Very solid draft for the Knicks. I give it a solid B. I know most of you don't love Frank, but I think we'll be very happy with what he provides long term.
Since we've beaten the Frank talk to death, I thought it would be helpful to talk about some other guys and look at the roster construction.
With their first 2nd rounder, they took Damyean Dotson.
6'6, 44% 3PT shooter, solid athlete, seems to have upside as a passer and defender. Major knocks are that he's already 23 and has limited shot creating ability. Seems like he could step into the role Justin Holiday had.
With their second 2nd, they took Ognjen Jaramaz
Seems to be a plus athlete with good size and handle, but a subpar shooter. Probably unlikely he plays in the NBA next year but who knows.
They also signed Nigel Hayes who I think has a real shot at making the team. Smart kid, good passer, rebounder, defender. Can't shoot a lick. Good 15th man, good locker room presence.
And Luke Kornet, who seems to be able to shoot and block shots, but do practically nothing else. Apparently he signed a two way contract, so they can just bring him back and forth between NYK and Westchester? I'm honestly not quite sure how these things work. It's a new rule I believe.
Here's a crack at the current depth chart:
C. Willy/Noah/KOQ/Plumlee
PF. KP/Lance/Ndour
SF. Melo/Kuz/Hayes
SG. Lee/Dotson
PG. Frank/Randle
Woof. That is one trashy NBA roster. But that's okay.
Next step has to be moving Melo imo. Rebuild around a KP/Frank/Willy core, tank, and use the next top pick they get to bring on a high profile scorer.
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Already explained my comment on KP, my frustration with that pick isn't KPs play it's the ass monkey who's shopping him around. But you're right, it's not a conversation worth having. You, and apparently a lot of other good BBI posters have a lot more faith in the Knicks than I do. Nothing would make me happier than being totally and completely wrong about the course of the Knicks.
I don't necessarily have great faith in the Knicks. I for sure don't have great faith in your logic or scouting abilities. That is all. Nothing more nothing less
No idea if he has NBA level talent. But his skill set is optimal both for the triangle and the modern NBA.
There is no way in hell KP is better than KAT, who averaged 25 pts and 12 rebounds. It is not even close right now.
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He was picked 4th and he is either the 1st or 2nd best player in that draft. Enough said.
There is no way in hell KP is better than KAT, who averaged 25 pts and 12 rebounds. It is not even close right now.
The top 10 in that draft look pretty bad already.
KAT
Russell
Okafor
KP
Hezonja
Cauley-Stein
Mudiay
Don't know about Stanley Johnson. Frank is okay. Lol at Winslow.
Anakim, Do you know where did this roster come from? It's not on the Knicks website & it doesn't have Kornet on it. I think I read Willy & Kuz were playing with national teams this summer. Don't think this is legit!
This x100.
If Frank can put up 14-5-5 with great defense and 3 pt shooting, that's an immensely valuable player.
the question with monk, will it be effecient 17 a game or is it going to be a chuckfest...
amd this is someone qho would of been thrilled with monk, if he can play the 1 he has a greater chance of being a star, at the 2 i think he is 6th man
Agree with this.
He'll be at least a semi-efficient scorer. The question is can he give you anything else. If not, how valuable is that 17 PPG really?
maybe a sign and trade of rose for rubio will happen?
maybe a sign and trade of rose for rubio will happen?
Don't the Wolves have cap room?
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rose exoects to meet with knicks before july 1st but his agent mentions that twolves are very interested also said reason trade did not go down was because they didnt want a rental in rose..
maybe a sign and trade of rose for rubio will happen?
Don't the Wolves have cap room?
yeah but why have both? and if you do sign and trade you can. add rose and still have the cap room
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rose exoects to meet with knicks before july 1st but his agent mentions that twolves are very interested also said reason trade did not go down was because they didnt want a rental in rose..
maybe a sign and trade of rose for rubio will happen?
Don't the Wolves have cap room?
yeah but why have both? and if you do sign and trade you can. add rose and still have the cap room
Why give Rubio away for free? Come on man haha be realistic.
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rose exoects to meet with knicks before july 1st but his agent mentions that twolves are very interested also said reason trade did not go down was because they didnt want a rental in rose..
maybe a sign and trade of rose for rubio will happen?
Don't the Wolves have cap room?
yeah but why have both? and if you do sign and trade you can. add rose and still have the cap room
Why give Rubio away for free? Come on man haha be realistic.
you would probably have to add a 2nd round pivk or something...
it doesnt make sense though for the wolves to have noth rubio and rose, unless it is jist roses agent to drum up interest
Too many mouths to feed if they take rose- and Rubio with all those options should be dynamic as he was in second half of the season.
Rubio would be a great get imo for knicks
Too many mouths to feed if they take rose- and Rubio with all those options should be dynamic as he was in second half of the season.
Rubio would be a great get imo for knicks
agreed doesnt make sense to add rose...
Too many mouths to feed if they take rose- and Rubio with all those options should be dynamic as he was in second half of the season.
Rubio would be a great get imo for knicks
Butler also had a successful season with rondo at point this past year, who is essentially a poor mans Rubio at this point. Spacing isn't ideal but Wiggins is a better 3 point shooter than wade and KAT (and even dieng) have range out to the 3.
Regarding resigning Rose, might good to keep him around to mentor Dotson on the NBA dating scene.
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FYI I wanted monk. But I have no evidence that he will turn out better than frank. Let's not pretend he was a guaranteed lock at 8. He fell 3 spots farther, behind a guy with questionable knee health and a team that stocked on yet another center. If you're so confident that monk is going to be better than all the guys taken ahead of them why not just wait for SL and the season to play out rather than trying to convince everyone right now through fucking New Jersey .com articles?
Regarding resigning Rose, might good to keep him around to mentor Dotson on the NBA dating scene. NJcom on Passing on Monk - ( New Window )
You are making this thread very difficult to continue reading. The constant whining about players you know absolutely nothing about is getting incredibly tedious. Can we let this play out for awhile? You couldn't pick any of these players out of a lineup. Just stop. No matter how awful the Knicks have been, I will trust their opinions over yours every single time. We get it. You think Frenchy sucks because you watched some YouTube video of him and Monk is going to the hall of fame. Because you've heard his name on Sportcenter. Can we move on now? The miserable negativity about something NONE of us know anything about is tired.
I think Monk will be more Ben Gordon than Ray Allen. More of an instant offense guy off the bench, can get by with him at the 2 if you have a taller PG to help out defensively, and has just enough play making ability to play the 1 for short stretches if needed. Another guy he reminds me of is a short JR Smith, limitless range, super athletic but has a tendency to settle for the jumper rather than use his athleticism to get to the rim.
Sorry Shock, didn't realize this was the thread where we all get together to applaud the great work of Phil Jackson. Seriously, if anyone asked me a week ago if I could round up 10 people who had faith in Jackson I would have said no way. I'll step aside now so guys can bask in the obvious unquestionable glory of this draft. See you at the Championship parade!
i am not even saying they arent going to be, but you seem so sire, why?
not one person has said frank is going to be a superstar, every person has said there is no way to tell right now...
i am not even saying they arent going to be, but you seem so sire, why?
not one person has said frank is going to be a superstar, every person has said there is no way to tell right now...
Exactly. Not one single person has claimed that without a doubt, Frank will be the better player. People just want to take a wait and see approach. The only ones talking in absolutes are the ones absolutely certain that the Knicks made the wrong choice. Then this guy makes false statements about how everyone that isn't immediately bashing the choice before seeing it play out are apparently Phil apologists and proclaiming championships. When in doubt, make shit up to fit the narrative!
Dont over think this.
Dont over think this.
haha people are joking this is going to send clyde into full retirement..
But don't you or anyone else let this get in the ranting against me for - gasp - posting an opinion on the Knicks draft in a thread about - of all things - the Knicks draft.
Now I'm happy to leave the rest of you to rub each other's backs while evaluating the latest accomplishments of this wonderful Knicks organization.
Wow. That would be a nightmare
But don't you or anyone else let this get in the ranting against me for - gasp - posting an opinion on the Knicks draft in a thread about - of all things - the Knicks draft.
Now I'm happy to leave the rest of you to rub each other's backs while evaluating the latest accomplishments of this wonderful Knicks organization.
It's been three days of you saying the same exact thing. Don't know what the point is at this juncture. Not to mention, despite Knicks threads seemingly always coming down to two extremes, theres a difference between optimism about a pick and sycophantic obedience to the will of Phil and dolan.
i think if he does bring him back, going by what he said, i think he would be the 2 guard as the slasher scorer, if knicks were closer to competing he would be a fit at that position but knicks are not ready for that yet
I'm willing to bet that you completely blasted the KP and Gomez picks. Wtf does being a foreign player have to do with a negative outlook for this franchise? You know nothing about the player. You should know that dozens and dozens of euro league players are making their mark all over the NBA. Some are dominant.
Your post is a joke.
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have locked up another 50 loss season next year. They drafted yet another foreigner that is not ready to help them win right away. Great move. We will wait for him to blossom into a back up point guard in three years while the Knicks remain in the cellar. This team is a joke.
I'm willing to bet that you completely blasted the KP and Gomez picks. Wtf does being a foreign player have to do with a negative outlook for this franchise? You know nothing about the player. You should know that dozens and dozens of euro league players are making their mark all over the NBA. Some are dominant.
Your post is a joke.
and another thing if they lose 50 games who gives a shit?
if you have a bunch of young guys growing together and buulding for the future through the draft then who cares if they lose...
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-sunday-knicks-emerge-from-2017-nba-draft-as-winners/
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-sunday-knicks-emerge-from-2017-nba-draft-as-winners/
i am introgued by dotson, i thibk the rapr allegation rrally atuck with him and he got no love in the draft process, phil supoosedly met with him yesterday...
if he can come in and shoot 40 percent from 3 and be a scorer off the bench thag would be fantastic...
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Not who I would say is any kind of Knicks home.
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-sunday-knicks-emerge-from-2017-nba-draft-as-winners/
i am introgued by dotson, i thibk the rapr allegation rrally atuck with him and he got no love in the draft process, phil supoosedly met with him yesterday...
if he can come in and shoot 40 percent from 3 and be a scorer off the bench thag would be fantastic...
Can you repeat that? In English please. Lol
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Not who I would say is any kind of Knicks home.
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-sunday-knicks-emerge-from-2017-nba-draft-as-winners/
i am introgued by dotson, i thibk the rapr allegation rrally atuck with him and he got no love in the draft process, phil supoosedly met with him yesterday...
if he can come in and shoot 40 percent from 3 and be a scorer off the bench thag would be fantastic...
Can you repeat that? In English please. Lol
lol i hate typing on my phone..
i said i am intrigued by dotson, i think the rape allegation 3 years ago stuck with him and a lot of teams did not want to touch him.
if he can shoot 40 percent from 3 and be a scorer off the bench that would be fantastic