totally different information. I've seen this guy on ESPN, good track record?
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Also, I'm told that the Celtics and Knicks haven't had any sort of progressing talks. They last spoke this morning and haven't revisited.
everyone is saying knicks and celtics are talking and working towards a deal...never heaed of thiz guy...
This is going to be so much fun three years from now
Boston can keep Crowder and his awesome contract. But #3, next years Brooklyn pick and Brown is NOT too much to ask for a 21 year old with top 10 NBA upside. All the Celtics fans sneering at this trade will be sucking KPs pee pee the first time he goes for 35 and 15. And I'm guessing the remorse will fade while Boston is playing Cleveland in the ECFs and Josh Jackson is languishing on a 10 win Knicks team putting up something like 8 and 4. Jeezus, what is wrong with you guys? Boston fans have no freaking idea how good KP can be, that much is obvious. KP will own that town if he were to go there. And I sure as hell hope he doesn't.
Crowder would be what, the 2nd or 3rd best player on your team if it traded Porzingis? So don't look down on him too much.
We know how good Porzingis can be. But let's cool it on the 35 and 15 stuff. He averaged 18 and 7. He's still young. We're all just projecting him to be a star. He's not one yet.
You don't want to trade him, we don't want to give up the assets you're looking for to trade for him. So no deal. That's fine. We don't need to make a panic trade. It's essentially 3 top 5 picks, plus another player, that you're asking for. That's quite a bit for anyone. I'd love to see if another player has ever been traded for similar value.
I'd love to see if another player with KP's upside and skill set was traded on his rookie contract. It simply does not happen. that's why you're seeing people throw around unprecedented trade packages.
I actually do think that Brown is going to be a star.
He did really well at times and they were pretty much weaning him in, he had no plays called for him, and he showed great poise and athleticism. He has an improving shot, including from the 3-point line, and can get to the basket extremely well. He plays several positions and is already a plus defender. And, he's improving in every area. He's a perfect match for Stevens and would be my deal-breaker for anyone who's not Anthony Davis.
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totally different information. I've seen this guy on ESPN, good track record?
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Also, I'm told that the Celtics and Knicks haven't had any sort of progressing talks. They last spoke this morning and haven't revisited.
everyone is saying knicks and celtics are talking and working towards a deal...never heaed of thiz guy...
He's legit. 130,000 followers and Begley retweeted him
RE: I actually do think that Brown is going to be a star.
He did really well at times and they were pretty much weaning him in, he had no plays called for him, and he showed great poise and athleticism. He has an improving shot, including from the 3-point line, and can get to the basket extremely well. He plays several positions and is already a plus defender. And, he's improving in every area. He's a perfect match for Stevens and would be my deal-breaker for anyone who's not Anthony Davis.
2nd or 3rd best player because the Knicks have very little talent. Crowder is what he is. There is zero additional upside, room for growth. He's a solid player on a team that needs big time talent. Crowder doesn't move the needle. He's a guy who looks good as a role player on a good team. When he's a "main" piece he looks sub-par.
I fully get that Crowder is nothing special and is what he is. I'm just saying he's good player, even if that doesn't do much good on a bad team. And Crowder is literally the 4th asset you'd be getting in the deal Jackson apparently wants, not he main asset, not to mention he really does have a highly desirable contract around the league. If he's the 4th asset, you've done well in the trade.
With Porzingis, while he does have the potential to be an 1 or 2 option on a championship team, the Knicks are so far from getting to that point, and it will probably not happen at any point with the current regime. So while I wouldn't trade Porzingis, you do have to evaluate whether the relationship is irreparably damaged. And while you may want Phil out, Dolan is a moron. So don't bet on it.
He did really well at times and they were pretty much weaning him in, he had no plays called for him, and he showed great poise and athleticism. He has an improving shot, including from the 3-point line, and can get to the basket extremely well. He plays several positions and is already a plus defender. And, he's improving in every area. He's a perfect match for Stevens and would be my deal-breaker for anyone who's not Anthony Davis.
You'd take Giannis but only if MILW added?
I meant as an add-in to a deal. He has his own cachet and will eventually be the centerpiece, not ancillary.
ESPN so who knows but I highly doubt an ESPN reporter with 130,000 twitter followers (retweeted by other writers) is making totally made up statements.
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RE: I actually do think that Brown is going to be a star.
He did really well at times and they were pretty much weaning him in, he had no plays called for him, and he showed great poise and athleticism. He has an improving shot, including from the 3-point line, and can get to the basket extremely well. He plays several positions and is already a plus defender. And, he's improving in every area. He's a perfect match for Stevens and would be my deal-breaker for anyone who's not Anthony Davis.
Talk about overvaluing. I like Brown but to me he's a bigger Jae Crowder. DOn't see any star in him.
RE: RE: I actually do think that Brown is going to be a star.
He did really well at times and they were pretty much weaning him in, he had no plays called for him, and he showed great poise and athleticism. He has an improving shot, including from the 3-point line, and can get to the basket extremely well. He plays several positions and is already a plus defender. And, he's improving in every area. He's a perfect match for Stevens and would be my deal-breaker for anyone who's not Anthony Davis.
Talk about overvaluing. I like Brown but to me he's a bigger Jae Crowder. DOn't see any star in him.
I definitely do. I think nearly I saw every game he played in last year...well, maybe not some of the west coast night games...and for his age and the trajectory from first game to last, yup, I definitely do.
Said this is probably just Danny Ainge having some fun. Also said it would take a Herschel Walker package to get him and that it has nothing to do with the exit interview. Noted that KP's camp - not the Knicks - leaked the missed exit interview.
With Porzingis, while he does have the potential to be an 1 or 2 option on a championship team, the Knicks are so far from getting to that point, and it will probably not happen at any point with the current regime. So while I wouldn't trade Porzingis, you do have to evaluate whether the relationship is irreparably damaged. And while you may want Phil out, Dolan is a moron. So don't bet on it.
Phil talks about trading KP if it is what's best for the team, but his ego driving trades is not best for the team, and his personal timeline to win a championship is not what's best for the team. Fact is that a guy like KP probably doesnt get into his "title window" best case for another 4 years. If that's not Phil's time frame, he needs to retire, because there is almost no path to getting a title in NY in the next 4 years. LeBron (wherever he is) and GSW will be murderous for at least 2 more seasons, conservatively. They may not win 2-3 more titles, but they're so good that the KNICKS have no chance of catching them in 2-3 years.
This is what I dont get about the modern NBA. A guy like Ainge gets it -- he sees that his team isnt really title competitive. Yet most teams are just plugging along looking to get marginally better. Lets get Dwight Howard! Lets trade for Aldridge! I guess if you need to sell tickets, so be it, it's a business. But otherwise any teams that is forced to go for it (e.g. LAC) should be thinking long term. If you have a Porzingis and you cant wait for him to develop, you're in the wrong business and are misreading the league.
RE: RE: RE: I actually do think that Brown is going to be a star.
He did really well at times and they were pretty much weaning him in, he had no plays called for him, and he showed great poise and athleticism. He has an improving shot, including from the 3-point line, and can get to the basket extremely well. He plays several positions and is already a plus defender. And, he's improving in every area. He's a perfect match for Stevens and would be my deal-breaker for anyone who's not Anthony Davis.
Talk about overvaluing. I like Brown but to me he's a bigger Jae Crowder. DOn't see any star in him.
I definitely do. I think nearly I saw every game he played in last year...well, maybe not some of the west coast night games...and for his age and the trajectory from first game to last, yup, I definitely do.
Must come as a surprise to you as to why Ainge wants Tatum or KP so bad then.
get the fuck out of here. Take your spoiled and irrational view of the NBA landscape and fucking blow. Great franchise. Good for you. Now fuck off. You're not living in the real world. You're living in a universe where your team wins trade after trade after trade. Take your Bradleys and nice little shooting guards and 2 pick offer and sell bullshit elsewhere.
I wouldn't even deal KP to boston if they offered too much. But Phil is going full heel...so...yeah.
looks like Phil was saying he'd take a come to jesus offer and meant it. Im actually not 100% convinced he would take the package from Boston that was quoted. The difference between the two packages cant really be described as "ridiculous". Maybe if Phil said "add the BK and LA picks" you could call it ridic, but not for just the BK pick added.
My guy said Frenchy or Monk are the "overwhelming" favorites to be the pick (this was last night). He said most of the writers are hearing Frenchy but some think Monk is the guy Phil covets.
of how quiet the Knicks/Monk connection has been. He thinks it's a little "too quiet" and suspects he's the guy. I hope the Mavs trade up and remove all doubt.
This is what I dont get about the modern NBA. A guy like Ainge gets it -- he sees that his team isnt really title competitive. Yet most teams are just plugging along looking to get marginally better. Lets get Dwight Howard! Lets trade for Aldridge! I guess if you need to sell tickets, so be it, it's a business. But otherwise any teams that is forced to go for it (e.g. LAC) should be thinking long term. If you have a Porzingis and you cant wait for him to develop, you're in the wrong business and are misreading the league.
Ainge is currently benefitting from an overzealous Brooklyn owner who gave up their future to win a title and stick it to the Knicks. How did that pan out for Brooklyn? All 5 starters and the coach have departed.
Difference is, Boston has more assists and can afford to make a big trade to try and get over the hump. Huge difference in trading for a 21 year old kid vs 2 aging veterans
of how quiet the Knicks/Monk connection has been. He thinks it's a little "too quiet" and suspects he's the guy. I hope the Mavs trade up and remove all doubt.
The guy I spoke to thought Monk checked off a bunch of Phil's boxes and still would allow him to be a bit "outside the box". He sort of hinted he thought Monk would be the guy but then said "everyone seems it's the French kid". Monk would not surprise me at all.
of how quiet the Knicks/Monk connection has been. He thinks it's a little "too quiet" and suspects he's the guy. I hope the Mavs trade up and remove all doubt.
The guy I spoke to thought Monk checked off a bunch of Phil's boxes and still would allow him to be a bit "outside the box". He sort of hinted he thought Monk would be the guy but then said "everyone seems it's the French kid". Monk would not surprise me at all.
i cant remember was there a lot of noise around knicks and kp?
Monk makes sense with my star power theory of Phil
he's been around stars too much, and won with them, to start looking for doubles with lottery picks.
What does Frenchie get Phil, assuming he REALLY pans out (say, a combo guard version of Batum?). Is that guy good enough to be the #2 on a title team? He isnt Pippen or even Rodman.
Now what about Monk? Well if he can play 1 he can defend his position, and he's got 20+ point potential. Like KP he has unlimited range, meaning you're now adding feet to the basketball court -- your 1 and 4 can stand shoot from the BQE and suddenly your 2, 3, 5 have a ton of court to mess with. Lee can knock them down and there is hope that a healthy Lance can defend and corner 3 it. It's a plan even in the near term.
is the sensible play. Not sure why the Knicks have to complicate this. Add winning players like Thornwell or Mason (for example) in round two and call it a day.
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is the sensible play. Not sure why the Knicks have to complicate this. Add winning players like Thornwell or Mason (for example) in round two and call it a day.
What's complicating this is that KP actions are drawing attention to Phil's failures, and KP isnt buying into the zen mind games. Worked on Kobe and MJ (I guess, who knows). But those were talented teams and Phil was coaching, in his physical prime. Now he's a sleepy old man and team executive, who is obviously meddling with coaching. Phil feels entitled to respect based on his coaching record and his title, but it's a what have you dont for me lately world. Nothing he's done says to KP "trust me, I got this".
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but I can't believe there are people on this thread that wouldn't do 3, the Nets pick next year and Brown for him. Get rid of Melo. Tank one more year. Get two top 5 picks next year to add to Fox or Jackson + Smith / Tatum / Monk + Brown + Willy. That's actually a team. What we have now plus the 8th pick isn't a team.
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4 is high for monk and over jackson or tatum? both would be great fits with the suns
I was only joking. Honestly though at this point I am expecting the worst which would be that Monk is the guy, has been told he's the guy, and then Minnesota trades out and someone else grabs him at 7.
but I can't believe there are people on this thread that wouldn't do 3, the Nets pick next year and Brown for him. Get rid of Melo. Tank one more year. Get two top 5 picks next year to add to Fox or Jackson + Smith / Tatum / Monk + Brown + Willy. That's actually a team. What we have now plus the 8th pick isn't a team.
Well, the fair comp is:
Jackson, Monk/Smith, Brown, Willy, BK #1, next year's #1 vs
KP, Monk/Smith, Willy, next year's #1.
Figure the top option gives us a better chance for a top 3 pick... maybe. KP is better than Jackson and Brown, but the two of them combined could give you a working lineup next season.
Ultimately I think it comes down to how you perceive that gap between KP and Jackson (I think it's huge) and whether you're just assuming that BK pick is going to be a great pick. Who knows. Could end up #5. Could end up #2 in a 1 player draft. Remember when Wiggins was the next LeBron 12 months out of his draft? I do.
but I can't believe there are people on this thread that wouldn't do 3, the Nets pick next year and Brown for him. Get rid of Melo. Tank one more year. Get two top 5 picks next year to add to Fox or Jackson + Smith / Tatum / Monk + Brown + Willy. That's actually a team. What we have now plus the 8th pick isn't a team.
Well, the fair comp is:
Jackson, Monk/Smith, Brown, Willy, BK #1, next year's #1 vs
KP, Monk/Smith, Willy, next year's #1.
Figure the top option gives us a better chance for a top 3 pick... maybe. KP is better than Jackson and Brown, but the two of them combined could give you a working lineup next season.
Ultimately I think it comes down to how you perceive that gap between KP and Jackson (I think it's huge) and whether you're just assuming that BK pick is going to be a great pick. Who knows. Could end up #5. Could end up #2 in a 1 player draft. Remember when Wiggins was the next LeBron 12 months out of his draft? I do.
Yeah i'm more thinking I don't see the Knicks sucking enough with Porzingis to have a top 5 pick. Without him I think yes. So we get more bullets and a larger chance to suck. Also if we keep Porzingis I think there is a much higher chance we keep Melo which again increases our chances of not completely sucking which I don't want.
Can you really see the Nets not finishing in the bottom 3 in record as well? Without Lopez they are just a steaming pile of shit.
Is that they can be anything, including a bust. Just because you collect high draft picks doesn't mean they're going to be great or even good players. Porzingis would go #1 overall this year. He's the same age as the #1 consensus pick, and we already know he can play. Just in the past two drafts we've seen the "can't miss" lottery picks be misses.
Is that they can be anything, including a bust. Just because you collect high draft picks doesn't mean they're going to be great or even good players. Porzingis would go #1 overall this year. He's the same age as the #1 consensus pick, and we already know he can play. Just in the past two drafts we've seen the "can't miss" lottery picks be misses.
That isn't the point. The point is we are going to need a lot more than Porzingis to win. And he's not some money guy. He's all about winning. He is out of here if we don't put real players around him. So you are basically saying we have to strike gold at #8 or risk trading his mentor, being bad next year and alienating him further. We might not want to roll the dice on being bad and we do the same thing that we did this year. I think he will be a top 10-15 player in this league. I'm just worried about losing him. It's already going south. If the relationship deteriorates so will our leverage.
my preference is to lock in that "sure thing" and go on from there. Maybe we hit a home run with our pick in 2017 or 2018, or elsewhere (GSW got lucky). Maybe it's a FA.
I just think going with 2 new lottery tickets sets you back to square one. Cavs wouldnt be anywhere now with Kyrie-Wiggins-Bennett. Sixers got Okafor, Embiid who may never last a season, and Noel with their first 3 #1s of the rebuild.
Put KP in the bank, try to add another star. Vs. the full on scratch off model of taking a tranche of picks from BOS.
Is that they can be anything, including a bust. Just because you collect high draft picks doesn't mean they're going to be great or even good players. Porzingis would go #1 overall this year. He's the same age as the #1 consensus pick, and we already know he can play. Just in the past two drafts we've seen the "can't miss" lottery picks be misses.
That isn't the point. The point is we are going to need a lot more than Porzingis to win. And he's not some money guy. He's all about winning. He is out of here if we don't put real players around him. So you are basically saying we have to strike gold at #8 or risk trading his mentor, being bad next year and alienating him further. We might not want to roll the dice on being bad and we do the same thing that we did this year. I think he will be a top 10-15 player in this league. I'm just worried about losing him. It's already going south. If the relationship deteriorates so will our leverage.
If he leaves, it's years from now. You're right that they would need more to win, but you can start that process by deciding to stop the nonsense and begin operating like a franchise that isn't dysfunctional and doesn't scare players away. This would also increase the chance that he doesn't want to run away screaming in terror the second he's off contract.
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Also, I'm told that the Celtics and Knicks haven't had any sort of progressing talks. They last spoke this morning and haven't revisited.
everyone is saying knicks and celtics are talking and working towards a deal...never heaed of thiz guy...
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Boston can keep Crowder and his awesome contract. But #3, next years Brooklyn pick and Brown is NOT too much to ask for a 21 year old with top 10 NBA upside. All the Celtics fans sneering at this trade will be sucking KPs pee pee the first time he goes for 35 and 15. And I'm guessing the remorse will fade while Boston is playing Cleveland in the ECFs and Josh Jackson is languishing on a 10 win Knicks team putting up something like 8 and 4. Jeezus, what is wrong with you guys? Boston fans have no freaking idea how good KP can be, that much is obvious. KP will own that town if he were to go there. And I sure as hell hope he doesn't.
Crowder would be what, the 2nd or 3rd best player on your team if it traded Porzingis? So don't look down on him too much.
We know how good Porzingis can be. But let's cool it on the 35 and 15 stuff. He averaged 18 and 7. He's still young. We're all just projecting him to be a star. He's not one yet.
You don't want to trade him, we don't want to give up the assets you're looking for to trade for him. So no deal. That's fine. We don't need to make a panic trade. It's essentially 3 top 5 picks, plus another player, that you're asking for. That's quite a bit for anyone. I'd love to see if another player has ever been traded for similar value.
I'd love to see if another player with KP's upside and skill set was traded on his rookie contract. It simply does not happen. that's why you're seeing people throw around unprecedented trade packages.
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totally different information. I've seen this guy on ESPN, good track record?
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Also, I'm told that the Celtics and Knicks haven't had any sort of progressing talks. They last spoke this morning and haven't revisited.
everyone is saying knicks and celtics are talking and working towards a deal...never heaed of thiz guy...
He's legit. 130,000 followers and Begley retweeted him
You'd take Giannis but only if MILW added?
I fully get that Crowder is nothing special and is what he is. I'm just saying he's good player, even if that doesn't do much good on a bad team. And Crowder is literally the 4th asset you'd be getting in the deal Jackson apparently wants, not he main asset, not to mention he really does have a highly desirable contract around the league. If he's the 4th asset, you've done well in the trade.
With Porzingis, while he does have the potential to be an 1 or 2 option on a championship team, the Knicks are so far from getting to that point, and it will probably not happen at any point with the current regime. So while I wouldn't trade Porzingis, you do have to evaluate whether the relationship is irreparably damaged. And while you may want Phil out, Dolan is a moron. So don't bet on it.
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He did really well at times and they were pretty much weaning him in, he had no plays called for him, and he showed great poise and athleticism. He has an improving shot, including from the 3-point line, and can get to the basket extremely well. He plays several positions and is already a plus defender. And, he's improving in every area. He's a perfect match for Stevens and would be my deal-breaker for anyone who's not Anthony Davis.
You'd take Giannis but only if MILW added?
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Talk about overvaluing. I like Brown but to me he's a bigger Jae Crowder. DOn't see any star in him.
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He did really well at times and they were pretty much weaning him in, he had no plays called for him, and he showed great poise and athleticism. He has an improving shot, including from the 3-point line, and can get to the basket extremely well. He plays several positions and is already a plus defender. And, he's improving in every area. He's a perfect match for Stevens and would be my deal-breaker for anyone who's not Anthony Davis.
Talk about overvaluing. I like Brown but to me he's a bigger Jae Crowder. DOn't see any star in him.
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What the hell are you even talking about. Are you kidding me?
With Porzingis, while he does have the potential to be an 1 or 2 option on a championship team, the Knicks are so far from getting to that point, and it will probably not happen at any point with the current regime. So while I wouldn't trade Porzingis, you do have to evaluate whether the relationship is irreparably damaged. And while you may want Phil out, Dolan is a moron. So don't bet on it.
Phil talks about trading KP if it is what's best for the team, but his ego driving trades is not best for the team, and his personal timeline to win a championship is not what's best for the team. Fact is that a guy like KP probably doesnt get into his "title window" best case for another 4 years. If that's not Phil's time frame, he needs to retire, because there is almost no path to getting a title in NY in the next 4 years. LeBron (wherever he is) and GSW will be murderous for at least 2 more seasons, conservatively. They may not win 2-3 more titles, but they're so good that the KNICKS have no chance of catching them in 2-3 years.
This is what I dont get about the modern NBA. A guy like Ainge gets it -- he sees that his team isnt really title competitive. Yet most teams are just plugging along looking to get marginally better. Lets get Dwight Howard! Lets trade for Aldridge! I guess if you need to sell tickets, so be it, it's a business. But otherwise any teams that is forced to go for it (e.g. LAC) should be thinking long term. If you have a Porzingis and you cant wait for him to develop, you're in the wrong business and are misreading the league.
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He did really well at times and they were pretty much weaning him in, he had no plays called for him, and he showed great poise and athleticism. He has an improving shot, including from the 3-point line, and can get to the basket extremely well. He plays several positions and is already a plus defender. And, he's improving in every area. He's a perfect match for Stevens and would be my deal-breaker for anyone who's not Anthony Davis.
Talk about overvaluing. I like Brown but to me he's a bigger Jae Crowder. DOn't see any star in him.
I definitely do. I think nearly I saw every game he played in last year...well, maybe not some of the west coast night games...and for his age and the trajectory from first game to last, yup, I definitely do.
Must come as a surprise to you as to why Ainge wants Tatum or KP so bad then.
I wouldn't even deal KP to boston if they offered too much. But Phil is going full heel...so...yeah.
"Gut says Phil doesn't deal him but you never know. 60/40 he stays, no promises though"
(My question was "promise me Phil doesn't trade KP")
My guy said Frenchy or Monk are the "overwhelming" favorites to be the pick (this was last night). He said most of the writers are hearing Frenchy but some think Monk is the guy Phil covets.
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This is what I dont get about the modern NBA. A guy like Ainge gets it -- he sees that his team isnt really title competitive. Yet most teams are just plugging along looking to get marginally better. Lets get Dwight Howard! Lets trade for Aldridge! I guess if you need to sell tickets, so be it, it's a business. But otherwise any teams that is forced to go for it (e.g. LAC) should be thinking long term. If you have a Porzingis and you cant wait for him to develop, you're in the wrong business and are misreading the league.
Ainge is currently benefitting from an overzealous Brooklyn owner who gave up their future to win a title and stick it to the Knicks. How did that pan out for Brooklyn? All 5 starters and the coach have departed.
Difference is, Boston has more assists and can afford to make a big trade to try and get over the hump. Huge difference in trading for a 21 year old kid vs 2 aging veterans
The guy I spoke to thought Monk checked off a bunch of Phil's boxes and still would allow him to be a bit "outside the box". He sort of hinted he thought Monk would be the guy but then said "everyone seems it's the French kid". Monk would not surprise me at all.
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of how quiet the Knicks/Monk connection has been. He thinks it's a little "too quiet" and suspects he's the guy. I hope the Mavs trade up and remove all doubt.
The guy I spoke to thought Monk checked off a bunch of Phil's boxes and still would allow him to be a bit "outside the box". He sort of hinted he thought Monk would be the guy but then said "everyone seems it's the French kid". Monk would not surprise me at all.
i cant remember was there a lot of noise around knicks and kp?
What does Frenchie get Phil, assuming he REALLY pans out (say, a combo guard version of Batum?). Is that guy good enough to be the #2 on a title team? He isnt Pippen or even Rodman.
Now what about Monk? Well if he can play 1 he can defend his position, and he's got 20+ point potential. Like KP he has unlimited range, meaning you're now adding feet to the basketball court -- your 1 and 4 can stand shoot from the BQE and suddenly your 2, 3, 5 have a ton of court to mess with. Lee can knock them down and there is hope that a healthy Lance can defend and corner 3 it. It's a plan even in the near term.
Monk to the Suns......
What's complicating this is that KP actions are drawing attention to Phil's failures, and KP isnt buying into the zen mind games. Worked on Kobe and MJ (I guess, who knows). But those were talented teams and Phil was coaching, in his physical prime. Now he's a sleepy old man and team executive, who is obviously meddling with coaching. Phil feels entitled to respect based on his coaching record and his title, but it's a what have you dont for me lately world. Nothing he's done says to KP "trust me, I got this".
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4 is high for monk and over jackson or tatum? both would be great fits with the suns
I was only joking. Honestly though at this point I am expecting the worst which would be that Monk is the guy, has been told he's the guy, and then Minnesota trades out and someone else grabs him at 7.
Well, the fair comp is:
Jackson, Monk/Smith, Brown, Willy, BK #1, next year's #1 vs
KP, Monk/Smith, Willy, next year's #1.
Figure the top option gives us a better chance for a top 3 pick... maybe. KP is better than Jackson and Brown, but the two of them combined could give you a working lineup next season.
Ultimately I think it comes down to how you perceive that gap between KP and Jackson (I think it's huge) and whether you're just assuming that BK pick is going to be a great pick. Who knows. Could end up #5. Could end up #2 in a 1 player draft. Remember when Wiggins was the next LeBron 12 months out of his draft? I do.
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but I can't believe there are people on this thread that wouldn't do 3, the Nets pick next year and Brown for him. Get rid of Melo. Tank one more year. Get two top 5 picks next year to add to Fox or Jackson + Smith / Tatum / Monk + Brown + Willy. That's actually a team. What we have now plus the 8th pick isn't a team.
Well, the fair comp is:
Jackson, Monk/Smith, Brown, Willy, BK #1, next year's #1 vs
KP, Monk/Smith, Willy, next year's #1.
Figure the top option gives us a better chance for a top 3 pick... maybe. KP is better than Jackson and Brown, but the two of them combined could give you a working lineup next season.
Ultimately I think it comes down to how you perceive that gap between KP and Jackson (I think it's huge) and whether you're just assuming that BK pick is going to be a great pick. Who knows. Could end up #5. Could end up #2 in a 1 player draft. Remember when Wiggins was the next LeBron 12 months out of his draft? I do.
Yeah i'm more thinking I don't see the Knicks sucking enough with Porzingis to have a top 5 pick. Without him I think yes. So we get more bullets and a larger chance to suck. Also if we keep Porzingis I think there is a much higher chance we keep Melo which again increases our chances of not completely sucking which I don't want.
Can you really see the Nets not finishing in the bottom 3 in record as well? Without Lopez they are just a steaming pile of shit.
That isn't the point. The point is we are going to need a lot more than Porzingis to win. And he's not some money guy. He's all about winning. He is out of here if we don't put real players around him. So you are basically saying we have to strike gold at #8 or risk trading his mentor, being bad next year and alienating him further. We might not want to roll the dice on being bad and we do the same thing that we did this year. I think he will be a top 10-15 player in this league. I'm just worried about losing him. It's already going south. If the relationship deteriorates so will our leverage.
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Assuming other guys don't drop.
I just think going with 2 new lottery tickets sets you back to square one. Cavs wouldnt be anywhere now with Kyrie-Wiggins-Bennett. Sixers got Okafor, Embiid who may never last a season, and Noel with their first 3 #1s of the rebuild.
Put KP in the bank, try to add another star. Vs. the full on scratch off model of taking a tranche of picks from BOS.
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Is that they can be anything, including a bust. Just because you collect high draft picks doesn't mean they're going to be great or even good players. Porzingis would go #1 overall this year. He's the same age as the #1 consensus pick, and we already know he can play. Just in the past two drafts we've seen the "can't miss" lottery picks be misses.
That isn't the point. The point is we are going to need a lot more than Porzingis to win. And he's not some money guy. He's all about winning. He is out of here if we don't put real players around him. So you are basically saying we have to strike gold at #8 or risk trading his mentor, being bad next year and alienating him further. We might not want to roll the dice on being bad and we do the same thing that we did this year. I think he will be a top 10-15 player in this league. I'm just worried about losing him. It's already going south. If the relationship deteriorates so will our leverage.
If he leaves, it's years from now. You're right that they would need more to win, but you can start that process by deciding to stop the nonsense and begin operating like a franchise that isn't dysfunctional and doesn't scare players away. This would also increase the chance that he doesn't want to run away screaming in terror the second he's off contract.