Hate hate this pick. Giannis and KP were described as raw with a high upside. No one - nobody is describing Frank as this. "Hopefully he's a starter". Great. I can't believe they passed on Monk and DSJ for him. Hope I'm wrong.
But can we please stop with the KP comparisons? Sure fans booed, but the one thing about that pick was that while it was widely acknowledged that he was raw and would take years to develop, the common thoughts were that his ceiling was incredible. If he could get there. To say otherwise is revisionist bullshit. We all took solace in the fact, afterwards, that MAYBE we had something special on our hands. Has ANYONE that has seen Frenchy play say that? The best I've heard so far is that he "can be a starter". Maybe he will work out, but to keep saying "we said the same thing two years ago" is a terrible comparison. Everyone thought that KP had a very high ceiling. Frenchy? Maybe a starter. Big difference.
I hope he becomes an all star, but I have yet to see anyone in the know suggest that at this point.
major thing between frenchy and KP was people at least said KP had a huge ceiling, I think we just got a safe rotational/starter here. There's not much star potential, just a solid all around game.
I don't know how anyone can say an 18 year old kid that played well with grown men and has the size and length and shot that frank possesses has limited upside. This is the herd mentality. One guy says it the rest follow suit. He wouldn't be rated top ten virtually everywhere if he didn't have major upside..
Honestly, I'm not sure we need a "star" as much as we need an underrated floor leader anyway. Monk is nice but do we really want a scoring guard or the cerebral defensive pg? Gimme the latter.
I would have been happy with smith monk or frank but if they all turn out to be equals I would want frank. We need that type of player.
RE: I still think the Knicks are going to try to move Melo tonight Â
Someone said Khris Middleton and I guess that's his upside. Middleton is bigger, longer and more athletic though. 40% 3 point shooter is a lofty expectation for any player also.
But can we please stop with the KP comparisons? Sure fans booed, but the one thing about that pick was that while it was widely acknowledged that he was raw and would take years to develop, the common thoughts were that his ceiling was incredible. If he could get there. To say otherwise is revisionist bullshit. We all took solace in the fact, afterwards, that MAYBE we had something special on our hands. Has ANYONE that has seen Frenchy play say that? The best I've heard so far is that he "can be a starter". Maybe he will work out, but to keep saying "we said the same thing two years ago" is a terrible comparison. Everyone thought that KP had a very high ceiling. Frenchy? Maybe a starter. Big difference.
I hope he becomes an all star, but I have yet to see anyone in the know suggest that at this point.
The point of citing the Porzingis draft is not to compare the player. It's to highlight the fact that nobody knew a damn thing about Porzingis. Including the people who watched him play. Nobody really got it right other than the obvious, that someone his size with that shot had incredible potential. Even the experts that liked Porzingis figured he had a CHANCE to be a starter in years.
The most interesting player in this draft may be point guard Frank Ntilikina of France. Ntilikina is just 18 years old, and in just under 600 minutes in French league Pro-A this season, he shot an above-average 43 percent from behind the 3-point line, equaling an eFG percentage of 57. His efficient play at such a young age in Europe makes him the most likely member of this class to play at an All-Star level, but his limited minutes and the unknowns that accompany the fact that he is coming from Europe, also give him a 59 percent chance of being a bust according to our model.
1. How many games of Frank have you seen? Enough to get a gauge of his athleticism and skills with the ball in his hands. How many games of DSJ and Monk have I seen? Many more, and guess what, they actually do things that good basketball players do, I don't have to pray/imagine either of those two doing them.
2. He fits the triangle better. Phil will be gone in 2 years, nobody plays the system. And what does a triangel player even mean? Why don't we fill a roster full of Ivy League players in short shorts to make Phil happy?
3. He isn't a me-first player. How do we know what DSJ and Monk will become? It's like saying you'd rather have Duhon, who didn't shoot because he couldn't, than Baron Davis or Stevie Francis.
This is like Phil drafting a Ron Harper before he has a Michael Jordan or Scottie Pippen. Smith and Monk have "play-now" skills but you refuse to project the other aspects of their games, yet you are all projections when it comes to Frenchy? We have no talent except for KP, whom Phil is trying to trade, but we are looking for role players for a system?
WTF?! This is different than KP. KP could do things at 7-3 that Frenchy can't at 6-5.
And why does it matter how many of his games I have seen? I have seen many of Monk's and Smith's games, and they have the present performance to go with their potential.
Chris Brickley, a former Knicks assistant coach who now trains NBA players and has worked with Ntilikina, says the Frenchman’s stroke is NBA ready. He has proof, too: there’s an arduous drill Brickley likes to put his players through; it consists of launching 100 3s from different spots on the floor. Brickley says that when Kevin Durant runs through it, he’ll nail around 80 percent. Most guards, he adds, drain about 70.
“And the first time I ran Frank through,” says Brickley, “he hit 78.”
That's what they do every night.
That's a low key blessing though.
Can't get mad until the kid fails. It's not like this is a colossal reach.
Plus let's be honest, we've had good fortunes with euro picks lately.
Actually when it comes to drafting you can give the knicks some benefit of the doubt. They've been pretty good at drafting.
It's been their vet FA moves that have been awful. And coaching hires.
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I hope he becomes an all star, but I have yet to see anyone in the know suggest that at this point.
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problem is that given their terrible past picks, you just can't give the Knicks the benefit of the doubt.
Actually when it comes to drafting you can give the knicks some benefit of the doubt. They've been pretty good at drafting.
It's been their vet FA moves that have been awful. And coaching hires.
I don't know how anyone can say an 18 year old kid that played well with grown men and has the size and length and shot that frank possesses has limited upside. This is the herd mentality. One guy says it the rest follow suit. He wouldn't be rated top ten virtually everywhere if he didn't have major upside..
Honestly, I'm not sure we need a "star" as much as we need an underrated floor leader anyway. Monk is nice but do we really want a scoring guard or the cerebral defensive pg? Gimme the latter.
I would have been happy with smith monk or frank but if they all turn out to be equals I would want frank. We need that type of player.
As they say, ma nishtana?
Someone said Khris Middleton and I guess that's his upside. Middleton is bigger, longer and more athletic though. 40% 3 point shooter is a lofty expectation for any player also.
I hope he becomes an all star, but I have yet to see anyone in the know suggest that at this point.
The point of citing the Porzingis draft is not to compare the player. It's to highlight the fact that nobody knew a damn thing about Porzingis. Including the people who watched him play. Nobody really got it right other than the obvious, that someone his size with that shot had incredible potential. Even the experts that liked Porzingis figured he had a CHANCE to be a starter in years.
I dont want Melo back either and I would even buy him out, but I could at least see the other side of the argument.
Rose should not be brought back under any circumstance.
Get rid of Melo, turn the keys over to Kristaps, and tank as hard as you can next year
interesting quote..
Butler runs the offense Lee provides spacing. Ease frank into a lead guard roll.
He's under contract for two more years, and then he's a restricted free agent.
Where is he going?
2. He fits the triangle better. Phil will be gone in 2 years, nobody plays the system. And what does a triangel player even mean? Why don't we fill a roster full of Ivy League players in short shorts to make Phil happy?
3. He isn't a me-first player. How do we know what DSJ and Monk will become? It's like saying you'd rather have Duhon, who didn't shoot because he couldn't, than Baron Davis or Stevie Francis.
This is like Phil drafting a Ron Harper before he has a Michael Jordan or Scottie Pippen. Smith and Monk have "play-now" skills but you refuse to project the other aspects of their games, yet you are all projections when it comes to Frenchy? We have no talent except for KP, whom Phil is trying to trade, but we are looking for role players for a system?
WTF?! This is different than KP. KP could do things at 7-3 that Frenchy can't at 6-5.
Jackson had a handle and quickness (when he was young). Does this guy?
Sorry brother.
When the Cuse is the 14 seed in the ACC tournament next year I'll be taking my lumps.
WTF?! This is different than KP. KP could do things at 7-3 that Frenchy can't at 6-5.
Such as what?
Uhh, what in the hell are you talking about
Yes
I can see that
A cancer? Wtf are you babbling about?
“And the first time I ran Frank through,” says Brickley, “he hit 78.”