but I have to trust the Knicks' European scouts. They've done a good job.
Melo cannot be on this team next season. We must turn the fucking page.
Yep. I see zero positive to having him around. He'll likely hurt our draft position for next year, and I think guys like Kristaps will be better off in the long run not having him on the team.
Turn the page is the best way to put it. Even if it means buying him out we have to do it
Frank and his work ethic/ playing style is everything this franchise needs. Pray this kid pans out because if his play style reaches its potential it's going to elevate the knicks big time. He might be a dud but if he's the goods we're gonna be happy he was the pick over a guy like monk. Monk could be a shinier player but the knicks don't need shiny. They need a junk yard dog floor leader. He needs to be a star but not a scoring star. That's just my opinion maybe I'm wrong.
I couldn't agree more. If KP gets his head out of his ass. Rose is gone for sure and Melo either plays fiddle to KP or traded.
In that scenario, KP is the teams alpha and much happier as a result, he becomes the "good kid/man" again and loves NY and meets Phil next year. And Frank can bring that hard working selfless culture to the team and put Kristaps in the absolute best state mentally and on the floor.
They will grow together. They're combined ages are younger then Vince Carter.
I absolute LOVE the pick.
Monk is probly better but I like this "culture change" pick.
It's what's best as long as he can play Pg. hopefully he gets big mins as a rookie.
We should probly keep Lee now just as some sort of mentor or trade him for a better one. And sign some old fuck who was good and can teach.
RE: RE: Frank was clearly the least exciting choice there,
but I have to trust the Knicks' European scouts. They've done a good job.
Melo cannot be on this team next season. We must turn the fucking page.
Yep. I see zero positive to having him around. He'll likely hurt our draft position for next year, and I think guys like Kristaps will be better off in the long run not having him on the team.
Turn the page is the best way to put it. Even if it means buying him out we have to do it
I have to agree with you both.
I'd love to keep Melo as a 6th man but he simply wouldn't be happy in that role and would keep the toxic vibe going.
Buy him out if it comes to it. Start super fresh with these two kids.
And was just trying to humble him. And if he doesn't make anymore dumb FA signings this season then I will be a PUMPED UP KNICKS FAN , especially if they fetch something for Melo
ESPN graphic above - Knicks draft eye highest ceiling player in the draft by far
I got super high on Monk the past few weeks, but originally months ago Frank was the guy I wanted.
I absolutely was furious at first but now I'm super happy with this pick and think his upside is pretty decent. I love his attitude and all around game. Doesn't seem like he will ever be an elite scorer tho but he can be an extremely efficient one it seems along with making everyone around him better.
The Walt Clyde Frazier comparison is actually a great one.
ESPN graphic above - Knicks draft eye highest ceiling player in the draft by far
I got super high on Monk the past few weeks, but originally months ago Frank was the guy I wanted.
I absolutely was furious at first but now I'm super happy with this pick and think his upside is pretty decent. I love his attitude and all around game. Doesn't seem like he will ever be an elite scorer tho but he can be an extremely efficient one it seems along with making everyone around him better.
The Walt Clyde Frazier comparison is actually a great one.
Walt Clyde Frazier was one of the greatest PG's of all time. If this guy becomes a 1/4 of the player Frazier was we should be happy.
"Strengths: Elite size for a point guard with very good athleticism and quickness Impressive wingspan (close to 7 ft) Very mature for his age with a good basketball IQ He has a thin frame, but his body structure suggests that he can add weight and increase his muscle tone nicely A true point guard with a pass first mentality He can control the pace of the game nicely Excellent passer with great court vision He is always looking to find the open teammate He can pass on the move and also while penetrating Excels on the open court and loves to run the break Great ball handler He has a nice hesitation dribble and he has also an improving crossover dribble on his repertoire Possesses an explosive first step Really good on ISO situations thanks to his athleticism, length and excellent ball handling He can create his own shoot and score off the dribble from mid-range and has also a floater as a counter move When he has time to gather he can finish strong at the rim Improving 3-point shooter He is already very good on Pick and Roll situations as the ball handler, because he shows patience and is always looking for the right choice His body and physical tools are his biggest weapons on Defense He has great lateral quickness which helps him stay in front of his man When he is motivated on Defense he can be a lockdown defender His length and athleticism help him make a lot of steals Versatile defender with the potential to guard multiple positions in the future He has a high upside
Weaknesses: He really needs to add some muscle to his body or else he could have problems at the next level He hasnt been tested at a senior level yet His shooting release looks a little odd at times and thats the main reason he isnt a consistent shooter from long range yet He needs to become more vocal and learn when he has to take over a game At times he is too unselfish and too keen to pass the ball and as a result he looks passive He must add some aggressiveness to his game He has problems finishing through contact at the rim due to his thin body and at times he looks like he is even avoiding contact, settling for a mid-range shot He has problems against physical game He isnt always focused on defense At times he forgets to keep a low stance when he is guarding his opponent and as a result he can be crossed easily He relies too much on his length to make steals when he gets crossed, which leads to bad fouls He has problems defending the Pick and Roll, looking lost at times Stronger players can post him up
Overall: Ntilikina is undoubtedly one of the best International players of his generation. His elite physical tools and feel for the game, combined with his high upside makes him a really intriguing prospect ... He is not NBA ready just yet, but he has all the tools to become a very good player in the future ...
Notes: He was born in Belgium and he is originating from Rwanda, but he was raised in France He was a member of the France team that won the U16 European Championship in 2014 He was named French League Best Young Player in 2015/16 season ...
Isaiah Hartenstein of Germany
Sindarius Thornwell of South Carolina
John Motley of Baylor
Ike Anigbogu of UCLA
Edmond Sumner of Xavier
Monte Morris of Iowa State
Tyler Dorsey of Oregon
Jaron Blossomgame of Clemson
PJ Dozier of South Carolina
but speaking to what Deej said earlier, would have liked a guy like Thornwell. Tough as nails. A bulldog. Excellent defender. Think we need a huge culture change and Thornwell is as tough as they come
Strengths: Jaramaz is talented European PG with size and speed ... A good athlete who likes attacking the rim and tries to dunk the ball every time he has chance ... He likes pushing the ball in transition and making good passes in the open court as well ... Quick first step allows him to separate himself from defense and score ... Most effective playing fast pace and running at full speed ... If he attacks the defenders off the dribble he will most likely drive to his right and finish with right hand (feels most comfortable) ... Reads defenders well at P&R game situations and is smart enough to recognize when defenders are playing under to take 15-feet jump-shot that he feels comfortable and is very effective with ... Good passer who will find open teammates for easy shots or layups. Improved his outside shooting and is not afraid to take deep shots under the pressure ... Defensively does a good job at being active and staying in the passing lines/can pressure the ball on both G positions in defense ... Handles the ball well and doesnt turn it over (1.6 TO) ... Rebounds the ball well for his size and does a great job at following missed shots; scores numerous times on put-backs dunks and easy layups under the rim when no one is expecting ... Hard worker on the court and great kid off the floor.
Weaknesses: Jaramaz has to improve his outside shooting in order to be more effective player at the next level (this season he is shooting only 28.4% for 3) ... Must become a better decision maker on P&R situations ... His jump shot has low point of release and has to learn how to shoots it higher among other things in that area; in my opinion he has to change his shooting form in order to increase his outside percentage ... Defensively he is trying to go for too much at the times ... His age works against him some as he's already draft eligible and older than other options at the PG position ...
I mean, he could be a stash, but it's not like we're overflowing with talent at either spot
exactly - looking at PG and assuming Rose is gone - Frenchy and the Serb will be competing with Chasson Randle and Ron Baker - both of whom I like, but not exactly all-stars.
I mean, he could be a stash, but it's not like we're overflowing with talent at either spot
exactly - looking at PG and assuming Rose is gone - Frenchy and the Serb will be competing with Chasson Randle and Ron Baker - both of whom I like, but not exactly all-stars.
In theory yes, but I can see Phil Jackson wanting a veteran PG to run his beloved triangle offense, which he won't stop shoving down our throats even if it is not workable without having the best player in the game who will succeed in any offensive scheme.
In theory yes, but I can see Phil Jackson wanting a veteran PG to run his beloved triangle offense, which he won't stop shoving down our throats even if it is not workable without having the best player in the game who will succeed in any offensive scheme.
Look, I can't predict Jax any more than you can - but I see the opposite - I think he's sick of "veteran" PGs, none of whom can run the triangle or care to defend the point.
Picking 2 young Euro PGs sends that message IMO. We're not going to have a "veteran" PG this year.
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Melo cannot be on this team next season. We must turn the fucking page.
Yep. I see zero positive to having him around. He'll likely hurt our draft position for next year, and I think guys like Kristaps will be better off in the long run not having him on the team.
Turn the page is the best way to put it. Even if it means buying him out we have to do it
I couldn't agree more. If KP gets his head out of his ass. Rose is gone for sure and Melo either plays fiddle to KP or traded.
In that scenario, KP is the teams alpha and much happier as a result, he becomes the "good kid/man" again and loves NY and meets Phil next year. And Frank can bring that hard working selfless culture to the team and put Kristaps in the absolute best state mentally and on the floor.
They will grow together. They're combined ages are younger then Vince Carter.
I absolute LOVE the pick.
Monk is probly better but I like this "culture change" pick.
It's what's best as long as he can play Pg. hopefully he gets big mins as a rookie.
We should probly keep Lee now just as some sort of mentor or trade him for a better one. And sign some old fuck who was good and can teach.
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but I have to trust the Knicks' European scouts. They've done a good job.
Melo cannot be on this team next season. We must turn the fucking page.
Yep. I see zero positive to having him around. He'll likely hurt our draft position for next year, and I think guys like Kristaps will be better off in the long run not having him on the team.
Turn the page is the best way to put it. Even if it means buying him out we have to do it
I have to agree with you both.
I'd love to keep Melo as a 6th man but he simply wouldn't be happy in that role and would keep the toxic vibe going.
Buy him out if it comes to it. Start super fresh with these two kids.
ESPN graphic above - Knicks draft eye highest ceiling player in the draft by far
ESPN graphic above - Knicks draft eye highest ceiling player in the draft by far
I got super high on Monk the past few weeks, but originally months ago Frank was the guy I wanted.
I absolutely was furious at first but now I'm super happy with this pick and think his upside is pretty decent. I love his attitude and all around game. Doesn't seem like he will ever be an elite scorer tho but he can be an extremely efficient one it seems along with making everyone around him better.
The Walt Clyde Frazier comparison is actually a great one.
Some intriguing bigs like Hartenstein and Anigbogu
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ESPN graphic above - Knicks draft eye highest ceiling player in the draft by far
I got super high on Monk the past few weeks, but originally months ago Frank was the guy I wanted.
I absolutely was furious at first but now I'm super happy with this pick and think his upside is pretty decent. I love his attitude and all around game. Doesn't seem like he will ever be an elite scorer tho but he can be an extremely efficient one it seems along with making everyone around him better.
The Walt Clyde Frazier comparison is actually a great one.
Walt Clyde Frazier was one of the greatest PG's of all time. If this guy becomes a 1/4 of the player Frazier was we should be happy.
Weaknesses: He really needs to add some muscle to his body or else he could have problems at the next level He hasnt been tested at a senior level yet His shooting release looks a little odd at times and thats the main reason he isnt a consistent shooter from long range yet He needs to become more vocal and learn when he has to take over a game At times he is too unselfish and too keen to pass the ball and as a result he looks passive He must add some aggressiveness to his game He has problems finishing through contact at the rim due to his thin body and at times he looks like he is even avoiding contact, settling for a mid-range shot He has problems against physical game He isnt always focused on defense At times he forgets to keep a low stance when he is guarding his opponent and as a result he can be crossed easily He relies too much on his length to make steals when he gets crossed, which leads to bad fouls He has problems defending the Pick and Roll, looking lost at times Stronger players can post him up
Overall: Ntilikina is undoubtedly one of the best International players of his generation. His elite physical tools and feel for the game, combined with his high upside makes him a really intriguing prospect ... He is not NBA ready just yet, but he has all the tools to become a very good player in the future ...
Notes: He was born in Belgium and he is originating from Rwanda, but he was raised in France He was a member of the France team that won the U16 European Championship in 2014 He was named French League Best Young Player in 2015/16 season ...
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Isaiah Hartenstein
Semi Ojeleye
Sindarius Thornwell
John Motley
Ike Anigbogu
Ivan Rabb
Edmond Sumner
Monte Morris
Tyler Dorsey
Jaron Blossomgame
Dwyane Bacon
Jawun Evans
Isaiah Hartenstein
Semi Ojeleye
Sindarius Thornwell
John Motley
Ike Anigbogu
Ivan Rabb
Edmond Sumner
Monte Morris
Tyler Dorsey
Jaron Blossomgame
Dwyane Bacon
Jawun Evans
Forgot PJ Dozier
Spoke too soon
Isaiah Hartenstein of Germany
Sindarius Thornwell of South Carolina
John Motley of Baylor
Ike Anigbogu of UCLA
Edmond Sumner of Xavier
Monte Morris of Iowa State
Tyler Dorsey of Oregon
Jaron Blossomgame of Clemson
PJ Dozier of South Carolina
Shot 44% from 3
Jeanne? He has Morphin's Syndrome
Jerry West.
Nice pieces for a Melo deal!
Him or Blossomgame look intriguing for what is left
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Him or Blossomgame look intriguing for what is left
Agreed. Those two or PJ Dozier of South Carolina. Kobi Simmons could be a nice find for Summer League.
Unless we are going to stash French F**k, are we really going to have him waste away as our 3rd PG while he could get starting minutes in Europe?
Weaknesses: Jaramaz has to improve his outside shooting in order to be more effective player at the next level (this season he is shooting only 28.4% for 3) ... Must become a better decision maker on P&R situations ... His jump shot has low point of release and has to learn how to shoots it higher among other things in that area; in my opinion he has to change his shooting form in order to increase his outside percentage ... Defensively he is trying to go for too much at the times ... His age works against him some as he's already draft eligible and older than other options at the PG position ...
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Kid looked really good to me.
Unless we are going to stash French F**k, are we really going to have him waste away as our 3rd PG while he could get starting minutes in Europe?
He's perfect for the tank, we can give him 12-16 mins
exactly - looking at PG and assuming Rose is gone - Frenchy and the Serb will be competing with Chasson Randle and Ron Baker - both of whom I like, but not exactly all-stars.
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I mean, he could be a stash, but it's not like we're overflowing with talent at either spot
exactly - looking at PG and assuming Rose is gone - Frenchy and the Serb will be competing with Chasson Randle and Ron Baker - both of whom I like, but not exactly all-stars.
In theory yes, but I can see Phil Jackson wanting a veteran PG to run his beloved triangle offense, which he won't stop shoving down our throats even if it is not workable without having the best player in the game who will succeed in any offensive scheme.
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Look, I can't predict Jax any more than you can - but I see the opposite - I think he's sick of "veteran" PGs, none of whom can run the triangle or care to defend the point.
Picking 2 young Euro PGs sends that message IMO. We're not going to have a "veteran" PG this year.
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