Porzingis is a singular player. There really aren't any comps for him. Nothing about Frenchy is special.
The situations are really similar, tbh. Let's not pretend anyone was selling porzingis at the time as some special player. People went nuts because he was sold as a huge project.
I'd love to be wrong about the kid. You'll have to forgive me, as virtually nothing the Knicks have done in the last 2 decades has instilled any confidence.
It just seems like most people have him pegged as a role player. The odds of him being more than that appear awfully slim.
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but it looks like we just passed up on two dynamic guards to draft a fucking role player.
Eh, he could have Batum like skils. I think he has enough talent to be a star. People poo poo his 3 point shot because of his FT%, ignoring how few FTs he took. If he 3's, moves the ball right, and defends, that's not far from stardom.
Lets see what he is first.
I hope Batum isn't his ceiling. You're talking about a non-all star who's not much of a different maker out there
Two best players are both miserable, coach is running a system he dislikes, and the team president is incompetent. Oh, and we have the worst owner in sports.
I'd love to be wrong about the kid. You'll have to forgive me, as virtually nothing the Knicks have done in the last 2 decades has instilled any confidence.
It just seems like most people have him pegged as a role player. The odds of him being more than that appear awfully slim.
Look, I'm squarely basing this on how well they've done drafting from europe. It's paper thin reasoning, I'm aware.
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Look, I fully admit I did not like the KP pick and happily that was a great pick. Maybe this kid turns into something. But I'm taking Malik Monk all day long. Hope I'm wrong. God the fucking Knicks are such a joke. I'm fucking livid with this pick.
I'd love to be wrong about the kid. You'll have to forgive me, as virtually nothing the Knicks have done in the last 2 decades has instilled any confidence.
It just seems like most people have him pegged as a role player. The odds of him being more than that appear awfully slim.
If there is one thing, it's recent draft picks of Euros. KP and Willy. I dont hold the Greek or Louis L against them as it was the ass end of a shitty draft -- doesnt look like they made a big miss there. Black and Felicio look good tho.
maybe the Knicks can work magic and trade into lottery for him. Oh that's right we don't have any assets. I'll give frenchy a shot, I do like a few things about his game. I just want more talent and youth on this roster.
major thing between frenchy and KP was people at least said KP had a huge ceiling, I think we just got a safe rotational/starter here. There's not much star potential, just a solid all around game.
He's not a real point. Average athlete. Average handle. Decent shot this year, lousy before, remind to be seen if the improvement lasts. For all the talk about his D, it's mostly projection based on long arms.
So what is the standout gift he hangs his hat on?
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I'd love to be wrong about the kid. You'll have to forgive me, as virtually nothing the Knicks have done in the last 2 decades has instilled any confidence.
It just seems like most people have him pegged as a role player. The odds of him being more than that appear awfully slim.
If there is one thing, it's recent draft picks of Euros. KP and Willy. I dont hold the Greek or Louis L against them as it was the ass end of a shitty draft -- doesnt look like they made a big miss there. Black and Felicio look good tho.
Yeah, I get it - I just feel like if he's "good regular" that doesn't really move the needle much at all.
I'd rather just swing for the fences.
I feel like both Monk and DSJ will be better players.
He's not a real point. Average athlete. Average handle. Decent shot this year, lousy before, remind to be seen if the improvement lasts. For all the talk about his D, it's mostly projection based on long arms.
So what is the standout gift he hangs his hat on?
Holy fucking shit. Talk about a pessimistic view. I know you don't actually believe all of that.
that it seems like a system pick more than anything.
I know Phil can't look at it this way, but i'm going to be a fan of the Knicks long after Phil is gone, and does anyone here think Phil is going to last more than 2 years? I certainly dont
How many times have you seen him play?
From someone who has seen him play "A true point guard with a “pass first” mentality … He can control the pace of the game nicely … Excellent passer with great court vision … He is always looking to find the open teammate … He can pass on the move and also while penetrating … Excels on the open court and loves to run the break … Great ball handler … He has a nice hesitation dribble and he has also an improving crossover dribble on his repertoire … Possesses an explosive first step."
major thing between frenchy and KP was people at least said KP had a huge ceiling, I think we just got a safe rotational/starter here. There's not much star potential, just a solid all around game.
What this said. In a horseshit season where we were out of playoff contention by December, we drafted the French George Hill. Would rather have gone with Monk or Mitchell here, then Frank Mason and Deandre Burton in red 2.
really a fan of that trade for the Bulls, unless they could have kept #16. The Finnish guy can shoot, but looks like he needs to add weight. Levine can play, but is coming off a torn ACL. Dunn is an unknown.
Bitching gets you nowhere. There are plenty of reasons to like the pick.
Only if you are opposing the Knicks or think the triangle can actually succeed without someone like Jordan, Shaq, or Kobe. There is nothing that says All-Star about any aspect of Frenchy's game. Monk or DSJ have far more upside.
He's not a real point. Average athlete. Average handle. Decent shot this year, lousy before, remind to be seen if the improvement lasts. For all the talk about his D, it's mostly projection based on long arms.
So what is the standout gift he hangs his hat on?
Holy fucking shit. Talk about a pessimistic view. I know you don't actually believe all of that.
He's not a real point. Average athlete. Average handle. Decent shot this year, lousy before, remind to be seen if the improvement lasts. For all the talk about his D, it's mostly projection based on long arms.
So what is the standout gift he hangs his hat on?
I don't want to come off as a homer, because i'm razor's edge close to ditching this team, but he's 19 years old. Everything about him is projection. They didn't just pull his name out of a homeless dude's hat. He was projected to be drafted where he was, so people think he clearly can play at a high enough level to be a top ten nba draft pick.
The situations are really similar, tbh. Let's not pretend anyone was selling porzingis at the time as some special player. People went nuts because he was sold as a huge project.
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It just seems like most people have him pegged as a role player. The odds of him being more than that appear awfully slim.
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but it looks like we just passed up on two dynamic guards to draft a fucking role player.
Eh, he could have Batum like skils. I think he has enough talent to be a star. People poo poo his 3 point shot because of his FT%, ignoring how few FTs he took. If he 3's, moves the ball right, and defends, that's not far from stardom.
Lets see what he is first.
I hope Batum isn't his ceiling. You're talking about a non-all star who's not much of a different maker out there
What?
Batum is a great player.
um, no. Are you drunk?
Lol.
Seems like a good kid.
It just seems like most people have him pegged as a role player. The odds of him being more than that appear awfully slim.
Look, I'm squarely basing this on how well they've done drafting from europe. It's paper thin reasoning, I'm aware.
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but it looks like we just passed up on two dynamic guards to draft a fucking role player.
smith has something eith his knees...
wonder how far monk falls
hey it coukd be worse could be having the night the bulls are having
Man you are such a Knick homer. Fuck this team.
huh? i wanted monk, but let me ask you how many frank games have you watched?
i bet you hated the kp pick to
I hope I'm wrong. I wanted Monk.
Good night for Kings.
It just seems like most people have him pegged as a role player. The odds of him being more than that appear awfully slim.
If there is one thing, it's recent draft picks of Euros. KP and Willy. I dont hold the Greek or Louis L against them as it was the ass end of a shitty draft -- doesnt look like they made a big miss there. Black and Felicio look good tho.
This is Phuckface in action.
This won't end well.
um, no. Are you drunk?
Definitely a little, but how many players are getting 15-6-6 and 2 3s per game?
actually knicks have one of the best euro scouts in the nba...
None of those people are here working now though. That's just being scared of ghosts.
And maybe they got this wrong, who can say. But they've gotten a lot right in recent years going back to Gallinari.
So what is the standout gift he hangs his hat on?
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I'd love to be wrong about the kid. You'll have to forgive me, as virtually nothing the Knicks have done in the last 2 decades has instilled any confidence.
It just seems like most people have him pegged as a role player. The odds of him being more than that appear awfully slim.
If there is one thing, it's recent draft picks of Euros. KP and Willy. I dont hold the Greek or Louis L against them as it was the ass end of a shitty draft -- doesnt look like they made a big miss there. Black and Felicio look good tho.
Yeah, I get it - I just feel like if he's "good regular" that doesn't really move the needle much at all.
I'd rather just swing for the fences.
I feel like both Monk and DSJ will be better players.
So what is the standout gift he hangs his hat on?
Holy fucking shit. Talk about a pessimistic view. I know you don't actually believe all of that.
I know Phil can't look at it this way, but i'm going to be a fan of the Knicks long after Phil is gone, and does anyone here think Phil is going to last more than 2 years? I certainly dont
nope next year doncic and you will like it!
From someone who has seen him play "A true point guard with a “pass first” mentality … He can control the pace of the game nicely … Excellent passer with great court vision … He is always looking to find the open teammate … He can pass on the move and also while penetrating … Excels on the open court and loves to run the break … Great ball handler … He has a nice hesitation dribble and he has also an improving crossover dribble on his repertoire … Possesses an explosive first step."
What this said. In a horseshit season where we were out of playoff contention by December, we drafted the French George Hill. Would rather have gone with Monk or Mitchell here, then Frank Mason and Deandre Burton in red 2.
Its more awful that you actually had Knicks season tickets.
Ron Fucking Baker, son.
Because we're talked about it before.
Bitching gets you nowhere. There are plenty of reasons to like the pick.
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Because we're talked about it before.
Bitching gets you nowhere. There are plenty of reasons to like the pick.
Only if you are opposing the Knicks or think the triangle can actually succeed without someone like Jordan, Shaq, or Kobe. There is nothing that says All-Star about any aspect of Frenchy's game. Monk or DSJ have far more upside.
Frank and Porzingus let's go!!! Lil Willy too!!
Then a top pick next year!! Let's get Melo, Lee and KOQ shipped out right now!!!
Hah, won't that just be the icing on the cake.
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He's not a real point. Average athlete. Average handle. Decent shot this year, lousy before, remind to be seen if the improvement lasts. For all the talk about his D, it's mostly projection based on long arms.
So what is the standout gift he hangs his hat on?
Holy fucking shit. Talk about a pessimistic view. I know you don't actually believe all of that.
Any UVA pick would have been better. No doubt.
So what is the standout gift he hangs his hat on?
I don't want to come off as a homer, because i'm razor's edge close to ditching this team, but he's 19 years old. Everything about him is projection. They didn't just pull his name out of a homeless dude's hat. He was projected to be drafted where he was, so people think he clearly can play at a high enough level to be a top ten nba draft pick.