Steve PopperVerified account @StevePopper 5m5 minutes ago
Jay Williams just said that talking to a top 15 player in this draft the player told him Phil was falling in and out of sleep during workout
Statements like this make the current Media crop look like jokes. Jay Williams is a hack.
a boatload of picks if Booker isn't in the deal, and we need to get rid of salary.
Bledsoe, Chriss, #4, Sun's 2019 #1/ and Miami's 2018/2019 choice.
Still, it's depressing its come to this. If we tanked properly.. we have Porzingis and Jackson playing together.
I think KP is perennial All-Star if he stays healthy. They must really love Jackson to do this. I do too, but it was in the context of KP and Jackson playing together as a great fit. Giving up a future cornerstone because of an exit interview is risky.
is a good player but the Knicks won't be good within the next 1-2 seasons so you are adding a guy who you are either letting walk, trading somewhere else or giving 205 million from age 30 on...Booker isn't happening but Booker and #4 is the only deal I'd "live with" of the ones being suggested. Absolutely zero pressure to deal him. What happened to "monster" return or no deal?
Steve PopperVerified account @StevePopper 5m5 minutes ago
Jay Williams just said that talking to a top 15 player in this draft the player told him Phil was falling in and out of sleep during workout
Statements like this make the current Media crop look like jokes. Jay Williams is a hack.
I can't think any less of Phil Jackson and think he deserved to be fired awhile ago. But I agree that report is bullshit and highly doubtful.
is a good player but the Knicks won't be good within the next 1-2 seasons so you are adding a guy who you are either letting walk, trading somewhere else or giving 205 million from age 30 on...Booker isn't happening but Booker and #4 is the only deal I'd "live with" of the ones being suggested. Absolutely zero pressure to deal him. What happened to "monster" return or no deal?
Keep in mind that Bledsoe could be packaged with Melo to make a deal more palatable. Sometimes a monster deal is defined as WHERE the players involved in the deal end up.
For example, if you send Bledsoe and Melo to the Cavs in a 3 (or 4) team deal, does that free up the Cavs to include Irving in a deal?
but Pho has to throw in a #1 in 2020/1 that is unprotected.
Then trade Melo to Clev for two future #1s
That way you stockpile number one picks and your core is:
Jackson
Smith/Monk
Bender
Then you get another top 3 pick next year. Maybe even the #1 pick.
I love KP but he already has foot/leg problems. Might be the safer bet to deal him if you can get a haul in return
First off, I am a Cavs fan living in OH. the cavs are not able to trade away any 1st round picks, and even if they could, why on earth would they trade 2 for melo??? i understand fandom, but that is outrageous!
The issue is the Cavs can't trade their picks until 2021 and 2023 which reduces their value via trade. The flip side is at that point the Cavs likely aren't very good and the picks are valuable.
Yep Dan I agree that that should probably be a trade the Knicks look at. 2021/23 Cav picks could easily be like the Nets picks the Celtics got. I could see the Cavs doing it as a last ditch attempt to win another title before the window closes.
it's winning the lottery and reinvesting your winnings in more lottery tickets.
I couldn't agree more. Porzingis is already very good with upside to be great (Patrick and Melo get the "look at the PG's!!!" excuse and yet 20-21 year old KP does not?) and the upside to attract other players...
available. Lee and 58 for Rubio. Draft Monk. Keep KP. Thanks.
If they'll do that for Lee and 58, they'll do it for just Lee. Not one is signing up for $30 million of Courtney Lee if and only if they get the 58th pick in the draft.
available. Lee and 58 for Rubio. Draft Monk. Keep KP. Thanks.
If they'll do that for Lee and 58, they'll do it for just Lee. Not one is signing up for $30 million of Courtney Lee if and only if they get the 58th pick in the draft.
They can throw 58 at the Bulls in their Butler package. I just really like the idea of Rubio with KP (please stay) and Willy with whomever we take at 8. Rubio isn't a great player but I truly believe he will both improve us at the 1 and help develop our bigs.
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The Celtics remain in trade pursuit of Kristaps Porzingis, league sources say, trying to assemble a package to meet the Knicks' demands.
That guy tweets out complete bullshit and we all fall for it. He gets his name out there, gets followers and gets clicks. Unless it's Woj, Stein, Lowe I'm not believing it.
And as I write this Stein reports the Celtics are putting together a package to meet the Knicks demands. He'll be perfect for them and man will it hurt to see him in green.
I'm against any trade, but that package better start with
2017 3rd overall
Brooklyn 2018 pick
LA/ Sac pick 2018-2019
2019 Memphis pick.
What it really will be
3rd overall
Crowder
Smart or Bradley
me the logic of trading KP to a division rival? THE DUDE IS TWENTY ONE YEARS OLD. HE'LL BE IN OUR WAY FOR THE NEXT DECADE PLUS.
If you want to trade him, trade him to Phoenix. We only see them twice a year anyways.
Ugh. KP in Celtics green...enough to want to make me puke.
Understood. However if we can get a handful of potential top 5 picks and a nice young player then we're not competing with anyone for the near future. By the time those picks hopefully come of age, The Celts will be on the down side or at least will be able to compete with that version of them. You go for the best return.
wouldnt watch a core of Monk, Rubio, Jackson, Chriss and Willy but I'm failing to see who becomes our #1 or even #2 off the bat. I guess we will be hoping for Porter next year?
available. Lee and 58 for Rubio. Draft Monk. Keep KP. Thanks.
If they'll do that for Lee and 58, they'll do it for just Lee. Not one is signing up for $30 million of Courtney Lee if and only if they get the 58th pick in the draft.
They can throw 58 at the Bulls in their Butler package. I just really like the idea of Rubio with KP (please stay) and Willy with whomever we take at 8. Rubio isn't a great player but I truly believe he will both improve us at the 1 and help develop our bigs.
I'll guarantee you that there isnt a deal for Butler that will turn on whether CHI gets the 58 pick.
The 58 pick is like two guys haggling over the last $50 bucks on a $10k used car sale. They can stomp their feet until they're blue in the face, but neither is walking away over $50. It's a battle of the wills. And the Knicks should hold out in this hypothetical trade. The 58 pick is more meaningful to them given the chaff on their roster.
If it doesn't START with #3 and next year's Brooklyn pick,
I hang up the phone. I'm not really interested in any of their players.
This. Odds of either of those picks becoming as good as KP are slim, so it better be #3 and BKN 2018 + more picks (none of the players they'd include are game changers).
Otherwise, at least my local team (TWolves) have a bright future.
and Phil said "Future". How is Bledsoe "future"? How the fuck is trading a 21 year old unicorn "future"?
If it is about the future (which I doubt), then he needs to move Melo too. Suck as much as possible in 2018 and at least then ensure your own 2018 pick is top 5.
Jay Williams just said that talking to a top 15 player in this draft the player told him Phil was falling in and out of sleep during workout
Statements like this make the current Media crop look like jokes. Jay Williams is a hack.
Bledsoe, Chriss, #4, Sun's 2019 #1/ and Miami's 2018/2019 choice.
Still, it's depressing its come to this. If we tanked properly.. we have Porzingis and Jackson playing together.
I think KP is perennial All-Star if he stays healthy. They must really love Jackson to do this. I do too, but it was in the context of KP and Jackson playing together as a great fit. Giving up a future cornerstone because of an exit interview is risky.
I'm in. I prefer DSJ but fine with Monk. Just keep KP. Please.
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Steve PopperVerified account @StevePopper 5m5 minutes ago
Jay Williams just said that talking to a top 15 player in this draft the player told him Phil was falling in and out of sleep during workout
Statements like this make the current Media crop look like jokes. Jay Williams is a hack.
I can't think any less of Phil Jackson and think he deserved to be fired awhile ago. But I agree that report is bullshit and highly doubtful.
Read more at http://www.slamonline.com/nba/kristaps-porzingis-trade-likely-phoenix-suns/#SYpkdk5RzbDTZRsC.99
Keep in mind that Bledsoe could be packaged with Melo to make a deal more palatable. Sometimes a monster deal is defined as WHERE the players involved in the deal end up.
For example, if you send Bledsoe and Melo to the Cavs in a 3 (or 4) team deal, does that free up the Cavs to include Irving in a deal?
James Dolan will skip NBA Draft for concert with his band, JD & The Straight Shot
Read more at http://www.slamonline.com/nba/kristaps-porzingis-trade-likely-phoenix-suns/#SYpkdk5RzbDTZRsC.99
They are citing the same radio host who posted this garbage 3 hours ago. Nothing new to see.
Phil Jackson admitted in an interview on the eve of the draft that the Knicks are entertaining offers for Porzingis.
The Boston Celtics are one of the teams engaged with the Knicks on Porzingis as the Knicks attempt to trade into the top-4.
Both David Aldridge and Sam Amick refute a report that the Phoenix Suns are closing in on a deal for Porzingis.
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but Pho has to throw in a #1 in 2020/1 that is unprotected.
Then trade Melo to Clev for two future #1s
That way you stockpile number one picks and your core is:
Jackson
Smith/Monk
Bender
Then you get another top 3 pick next year. Maybe even the #1 pick.
I love KP but he already has foot/leg problems. Might be the safer bet to deal him if you can get a haul in return
First off, I am a Cavs fan living in OH. the cavs are not able to trade away any 1st round picks, and even if they could, why on earth would they trade 2 for melo??? i understand fandom, but that is outrageous!
The issue is the Cavs can't trade their picks until 2021 and 2023 which reduces their value via trade. The flip side is at that point the Cavs likely aren't very good and the picks are valuable.
Yep Dan I agree that that should probably be a trade the Knicks look at. 2021/23 Cav picks could easily be like the Nets picks the Celtics got. I could see the Cavs doing it as a last ditch attempt to win another title before the window closes.
pass the paper over, I'll sign for that.
I couldn't agree more. Porzingis is already very good with upside to be great (Patrick and Melo get the "look at the PG's!!!" excuse and yet 20-21 year old KP does not?) and the upside to attract other players...
If they'll do that for Lee and 58, they'll do it for just Lee. Not one is signing up for $30 million of Courtney Lee if and only if they get the 58th pick in the draft.
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available. Lee and 58 for Rubio. Draft Monk. Keep KP. Thanks.
If they'll do that for Lee and 58, they'll do it for just Lee. Not one is signing up for $30 million of Courtney Lee if and only if they get the 58th pick in the draft.
They can throw 58 at the Bulls in their Butler package. I just really like the idea of Rubio with KP (please stay) and Willy with whomever we take at 8. Rubio isn't a great player but I truly believe he will both improve us at the 1 and help develop our bigs.
Fuck man I love KP.
Why Bledsoe?? He provides nothing for long term. I'd rather have Ulis and Bender.
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The Celtics remain in trade pursuit of Kristaps Porzingis, league sources say, trying to assemble a package to meet the Knicks' demands.
If you want to trade him, trade him to Phoenix. We only see them twice a year anyways.
Ugh. KP in Celtics green...enough to want to make me puke.
And as I write this Stein reports the Celtics are putting together a package to meet the Knicks demands. He'll be perfect for them and man will it hurt to see him in green.
I'm against any trade, but that package better start with
2017 3rd overall
Brooklyn 2018 pick
LA/ Sac pick 2018-2019
2019 Memphis pick.
What it really will be
3rd overall
Crowder
Smart or Bradley
If you want to trade him, trade him to Phoenix. We only see them twice a year anyways.
Ugh. KP in Celtics green...enough to want to make me puke.
Understood. However if we can get a handful of potential top 5 picks and a nice young player then we're not competing with anyone for the near future. By the time those picks hopefully come of age, The Celts will be on the down side or at least will be able to compete with that version of them. You go for the best return.
If that's the haul we'd get back, I'm done. Completely done.
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available. Lee and 58 for Rubio. Draft Monk. Keep KP. Thanks.
If they'll do that for Lee and 58, they'll do it for just Lee. Not one is signing up for $30 million of Courtney Lee if and only if they get the 58th pick in the draft.
They can throw 58 at the Bulls in their Butler package. I just really like the idea of Rubio with KP (please stay) and Willy with whomever we take at 8. Rubio isn't a great player but I truly believe he will both improve us at the 1 and help develop our bigs.
I'll guarantee you that there isnt a deal for Butler that will turn on whether CHI gets the 58 pick.
The 58 pick is like two guys haggling over the last $50 bucks on a $10k used car sale. They can stomp their feet until they're blue in the face, but neither is walking away over $50. It's a battle of the wills. And the Knicks should hold out in this hypothetical trade. The 58 pick is more meaningful to them given the chaff on their roster.
At a minimum. At the bare minimum you're getting this year's 3 & the Nets pick next year. That's just the jumping off point.
Phil is completely useless. This is like the Mavs trading Dirk after his second season.
I really can't believe the Knicks are this incompetent, but they probably are. What a joke.
This. Odds of either of those picks becoming as good as KP are slim, so it better be #3 and BKN 2018 + more picks (none of the players they'd include are game changers).
Otherwise, at least my local team (TWolves) have a bright future.
If it is about the future (which I doubt), then he needs to move Melo too. Suck as much as possible in 2018 and at least then ensure your own 2018 pick is top 5.
And he's talking like he's some washed up 31 year old.
KP IS THE FREAKING FUTURE!
From your lips to God's ear. I just feel like this is cascading towards a move.
Yeah there is huge risk in taking the Lakers pick. I'd want the better of the BK or LA pick in any trade (ideally both).