Phil Jackson is apparently willing to trade Kristaps Porzingis to a division rival but the Boston Celtics, as of now, are unwilling to meet his asking price, which would include two draft picks the Daily News has learned.
According to a Knicks source, Jackson is asking for the third overall pick in Thursday's draft as well as next year's Brooklyn pick along with Jaylen Brown and Jae Crowder. This version of the deal would not include Boston taking on Joakim Noah's contract.
The Celtics feel the price is far too high but they are open to tweaking the deal to include just one draft pick, either this year's No. 3 or next year's Brooklyn pick.
trade cant take the Lakers pick, that Lakers pick only comes to the Celtics if the Lakers end up picking between #2 and #5. If not it stays with the 76ers.
Phil Jackson is apparently willing to trade Kristaps Porzingis to a division rival but the Boston Celtics, as of now, are unwilling to meet his asking price, which would include two draft picks the Daily News has learned.
According to a Knicks source, Jackson is asking for the third overall pick in Thursday's draft as well as next year's Brooklyn pick along with Jaylen Brown and Jae Crowder. This version of the deal would not include Boston taking on Joakim Noah's contract.
The Celtics feel the price is far too high but they are open to tweaking the deal to include just one draft pick, either this year's No. 3 or next year's Brooklyn pick.
At a minimum, you get the 3 this year & Brooklyn's pick next year. At a minimum.
knicks asking fir 3 next years bkn pick, crowder and brown
Not enough. Honestly, it's not enough. It's Jackson (who has a hole in his game) and then the BK pick could be anywhere from 1 to mid lottery. This isnt like this year's BK pick where you know where it is.
We should get both BK picks in value plus Smart, and another ok #1. So that means we should next year's BK pick and what Philly gave up to move to #1, Smart, and another #1 somewhere.
But really, I dont want to trade KP. Cant I just root for him?
if the Knicks do a deal like that without at least 2 picks they should be contracted. The Knicks have zero reason to trade him unless they get a huge package back.
Josh Jackson is nothing to sneeze at. It looks like we are witnessing a war between Porz's brother (woj) and Phil (aldridge) in the media. Nothing is done yet and would think we would get more than Chriss, Bledsoe, and #4. That deal is light.
will go to Boston for Crowder 3 and the Lakers 2018 pick, Lakers will add PG13 and win 42 games. Ballin!
Or the Lakers pick will be number 1 and the Sixers keep it.
Not to beat a dead horse, but picks are nice but are highly risky. The Nets could become better than expected and the pick comes in around 10. I love
josh Jackson but want if he never becomes a good shooter? He's still a risky pick- they all are. Look at the shitty teams who have high picks every year. And do you trust Jackson to do this? This isn't Buford or Ainge.
You hope a top pick shows the potential KP has. But those exit interviews are important!!
The Celtics have hoarded these draft picks in case some moron GM trades a player like KP. Ainge has found that moron...
I hang up the phone. I'm not really interested in any of their players.
This. Odds of either of those picks becoming as good as KP are slim, so it better be #3 and BKN 2018 + more picks (none of the players they'd include are game changers).
Otherwise, at least my local team (TWolves) have a bright future.
You'd have to start with that, plus several more players, both backcourt and forward positions. At least the two picks and two very significant young pieces.
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Josh Jackson is nothing to sneeze at. It looks like we are witnessing a war between Porz's brother (woj) and Phil (aldridge) in the media. Nothing is done yet and would think we would get more than Chriss, Bledsoe, and #4. That deal is light.
I like Jackson quite a bit but given his current offensive game his ultimate upside is in question. His range of outcomes is huge and none of them realistically matches KP.
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that would put us in a good position IF we hit on those picks. 3 and 8 this year plus a top 3 pick next year and 2 quality players on great contracts.
Still would need the superstar player to truly compete for a title.
The Knicks have all of the leverage here, yet the way the media is talking it almost sounds like the Knicks are desperate to trade him.
There shouldn't be any negotiation. The Knicks dont have to trade him. Tell teams your price, and dont move off of it. No negotiating, we either get this package or we're keeping him.
3 and those 2 players is a laughable package.
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that would put us in a good position IF we hit on those picks. 3 and 8 this year plus a top 3 pick next year and 2 quality players on great contracts.
That's not the deal. That's what Phil asked for. Celtics are not willing to include both 3 AND the Nets pick
#3 OR Nets pick, Crowder and Brown... PASS
There is no deal. I am aware that was the ask. That would be the minimum id be willing to trade for. If we did that, it woudl still be a risk because as Mook says, we still need that centerpiece player so the risk is that none of the picks pan out to be as good as KP.
about Jaylen Brown stands out as special. His ultimate upside is closer to solid NBA starter than star. If it's not both #3 and the Nets pick it's an awful, awful deal. Jae Crowder is a nice cheapish role player. Your eggs are all in the Josh Jackson becoming a superstar basket.
about Jaylen Brown stands out as special. His ultimate upside is closer to solid NBA starter than star. If it's not both #3 and the Nets pick it's an awful, awful deal. Jae Crowder is a nice cheapish role player. Your eggs are all in the Josh Jackson becoming a superstar basket.
They can keep Crowder.
#3, BKN pick and Brown is my START. Through in Euros/other firsts on top of that.
Josh Jackson is nothing to sneeze at. It looks like we are witnessing a war between Porz's brother (woj) and Phil (aldridge) in the media. Nothing is done yet and would think we would get more than Chriss, Bledsoe, and #4. That deal is light.
I like Jackson quite a bit but given his current offensive game his ultimate upside is in question. His range of outcomes is huge and none of them realistically matches KP.
Right. KP is a bird in hand. We know he's an elite rim protector and a 20+ ppg scorer once he gets more shots (ie no Melo/Rose). Could be a 25 ppg guy.
Picks are picks. Wide range of outcomes. Very little chance Jackson is better than KP. I really think #3 and the BK pick plus those two players is not enough.
Can people stop "blaming the media"? When this first broke from Woj, everyone called BS because "Woj hates the Knicks". Then it was the Knicks are just listening not shopping him.
Jackson confirmed it himself last night. He might as well have put a for sale sign up. This isn't speculation- this is real. I truly hope it doesn't happen but stop pretending like this is media speculation.
fully admit I don't think I saw Jaylen Brown at all in college so maybe I'm missing something but he looked like a "guy". I'm not saying he's lacking in talent but I think the fact he was picked 3rd overall really has people overrating him. I saw nothing special. If there were a redraft he'd be lucky to go top 10.
seem to be on the Monk train. I like him a good deal but I dont think he can play point besides maybe in the triangle offense. And I dont expect Phil to last more than a couple more years which means the triangle would be gone after a couple years.
Josh Jackson is nothing to sneeze at. It looks like we are witnessing a war between Porz's brother (woj) and Phil (aldridge) in the media. Nothing is done yet and would think we would get more than Chriss, Bledsoe, and #4. That deal is light.
I like Jackson quite a bit but given his current offensive game his ultimate upside is in question. His range of outcomes is huge and none of them realistically matches KP.
Right. KP is a bird in hand. We know he's an elite rim protector and a 20+ ppg scorer once he gets more shots (ie no Melo/Rose). Could be a 25 ppg guy.
Picks are picks. Wide range of outcomes. Very little chance Jackson is better than KP. I really think #3 and the BK pick plus those two players is not enough.
I think Ainge could pull the trigger on a big deal. He's been piling up picks. KP is a "guaranteed" young stud as opposed to all these picks he's been loading on. He fits both their win now and rebuild mantra. If he wants to get the deal done by tonight, let him throw all his cards on the table to do so.
Can people stop "blaming the media"? When this first broke from Woj, everyone called BS because "Woj hates the Knicks". Then it was the Knicks are just listening not shopping him.
Jackson confirmed it himself last night. He might as well have put a for sale sign up. This isn't speculation- this is real. I truly hope it doesn't happen but stop pretending like this is media speculation.
Perhaps it's 2 and they can match any contract in 2019. There really is no reason for the Knicks to accept less than a massive haul for this guy. The Celtics can keep Crowder, but I need the 2 main draft picks, Brown, and one of these other first rounders they have (LAL/SAC/MEM/LAC).
And if they're not willing to give that up, I guess they don't want him that badly.
They should be asking for that plus another pick, i don't even think about it without another pick
la pick is pritected 2 through 5 right?
Brown's adviser is Zeke lol
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knicks asking fir 3 next years bkn pick, crowder and brown
They should be asking for that plus another pick, i don't even think about it without another pick
one more pick wpukd be ideal
This is the correct ask and a deal I could live with.
I think I actually prefer doing this deal to not doing it.
Yes, I'm aware that there is no indication Boston would consider this.
According to a Knicks source, Jackson is asking for the third overall pick in Thursday's draft as well as next year's Brooklyn pick along with Jaylen Brown and Jae Crowder. This version of the deal would not include Boston taking on Joakim Noah's contract.
The Celtics feel the price is far too high but they are open to tweaking the deal to include just one draft pick, either this year's No. 3 or next year's Brooklyn pick.
Brown's adviser is Zeke lol
That's what I like to hear!
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knicks asking fir 3 next years bkn pick, crowder and brown
They should be asking for that plus another pick, i don't even think about it without another pick
one more pick wpukd be ideal
Celtics reportedly aren't even willing to give both of those picks let alone add another.
One pick would be laughably bad. Almost no chance that one pick winds up anywhere near as good as KP down the road.
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Phil Jackson is asking for Boston's #3, Brooklyn’s pick next year, Jaylen Brown, and Jae Crowder, in return for Porzingis, per @FisolaNYDN.
Brown's adviser is Zeke lol
That's what I like to hear!
Would still suck but could stomach that if BK stays as terrible as it is.
According to a Knicks source, Jackson is asking for the third overall pick in Thursday's draft as well as next year's Brooklyn pick along with Jaylen Brown and Jae Crowder. This version of the deal would not include Boston taking on Joakim Noah's contract.
The Celtics feel the price is far too high but they are open to tweaking the deal to include just one draft pick, either this year's No. 3 or next year's Brooklyn pick.
At a minimum, you get the 3 this year & Brooklyn's pick next year. At a minimum.
Not enough. Honestly, it's not enough. It's Jackson (who has a hole in his game) and then the BK pick could be anywhere from 1 to mid lottery. This isnt like this year's BK pick where you know where it is.
We should get both BK picks in value plus Smart, and another ok #1. So that means we should next year's BK pick and what Philly gave up to move to #1, Smart, and another #1 somewhere.
But really, I dont want to trade KP. Cant I just root for him?
Pass.
Josh Jackson is nothing to sneeze at. It looks like we are witnessing a war between Porz's brother (woj) and Phil (aldridge) in the media. Nothing is done yet and would think we would get more than Chriss, Bledsoe, and #4. That deal is light.
Or the Lakers pick will be number 1 and the Sixers keep it.
Not to beat a dead horse, but picks are nice but are highly risky. The Nets could become better than expected and the pick comes in around 10. I love
josh Jackson but want if he never becomes a good shooter? He's still a risky pick- they all are. Look at the shitty teams who have high picks every year. And do you trust Jackson to do this? This isn't Buford or Ainge.
You hope a top pick shows the potential KP has. But those exit interviews are important!!
The Celtics have hoarded these draft picks in case some moron GM trades a player like KP. Ainge has found that moron...
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I hang up the phone. I'm not really interested in any of their players.
This. Odds of either of those picks becoming as good as KP are slim, so it better be #3 and BKN 2018 + more picks (none of the players they'd include are game changers).
Otherwise, at least my local team (TWolves) have a bright future.
You'd have to start with that, plus several more players, both backcourt and forward positions. At least the two picks and two very significant young pieces.
Josh Jackson is nothing to sneeze at. It looks like we are witnessing a war between Porz's brother (woj) and Phil (aldridge) in the media. Nothing is done yet and would think we would get more than Chriss, Bledsoe, and #4. That deal is light.
I like Jackson quite a bit but given his current offensive game his ultimate upside is in question. His range of outcomes is huge and none of them realistically matches KP.
That's not the deal. That's what Phil asked for. Celtics are not willing to include both 3 AND the Nets pick
#3 OR Nets pick, Crowder and Brown... PASS
Still would need the superstar player to truly compete for a title.
The Knicks have all of the leverage here, yet the way the media is talking it almost sounds like the Knicks are desperate to trade him.
There shouldn't be any negotiation. The Knicks dont have to trade him. Tell teams your price, and dont move off of it. No negotiating, we either get this package or we're keeping him.
3 and those 2 players is a laughable package.
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that would put us in a good position IF we hit on those picks. 3 and 8 this year plus a top 3 pick next year and 2 quality players on great contracts.
That's not the deal. That's what Phil asked for. Celtics are not willing to include both 3 AND the Nets pick
#3 OR Nets pick, Crowder and Brown... PASS
There is no deal. I am aware that was the ask. That would be the minimum id be willing to trade for. If we did that, it woudl still be a risk because as Mook says, we still need that centerpiece player so the risk is that none of the picks pan out to be as good as KP.
They can keep Crowder.
#3, BKN pick and Brown is my START. Through in Euros/other firsts on top of that.
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have hope.
Josh Jackson is nothing to sneeze at. It looks like we are witnessing a war between Porz's brother (woj) and Phil (aldridge) in the media. Nothing is done yet and would think we would get more than Chriss, Bledsoe, and #4. That deal is light.
I like Jackson quite a bit but given his current offensive game his ultimate upside is in question. His range of outcomes is huge and none of them realistically matches KP.
Right. KP is a bird in hand. We know he's an elite rim protector and a 20+ ppg scorer once he gets more shots (ie no Melo/Rose). Could be a 25 ppg guy.
Picks are picks. Wide range of outcomes. Very little chance Jackson is better than KP. I really think #3 and the BK pick plus those two players is not enough.
Agreed. I'd also want Ulis and Bender as throw ins.
Jackson confirmed it himself last night. He might as well have put a for sale sign up. This isn't speculation- this is real. I truly hope it doesn't happen but stop pretending like this is media speculation.
I agree, but I also dont want to see any trade other than a ripoff.
If we get what we want for KP, I like Markkanen
Still not a good deal. You'd do KP for Josh Jackson, Crowder and say Justin Jackson? Zach Collins? Kennard? No way from me.
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have hope.
Josh Jackson is nothing to sneeze at. It looks like we are witnessing a war between Porz's brother (woj) and Phil (aldridge) in the media. Nothing is done yet and would think we would get more than Chriss, Bledsoe, and #4. That deal is light.
I like Jackson quite a bit but given his current offensive game his ultimate upside is in question. His range of outcomes is huge and none of them realistically matches KP.
Right. KP is a bird in hand. We know he's an elite rim protector and a 20+ ppg scorer once he gets more shots (ie no Melo/Rose). Could be a 25 ppg guy.
Picks are picks. Wide range of outcomes. Very little chance Jackson is better than KP. I really think #3 and the BK pick plus those two players is not enough.
I think Ainge could pull the trigger on a big deal. He's been piling up picks. KP is a "guaranteed" young stud as opposed to all these picks he's been loading on. He fits both their win now and rebuild mantra. If he wants to get the deal done by tonight, let him throw all his cards on the table to do so.
Jackson confirmed it himself last night. He might as well have put a for sale sign up. This isn't speculation- this is real. I truly hope it doesn't happen but stop pretending like this is media speculation.
yeah i was one i will fully admit i am shocked
Or we keep Noah and they throw in another pick
my wife is pregnant so we have a doctors appintment today, i already told her sorry i am going tk be on my fone
And if they're not willing to give that up, I guess they don't want him that badly.
Where are the two extra players coming from?
Or we keep Noah and they throw in another pick
I don't want Noah to be a part of this in any way. I want to extract a full price for KP if I'm moving him.