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Anakim : 6/22/2017 6:54 pm
Should be an entertaining night. Let's hope the Knicks get some promising talent.
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He has "ELITE UPSIDE" check it out...  
DennyInDenville : 6/22/2017 11:07 pm : link
"Strengths: Elite size for a point guard with very good athleticism and quickness Impressive wingspan (close to 7 ft) Very mature for his age with a good basketball IQ He has a thin frame, but his body structure suggests that he can add weight and increase his muscle tone nicely A true point guard with a pass first mentality He can control the pace of the game nicely Excellent passer with great court vision He is always looking to find the open teammate He can pass on the move and also while penetrating Excels on the open court and loves to run the break Great ball handler He has a nice hesitation dribble and he has also an improving crossover dribble on his repertoire Possesses an explosive first step Really good on ISO situations thanks to his athleticism, length and excellent ball handling He can create his own shoot and score off the dribble from mid-range and has also a floater as a counter move When he has time to gather he can finish strong at the rim Improving 3-point shooter He is already very good on Pick and Roll situations as the ball handler, because he shows patience and is always looking for the right choice His body and physical tools are his biggest weapons on Defense He has great lateral quickness which helps him stay in front of his man When he is motivated on Defense he can be a lockdown defender His length and athleticism help him make a lot of steals Versatile defender with the potential to guard multiple positions in the future He has a high upside

Weaknesses: He really needs to add some muscle to his body or else he could have problems at the next level He hasnt been tested at a senior level yet His shooting release looks a little odd at times and thats the main reason he isnt a consistent shooter from long range yet He needs to become more vocal and learn when he has to take over a game At times he is too unselfish and too keen to pass the ball and as a result he looks passive He must add some aggressiveness to his game He has problems finishing through contact at the rim due to his thin body and at times he looks like he is even avoiding contact, settling for a mid-range shot He has problems against physical game He isnt always focused on defense At times he forgets to keep a low stance when he is guarding his opponent and as a result he can be crossed easily He relies too much on his length to make steals when he gets crossed, which leads to bad fouls He has problems defending the Pick and Roll, looking lost at times Stronger players can post him up

Overall: Ntilikina is undoubtedly one of the best International players of his generation. His elite physical tools and feel for the game, combined with his high upside makes him a really intriguing prospect ... He is not NBA ready just yet, but he has all the tools to become a very good player in the future ...

Notes: He was born in Belgium and he is originating from Rwanda, but he was raised in France He was a member of the France team that won the U16 European Championship in 2014 He was named French League Best Young Player in 2015/16 season ...

Stefanos Makris 9/14/16"
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Guys I'm interested in in the second round and undrafted  
Anakim : 6/22/2017 11:07 pm : link
Mostly from word of mouth:

Isaiah Hartenstein
Semi Ojeleye
Sindarius Thornwell
John Motley
Ike Anigbogu
Ivan Rabb
Edmond Sumner
Monte Morris
Tyler Dorsey
Jaron Blossomgame
Dwyane Bacon
Jawun Evans
RE: Guys I'm interested in in the second round and undrafted  
Anakim : 6/22/2017 11:19 pm : link
In comment 13508924 Anakim said:
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Mostly from word of mouth:

Isaiah Hartenstein
Semi Ojeleye
Sindarius Thornwell
John Motley
Ike Anigbogu
Ivan Rabb
Edmond Sumner
Monte Morris
Tyler Dorsey
Jaron Blossomgame
Dwyane Bacon
Jawun Evans


Forgot PJ Dozier
I've been on the Dwayne Bacon bandwagon for months.  
bceagle05 : 6/22/2017 11:22 pm : link
Figured he'd be gone by now.
RE: I've been on the Dwayne Bacon bandwagon for months.  
Anakim : 6/22/2017 11:27 pm : link
In comment 13508929 bceagle05 said:
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Figured he'd be gone by now.


Spoke too soon
RE: Guys I'm interested in in the second round and undrafted  
Anakim : 6/22/2017 11:29 pm : link
Mostly from word of mouth:

Isaiah Hartenstein of Germany
Sindarius Thornwell of South Carolina
John Motley of Baylor
Ike Anigbogu of UCLA
Edmond Sumner of Xavier
Monte Morris of Iowa State
Tyler Dorsey of Oregon
Jaron Blossomgame of Clemson
PJ Dozier of South Carolina
How about the big guy from France ?  
DennyInDenville : 6/22/2017 11:32 pm : link
Give Frank a friend
With all our Euros Dolan should offer Poppovich a blank check  
DennyInDenville : 6/22/2017 11:36 pm : link
Pay him $30 million per season and give him full control.
Plenty of talent available at 44  
Reeses Pieces : 6/22/2017 11:36 pm : link
Hoping for some lightning in a bottle.
3 and D guy  
MookGiants : 6/22/2017 11:43 pm : link
I like it.
Dotson!!! I like it  
DennyInDenville : 6/22/2017 11:44 pm : link
Size/athlete/rebounder SG

Shot 44% from 3
RE: How about the big guy from France ?  
Anakim : 6/22/2017 11:48 pm : link
In comment 13508934 DennyInDenville said:
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Give Frank a friend


Jeanne? He has Morphin's Syndrome
Ugh  
MookGiants : 6/22/2017 11:48 pm : link
Bell is a really good fit for the Warriors. His limitations wont matter with that roster
Bucks take Thornwell.  
bceagle05 : 6/22/2017 11:51 pm : link
Another second round steal for them.
I like the Knicks pick  
MookGiants : 6/22/2017 11:52 pm : link
but speaking to what Deej said earlier, would have liked a guy like Thornwell. Tough as nails. A bulldog. Excellent defender. Think we need a huge culture change and Thornwell is as tough as they come
Clippers end up with Evans and Thonwell  
Anakim : 6/22/2017 11:56 pm : link
Nice job
RE: Clippers end up with Evans and Thonwell  
bceagle05 : 6/23/2017 12:00 am : link
In comment 13508948 Anakim said:
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Nice job


Jerry West.

Nice pieces for a Melo deal!
John Motley of Baylor  
Anakim : 6/23/2017 12:04 am : link
Come on, Phil!
RE: John Motley of Baylor  
Mike in NY : 6/23/2017 12:06 am : link
In comment 13508952 Anakim said:
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Come on, Phil!


Him or Blossomgame look intriguing for what is left
RE: RE: John Motley of Baylor  
Anakim : 6/23/2017 12:09 am : link
In comment 13508954 Mike in NY said:
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Come on, Phil!



Him or Blossomgame look intriguing for what is left


Agreed. Those two or PJ Dozier of South Carolina. Kobi Simmons could be a nice find for Summer League.
Knicks draft someone to stash in Europe  
Mike in NY : 6/23/2017 12:18 am : link
Then Spurs draft Blossomgame
How do you know we're stashing him?  
PetesHereNow : 6/23/2017 12:20 am : link
Kid looked really good to me.
If Motley or Dozier sign with us, I'll be happy  
Anakim : 6/23/2017 12:24 am : link
We'll see.
RE: How do you know we're stashing him?  
Mike in NY : 6/23/2017 12:26 am : link
In comment 13508957 PetesHereNow said:
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Kid looked really good to me.


Unless we are going to stash French F**k, are we really going to have him waste away as our 3rd PG while he could get starting minutes in Europe?
Both Frenchy and this kid can play 1 and 2.  
PetesHereNow : 6/23/2017 12:32 am : link
I mean, he could be a stash, but it's not like we're overflowing with talent at either spot
Jaramaz - not sure we'll stash him -  
Del Shofner : 6/23/2017 12:32 am : link
Strengths: Jaramaz is talented European PG with size and speed ... A good athlete who likes attacking the rim and tries to dunk the ball every time he has chance ... He likes pushing the ball in transition and making good passes in the open court as well ... Quick first step allows him to separate himself from defense and score ... Most effective playing fast pace and running at full speed ... If he attacks the defenders off the dribble he will most likely drive to his right and finish with right hand (feels most comfortable) ... Reads defenders well at P&R game situations and is smart enough to recognize when defenders are playing under to take 15-feet jump-shot that he feels comfortable and is very effective with ... Good passer who will find open teammates for easy shots or layups. Improved his outside shooting and is not afraid to take deep shots under the pressure ... Defensively does a good job at being active and staying in the passing lines/can pressure the ball on both G positions in defense ... Handles the ball well and doesnt turn it over (1.6 TO) ... Rebounds the ball well for his size and does a great job at following missed shots; scores numerous times on put-backs dunks and easy layups under the rim when no one is expecting ... Hard worker on the court and great kid off the floor.

Weaknesses: Jaramaz has to improve his outside shooting in order to be more effective player at the next level (this season he is shooting only 28.4% for 3) ... Must become a better decision maker on P&R situations ... His jump shot has low point of release and has to learn how to shoots it higher among other things in that area; in my opinion he has to change his shooting form in order to increase his outside percentage ... Defensively he is trying to go for too much at the times ... His age works against him some as he's already draft eligible and older than other options at the PG position ...

RE: RE: How do you know we're stashing him?  
DennyInDenville : 6/23/2017 12:32 am : link
In comment 13508959 Mike in NY said:
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Kid looked really good to me.



Unless we are going to stash French F**k, are we really going to have him waste away as our 3rd PG while he could get starting minutes in Europe?

He's perfect for the tank, we can give him 12-16 mins
RE: Both Frenchy and this kid can play 1 and 2.  
Del Shofner : 6/23/2017 12:34 am : link
In comment 13508961 PetesHereNow said:
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I mean, he could be a stash, but it's not like we're overflowing with talent at either spot


exactly - looking at PG and assuming Rose is gone - Frenchy and the Serb will be competing with Chasson Randle and Ron Baker - both of whom I like, but not exactly all-stars.
perimeter D and sharing the ball -  
Del Shofner : 6/23/2017 12:38 am : link
time will tell but that's what this draft looks like. Not crazy considering how bad the Knicks' perimeter D was last year.
We need Michael Porter next years draft  
DennyInDenville : 6/23/2017 12:39 am : link
That would give us an extremely young mature , determined big 3 in Kp, Porter, and Frank at PG SF and PF/C for KP
RE: RE: Both Frenchy and this kid can play 1 and 2.  
Mike in NY : 6/23/2017 12:39 am : link
In comment 13508966 Del Shofner said:
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I mean, he could be a stash, but it's not like we're overflowing with talent at either spot



exactly - looking at PG and assuming Rose is gone - Frenchy and the Serb will be competing with Chasson Randle and Ron Baker - both of whom I like, but not exactly all-stars.


In theory yes, but I can see Phil Jackson wanting a veteran PG to run his beloved triangle offense, which he won't stop shoving down our throats even if it is not workable without having the best player in the game who will succeed in any offensive scheme.
Jaramaz Highlights  
Canton : 6/23/2017 12:42 am : link
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Decent night  
Phil in LA : 6/23/2017 12:44 am : link
Frank was my guy, and two shooters.
RE: RE: RE: Both Frenchy and this kid can play 1 and 2.  
Del Shofner : 6/23/2017 12:44 am : link
In comment 13508969 Mike in NY said:
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In theory yes, but I can see Phil Jackson wanting a veteran PG to run his beloved triangle offense, which he won't stop shoving down our throats even if it is not workable without having the best player in the game who will succeed in any offensive scheme.


Look, I can't predict Jax any more than you can - but I see the opposite - I think he's sick of "veteran" PGs, none of whom can run the triangle or care to defend the point.

Picking 2 young Euro PGs sends that message IMO. We're not going to have a "veteran" PG this year.
Now here comes  
bceagle05 : 6/23/2017 12:48 am : link
the scary part.....July.
Everyone will  
GMEN46 : 6/23/2017 12:49 am : link
Be very disappointed with Frank, a non athletic pg does not work in the NBA anymore
hard to see how Melo fits in with the direction the Knicks  
Del Shofner : 6/23/2017 12:56 am : link
seem to be going.
Yeah I had the same thought about Melo.  
bceagle05 : 6/23/2017 1:13 am : link
It's gonna be a nightmare if he sticks around.
Yea its time to send Melo to Cleveland or the Clippers  
Stu11 : 6/23/2017 1:21 am : link
for future #1's and a decent young player. those future #1's can be lotto's when those 2 franchises inevitably crater within 3 or 4 seasons.
This should make Jon happy  
Anakim : 6/23/2017 1:27 am : link
Darren Wolfson‏Verified account @DWolfsonKSTP
Have long followed ex-#Badgers star Nigel Hayes' path since he turned the #Gophers down. Told he's committed to #Knicks for summer league.
RE: Yea its time to send Melo to Cleveland or the Clippers  
DennyInDenville : 6/23/2017 2:12 am : link
In comment 13508978 Stu11 said:
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for future #1's and a decent young player. those future #1's can be lotto's when those 2 franchises inevitably crater within 3 or 4 seasons.

Yup I'd even take albatross contracts back for that to happen as well
RE: This should make Jon happy  
Jon in NYC : 6/23/2017 3:13 am : link
In comment 13508979 Anakim said:
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Darren Wolfson‏Verified account @DWolfsonKSTP
Have long followed ex-#Badgers star Nigel Hayes' path since he turned the #Gophers down. Told he's committed to #Knicks for summer league.


Nigel has a real shot to make the team.

He can't shoot for shit, but he's a plus defender, passer, post player. More importantly, he's a Phil guy. Really smart dude (obviously, Wisconsin **ducks**) and culturally aware. Great for a locker room, which Phil really values.
GMEN  
XBRONX : 6/23/2017 6:03 am : link
You said Frank is not a good athlete. Please explain how can a player be a top notch one on one defender with quick feet and not be a very good athlete
Maybe I'm watching different video then you  
GMEN46 : 6/23/2017 6:46 am : link
But I do not see quick feet against very average competition can't imagine how less quick those feet will be in the NBA
wow  
XBRONX : 6/23/2017 7:16 am : link
Glad you are not a scout for the NBA
Bulls had the worst night  
Vin R : 6/23/2017 11:35 am : link
By far - not even close.. Horrible
RE: Bulls had the worst night  
Jon in NYC : 6/23/2017 11:39 am : link
In comment 13509360 Vin R said:
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By far - not even close.. Horrible


It's cool, there's about 5 other teams you can root for so you're good.
RE: RE: Bulls had the worst night  
Vin R : 6/23/2017 11:40 am : link
In comment 13509361 Jon in NYC said:
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By far - not even close.. Horrible



It's cool, there's about 5 other teams you can root for so you're good.


Sooo... I can't comment on how a team did in the draft?
RE: GMEN  
giantsfan44ab : 6/23/2017 11:42 am : link
In comment 13508992 XBRONX said:
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You said Frank is not a good athlete. Please explain how can a player be a top notch one on one defender with quick feet and not be a very good athlete


Tayshaun Prince? Marc Gasol? Thabo Sefaosha? Should I keep going?
I wouldn't say that Tay isn't a good athlete...  
Vin R : 6/23/2017 11:44 am : link
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