NFT: NBA Chat: KEEP KP

Bender 5.3 PER, NEGATIVE 0.029 WS/48.... AWFUL rookie season #Knicks

That's a "throw-in" to a major trade not a target. He went 4th overall in a weak draft and was viewed as a response to KP being so good. We have KP. I'm prepared to be sick tonight... please keep KP unless you are truly blown away. Bender and #4 and I will literally have trouble sleeping.

And get the 3 or 4 pick this year plus another young player and maybe a future pick then I'd trade him

than just skipping the exit interview. It just doesn't make sense.

Would be awful, is someone actually reporting that or just u guys speculating?

In comment 13507198 GiantFilthy said:

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than just skipping the exit interview. It just doesn't make sense.

Yes, Phil Jackson's ego.

The organization is a joke. Phil's ego cannot fit inside MSG. Anybody that goes against him needs to be taught a lesson. Phil has always been called the Zen Master because of the way he would push players' buttons. This could all just be lip service to let Porzingis know Phil has control over him. Either way, I would hope my GM listens to any and all offers for his players. If not then he isn't doing his job. Never leave a stone unturned. That doesn't mean he needs to pull the trigger on any deal but the more he says no to deals the more the asking price goes up. His job is to put a legit contender on the court. It isn't about holding onto one player. So, like most, I would love to build around Porzingis but if the right deal comes along then you have to consider it.

In comment 13507203 GMEN46 said:

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Would be awful, is someone actually reporting that or just u guys speculating?

there was a report last night that the suns are making chriss and bender available but knicks want booker

In comment 13507198 GiantFilthy said:

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than just skipping the exit interview. It just doesn't make sense.

I think the brother's comment this week that KP wants to stay despite how NYK is treating their players. KP didnt go to the meeting of course. And if you want to reach, there were some post game comments where KP expressed his frustration that they dont know what they're doing on offense/schematically.

Add it all up in Phil's eyes and it's KP communicating that the team is a mess. Which it is but Im sure Phil thinks he's zen mastering the shit out of this gig.

but Pho has to throw in a #1 in 2020/1 that is unprotected.

Then trade Melo to Clev for two future #1s

That way you stockpile number one picks and your core is:

Jackson
Smith/Monk
Bender

Then you get another top 3 pick next year. Maybe even the #1 pick.

I love KP but he already has foot/leg problems. Might be the safer bet to deal him if you can get a haul in return

He's going to be traded. Sorry Knicks fans

if you can get 2 top 5 picks next year you are really setting yourself up there are some franchise talents, at least projected right now, in that draft...

Is the evidence Bender is a "core" player? He was beyond awful. It's notbas if the predraft buzz was raving. He was viewed as a poor man's KP. I'd take Markkanen over Bender without thinking twice and he too has a "lesser KP" vibe. Maybe Bender develops but he was pathetic as a rookie and isn't a "freak" athlete. He may be an absolute bum.

Suns pick might be an awful pick. They will have Booker, Bledsoe, Chriss and KP as their core. Yuck

KP and Melo to Lakers for

2nd pick this year
Deng
Black
Ingram

In comment 13507218 larryflower37 said:

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KP and Melo to Lakers for 2nd pick this year Deng Black Ingram

no

Porzingis and #8 for Bledsoe, #4 and a #1 pick next year

In comment 13507220 brunswick said:

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Porzingis and #8 for Bledsoe, #4 and a #1 pick next year

Fuck no. Puke.

In comment 13507198 GiantFilthy said:

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than just skipping the exit interview. It just doesn't make sense.

i think its more about kp ignoring hornacek and phils overtures to speak to him, i think him skipping the exit meeting was one thing and they understood he was frustrated but not responding to them i think that is ehat is fueling everything

In comment 13507214 nygiants16 said:

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if you can get 2 top 5 picks next year you are really setting yourself up there are some franchise talents, at least projected right now, in that draft...

Why would anyone expect the Suns with Bledsoe, KP, Booker and one of Chris's or Bender plus Chandler etc be top 5 bad next year? Bizarre

In comment 13507220 brunswick said:

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Porzingis and #8 for Bledsoe, #4 and a #1 pick next year

nope the whoke point is to get 2 top 10 picks this year

Muscles. Said the right shit on MSG. His job is to improve the team. He is not giving KP away.

frankly the only team that can approcah putting together a package of fair value for KP is the Celtics and do we really want to see him competing for title year in year out in that puke green? I guess if you are dead set on trading him thats the direction you go. They can offer a package of top picks and a young player that would allow for the best chance at a re-build.

In comment 13507223 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13507214 nygiants16 said: Quote: if you can get 2 top 5 picks next year you are really setting yourself up there are some franchise talents, at least projected right now, in that draft... Why would anyone expect the Suns with Bledsoe, KP, Booker and one of Chris's or Bender plus Chandler etc be top 5 bad next year? Bizarre

woj said last night no deal will happen without booker involved..

the trade rumor came from a fake account.

to Boston for all the picks they've accumulated.

At this point I don't even know how many that is officially but obviously number 3, Brooklyn's 2018, Philly.

Boston can try to contend with LeBron and Golden State now.

The Knicks would be left with (I think) 5 lottery picks in 2 years.

If I'm an NBA franchise I'm looking to rebuild now while the entire season and postseason is completely meaningless for all but 4 teams.

Only the Knicks....

He's just tired of all the Knicks fans criticizing his brilliance and decided to troll them for a bit. Just more PJ mind games.






(I hope)

If they gut this team(KP, Melo) it better bring back a ton of picks

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He's just tired of all the Knicks fans criticizing his brilliance and decided to troll them for a bit. Just more PJ mind games. (I hope)

i think its more phil flexing his muscles towards janis

more than the Knicks. It's also being reported that they are inquiring about De'Andre Jordan, so I think they have the For Sale sign up and want everyone to know it.

Bender would be a horrible return. He sucks. #4 and Booker, maybe Criss (who I think will be a good player), but even then, PHO would have to sweeten the pot. At the end of the day, I think this is a lot of smoke.

1. This is what happens when you have old and out of touch men running things. Say what you want about the "posse" comment from Phil re: LeBron's team, but it was an out of touch and old man response to not being okay with the shift LeBron has created on the league (being his own industry).

2. Is there ANY CHANCE that Phil is just "teaching the boy a lesson", i.e., "we'll show Kristaps, I know he loves NY but let's entertain offers so he will fall into line"?

I'm really hoping that is the case because if we trade KP, I may turn in my fan card until this GM/ownership situation changes.

will try to "rebuild" by trading away a 21 year old player?

Only the Knicks

no disrespect to others opinions but I'm really stunned the sort of deals you would be willing to make. Yeah I guess I'd stomach Booker and #4, Booker has displayed skills that may translate into at worst a high level scorer (admittedly I'm a big fan) but things like the Suns 2020 pick? There is a very real chance by 2020 the Suns are one of the best young core's in the NBA with Booker/KP/Chriss/Bledsoe. That could be one of the ascending teams in the NBA. I'm a massive Josh Jackson fan but stars win rings. If you do KP for Jackson and Bender basically if Jackson is anything less than an absolute superstar you made a terrible trade.

Nothing..

i was at a knicks game, kps rookie year, kp was hurt and done for season at this point, i got great tickets right behind knicks bench 1st row...

janis was standing there and the game was about to start and a security guy comes over and says hey it is time to clear court...

janis says ok, then looks at the guy he is talking to rolls his eyes and goes does that guy know who i am and stood there and didnt move for another 5 mins, now you can say it means nothing but it seems like janis got a big head because of his brothers success

In comment 13507247 tbonfig said:

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will try to "rebuild" by trading away a 21 year old player? Only the Knicks

I had the exact same thought. It seems they're embracing a rebuild for the first time in 20 years, so of course step one is to deal the young stud who was a gift from the basketball gods.

In comment 13507251 Chris684 said:

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Nothing..

It has everything to do with it. How else do you explain the fact that Phil specifically spent a portion of that 5 minute interview last night emphasizing that he has never had a player miss an exit interview. Clearly a sign of disrespect to him and now one of the top 20/30 (?) players in the league is part of trade discussions.

In comment 13507252 nygiants16 said:

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i was at a knicks game, kps rookie year, kp was hurt and done for season at this point, i got great tickets right behind knicks bench 1st row... janis was standing there and the game was about to start and a security guy comes over and says hey it is time to clear court... janis says ok, then looks at the guy he is talking to rolls his eyes and goes does that guy know who i am and stood there and didnt move for another 5 mins, now you can say it means nothing but it seems like janis got a big head because of his brothers success

Who the hell cares about Janis? You don't think the reps for other players have "big heads"? Scott Boras? David Falk? Prior to this "skipped exit interview" please provide examples/evidence (of any kind) that KP has a "big head". Kid has seemingly worked his ass off, loves the game. Be upset about the exit interview, that is your right but "big headed brother" is absurd.

In comment 13507253 bceagle05 said:

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In comment 13507247 tbonfig said: Quote: will try to "rebuild" by trading away a 21 year old player? Only the Knicks I had the exact same thought. It seems they're embracing a rebuild for the first time in 20 years, so of course step one is to deal the young stud who was a gift from the basketball gods.

On a team with Noah, Melo, Sasha, Lee (all 31 and over).

HOLY - I just looked it up and Kristaps is LITERALLY the youngest player on this team! Hernangomez is two years older at 23! Ron Baker is 24!!! WTF

pretend Janis is pushing for KP to be traded (absolutely zero evidence/mention of this anywhere, I mean anywhere even the "Knicks hating" media) but let's pretend that's the case... Phil Jackson... Smug Big Chief Triangle would quietly listen to this "demand/request"? Uh, why?

ever not push the triangle as long as Phil is here? Not likely, right?

In comment 13507256 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13507252 nygiants16 said: Quote: i was at a knicks game, kps rookie year, kp was hurt and done for season at this point, i got great tickets right behind knicks bench 1st row... janis was standing there and the game was about to start and a security guy comes over and says hey it is time to clear court... janis says ok, then looks at the guy he is talking to rolls his eyes and goes does that guy know who i am and stood there and didnt move for another 5 mins, now you can say it means nothing but it seems like janis got a big head because of his brothers success Who the hell cares about Janis? You don't think the reps for other players have "big heads"? Scott Boras? David Falk? Prior to this "skipped exit interview" please provide examples/evidence (of any kind) that KP has a "big head". Kid has seemingly worked his ass off, loves the game. Be upset about the exit interview, that is your right but "big headed brother" is absurd.

my whole point was it is not kp, it is janis who is telling kp what to do...

i dont think kp would have done this without janis in his head telling him to do this, that was my point....

i am actually absolving kp sayong he is not the type to blatantly not show up for something

In comment 13507258 DanMetroMan said:

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pretend Janis is pushing for KP to be traded (absolutely zero evidence/mention of this anywhere, I mean anywhere even the "Knicks hating" media) but let's pretend that's the case... Phil Jackson... Smug Big Chief Triangle would quietly listen to this "demand/request"? Uh, why?

i never said he was pushing for a trade, i think this is a power trip on both sides...

janis told kp hey skip exit meeting and show the knkcks how mad you are...

phil says ok you want to play that game i am going listen to offers..

i also think knicks not letting kp play for latvia was the first gut punch from knicks to kp and kp took it a little personally...

i thinkt hat is why he was so hell bent on playing this year...

the fact these discussions even have to occur, is disturbing in itself.

and this was all kp but it doesnt seem loke kp to jist blatantly not talk to the knicks

lets pretend Janis pushed his brother to do this... and to ignore the texts... and to be upset... THAT'S a reason you sell low on a 21 year old player the ENTIRE league wants? You trade Porzingis in a deal where the return is "holy shit" not "seems reasonably fair if things work out". Outside of those on here who think KP is nothing special, is there anyone on here who doubts KP isn't going to be at WORST a 3rd best player on a contending team? And at best (if everything works out) a franchise player? Stars win rings, not this silly idea that Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder types (while nice players) move the needle.

In comment 13507251 Chris684 said:

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Nothing..

Is this sarcasm? Phil made an ass out of himself with his nonsense about the warriors and the 3-point shot.

In comment 13507270 DanMetroMan said:

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lets pretend Janis pushed his brother to do this... and to ignore the texts... and to be upset... THAT'S a reason you sell low on a 21 year old player the ENTIRE league wants? You trade Porzingis in a deal where the return is "holy shit" not "seems reasonably fair if things work out". Outside of those on here who think KP is nothing special, is there anyone on here who doubts KP isn't going to be at WORST a 3rd best player on a contending team? And at best (if everything works out) a franchise player? Stars win rings, not this silly idea that Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder types (while nice players) move the needle.

who said anything about selling low? every single report says knicks asking price is absurdly high, who is selling low?

everyone says no one wants to go to the knicks, they are in shambles ans the player who has been ridiculed the most doesnt even eant to leave...

you would think melo would be banging down the door