Where are you getting 3 lottery picks from? And who is suggesting the pick is an additional top 5-6 pick (high enough to pick Fox?). Why would you include Monk (the Knicks already have that pick).
And Markannen is not KP 2.0. Awful defender who doesn't protect the rim and a terrible rebounder. None of these trades make any sense which is why I fully expect Phil to make them.
their fondness for Bill Russell notwithstanding. Getting Porzingis would set that whole town ablaze. Every game would be a sellout and must see TV. This is why Ainge is so lustful for KP.
Where are you getting 3 lottery picks from? And who is suggesting the pick is an additional top 5-6 pick (high enough to pick Fox?). Why would you include Monk (the Knicks already have that pick).
I think he's going off the tweet that Boston is trying to add another lottery pick to give to the knicks.
Where are you getting 3 lottery picks from? And who is suggesting the pick is an additional top 5-6 pick (high enough to pick Fox?). Why would you include Monk (the Knicks already have that pick).
yeah your right...
i am hiping it is top 5, if it is after the knicks pick no thanks...
3 and BK pick next year plus two players and they take Noah back
Or we keep Noah and they throw in another pick
I don't want Noah to be a part of this in any way. I want to extract a full price for KP if I'm moving him.
nah, fuck that. Make them take Noah and then send Horford back in addition to all the picks! Also insist on Crowder and anything else of value that isn't nailed down. No need for Bradley or Smart. I want to part of paying them next summer. There's a reason guys with KP's ceiling are never traded. The haul in return for him should reflect that.
why would we assume "another lottery pick" is a top 5 pick (when a guy like Fox is going). Another lottery pick could be #13-#14 pick (far more logical a team can land one of those than a top 5 pick). Who do the Celtics have on their roster (sans #3 which would be with the Knicks, and Crowder likely Crowder or Brown) that is bringing back this hypothetical top 5-6 pick? Nobody is trading a top 5 pick for Brown or Crowder lets get real. And why would Monk be included in the "trade" return? We already have that pick. There is no rumored Celtics give up 3 AND 2 other lottery picks I've seen. The Begley "rumor" has the package being #3, a "additional lottery pick" and a player
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Boston Celtics have spoken to the Minnesota Timberwolves about acquiring the 7th pick in the draft, league sources told Basketball Insiders.
on that. Jackson + one of (just going by DX's mock to be fair) Markkanen, Monk, DSJ + 1 of Crowder or Brown. No thanks. If it's such a good deal why is Boston offering it?
No deal with Boston worth discussing without #3 and the Nets 2018 #1.
RE: I'm just saying it's an interesting development...
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Michael Scotto
@MikeAScotto
Boston Celtics have spoken to the Minnesota Timberwolves about acquiring the 7th pick in the draft, league sources told Basketball Insiders.
So tonights 3rd, 7th + Player?
NOPE. I want the Brooklyn pick. If that's off the table, then the entire fucking thing is off the table.
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Amidst Porzingis discussions, Knicks met with Zach Collins last night, sources told @JeremyWoo and I. Collins had dinner with Phil Jackson.
RE: I'm just saying it's an interesting development...
Another new tidbit:
Michael Scotto
@MikeAScotto
Boston Celtics have spoken to the Minnesota Timberwolves about acquiring the 7th pick in the draft, league sources told Basketball Insiders.
So tonights 3rd, 7th + Player?
So let's say Jackson, Isaac, Jaylen Brown? I think I might do that if I'm Phil.
RE: I'm just saying it's an interesting development...
Another new tidbit:
Michael Scotto
@MikeAScotto
Boston Celtics have spoken to the Minnesota Timberwolves about acquiring the 7th pick in the draft, league sources told Basketball Insiders.
So tonights 3rd, 7th + Player?
No fucking way. Has to start with the 3rd pick, Nets 1st next year and then some
me. All of those guys have real questions about their offensive upsides. I love Jackson and Brown but I'd bet AGAINST either one of them being #1 scorers/stars on their team. A bunch of good does not supersede potentially 1 great. If Jackson/Isaac don't develop offensively they are good starters and that's it.
If the Knicks ended up with Josh Jackson, Malik Monk and Zach Collins from the KP deal and their own #8- plus either a player or a pick in the future, is that enough for a full reboot to begin (i.e. next move is to get Melo out of town)?
If the Knicks ended up with Josh Jackson, Malik Monk and Zach Collins from the KP deal and their own #8- plus either a player or a pick in the future, is that enough for a full reboot to begin (i.e. next move is to get Melo out of town)?
? Where are you getting 4 picks from?
3 is Jackson
8 would be the Knicks own pick
and third pick would be this mystery lottery pick. You have them adding 4 lottery picks, they would have 3 total picks?
If the Knicks ended up with Josh Jackson, Malik Monk and Zach Collins from the KP deal and their own #8- plus either a player or a pick in the future, is that enough for a full reboot to begin (i.e. next move is to get Melo out of town)?
? Where are you getting 4 picks from?
3 is Jackson
8 would be the Knicks own pick
and third pick would be this mystery lottery pick. You have them adding 4 lottery picks, they would have 3 total picks?
Note I said "pick in the future." Meaning not in this draft.
Josh Jackson would be the #3 pick, Monk the Knicks own #8 and Collins the mystery lottery pick. Then, the Knicks either get a player or a future pick from Boston to finish the deal.
If the Knicks ended up with Josh Jackson, Malik Monk and Zach Collins from the KP deal and their own #8- plus either a player or a pick in the future, is that enough for a full reboot to begin (i.e. next move is to get Melo out of town)?
? Where are you getting 4 picks from?
3 is Jackson
8 would be the Knicks own pick
and third pick would be this mystery lottery pick. You have them adding 4 lottery picks, they would have 3 total picks?
Note I said "pick in the future." Meaning not in this draft.
Rich
You have them with Jackson, Monk and Collins and their own #8. That's 4 players in this draft. Where is this coming from? I re-read it multiple times and it reads as if you have them somehow adding Josh Jackson, Malik Monk, Zach Collins and #8 pick (their own). That's 4 players this year?
Josh Jackson would be the #3 pick, Monk the Knicks own #8 and Collins the mystery lottery pick. Then, the Knicks either get a player or a future pick from Boston to finish the deal.
He's a poor mans KP if I had to describe him. Much more raw as a shooter, but a better rebounder and frame to add weight. He's a shorter KP without the mean streak. I guess Myles turner would be his upside if I had to compare.
all the comments saying, "both Nets picks and Jaylen Brown" as a starting point...it's not happening.
You may value Porzingis at a certain level, but I don't think anyone in the league would essentially give 3 top 3 picks up for him (even if you don't think Brown is special, we do like him - plus I'm assuming the Nets will be terrible again).
You don't need to trade him and you shouldn't trade him. I get why you're valuing him at this level. But no one is going to give up what you're looking for.
all the comments saying, "both Nets picks and Jaylen Brown" as a starting point...it's not happening.
You may value Porzingis at a certain level, but I don't think anyone in the league would essentially give 3 top 3 picks up for him (even if you don't think Brown is special, we do like him - plus I'm assuming the Nets will be terrible again).
You don't need to trade him and you shouldn't trade him. I get why you're valuing him at this level. But no one is going to give up what you're looking for.
Ok then why is Boston after him? It's because ainge is aware that he doesn't have a future #1 option or even #2 option on his roster. He didn't think fultz was that so he traded out. KP gives him a chance at that. Premium should be paid to account for that.
Ainge obviously valued the drop off from #1 to #3 as 2 future lottery picks. So why shouldn't KP be valued that at a MINIMUM?
Someone needs to tempt Phil with a fresh stash of Peyote
Jackson @ 3, Monk @ 7, and Collins at eight. Plus another pick next year.. That is an interesting proposition. I'm at least hopeful the haul will be significant if traded.
You replace the shooting your missing and get some rim protection. Wondering if we could flip the three for more picks on a trade down, ie. Sacramento for Fox.
I'm also wondering if the Knicks feel like Porz is destined for a life on the injury list.
all the comments saying, "both Nets picks and Jaylen Brown" as a starting point...it's not happening.
You may value Porzingis at a certain level, but I don't think anyone in the league would essentially give 3 top 3 picks up for him (even if you don't think Brown is special, we do like him - plus I'm assuming the Nets will be terrible again).
You don't need to trade him and you shouldn't trade him. I get why you're valuing him at this level. But no one is going to give up what you're looking for.
Ok then why is Boston after him? It's because ainge is aware that he doesn't have a future #1 option or even #2 option on his roster. He didn't think fultz was that so he traded out. KP gives him a chance at that. Premium should be paid to account for that.
Ainge obviously valued the drop off from #1 to #3 as 2 future lottery picks. So why shouldn't KP be valued that at a MINIMUM?
I'm not arguing that the Celtics or any other team shouldn't value him highly. But that kind of price, I think, is reserved for someone who is already an elite performer. He's not quite there yet, though he's well on his way. You're still paying for potential here, to an extent.
#1 for #3, and a future first rounder (likely top 8)
vs.
Porzingis (the equivalent to number 1) for #3, a future first rounder (likely top 5), Jaylen Brown, and Jae Crowder. That's a big difference.
Again, not saying you shouldn't be looking for that. But just saying it's a big ask for any team. Jae Crowder has a phenomenal contract, that is a good asset to have.
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Jackson @ 3, Monk @ 7, and Collins at eight. Plus another pick next year.. That is an interesting proposition. I'm at least hopeful the haul will be significant if traded.
You replace the shooting your missing and get some rim protection. Wondering if we could flip the three for more picks on a trade down, ie. Sacramento for Fox.
I'm also wondering if the Knicks feel like Porz is destined for a life on the injury list.
Porzingis has missed 26 games over 2 seasons, Anthony Davis played 260 games over his first 4 seasons. Didn't see NO in a rush to move AD...
I'm also wondering if the Knicks feel like Porz is destined for a life on the injury list.
That's not it. As recently as the lottery, Phil was talking about KP and Willy like they were givens. I think KP and his handlers have gotten a bit out of pocket and instead of being the adult, Phil is acting like a bitch.
"At the end of the day", KP is still under the Knicks' control for a long time and the Knicks should be in no hurry to trade him for anything less than an enormous amount.
Jackson, Markkanen, and Ntilikina is the haul in this draft it will be a disappointment. Jackson is a lockdown defender, need Monk in the mix for offense not Frank. Plus I'm just personally not high Lauri.
Jackson, Markkanen, and Ntilikina is the haul in this draft it will be a disappointment. Jackson is a lockdown defender, need Monk in the mix for offense not Frank. Plus I'm just personally not high Lauri.
If that happened the biggest plus of the trade would be gunning for the #1 overall next year and not directly any of the players involved in the trade.
Where are you getting 3 lottery picks from? And who is suggesting the pick is an additional top 5-6 pick (high enough to pick Fox?). Why would you include Monk (the Knicks already have that pick).
And Markannen is not KP 2.0. Awful defender who doesn't protect the rim and a terrible rebounder. None of these trades make any sense which is why I fully expect Phil to make them.
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3 and BK pick next year plus two players and they take Noah back
Or we keep Noah and they throw in another pick
I don't want Noah to be a part of this in any way. I want to extract a full price for KP if I'm moving him.
Agreed, either get a shitton of picks from Boston or Booker, Chriss and 4th pick from Suns. If not then don't move him. He is the future
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but is say jackson, fox, and monk for kp enough?
Where are you getting 3 lottery picks from? And who is suggesting the pick is an additional top 5-6 pick (high enough to pick Fox?). Why would you include Monk (the Knicks already have that pick).
I think he's going off the tweet that Boston is trying to add another lottery pick to give to the knicks.
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but is say jackson, fox, and monk for kp enough?
Where are you getting 3 lottery picks from? And who is suggesting the pick is an additional top 5-6 pick (high enough to pick Fox?). Why would you include Monk (the Knicks already have that pick).
yeah your right...
i am hiping it is top 5, if it is after the knicks pick no thanks...
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3 and BK pick next year plus two players and they take Noah back
Or we keep Noah and they throw in another pick
I don't want Noah to be a part of this in any way. I want to extract a full price for KP if I'm moving him.
nah, fuck that. Make them take Noah and then send Horford back in addition to all the picks! Also insist on Crowder and anything else of value that isn't nailed down. No need for Bradley or Smart. I want to part of paying them next summer. There's a reason guys with KP's ceiling are never traded. The haul in return for him should reflect that.
Another new tidbit:
Michael Scotto
@MikeAScotto
Boston Celtics have spoken to the Minnesota Timberwolves about acquiring the 7th pick in the draft, league sources told Basketball Insiders.
So tonights 3rd, 7th + Player?
No deal with Boston worth discussing without #3 and the Nets 2018 #1.
Another new tidbit:
Michael Scotto
@MikeAScotto
Boston Celtics have spoken to the Minnesota Timberwolves about acquiring the 7th pick in the draft, league sources told Basketball Insiders.
So tonights 3rd, 7th + Player?
NOPE. I want the Brooklyn pick. If that's off the table, then the entire fucking thing is off the table.
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Amidst Porzingis discussions, Knicks met with Zach Collins last night, sources told @JeremyWoo and I. Collins had dinner with Phil Jackson.
Another new tidbit:
Michael Scotto
@MikeAScotto
Boston Celtics have spoken to the Minnesota Timberwolves about acquiring the 7th pick in the draft, league sources told Basketball Insiders.
So tonights 3rd, 7th + Player?
So let's say Jackson, Isaac, Jaylen Brown? I think I might do that if I'm Phil.
Another new tidbit:
Michael Scotto
@MikeAScotto
Boston Celtics have spoken to the Minnesota Timberwolves about acquiring the 7th pick in the draft, league sources told Basketball Insiders.
So tonights 3rd, 7th + Player?
No fucking way. Has to start with the 3rd pick, Nets 1st next year and then some
I could get with that although my heart will hurt
? Where are you getting 4 picks from?
3 is Jackson
8 would be the Knicks own pick
and third pick would be this mystery lottery pick. You have them adding 4 lottery picks, they would have 3 total picks?
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If the Knicks ended up with Josh Jackson, Malik Monk and Zach Collins from the KP deal and their own #8- plus either a player or a pick in the future, is that enough for a full reboot to begin (i.e. next move is to get Melo out of town)?
? Where are you getting 4 picks from?
3 is Jackson
8 would be the Knicks own pick
and third pick would be this mystery lottery pick. You have them adding 4 lottery picks, they would have 3 total picks?
Note I said "pick in the future." Meaning not in this draft.
Is that enough to begin a full rebuild?
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If the Knicks ended up with Josh Jackson, Malik Monk and Zach Collins from the KP deal and their own #8- plus either a player or a pick in the future, is that enough for a full reboot to begin (i.e. next move is to get Melo out of town)?
? Where are you getting 4 picks from?
3 is Jackson
8 would be the Knicks own pick
and third pick would be this mystery lottery pick. You have them adding 4 lottery picks, they would have 3 total picks?
Note I said "pick in the future." Meaning not in this draft.
Rich
You have them with Jackson, Monk and Collins and their own #8. That's 4 players in this draft. Where is this coming from? I re-read it multiple times and it reads as if you have them somehow adding Josh Jackson, Malik Monk, Zach Collins and #8 pick (their own). That's 4 players this year?
Is that enough to begin a full rebuild?
Would depend on the "extra" pick
He's a poor mans KP if I had to describe him. Much more raw as a shooter, but a better rebounder and frame to add weight. He's a shorter KP without the mean streak. I guess Myles turner would be his upside if I had to compare.
You may value Porzingis at a certain level, but I don't think anyone in the league would essentially give 3 top 3 picks up for him (even if you don't think Brown is special, we do like him - plus I'm assuming the Nets will be terrible again).
You don't need to trade him and you shouldn't trade him. I get why you're valuing him at this level. But no one is going to give up what you're looking for.
I still can't believe we're even at this point where Phil is auctioning this guy off. What the fuck is wrong with him.
Kennard would suck. Amazing shooter but can't play a lick of defense
So I guess DSJ is off our board?
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Knicks source on Phil right now: "he's dug in. If he doesn't get exactly what he wants, there will be no (Porzingis) trade."
I still can't believe we're even at this point where Phil is auctioning this guy off. What the fuck is wrong with him.
What do you mean? The sentence implies that Phil is "dug in" on the return, not trading KP.
Still hearing the Celtics have no plans to empty their entire war chest to chase Porzingis.
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Source adds that Celtics are waiting for Jackson to come back to earth.
They're gonna wait a while. Phil hasn't been down to earth since 2003.
You may value Porzingis at a certain level, but I don't think anyone in the league would essentially give 3 top 3 picks up for him (even if you don't think Brown is special, we do like him - plus I'm assuming the Nets will be terrible again).
You don't need to trade him and you shouldn't trade him. I get why you're valuing him at this level. But no one is going to give up what you're looking for.
Ok then why is Boston after him? It's because ainge is aware that he doesn't have a future #1 option or even #2 option on his roster. He didn't think fultz was that so he traded out. KP gives him a chance at that. Premium should be paid to account for that.
Ainge obviously valued the drop off from #1 to #3 as 2 future lottery picks. So why shouldn't KP be valued that at a MINIMUM?
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agree 100%. Why do we need to rush to deal KP???
Jackson @ 3, Monk @ 7, and Collins at eight. Plus another pick next year.. That is an interesting proposition. I'm at least hopeful the haul will be significant if traded.
You replace the shooting your missing and get some rim protection. Wondering if we could flip the three for more picks on a trade down, ie. Sacramento for Fox.
I'm also wondering if the Knicks feel like Porz is destined for a life on the injury list.
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all the comments saying, "both Nets picks and Jaylen Brown" as a starting point...it's not happening.
You may value Porzingis at a certain level, but I don't think anyone in the league would essentially give 3 top 3 picks up for him (even if you don't think Brown is special, we do like him - plus I'm assuming the Nets will be terrible again).
You don't need to trade him and you shouldn't trade him. I get why you're valuing him at this level. But no one is going to give up what you're looking for.
Ok then why is Boston after him? It's because ainge is aware that he doesn't have a future #1 option or even #2 option on his roster. He didn't think fultz was that so he traded out. KP gives him a chance at that. Premium should be paid to account for that.
Ainge obviously valued the drop off from #1 to #3 as 2 future lottery picks. So why shouldn't KP be valued that at a MINIMUM?
I'm not arguing that the Celtics or any other team shouldn't value him highly. But that kind of price, I think, is reserved for someone who is already an elite performer. He's not quite there yet, though he's well on his way. You're still paying for potential here, to an extent.
#1 for #3, and a future first rounder (likely top 8)
vs.
Porzingis (the equivalent to number 1) for #3, a future first rounder (likely top 5), Jaylen Brown, and Jae Crowder. That's a big difference.
Again, not saying you shouldn't be looking for that. But just saying it's a big ask for any team. Jae Crowder has a phenomenal contract, that is a good asset to have.
Boston better get Hayward for sure then
Sources: @celtics trying to get No.7 pick from T-Wolves for @nyknicks who have an eye on Lauri Markkanen. #Celticstalk
Jackson @ 3, Monk @ 7, and Collins at eight. Plus another pick next year.. That is an interesting proposition. I'm at least hopeful the haul will be significant if traded.
You replace the shooting your missing and get some rim protection. Wondering if we could flip the three for more picks on a trade down, ie. Sacramento for Fox.
I'm also wondering if the Knicks feel like Porz is destined for a life on the injury list.
Porzingis has missed 26 games over 2 seasons, Anthony Davis played 260 games over his first 4 seasons. Didn't see NO in a rush to move AD...
I'm also wondering if the Knicks feel like Porz is destined for a life on the injury list.
That's not it. As recently as the lottery, Phil was talking about KP and Willy like they were givens. I think KP and his handlers have gotten a bit out of pocket and instead of being the adult, Phil is acting like a bitch.
"At the end of the day", KP is still under the Knicks' control for a long time and the Knicks should be in no hurry to trade him for anything less than an enormous amount.
If that happened the biggest plus of the trade would be gunning for the #1 overall next year and not directly any of the players involved in the trade.