember that KP is only under team control for 3 more years- and maybe 2 if he got a poison pill offer in RFA.
The Knicks are NOT going to be a championship caliber club in 2 years, so they can't see KP on that. The money won't do it if he is this unhappy already.
Time to cut bait and get some controllable talent that has not had their minds poisoned by the atmosphere surrounding the team and two top 8 picks to build on. If the Knicks let this fester into next season, does anyone really believe that KP would play through the dings and dents of a full season- or even play hard?
Assuming that the Knicks get at least 2, hopefully 3, good young players for KP- along with the #8 pick, then there might be a long term hope.
Add in that without KP, Melo can't claim that he wants to win in - because there would be no hope of that. He might be signing a different tune once KP gets dealt.
No, I think the big picture is crystal clear at this point.
The Knicks have a culture problem. Initially, it was expected that bringing in a guy like Jackson would go a long way to solve it. The problem? Jackson's a part timer. To get around that, he tries to insert his people at various stages of the organization to impose his will and philosophy on the team. It's not working.
Porzingis is fed up with that. He has likely told them he's out, no exceptions, in a couple of years. If this is the basis for trading him now, when his stock is relatively low and you've trashed your leverage, your return is not going to be anywhere nearly enough.
The other option the Knicks have is to acknowledge what seems to be painfully obvious at this point; the Garden has a culture problem, and Jackson didn't fix it. Fire him, make another hire, hope you get it better next time. Tell Porzingis you want to build around him, let Melo know he's welcome but probably better off elsewhere, try to salvage what's circling the toilet rather than letting it all go down the drain with nothing left to show for it.
when is it to much though? he has basically ignored phil and hornacke, wont talk to them..
i get kp is frustrated and mad, and i get he is pissed but just blowing off everyone how does that help?
and i dont think he is getting this from melo because melo would do the opposite he would meet with phil and talk to him, i think this is janis in kps head...
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We don't care about Exit meetings in Philly... you're welcome to join
Glad to hear Philly players endorse insubordination against ownership and management. I'm sure that's something other than a cheap shot against a rival organization and something that his boss wants him to say...
Everybody here in Philly is absolutely GA GA with Embiid as if he was Iverson as a big man. Something tells me this guy is going to shoot off at the mouth a ton while not playing too many games. But the games he does play he will put up numbers and the fucking moronic Philly fans will anoint this chode as a hero. Give it time for Philly to be Philly again.
Embiid has a terrific personality and personifies The Process. I'd be surprised to see the fan base roll over on him, even if he was forever dogged by injuries. Embiid's absolute talent is also congruent with Iverson's so I don't find it absurd to fawn over him. In a vacuum bereft of injury concerns, he'll rival KAT.
"You can be right for the wrong reasons or wrong for the right reasons (as may be the case with Joel)"- Sam Hinkie
Btw, it's been reported that the Sixers reached out to NYK...would something like Saric, 2018 Sixers 1st, LAL/SAC 1st (whichever doesn't get sent to celtics), and 4 second rounders start a conversation regarding KP? You can toss in Okafor!
Chriss and certainly not Bender + 4 = "blown away" and I say that as someone who loves Josh Jackson and likes Chriss quite a bit.
Good point, but you take entirely the wrong lesson from this.
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while they defend KP for blowing off a scheduled meeting with his boss (because they hate his boss because they think he is too big for his britches).
Good point, but you take entirely the wrong lesson from this.
Is it a good point, when you basically have to ignore the rest of OBJ's well publicized history to get there? Aside from his play, this was the first notable thing KP had ever done.
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while they defend KP for blowing off a scheduled meeting with his boss (because they hate his boss because they think he is too big for his britches).
Good point, but you take entirely the wrong lesson from this.
Is it a good point, when you basically have to ignore the rest of OBJ's well publicized history to get there? Aside from his play, this was the first notable thing KP had ever done.
KP's was deliberate. OBJ's were all emotional.
But the point is the media is guilty of selective outrage. If it fits their storyline, they go with it. They hate Phil because he has an ego and won't talk to them. So every story is written from that angle. Phil is probably the smartest GM they have had since Eddie Donovan. He came into a wreck. It hasn't been pretty, and he has made some bad mistakes, but he has added some good young talent, and hasn't mortgaged the future by trading away #1's. I shudder at the thought of who will run the franchise when he is gone.
Wanting KP to be the bigger man or at least go through the proper channels isn't an endorsement of anyone. It's a criticism of a person who has the most leverage to help fix the disorder seemingly at the center of the organization. The supercilious among us are unbearable. Ash, I'm talking about you. You extrapolated on one word in my post and implied an entire narrative that no one has laid out. Cool your jets.
Wanting KP to be the bigger man or at least go through the proper channels isn't an endorsement of anyone. It's a criticism of a person who has the most leverage to help fix the disorder seemingly at the center of the organization. The supercilious among us are unbearable. Ash, I'm talking about you. You extrapolated on one word in my post and implied an entire narrative that no one has laid out. Cool your jets.
Superciliousness runs both ways and describing a legitimate expression of discontent as "insubordination" falls well within that for me.
Now I'm happy to table the superciliousness if you are, but let's be clear, the burden of the criticism should fall on Phil, whose tenure here outside of KP (ironic) has been a failure.
I can't think of a better indictment of Phil Jackson than that.
this would be ideal if he had hired someone smart to run the team.
I can't think of a better indictment of Phil Jackson than that.
Who said onus?
My expectation is the KP would be a professional. It's a testament to Dolan and Phil that things are as fucked up as they are. Doesn't mean I don't hope KP perseveres. Maybe it's a false hope, but it's not out of loyalty to management which your default response implies which doesn't correlate with what anyone has said.
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These - too many - circle jerk threads are a shit on Phil fest.
Wanting KP to be the bigger man or at least go through the proper channels isn't an endorsement of anyone. It's a criticism of a person who has the most leverage to help fix the disorder seemingly at the center of the organization. The supercilious among us are unbearable. Ash, I'm talking about you. You extrapolated on one word in my post and implied an entire narrative that no one has laid out. Cool your jets.
Superciliousness runs both ways and describing a legitimate expression of discontent as "insubordination" falls well within that for me.
Now I'm happy to table the superciliousness if you are, but let's be clear, the burden of the criticism should fall on Phil, whose tenure here outside of KP (ironic) has been a failure.
It may be justified but it is literally insubordination. It's not supercilious to point out that supporting insubordination in principle which is what Embyiid did isn't reasonable.
In fact, if Jerry West miraculously walked through the door tomorrow to take over as President/GM, he could not clean this mess. It would literally take the NBA commish forcing Dolan to sell the team to get rid of the problems. Phil is just a microcosm of the larger problem under Dolan- dysfunctional chaos, with agendas all around.
THAT is what bothers KP so much- unlike Melo, who is in his decline stage and has made his major money, KP wants to be big in this league- and the Knicks as they are run, are just not going to allow him to get there.
I suspect that even if Phil managed to trade KP and Kuzminskas to the Lakers for Ingram, Randle and the #3 pick, and then traded Melo to the Cavs in a multi-team deal that netted the Knicks 2 more picks, it would not improve things- because eventually, the disease that infects this team will seep into those players, and create a new set of malcontents- whether Phil is around then or not.
The NBA cannot let one of its major markets fester and wither for much longer without collateral damage to the rest of the league. It isn't just about Phil- Dolan needs to be excised and new ownership that is about rebuilding the trust and love of NYC and building a winner needs to be brought in.
LOL - ( New Window )
Totally believable.
Stu, I agree if that's the offer they have to accept. I don't want to trade KP but for that offer is too good to pass on.
I will never assume anything again with the NY fan base.
You send KP to Boston you might as well just drop an atom bomb of misery on the Knicks fan base. I can assure you, KP will reach his potential in Boston. He will be a monster there.
My God...I can't believe the events of this week. To me this is the most shocking sports development in years for me. The fan base reaction alone seals the deal for me.
If the Knicks are depending on the Nets struggles? You're damn right I think they'd win 30 games. And that's not even close to a stretch. Much stranger things have happened.