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| The Celtics have offered the Knicks a deal for Kristaps Porzingis that includes their No. 3 pick, an additional lottery pick that they think they can acquire tonight and a player, executives familiar with Boston's offer told ESPN. Obviously, the trade would be contingent on Boston acquiring that pick, which would likely be ahead of the Knicks' No. 8 pick. It is unclear at this point if the Knicks have interest in the trade. Phil Jackson said the club is taking calls on trades for Porzingis. |
I'm starting to hate basketball, period.
I can already see Porzigis turning into a fucking superstar in Boston while whoever the fuck we take with these picks bomb or wind-up JAG's.
Ugh.
LOL. Some of you really overrate this guy. Thats a heck of a haul for Porzingas.
You're talking about a 7'3 guy that plays away from the basket, Weak rebounder, and no post game. Lets not go crazy here.
#3 and Brooklyn is just the framework. They have to sweeten it from there.
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not trading KP for the 3rd pick, possibly 7th pick and Crowder. If they are including the NJ pick next year then we are talking but if not, f them
LOL. Some of you really overrate this guy. Thats a heck of a haul for Porzingas.
You're talking about a 7'3 guy that plays away from the basket, Weak rebounder, and no post game. Lets not go crazy here.
He's green and is still 5 years from his peak
#3 and Brooklyn is just the framework. They have to sweeten it from there.
Agreed as long as we can get Fox at 3
Also over exaggerating Phil's incompetence.
I fucking loathe Phil Jackson. Even if this shit it false news, I hate him. He fostered this entire mess. I hope he never finds peace in his stupid fucking zen shaped triangle. You're not smarter than everyone Phil. You're just an asshole.
Stop with this crap of pointing out KP's weaknesses. If KP was at his peak the devil himself wouldn't trade him away from MSG. This isn't about 2016. This is about 2017-2018-2019 and so on.
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not trading KP for the 3rd pick, possibly 7th pick and Crowder. If they are including the NJ pick next year then we are talking but if not, f them
LOL. Some of you really overrate this guy. Thats a heck of a haul for Porzingas.
You're talking about a 7'3 guy that plays away from the basket, Weak rebounder, and no post game. Lets not go crazy here.
He's 21 years old.
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not trading KP for the 3rd pick, possibly 7th pick and Crowder. If they are including the NJ pick next year then we are talking but if not, f them
LOL. Some of you really overrate this guy. Thats a heck of a haul for Porzingas.
You're talking about a 7'3 guy that plays away from the basket, Weak rebounder, and no post game. Lets not go crazy here.
He's a 7'3" player with a 7'6" wingspan who is athletic, has unlimited range, a good handle, protects the rim and a competitive nature. I have never seen a player with his ability. He's not a complete player by any stretch, so saying he doesn't have a post up game is implying that he never will. He absolutely will. He's a guy that you build around and if the draft picks are anything close to him, I'd be surprised.
Unless KP turns into a super star. Then I can assure you we'd lose the trade. Because super stars don't come around often. The odds that the Knicks land one super star off this stupid trade rumor are 1-50. The odds that KP turns into a super star are better.
You don't trade KP. Period. No offer is enough because teams aren't going to offer too much. Two picks is chicken fried shit.
Stop with this crap of pointing out KP's weaknesses. If KP was at his peak the devil himself wouldn't trade him away from MSG. This isn't about 2016. This is about 2017-2018-2019 and so on.
You're talking about possibly getting two guys with that kind of potential. Jackson is green too. But already elite defensively and getting better offensively. Look I'm a Lakers fan, so have no dog in the fight. But Jackson alone might be a better pro than Porzingas. Its amazing how people are acting like this isn't even close to enough. Why isn't it? I must have missed the Porzingas domination. You could possibly come out of this with Jackson at 3 and Fox or Issac at 7 and then your own pick. Knicks fans should be ecstatic.
Would the Celtics take Noah's contract?
I think if you're the Knicks you have to think very seriously about an offer like that, depending on the details. You don't have to make a deal, but if they like the players they could get at #3 and #8, and the player's good, that's a lot to get back. Do they think they guy they can get at #3 will be better than KP? If so, why wouldn't they do the trade?
I like to watch the Knicks and I keep cable mainly for MSG channel.
Last 3 years I stopped watching games because the product was awful.
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that wants to nit pick KP's game is missing the point entirely. KP's game is at stage 2. He's got about 10 steps to take to reach his ceiling.
Stop with this crap of pointing out KP's weaknesses. If KP was at his peak the devil himself wouldn't trade him away from MSG. This isn't about 2016. This is about 2017-2018-2019 and so on.
You're talking about possibly getting two guys with that kind of potential. Jackson is green too. But already elite defensively and getting better offensively. Look I'm a Lakers fan, so have no dog in the fight. But Jackson alone might be a better pro than Porzingas. Its amazing how people are acting like this isn't even close to enough. Why isn't it? I must have missed the Porzingas domination. You could possibly come out of this with Jackson at 3 and Fox or Issac at 7 and then your own pick. Knicks fans should be ecstatic.
The difference is that Jacksons upside is probably that of a good NBA player. KPs upside is that of a franchise player. And yes, you apparently did miss the KP domination. He was only 20 so he was insanely inconsistent, but he absolutely did show that he could dominate at times. Though in very small doses. But he has given us a glimpse of what he CAN be. Think about it. It is 100% universal among all of us Knicks fans that this trade is a bad idea. Not one single person is thrilled with it. When is the last time that has happened? It should tell those of you that admittedly don't watch him every game that we see something that you don't. Now, maybe every single Knicks fan on the planet is completely wrong. But I'm betting on those that are all in 100% agreement over those that tune in a few times a season to watch him play.
Somehow the Knicks must get Michael Porter next year.
If the Knicks get the third pick this year and Brooklyn's pick next year I could live with trading Porzingas.
I think that Porter will be a franchise player.
High motor?
Somehow the Knicks must get Michael Porter next year.
If the Knicks get the third pick this year and Brooklyn's pick next year I could live with trading Porzingas.
I think that Porter will be a franchise player.
Agreed. If the Knicks do get this years #3 and the Nets 1st next year I can live with the trade. It is highly likely that the Nets will have the worst record next year. The Knicks will be among the worst also especially if they trade or release Melo. The 3rd and 8th picks would have a season to develop and then the Knicks would potentially have two picks in the top 5 next year including possibly the 1st overall pick. Now add those four players to Hernangomez and the Knicks would have a promising young team.
Lol we wish. With our luck Dolan has the secret to eternal life and he is keeping it all to himself.
Hmm that gives me an idea. Problem is I don't have the resources or time to hide in Dolan's office or house for the next 3 months.
We need a super hero like Ant Man.
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not trading KP for the 3rd pick, possibly 7th pick and Crowder. If they are including the NJ pick next year then we are talking but if not, f them
LOL. Some of you really overrate this guy. Thats a heck of a haul for Porzingas.
You're talking about a 7'3 guy that plays away from the basket, Weak rebounder, and no post game. Lets not go crazy here.
He's not a center, and that isn't breaking news. Just because he's 7'3 doesn't mean he needs to sit on the low post and wait to be fed the ball. Next to nobody in the NBA plays around with the archetypical center role. It's about movement, athleticism and shooting. He's all of those, 21 years old, a willing defender who averages 2 blocks a game, and a very advanced for his age offensive player.
3 picks in the top 8 this year and possibly 2 lottery picks next year. It gives us strong chance to build a quality young team.
But who am I kidding they will screw it up either way.
Of course, that happens it's the Knicks way. Also, Boston beat the Cav's to get to the final and KP leads the way
Yes they get Brooklyn's pick and Russell becomes a superstar league MVP and they end up with 50+ wins and the Knicks end up with the 27th pick instead of top 5.
That package would be an awful trade.
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Just thinking the Knick's get Brooklyn's pick and then Brooklyn makes the playoffs.
Yes they get Brooklyn's pick and Russell becomes a superstar league MVP and they end up with 50+ wins and the Knicks end up with the 27th pick instead of top 5.
30 wins from teams that wont even take the court, so in awe are they of the Nyets' new culture
Unless they grab an impact guy during free agency, I don't see how the Nets don't have the worst record in the league next year. I like Russell and think he will excel in Brooklyn but at this point in his career I think he has less of an impact on the W/L column than Brook Lopez would have.
Somehow the Knicks must get Michael Porter next year.
If the Knicks get the third pick this year and Brooklyn's pick next year I could live with trading Porzingas.
I think that Porter will be a franchise player.
For everyone preferring next year's Nets pick to a top-7 pick this year, are you forgetting that there's a lottery? There's no guarantee that the Nets will be the worst team in the league, either. I agree that it's likely, but it's not guaranteed. Hell, the Knicks could chase them to the bottom if they come out of tonight with 5 rookies (or more if they flip Melo). And to declare any of next year's prospects a franchise player already, couldn't they just as easily be Harry Giles or Thon Maker in terms of the draft position?
I hope the Knicks don't trade KP, but I wouldn't necessarily be furious if the Knicks got #3, #5 and Crowder for him. If they came out of tonight with something like Jackson, Fox and Markkanen, that's interesting. I'd even go a step further in that case and try to flip #8 for #11 and #31 and take Kennard at #11 and someone like Swanigan at #31. Use #44 and #58 for some draft-and-stash Euros.
That could be an intriguing young core.
At the end of it though, even if I can talk myself into some upside in a KP trade, I can't convince myself that Phil is the guy to realize that upside.
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The Knicks have to get the Nets pick for next year.
Somehow the Knicks must get Michael Porter next year.
If the Knicks get the third pick this year and Brooklyn's pick next year I could live with trading Porzingas.
I think that Porter will be a franchise player.
For everyone preferring next year's Nets pick to a top-7 pick this year, are you forgetting that there's a lottery? There's no guarantee that the Nets will be the worst team in the league, either. I agree that it's likely, but it's not guaranteed. Hell, the Knicks could chase them to the bottom if they come out of tonight with 5 rookies (or more if they flip Melo). And to declare any of next year's prospects a franchise player already, couldn't they just as easily be Harry Giles or Thon Maker in terms of the draft position?
I hope the Knicks don't trade KP, but I wouldn't necessarily be furious if the Knicks got #3, #5 and Crowder for him. If they came out of tonight with something like Jackson, Fox and Markkanen, that's interesting. I'd even go a step further in that case and try to flip #8 for #11 and #31 and take Kennard at #11 and someone like Swanigan at #31. Use #44 and #58 for some draft-and-stash Euros.
That could be an intriguing young core.
At the end of it though, even if I can talk myself into some upside in a KP trade, I can't convince myself that Phil is the guy to realize that upside.
I think most want the Brooklyn pick on top of the 3rd pick this year and the other acquired top 7 pick this year. Not either/or.
Picks are not equally to proven NBA talent and I think he is worth 3 picks especially to a team as close as Boston is.
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Just thinking the Knick's get Brooklyn's pick and then Brooklyn makes the playoffs.
Unless they grab an impact guy during free agency, I don't see how the Nets don't have the worst record in the league next year. I like Russell and think he will excel in Brooklyn but at this point in his career I think he has less of an impact on the W/L column than Brook Lopez would have.
Nets are favorites for the worst record (which means the pick could be as bad as #4). Other contenders I see:
Sac: Rudy Gay is opting out, and that's a big loss for them. Hield, some interesting bigs, and then Afflalo. Garbage.
PHX: They're going to move Bledsoe for futures, and roll with a 20 year old SG at the 1. It's a fine plan to develop, but year one of the Booker show could be ugly.
Detroit: I think they'd give Drummond and Jackson away for free. And I think they might.
Mavs: A Harrison Barnes injury away from depending on a 39 year old Dirk and Wes Matthews to carry them
Orlando: They stink. Every guy there has stink on them. They need to be pulled apart and sold for scrap value because guys like Biyombo, Vuc, Ross, could help someone. The Ibaka trades were a disaster.
Melo and Rose couldnt do it every game like a KD, but they could score at will enough to make sure we won often enough to not be a 20 win team. Knicks are going to be routinely out talented and wont have a shooter other than KP, assuming he stays, to over come that.
As much as I dislike PJ, I don't think he takes that cake as of right now.
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I have a hard time thinking KP reaches his full potential here. Phil Jackson is the worst executive the Knicks have ever had.
As much as I dislike PJ, I don't think he takes that cake as of right now.
Perhaps you're right but he's got a lot of promise and I wouldn't bet against him.
It's crazy to think how worried some of us were that he wasn't going to take the job in retrospect.
Ugh...
And this isnt his only issue. Similar mismanagement of the Melo issue by doing it in public (pissing off KP in the process). Signing Noah because what the fuck. The parade of coaches Phil has undermined, many of whom wouldnt have gotten a HC interview with any other team. And the fixation on proving that the Triangle is viable, regardless of what his roster of players is suited for (or basically anything else). Taking Jerian Grant over his scout's advice because you like big guards, and then giving up on him after a season. Trading for Rose, because why have a plan?
I could go on. But Phil is up there. Other guys failed but wanted to do good. Phil is failing because he wants to prove a point.
I'm also not pricing in any of the current drama, because as of right now nothing has happened. I'm not letting the Porzingis stuff get me too down until it happens and the return sucks.
Just my opinion/outlook. I can't really argue with anyone who's already furious, I'm just not there.
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My point is that I think there is a good argument that Phil is disloyal, putting his personal ambition ahead of building the best Knicks team. I think he's President-ing in bad faith, which I cant say for prior GMs. It's leading to the really ugly public blow ups with players. Yeah, you heard about Zeke and Marbury feuding. But Zeke was coach, and another player leaked the infamous threat. You didnt have Zeke being interviewed by a company man to take a run at Marbury, nor a press conference where he tried to goat some other player into waiving a NTC. It's bonkers. It has to factor into the evaluation.
That noah deal is pretty foul, I dunno.
I can already see Porzigis turning into a fucking superstar in Boston while whoever the fuck we take with these picks bomb or wind-up JAG's.
Ugh.
Phil was never going to trade KP. He was asking for packages no one was going to offer. This was all about snaking KP back for skipping his exit interview.
Greg every time that name is mentioned I die a little more inside.