He's employed by the Knicks. He should follow their rules. This ridiculous idea that these players should do whatever they want when they disagree with how the team is run is stupid.
You're excellent at creating straw-men and then pummeling them. Good for you.
Seeing Porzingis in a Celtics uniform will drive a stake through the
He's employed by the Knicks. He should follow their rules. This ridiculous idea that these players should do whatever they want when they disagree with how the team is run is stupid.
I think the divide on this issue comes down to "now what?". There are those on BBI who think Beckham's OTA stuff = "no way I'm giving him a big contract when it's up" and those people are likely the same ones who are willing to trade KP based on the exit meeting stuff. I think you can both suggest it was potentially the "wrong" move and still agree (not suggesting YOU have to) but people can.. that it's nowhere near grounds to trade/consider trading such a player.
RE: Yeah lets root for our team to suck for the next 10 years
He's employed by the Knicks. He should follow their rules. This ridiculous idea that these players should do whatever they want when they disagree with how the team is run is stupid.
I think the divide on this issue comes down to "now what?". There are those on BBI who think Beckham's OTA stuff = "no way I'm giving him a big contract when it's up" and those people are likely the same ones who are willing to trade KP based on the exit meeting stuff. I think you can both suggest it was potentially the "wrong" move and still agree (not suggesting YOU have to) but people can.. that it's nowhere near grounds to trade/consider trading such a player.
I think it was wrong. I think a professional should show up to the meeting and tell management what he thinks. Isn't that what an exit meeting is for? Tell them that you are unhappy with how they are running things.
It's certainly not something that would make me trade the player, especially not KP. I think it should be a teaching lesson for the kid on how to be a professional.
RE: RE: I guess it can't hurt to listen to offers,
but I don't know what anyone can offer that would make me even think about it. I guess Boston can put a package together that would make me think, but I don't think I'd pull the trigger. KP is a building block that you would pray an early draft pick would turn into.
I don't know if this is an ego thing with Phil or if he's trying to send a message to the kid, but I don't like it at all. I'm not excusing KP's behavior either.
It seems the new theme is anti-management, which is dumb. It's his employer and he should tell them how he feels in his exit interview if he wants to do things the right way. There is no justifying skipping a meeting with your bosses.
skipping the meeting is one thing, you can call it a a lapse in judgement or whatever bit the continuing not answering hornaceks and phils calls is worrisome
What's the reporting on this? Honest question. Looking for a link.
RE: RE: This new theme on bbi is so beyond stupid and unrealistic.
He's employed by the Knicks. He should follow their rules. This ridiculous idea that these players should do whatever they want when they disagree with how the team is run is stupid.
I think the divide on this issue comes down to "now what?". There are those on BBI who think Beckham's OTA stuff = "no way I'm giving him a big contract when it's up" and those people are likely the same ones who are willing to trade KP based on the exit meeting stuff. I think you can both suggest it was potentially the "wrong" move and still agree (not suggesting YOU have to) but people can.. that it's nowhere near grounds to trade/consider trading such a player.
the people that would be ok with trading kp, for me anyway, need to be blown away...
i wouldnt even trade him for booker and 4...i am not giving him away
Could KP have handled this better? Probably. Could Phil Jackson have handled it better? Most likely. Should we expect more from Phil than KP? I think so. Has Phil earned the benefit of the doubt via his operation of the Knicks? Hell no.
RE: RE: RE: I guess it can't hurt to listen to offers,
but I don't know what anyone can offer that would make me even think about it. I guess Boston can put a package together that would make me think, but I don't think I'd pull the trigger. KP is a building block that you would pray an early draft pick would turn into.
I don't know if this is an ego thing with Phil or if he's trying to send a message to the kid, but I don't like it at all. I'm not excusing KP's behavior either.
It seems the new theme is anti-management, which is dumb. It's his employer and he should tell them how he feels in his exit interview if he wants to do things the right way. There is no justifying skipping a meeting with your bosses.
skipping the meeting is one thing, you can call it a a lapse in judgement or whatever bit the continuing not answering hornaceks and phils calls is worrisome
What's the reporting on this? Honest question. Looking for a link.
hornacek during the combine said he called and texted him no response...
phil last night said no calls answered made it sound like he got a text or 2...
that these exit meetings will be like normal exit meetings, where you can air out grievances as reasonable people.
Everything Phil has done in his time here suggests otherwise. From the bizarre potshots at 3 point shooting and LeBron to the indecisiveness over whether trying to rebuild or contend (can't do both at the same time) to shitty FA signings to using the media to smear and pressure one of his best (and admittedly flawed) players into waiving the NTC that he gave him.
Phil has lost the benefit of the doubt from many fans and likely from KP too as he should.
To is Boston. I want the 3rd pick this year and the Nets pick next year just to start. I'd also ask for Jaylen Brown and possibly another first in 2019 or a few seconds in 2017/2018.
this, suns do not have enough to make me want to do a trade...
top 5 this year is nice but next years picks are the value and like dan said they might be too good to get top 5...
Danny would be righl;y vilified forever if he came anywhere near that.
I think that you guys have to come to grips with the fact that the minimum that you would accept is way way more than anyone would give. It's likely he's still on your team tomorrow.
some others I'm not even defending KP in regard to the interview or the texts but Phil has set up a situation where the coach looks like a puppet for the president and weak. Further, we don't even know what the texts said. What if the texts were inflammatory? What if they were a continuation of what upset him in the first place? It's funny, Hornacek might be the worst coach in the NBA (or the best) and we wouldn't even know because he's basically an "assistant" coach with an Asian porn fiend sitting next to him reporting back to Phil.
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hornacek during the combine said he called and texted him no response...
phil last night said no calls answered made it sound like he got a text or 2...
Actually, Hornacek said he sent a text to KP, and didnt answer when asked if KP responded. So you have no idea if KP responded. You also have no idea what the text said. Maybe it wasnt a question or request. Maybe it was "I know you're frustrated, we're working our asses off. We see the same problems and are addressing them". Doesnt need a response, and if it did a text may not be best.
So it's irresponsible for people to go around saying KP is ignoring Horny's texts.
I'll have to get a transcript to see what Phil said. Link - ( New Window )
To is Boston. I want the 3rd pick this year and the Nets pick next year just to start. I'd also ask for Jaylen Brown and possibly another first in 2019 or a few seconds in 2017/2018.
this, suns do not have enough to make me want to do a trade...
top 5 this year is nice but next years picks are the value and like dan said they might be too good to get top 5...
Danny would be righl;y vilified forever if he came anywhere near that.
I think that you guys have to come to grips with the fact that the minimum that you would accept is way way more than anyone would give. It's likely he's still on your team tomorrow.
come to grips? ok so then the knicks keep kp, what is there to come to grips to?
and you know ainge is the same guy who offered four firsts for justice winslow right?
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hornacek during the combine said he called and texted him no response...
phil last night said no calls answered made it sound like he got a text or 2...
Actually, Hornacek said he sent a text to KP, and didnt answer when asked if KP responded. So you have no idea if KP responded. You also have no idea what the text said. Maybe it wasnt a question or request. Maybe it was "I know you're frustrated, we're working our asses off. We see the same problems and are addressing them". Doesnt need a response, and if it did a text may not be best.
So it's irresponsible for people to go around saying KP is ignoring Horny's texts.
I'll have to get a transcript to see what Phil said. Link - ( New Window )
To is Boston. I want the 3rd pick this year and the Nets pick next year just to start. I'd also ask for Jaylen Brown and possibly another first in 2019 or a few seconds in 2017/2018.
this, suns do not have enough to make me want to do a trade...
top 5 this year is nice but next years picks are the value and like dan said they might be too good to get top 5...
Danny would be righl;y vilified forever if he came anywhere near that.
I think that you guys have to come to grips with the fact that the minimum that you would accept is way way more than anyone would give. It's likely he's still on your team tomorrow.
This is the second or third time you've said this. Yet you thought the putrid suggestion of Bradley, Crowder and a 1st was very fair. You are out of your mind. KP is a potential top 10 NBA player down the road. Yet you think a couple of 1st rounders and Jaylen Brown is excessive? Nobody knows how the draft picks will turn out. They could end up total busts. We all know what KP can be. He's got superstar upside. You are falling in love a little too much with your boy Ainges obsession for accumulating draft picks. You use draft picks HOPING to get a guy like KP. Who's also still only 21 years old.
If KP were in a Celtics uniform, you wouldn't be suggesting that Brown and a couple of 1sts is so ludicrous. The fans that watch him every day know how special he can be, otherwise their wouldn't be such universal disdain for any of these trade ideas. Avery Bradley and Crowder? Get the F outta here with that garbage.
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Yeah, there is no evidence of that. You'd think, as leaky as shit is, that you'd have an express report that Kris is ignoring the Knicks. You dont. You have Marc Berman (a professional idiot) reporting his own suppositions from unanswered questions.
by the thinnest of hairs on sticking with this franchise. I could never change who I root for, it's Knicks or casual fan of NBA. But, I'm real nervous for tonight. I really want to see the Knicks build around KP. I won't say if they trade him, I'm done because obviously there are packages that can't be passed up. I just think every time I get even the least bit excited for something involving the Knicks, I just open my legs wider for a bigger kick to the nuts. It's sad it's come to this, but KP is the only reason I even watched the Knicks last year.
To is Boston. I want the 3rd pick this year and the Nets pick next year just to start. I'd also ask for Jaylen Brown and possibly another first in 2019 or a few seconds in 2017/2018.
this, suns do not have enough to make me want to do a trade...
top 5 this year is nice but next years picks are the value and like dan said they might be too good to get top 5...
Danny would be righl;y vilified forever if he came anywhere near that.
I think that you guys have to come to grips with the fact that the minimum that you would accept is way way more than anyone would give. It's likely he's still on your team tomorrow.
come to grips? ok so then the knicks keep kp, what is there to come to grips to?
and you know ainge is the same guy who offered four firsts for justice winslow right?
Firstly, nobody has said which picks they were. Two of them were the number 16 and 28 from that draft and the other would be future picks. As likely as not, they would be the C's own picks. Here, you're talking two #3 picks and a potential #1 pick. It's not reasonable. But since that's all that you would accept, then you're saying that you wold do no trade at all. Which is fine, if you're the GM.
To is Boston. I want the 3rd pick this year and the Nets pick next year just to start. I'd also ask for Jaylen Brown and possibly another first in 2019 or a few seconds in 2017/2018.
this, suns do not have enough to make me want to do a trade...
top 5 this year is nice but next years picks are the value and like dan said they might be too good to get top 5...
Danny would be righl;y vilified forever if he came anywhere near that.
I think that you guys have to come to grips with the fact that the minimum that you would accept is way way more than anyone would give. It's likely he's still on your team tomorrow.
This is the second or third time you've said this. Yet you thought the putrid suggestion of Bradley, Crowder and a 1st was very fair. You are out of your mind. KP is a potential top 10 NBA player down the road. Yet you think a couple of 1st rounders and Jaylen Brown is excessive? Nobody knows how the draft picks will turn out. They could end up total busts. We all know what KP can be. He's got superstar upside. You are falling in love a little too much with your boy Ainges obsession for accumulating draft picks. You use draft picks HOPING to get a guy like KP. Who's also still only 21 years old.
If KP were in a Celtics uniform, you wouldn't be suggesting that Brown and a couple of 1sts is so ludicrous. The fans that watch him every day know how special he can be, otherwise their wouldn't be such universal disdain for any of these trade ideas. Avery Bradley and Crowder? Get the F outta here with that garbage.
Now I've said it 4 times. I think it's you who is doing the over-valuing.
Yeah, there is no evidence of that. You'd think, as leaky as shit is, that you'd have an express report that Kris is ignoring the Knicks. You dont. You have Marc Berman (a professional idiot) reporting his own suppositions from unanswered questions.
the whole thing just pisses me off, both sides all of this could of been avoided if they just talked before kp left, i dont care if they sat there yelling at each other...
i will never stop rooting for the knickd, i am just not built that way but this shot is just getting annoying
To is Boston. I want the 3rd pick this year and the Nets pick next year just to start. I'd also ask for Jaylen Brown and possibly another first in 2019 or a few seconds in 2017/2018.
this, suns do not have enough to make me want to do a trade...
top 5 this year is nice but next years picks are the value and like dan said they might be too good to get top 5...
Danny would be righl;y vilified forever if he came anywhere near that.
I think that you guys have to come to grips with the fact that the minimum that you would accept is way way more than anyone would give. It's likely he's still on your team tomorrow.
This is the second or third time you've said this. Yet you thought the putrid suggestion of Bradley, Crowder and a 1st was very fair. You are out of your mind. KP is a potential top 10 NBA player down the road. Yet you think a couple of 1st rounders and Jaylen Brown is excessive? Nobody knows how the draft picks will turn out. They could end up total busts. We all know what KP can be. He's got superstar upside. You are falling in love a little too much with your boy Ainges obsession for accumulating draft picks. You use draft picks HOPING to get a guy like KP. Who's also still only 21 years old.
If KP were in a Celtics uniform, you wouldn't be suggesting that Brown and a couple of 1sts is so ludicrous. The fans that watch him every day know how special he can be, otherwise their wouldn't be such universal disdain for any of these trade ideas. Avery Bradley and Crowder? Get the F outta here with that garbage.
Now I've said it 4 times. I think it's you who is doing the over-valuing.
It's not just us. Have you paid attention to some of the league wide tweets coming down? Apparently there are some players on other teams that are pretty excited to try to persuade KP to their teams as well. Durant seems like a pretty big fan based on his prior comments, etc...but yeah, the fans who watch him every day and don't want him traded are over valuing him. You think that if he was being overvalued, there would be SOMEBODY, somewhere advocating for them to trade him for a package like you suggest? It is absolutely 100% universal that it should take a huge haul if they deal him. So yeah, I'm gonna go with it being YOU that is off on this.
said there HAS been communication between KP and the Knicks, it's just been limited.
-Knicks met with Collins
Begley tried to pass off info he got from Janis back in April as new intel two days ago, then minutes after it was announced that Phil had an interview coming up on MSG last night Begley corrected himself that there had been communication because he knew Phil was going to mention that there had been communication. Its easy to spew bullshit when no one from the Knicks ever talks, but he had to cover himself once he knew the bullshit would get called out.
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It's not just us. Have you paid attention to some of the league wide tweets coming down? Apparently there are some players on other teams that are pretty excited to try to persuade KP to their teams as well. Durant seems like a pretty big fan based on his prior comments, etc...but yeah, the fans who watch him every day and don't want him traded are over valuing him. You think that if he was being overvalued, there would be SOMEBODY, somewhere advocating for them to trade him for a package like you suggest? It is absolutely 100% universal that it should take a huge haul if they deal him. So yeah, I'm gonna go with it being YOU that is off on this.
I have paid attention. The reports I saw were that the club itself is asking for a top 4 pick and an established starting player. That's way less than a #3, A#3 player last year and for sure starter in time, and a potential #1, best player in the draft. Heck, you might not have thought it was fair, but #3, Bradley and Crowder actually *exceed* that asking price if what was reported is true. Although, to me Crowder makes little sense if you're taking Josh Jackson.
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It's not just us. Have you paid attention to some of the league wide tweets coming down? Apparently there are some players on other teams that are pretty excited to try to persuade KP to their teams as well. Durant seems like a pretty big fan based on his prior comments, etc...but yeah, the fans who watch him every day and don't want him traded are over valuing him. You think that if he was being overvalued, there would be SOMEBODY, somewhere advocating for them to trade him for a package like you suggest? It is absolutely 100% universal that it should take a huge haul if they deal him. So yeah, I'm gonna go with it being YOU that is off on this.
I have paid attention. The reports I saw were that the club itself is asking for a top 4 pick and an established starting player. That's way less than a #3, A#3 player last year and for sure starter in time, and a potential #1, best player in the draft. Heck, you might not have thought it was fair, but #3, Bradley and Crowder actually *exceed* that asking price if what was reported is true. Although, to me Crowder makes little sense if you're taking Josh Jackson.
Crowder and Bradley don't make sense at all of the Knicks. Knicks should be rebuilding. Bradley and Crowder are in their primes. They don't align with what the Knicks should be doing unless Phil is still trying to compete.
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It's not just us. Have you paid attention to some of the league wide tweets coming down? Apparently there are some players on other teams that are pretty excited to try to persuade KP to their teams as well. Durant seems like a pretty big fan based on his prior comments, etc...but yeah, the fans who watch him every day and don't want him traded are over valuing him. You think that if he was being overvalued, there would be SOMEBODY, somewhere advocating for them to trade him for a package like you suggest? It is absolutely 100% universal that it should take a huge haul if they deal him. So yeah, I'm gonna go with it being YOU that is off on this.
I have paid attention. The reports I saw were that the club itself is asking for a top 4 pick and an established starting player. That's way less than a #3, A#3 player last year and for sure starter in time, and a potential #1, best player in the draft. Heck, you might not have thought it was fair, but #3, Bradley and Crowder actually *exceed* that asking price if what was reported is true. Although, to me Crowder makes little sense if you're taking Josh Jackson.
Crowder and Bradley don't make sense at all of the Knicks. Knicks should be rebuilding. Bradley and Crowder are in their primes. They don't align with what the Knicks should be doing unless Phil is still trying to compete.
But that's why it would make perfect sense for Phil. Recall his signing Rose and Noah all the while claiming to rebuild. He has not stuck to a plan and that shambolic approach is the reason we're here today.
And Crowder is a role player. That would be a complete disaster of a trade for the Knicks. And nobody has a clue what the Knicks asking price is. I'm venturing a guess that 1 year of Avery Bradley, Crowder and Josh Jackson wouldn't fit the bill of "exceeding" their asking price.
What's the need to listen to reports? Listen to Phil Jackson himself. He said last night he would want 2 starters and a draft pick. Why the hell he would say that is beyond me.
Also why didn't Hornacek, Phil or someone from the Knicks go to KPs apartment to sit down with him and talk it out. If your girlfriend, wife or family member is pissed at you, do you stop trying after they don't return your texts or calls? No make an effort to patch things up. He's the most important person in the franchise right now. Shit go take a trip to Latvia to visit him.
Instead Phil Jackson fires his favorite coach who was supposed to train him all summer and publicly threaten to trade him.
I have no idea how anyone can defend this moron running the Knicks. They guy does nothing right.
What's the need to listen to reports? Listen to Phil Jackson himself. He said last night he would want 2 starters and a draft pick. Why the hell he would say that is beyond me.
Also why didn't Hornacek, Phil or someone from the Knicks go to KPs apartment to sit down with him and talk it out. If your girlfriend, wife or family member is pissed at you, do you stop trying after they don't return your texts or calls? No make an effort to patch things up. He's the most important person in the franchise right now. Shit go take a trip to Latvia to visit him.
Instead Phil Jackson fires his favorite coach who was supposed to train him all summer and publicly threaten to trade him.
I have no idea how anyone can defend this moron running the Knicks. They guy does nothing right.
What's the need to listen to reports? Listen to Phil Jackson himself. He said last night he would want 2 starters and a draft pick. Why the hell he would say that is beyond me.
Also why didn't Hornacek, Phil or someone from the Knicks go to KPs apartment to sit down with him and talk it out. If your girlfriend, wife or family member is pissed at you, do you stop trying after they don't return your texts or calls? No make an effort to patch things up. He's the most important person in the franchise right now. Shit go take a trip to Latvia to visit him.
Instead Phil Jackson fires his favorite coach who was supposed to train him all summer and publicly threaten to trade him.
I have no idea how anyone can defend this moron running the Knicks. They guy does nothing right.
Spurs want a top 10 pick for him...meanwhile the Knicks have to buy out Melo. If that doesnt tell you how bad Phil is at his job I dont know what will.
Spurs want a top 10 pick for him...meanwhile the Knicks have to buy out Melo. If that doesnt tell you how bad Phil is at his job I dont know what will.
there is a difference between wanting a top 10 pick and getting a top 10 pick, anyone who trades a top 10 pick for aldrisge is a fucking moron
You're excellent at creating straw-men and then pummeling them. Good for you.
I think the divide on this issue comes down to "now what?". There are those on BBI who think Beckham's OTA stuff = "no way I'm giving him a big contract when it's up" and those people are likely the same ones who are willing to trade KP based on the exit meeting stuff. I think you can both suggest it was potentially the "wrong" move and still agree (not suggesting YOU have to) but people can.. that it's nowhere near grounds to trade/consider trading such a player.
And keep being a selective reader who is mainly concerned with preening and being some pretend "adult in the room."
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He's employed by the Knicks. He should follow their rules. This ridiculous idea that these players should do whatever they want when they disagree with how the team is run is stupid.
I think the divide on this issue comes down to "now what?". There are those on BBI who think Beckham's OTA stuff = "no way I'm giving him a big contract when it's up" and those people are likely the same ones who are willing to trade KP based on the exit meeting stuff. I think you can both suggest it was potentially the "wrong" move and still agree (not suggesting YOU have to) but people can.. that it's nowhere near grounds to trade/consider trading such a player.
I think it was wrong. I think a professional should show up to the meeting and tell management what he thinks. Isn't that what an exit meeting is for? Tell them that you are unhappy with how they are running things.
It's certainly not something that would make me trade the player, especially not KP. I think it should be a teaching lesson for the kid on how to be a professional.
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but I don't know what anyone can offer that would make me even think about it. I guess Boston can put a package together that would make me think, but I don't think I'd pull the trigger. KP is a building block that you would pray an early draft pick would turn into.
I don't know if this is an ego thing with Phil or if he's trying to send a message to the kid, but I don't like it at all. I'm not excusing KP's behavior either.
It seems the new theme is anti-management, which is dumb. It's his employer and he should tell them how he feels in his exit interview if he wants to do things the right way. There is no justifying skipping a meeting with your bosses.
skipping the meeting is one thing, you can call it a a lapse in judgement or whatever bit the continuing not answering hornaceks and phils calls is worrisome
What's the reporting on this? Honest question. Looking for a link.
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He's employed by the Knicks. He should follow their rules. This ridiculous idea that these players should do whatever they want when they disagree with how the team is run is stupid.
I think the divide on this issue comes down to "now what?". There are those on BBI who think Beckham's OTA stuff = "no way I'm giving him a big contract when it's up" and those people are likely the same ones who are willing to trade KP based on the exit meeting stuff. I think you can both suggest it was potentially the "wrong" move and still agree (not suggesting YOU have to) but people can.. that it's nowhere near grounds to trade/consider trading such a player.
the people that would be ok with trading kp, for me anyway, need to be blown away...
i wouldnt even trade him for booker and 4...i am not giving him away
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but I don't know what anyone can offer that would make me even think about it. I guess Boston can put a package together that would make me think, but I don't think I'd pull the trigger. KP is a building block that you would pray an early draft pick would turn into.
I don't know if this is an ego thing with Phil or if he's trying to send a message to the kid, but I don't like it at all. I'm not excusing KP's behavior either.
It seems the new theme is anti-management, which is dumb. It's his employer and he should tell them how he feels in his exit interview if he wants to do things the right way. There is no justifying skipping a meeting with your bosses.
skipping the meeting is one thing, you can call it a a lapse in judgement or whatever bit the continuing not answering hornaceks and phils calls is worrisome
What's the reporting on this? Honest question. Looking for a link.
hornacek during the combine said he called and texted him no response...
phil last night said no calls answered made it sound like he got a text or 2...
Everything Phil has done in his time here suggests otherwise. From the bizarre potshots at 3 point shooting and LeBron to the indecisiveness over whether trying to rebuild or contend (can't do both at the same time) to shitty FA signings to using the media to smear and pressure one of his best (and admittedly flawed) players into waiving the NTC that he gave him.
Phil has lost the benefit of the doubt from many fans and likely from KP too as he should.
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To is Boston. I want the 3rd pick this year and the Nets pick next year just to start. I'd also ask for Jaylen Brown and possibly another first in 2019 or a few seconds in 2017/2018.
this, suns do not have enough to make me want to do a trade...
top 5 this year is nice but next years picks are the value and like dan said they might be too good to get top 5...
I think that you guys have to come to grips with the fact that the minimum that you would accept is way way more than anyone would give. It's likely he's still on your team tomorrow.
hornacek during the combine said he called and texted him no response...
phil last night said no calls answered made it sound like he got a text or 2...
Actually, Hornacek said he sent a text to KP, and didnt answer when asked if KP responded. So you have no idea if KP responded. You also have no idea what the text said. Maybe it wasnt a question or request. Maybe it was "I know you're frustrated, we're working our asses off. We see the same problems and are addressing them". Doesnt need a response, and if it did a text may not be best.
So it's irresponsible for people to go around saying KP is ignoring Horny's texts.
I'll have to get a transcript to see what Phil said.
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To is Boston. I want the 3rd pick this year and the Nets pick next year just to start. I'd also ask for Jaylen Brown and possibly another first in 2019 or a few seconds in 2017/2018.
this, suns do not have enough to make me want to do a trade...
top 5 this year is nice but next years picks are the value and like dan said they might be too good to get top 5...
Danny would be righl;y vilified forever if he came anywhere near that.
I think that you guys have to come to grips with the fact that the minimum that you would accept is way way more than anyone would give. It's likely he's still on your team tomorrow.
come to grips? ok so then the knicks keep kp, what is there to come to grips to?
and you know ainge is the same guy who offered four firsts for justice winslow right?
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hornacek during the combine said he called and texted him no response...
phil last night said no calls answered made it sound like he got a text or 2...
Actually, Hornacek said he sent a text to KP, and didnt answer when asked if KP responded. So you have no idea if KP responded. You also have no idea what the text said. Maybe it wasnt a question or request. Maybe it was "I know you're frustrated, we're working our asses off. We see the same problems and are addressing them". Doesnt need a response, and if it did a text may not be best.
So it's irresponsible for people to go around saying KP is ignoring Horny's texts.
I'll have to get a transcript to see what Phil said. Link - ( New Window )
ok fine he is not ignoring the knicks then...
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To is Boston. I want the 3rd pick this year and the Nets pick next year just to start. I'd also ask for Jaylen Brown and possibly another first in 2019 or a few seconds in 2017/2018.
this, suns do not have enough to make me want to do a trade...
top 5 this year is nice but next years picks are the value and like dan said they might be too good to get top 5...
Danny would be righl;y vilified forever if he came anywhere near that.
I think that you guys have to come to grips with the fact that the minimum that you would accept is way way more than anyone would give. It's likely he's still on your team tomorrow.
This is the second or third time you've said this. Yet you thought the putrid suggestion of Bradley, Crowder and a 1st was very fair. You are out of your mind. KP is a potential top 10 NBA player down the road. Yet you think a couple of 1st rounders and Jaylen Brown is excessive? Nobody knows how the draft picks will turn out. They could end up total busts. We all know what KP can be. He's got superstar upside. You are falling in love a little too much with your boy Ainges obsession for accumulating draft picks. You use draft picks HOPING to get a guy like KP. Who's also still only 21 years old.
If KP were in a Celtics uniform, you wouldn't be suggesting that Brown and a couple of 1sts is so ludicrous. The fans that watch him every day know how special he can be, otherwise their wouldn't be such universal disdain for any of these trade ideas. Avery Bradley and Crowder? Get the F outta here with that garbage.
ok fine he is not ignoring the knicks then...
Yeah, there is no evidence of that. You'd think, as leaky as shit is, that you'd have an express report that Kris is ignoring the Knicks. You dont. You have Marc Berman (a professional idiot) reporting his own suppositions from unanswered questions.
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To is Boston. I want the 3rd pick this year and the Nets pick next year just to start. I'd also ask for Jaylen Brown and possibly another first in 2019 or a few seconds in 2017/2018.
this, suns do not have enough to make me want to do a trade...
top 5 this year is nice but next years picks are the value and like dan said they might be too good to get top 5...
Danny would be righl;y vilified forever if he came anywhere near that.
I think that you guys have to come to grips with the fact that the minimum that you would accept is way way more than anyone would give. It's likely he's still on your team tomorrow.
come to grips? ok so then the knicks keep kp, what is there to come to grips to?
and you know ainge is the same guy who offered four firsts for justice winslow right?
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To is Boston. I want the 3rd pick this year and the Nets pick next year just to start. I'd also ask for Jaylen Brown and possibly another first in 2019 or a few seconds in 2017/2018.
this, suns do not have enough to make me want to do a trade...
top 5 this year is nice but next years picks are the value and like dan said they might be too good to get top 5...
Danny would be righl;y vilified forever if he came anywhere near that.
I think that you guys have to come to grips with the fact that the minimum that you would accept is way way more than anyone would give. It's likely he's still on your team tomorrow.
This is the second or third time you've said this. Yet you thought the putrid suggestion of Bradley, Crowder and a 1st was very fair. You are out of your mind. KP is a potential top 10 NBA player down the road. Yet you think a couple of 1st rounders and Jaylen Brown is excessive? Nobody knows how the draft picks will turn out. They could end up total busts. We all know what KP can be. He's got superstar upside. You are falling in love a little too much with your boy Ainges obsession for accumulating draft picks. You use draft picks HOPING to get a guy like KP. Who's also still only 21 years old.
If KP were in a Celtics uniform, you wouldn't be suggesting that Brown and a couple of 1sts is so ludicrous. The fans that watch him every day know how special he can be, otherwise their wouldn't be such universal disdain for any of these trade ideas. Avery Bradley and Crowder? Get the F outta here with that garbage.
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ok fine he is not ignoring the knicks then...
Yeah, there is no evidence of that. You'd think, as leaky as shit is, that you'd have an express report that Kris is ignoring the Knicks. You dont. You have Marc Berman (a professional idiot) reporting his own suppositions from unanswered questions.
the whole thing just pisses me off, both sides all of this could of been avoided if they just talked before kp left, i dont care if they sat there yelling at each other...
i will never stop rooting for the knickd, i am just not built that way but this shot is just getting annoying
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To is Boston. I want the 3rd pick this year and the Nets pick next year just to start. I'd also ask for Jaylen Brown and possibly another first in 2019 or a few seconds in 2017/2018.
this, suns do not have enough to make me want to do a trade...
top 5 this year is nice but next years picks are the value and like dan said they might be too good to get top 5...
Danny would be righl;y vilified forever if he came anywhere near that.
I think that you guys have to come to grips with the fact that the minimum that you would accept is way way more than anyone would give. It's likely he's still on your team tomorrow.
This is the second or third time you've said this. Yet you thought the putrid suggestion of Bradley, Crowder and a 1st was very fair. You are out of your mind. KP is a potential top 10 NBA player down the road. Yet you think a couple of 1st rounders and Jaylen Brown is excessive? Nobody knows how the draft picks will turn out. They could end up total busts. We all know what KP can be. He's got superstar upside. You are falling in love a little too much with your boy Ainges obsession for accumulating draft picks. You use draft picks HOPING to get a guy like KP. Who's also still only 21 years old.
If KP were in a Celtics uniform, you wouldn't be suggesting that Brown and a couple of 1sts is so ludicrous. The fans that watch him every day know how special he can be, otherwise their wouldn't be such universal disdain for any of these trade ideas. Avery Bradley and Crowder? Get the F outta here with that garbage.
Now I've said it 4 times. I think it's you who is doing the over-valuing.
It's not just us. Have you paid attention to some of the league wide tweets coming down? Apparently there are some players on other teams that are pretty excited to try to persuade KP to their teams as well. Durant seems like a pretty big fan based on his prior comments, etc...but yeah, the fans who watch him every day and don't want him traded are over valuing him. You think that if he was being overvalued, there would be SOMEBODY, somewhere advocating for them to trade him for a package like you suggest? It is absolutely 100% universal that it should take a huge haul if they deal him. So yeah, I'm gonna go with it being YOU that is off on this.
-Knicks met with Collins
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-Knicks met with Collins
Begley tried to pass off info he got from Janis back in April as new intel two days ago, then minutes after it was announced that Phil had an interview coming up on MSG last night Begley corrected himself that there had been communication because he knew Phil was going to mention that there had been communication. Its easy to spew bullshit when no one from the Knicks ever talks, but he had to cover himself once he knew the bullshit would get called out.
It's not just us. Have you paid attention to some of the league wide tweets coming down? Apparently there are some players on other teams that are pretty excited to try to persuade KP to their teams as well. Durant seems like a pretty big fan based on his prior comments, etc...but yeah, the fans who watch him every day and don't want him traded are over valuing him. You think that if he was being overvalued, there would be SOMEBODY, somewhere advocating for them to trade him for a package like you suggest? It is absolutely 100% universal that it should take a huge haul if they deal him. So yeah, I'm gonna go with it being YOU that is off on this.
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It's not just us. Have you paid attention to some of the league wide tweets coming down? Apparently there are some players on other teams that are pretty excited to try to persuade KP to their teams as well. Durant seems like a pretty big fan based on his prior comments, etc...but yeah, the fans who watch him every day and don't want him traded are over valuing him. You think that if he was being overvalued, there would be SOMEBODY, somewhere advocating for them to trade him for a package like you suggest? It is absolutely 100% universal that it should take a huge haul if they deal him. So yeah, I'm gonna go with it being YOU that is off on this.
I have paid attention. The reports I saw were that the club itself is asking for a top 4 pick and an established starting player. That's way less than a #3, A#3 player last year and for sure starter in time, and a potential #1, best player in the draft. Heck, you might not have thought it was fair, but #3, Bradley and Crowder actually *exceed* that asking price if what was reported is true. Although, to me Crowder makes little sense if you're taking Josh Jackson.
Crowder and Bradley don't make sense at all of the Knicks. Knicks should be rebuilding. Bradley and Crowder are in their primes. They don't align with what the Knicks should be doing unless Phil is still trying to compete.
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It's not just us. Have you paid attention to some of the league wide tweets coming down? Apparently there are some players on other teams that are pretty excited to try to persuade KP to their teams as well. Durant seems like a pretty big fan based on his prior comments, etc...but yeah, the fans who watch him every day and don't want him traded are over valuing him. You think that if he was being overvalued, there would be SOMEBODY, somewhere advocating for them to trade him for a package like you suggest? It is absolutely 100% universal that it should take a huge haul if they deal him. So yeah, I'm gonna go with it being YOU that is off on this.
I have paid attention. The reports I saw were that the club itself is asking for a top 4 pick and an established starting player. That's way less than a #3, A#3 player last year and for sure starter in time, and a potential #1, best player in the draft. Heck, you might not have thought it was fair, but #3, Bradley and Crowder actually *exceed* that asking price if what was reported is true. Although, to me Crowder makes little sense if you're taking Josh Jackson.
Crowder and Bradley don't make sense at all of the Knicks. Knicks should be rebuilding. Bradley and Crowder are in their primes. They don't align with what the Knicks should be doing unless Phil is still trying to compete.
But that's why it would make perfect sense for Phil. Recall his signing Rose and Noah all the while claiming to rebuild. He has not stuck to a plan and that shambolic approach is the reason we're here today.
watch rose sign with spurs and become mvp rose again
Also why didn't Hornacek, Phil or someone from the Knicks go to KPs apartment to sit down with him and talk it out. If your girlfriend, wife or family member is pissed at you, do you stop trying after they don't return your texts or calls? No make an effort to patch things up. He's the most important person in the franchise right now. Shit go take a trip to Latvia to visit him.
Instead Phil Jackson fires his favorite coach who was supposed to train him all summer and publicly threaten to trade him.
I have no idea how anyone can defend this moron running the Knicks. They guy does nothing right.
as a Knicks fan i'm going to be plopped on my couch with a handful of xanax.
I hate this franchise.
Also why didn't Hornacek, Phil or someone from the Knicks go to KPs apartment to sit down with him and talk it out. If your girlfriend, wife or family member is pissed at you, do you stop trying after they don't return your texts or calls? No make an effort to patch things up. He's the most important person in the franchise right now. Shit go take a trip to Latvia to visit him.
Instead Phil Jackson fires his favorite coach who was supposed to train him all summer and publicly threaten to trade him.
I have no idea how anyone can defend this moron running the Knicks. They guy does nothing right.
Asking out of SAS is a red flag.
LMA is sort of a bitch.
Also why didn't Hornacek, Phil or someone from the Knicks go to KPs apartment to sit down with him and talk it out. If your girlfriend, wife or family member is pissed at you, do you stop trying after they don't return your texts or calls? No make an effort to patch things up. He's the most important person in the franchise right now. Shit go take a trip to Latvia to visit him.
Instead Phil Jackson fires his favorite coach who was supposed to train him all summer and publicly threaten to trade him.
I have no idea how anyone can defend this moron running the Knicks. They guy does nothing right.
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Asking out of SAS is a red flag.
Noah for LMA, spin him somewhere else. DO IT!!!! Noah seems like a Spur. Make it happen.
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LMA is sort of a bitch.
Spurs want a top 10 pick for him...meanwhile the Knicks have to buy out Melo. If that doesnt tell you how bad Phil is at his job I dont know what will.
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is now asking to be traded.
LMA is sort of a bitch.
Spurs want a top 10 pick for him...meanwhile the Knicks have to buy out Melo. If that doesnt tell you how bad Phil is at his job I dont know what will.
there is a difference between wanting a top 10 pick and getting a top 10 pick, anyone who trades a top 10 pick for aldrisge is a fucking moron
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is now asking to be traded.
Asking out of SAS is a red flag.
Noah for LMA, spin him somewhere else. DO IT!!!! Noah seems like a Spur. Make it happen.
Hehe. He seems like a Spur alright. Like Duncan and Robinson, he should be retired already.
good luck. The 58th pick has close to zero value.