NFT: 6/23 Knicks Thread: The Day After

Hopefully they are commited to a full rebuild. Last years brutal offseason leaves me skeptical, but at least they have their future picks.

But the future to me does not look bright. Building around KP, Willy and Frank does nothing to excite me. You don't draft someone based on how they play an offense that the president liked to you use when he was a coach. He is not the freaking coach! Phil and Rambis will be gone in 2 years and so will the triangle of it even makes it that long. We are again building a team that does not mesh well together. KP and Willy cannot be kn the court at the same time for a long period of time in today's NBA. They do not have lateral quickness to do it. KP needs to play the 5.

We need a super athletic 4, Jackson or Isaac would have been perfect, I would have tried to trade willy, #8 and absconded rounder to Orlando to get Isaac. Frank is a non athletic PG who will not be able to guard PGs in this league and he won't be able to break them down either.

On top of it no free agent wants to play in New York and we are stuck with Noah and Lance Thomas for another 3 years. There is a legit chance of losing KP in 3 years because this team will still be awful then. And he is definitely injury prone.

The best thing the day after is what didn't happen, in trading Porzingis. I don't think either of the 2nd round picks will amount to much.

In terms of Frenchy, none of us have seen him play. It's all projection. He doesn't have the same kind of potential projection Porzingis had. At best I think he's a serviceable PG. But the experts that broke him down and scouts that saw him play didn't seem to inspire confidence in me he's a foundation or cornerstone player.

that I preferred Monk but would be fine if the scouts like Frank. It's a fine pick. Lets not pretend that Monk was a top 3 talent -- he kept sliding after we picked. I had already cooled on Smith because of the medicals.

What I notice in the Frank writeups are efficiency, shooting, length, ball movement, gym rat, and winner. Uhh, isnt that the modern NBA to a T? Are the Warriors great because Curry, Thompson, and Green are the best athletes? People crap on his athleticism, but he's very athletic. He just doesnt have that sudden burst first step of the great scoring guard. I suspect it's something you cant pick up at age 18 -- you have it or you dont.

So he wont be Kyrie. If KP is hitting his potential (superstar), Willie is tracking as a better rebounding/scoring, less defensive Gasol, and Frank looked like Batum but a 1/2, and we get a high pick next year, then we can acquire a get to the rim scoring guard.

Lack of sudden burst first step I think is a deal breaker in today's NBA at PG. I can leave that he is not going to be John Wall or Kyrie Irving offensively, but I cannot see how he can defend such players in the NBA. There just isn't anything that screams all star about any part of his game. I don't see Batum who at least is elite defensively. He reminds me of a Courtney Lee of PG's.

I don't get why we re-write history just to make points.

goes against what most people are saying. I don't think anyone on bbi has a clue about this kid, how can you? There is added risk being an international player and so young, but he has the tools. Give the kid a chance.
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talked up Kornet pre-draft. He's a Novak type, could be a solid find for "free" but that's his upside

-Funny Hayes signed with the Knicks after trashing NYC lol

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goes against what most people are saying. I don't think anyone on bbi has a clue about this kid, how can you? There is added risk being an international player and so young, but he has the tools. Give the kid a chance. NBAdraft.net - ( New Window )

No longer looking to dump on a new Knick but NBAdraft.net is known as a trash site and not in line with the rest of "the world".

doesn't sound like an NBA player to me. Already almost 22, poor shooter, DX said

"Jaramaz's value as a prospect is based largely in his ability to turn the corner and attack gaps to get to the rim in the half court. A fearless penetrator with a strong first step and frame, Jaramaz has been producing highlight material in the open court in the Adriatic league for quite some time, but just shot 47% around the rim in the half court this season, due in large part to his questionable decision-making. Lacking a natural feel for picking and choosing his spots and forcing the issue badly at times, the 21-year old guard has some interesting tools, but also plenty of things to work on as a scorer. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ognjen-Jaramaz-66867/ �DraftExpress"

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goes against what most people are saying. I don't think anyone on bbi has a clue about this kid, how can you? There is added risk being an international player and so young, but he has the tools. Give the kid a chance. NBAdraft.net - ( New Window )

Not to mention he's 18 and probably hasn't peaked athletically.

also only has 6'5.5 wingspan. I mean what can you expect that late in the draft but just doesn't sound very interesting. I'd leave him in Europe and let him play big minutes

They say he's a high floor prospect although a bit raw at his age. They say he's destined for a long career and he has a lot of quality nba skills. What I'm reading doesn't jive with bbi'ers opinions.

I hope I am proven wrong about French F**k, but if we were looking in that direction I would have preferred to stockpile picks from a team like Portland who didn't have the roster spots for all of their draft picks

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His first step is slow. His handle is loose. He can�t handle pressure.

The article is mostly complimentary of him so, yes, I did cherry pick a couple of negative comments but this guy has me wondering. Is this guy even a PG? Is he a big PG or is just a small 3?
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But Melo needs to be traded this offseason.

Porzingas wont be traded now, he is locked up for 3 years. Things can change about how he feels, what he thinks. Ewing went through similar things early in his career as well.

We have a Porzingas, who is could potentially be a franchise player in the mold of Dirk Nowitizki.

The best possible thing you can do for such a player is to get them a Point Guard.

Obviously we do not know exactly what Frank Ntlikina is, but we know he plays excellent defense and is a very hard worker. he is very athletic. he is very tall and very long. This are attributes the knicks have lacked for years.

Most importantly this combo is 21 years old and 18 years old. They are locked up for the next 3 years.

Second most important fact is the Knicks have all of their first round picks for the first time in a very long time and these will be very high picks for he next 2-3 years to acquire more additional talent or potential stars.

The Knicks are tracking at building a contender in 5 years, which will be past the LeBron James and Golden State Warriors teams.

The Knicks must rid themselves of Carmelo Anthony, They cannot win now. He doesnt have the right attitude for a rebuild and he will hurt their draft position for no reason.

I personally dont think it matters what they acquire for him but rather that they do not take on any long term damaging contracts that prevent them from acquiring players they will need in years 2-5 of this rebuild.

Hopefully he is traded for guys whose contracts expire no later than 2019 or 2020.

the Knicks should under no circumstances bring back Derrick Rose. They will unfortunately have to eat Joakim Noah's contract as no one will take that.

The Knicks do have some money this offseason as well to spend and I hope they use it to acquire a player like Otto Porter, Dion Waiters, Nerlens Noel, kentavius caldwell-pope. Etc. i.e. Guys who are 23-25 and can be contributors role players at 27-29 when this team is ready to compete.

The knicks have 19 mil available in free agency and whatever they can free up in trades. Lets hope they use it on young guys to support Porzingas and Ntilikina and build a new young core. That's the way forward.

had Dotson on my radar after reading a "sleeper" article on DX. He's an energy off the bench type. His value will come in his willingness to use his length on defense and run the court. Limited upside but has a shot to be a rotation stalwart. I would assume the Knicks researched the sexual assault accusations... or I'd hope so.

but i dont hate it. Really the only thing i dont like is that he supposedly doesnt really have HR upside. When you are picking 8 you are hoping to at least get a guy you can dream on. Im not saying you cant on frank, but most of the experts seem to think his upside is good starter (not that there is anything wrong with that). And Frank was pretty much a lock lottery pick so its not like the knicks reached on some guy that most had pegged to go 20th or something.

I like his shooting, size, and defense. Those are solid traits for a PG. And at worst maybe he becomes your SG. Either way im excited to see him and really only wanted Monk instead of him.

But I kind of like that he is one of the youngest and is already playing with men in Europe.

I think our 2nd pick can hit 3s.....

I hoole for the best....

The bigger issue....is the NBA.
No one is besting the Warriors...any time soon

i didnt really follow any of those signings outside of the Knicks.

But also think he has a lower floor than Frank. After watching his videos on draft express and reading up on him more I am really liking the George Hill comps. He seems like he will come in and play efficient offense, shoot 40% from 3, and projects as one of the top defensive PGs in the game. I think worst case scenario is he ends up as a better shooting Shaun Livingston which is still a damn good player.

The criticism of the pick because of the perception that he "was chosen because of his fit in the triangle" is ridiculous. It's not like he was the 15th rated prospect and they reached to take him, there were rumblings before the draft that Dallas was going to move up to get him, and if we had taken Smith then it's likely Frank would have gone 9. He was ranked right around where he was selected.

He's 18 and played in Europe. Physically, he's very advanced at a young age. He's mature, he understands the game and he's a willing, hardworking defender. He lacks burst with the ball in his hands, that seems to be the only knock that he can't fix. You can make up for that in other ways.

and ive def seen it a few places. But he could have a nice advantage over hill in that he is 3 inches tall and has over a 7ft wingspan. Not only will that help him on D, but also the extra height will help him shoot over smaller guards.

which is ok for this team. Let him, Willy and KP grow together. We should get another top prospect next year and then we will really know what our future looks like. Phil deserves to be criticized for some of the things he's done, but you can't look past the fact that we have a much brighter future at this point than we have in the past 15 years. Willy, KP, Frank, our pick next year with only 1 brutal contract on the books. It's really not that bad in NY.

In comment 13509023 Enzo said:

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Quote: His first step is slow. His handle is loose. He can�t handle pressure. The article is mostly complimentary of him so, yes, I did cherry pick a couple of negative comments but this guy has me wondering. Is this guy even a PG? Is he a big PG or is just a small 3? Link - ( New Window )

i think to start he will be more of a 2 who plays some point unless they just throw hik into the fire...

his handle is not as bad as people say but it definitely needs work..

this is going to sound bad but he may not explosive or have that quick burst first step but he is smooth, i know i know

two man game with him and kp could be fun down the road

is not a bad thing... if you can get that with the 8th pick in any draft you take it in run. I know people love hearing comps to HOF players or all NBA guys... but he is 18, has a jumper, and defends. I liked Monk but others passed on him too.

With the pick, I wanted Monk but it is what it is. Kid has talent and a very good work ethic. I still would like to flip Lee for Rubio but who knows what Phil is thinking.

In comment 13509042 TommyWiseau said:

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With the pick, I wanted Monk but it is what it is. Kid has talent and a very good work ethic. I still would like to flip Lee for Rubio but who knows what Phil is thinking.

rubio isnt going anywhere now.

- don't hate the pick but defintiely would have preferred Monk or DSJ. I was really warming to Monk. But I just hope they made the pick for the best player and not for the player who best fit the system/triangle.
-How do the Warriors end up with Jordan Bell for strictly cash. That one hurts. Would have loved to see the Knicks do that deal. Sad to say , but outside of KP/Frank, Golden State has more promising young prospects than the Knicks.

- love the Butler trade for Minny. No brainer for Thibs. Hate the return for the Bulls. I never understood why they were in such a rush to trade Jimmy. And why are they selling Jordan Bell for 3.5 million. They really need the cash?
- those reports about Lebron and Cavs telling Butler to come were complete bullshit. He simply wanted to stay elibigle for the super max which he lost when traded.

All in all not a bad night for the Knicks. Just hope they sign a placeholder vet PG and not Drose.

that every time they go theough the picks they praise eveey pick and then they go look at the knicks drafting for the system, idiots and then move on...no comment on the player..

wilbon last night after the pick, knicks are irrelevant who cares who they pick...

Must have some personal connection to Kornet prefacing his praise with "I might be biased but...." but 7'1 with 3 point range, he has a shots it well from deep. A one trick pony he has some rim protection ability as well. Not a bad guy to have in camp. Ignoring Frenchy for a moment none of the other guys have huge upside but I'd much prefer watching young hungry players than what we've run out there

not going to play for national team coming back as soon as the championship game is over

In comment 13509055 nygiants16 said:

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not going to play for national team coming back as soon as the championship game is over

That's good to hear. Now there is something to look forward to as far as summer league this year. Any word yet on who else will be playing?

Is a terrific guy. His shot actually deteriorated over time, so you never know.

Excellent inside. As a passer and on D. (you don't see the floor at Wisconsin if you don't play D and don't take care of the ball)

If he makes it, NYC would be great for him. Very intelligent and politically committed.

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that every time they go theough the picks they praise eveey pick and then they go look at the knicks drafting for the system, idiots and then move on...no comment on the player.. wilbon last night after the pick, knicks are irrelevant who cares who they pick...

They spent plenty of time talking about the Knicks, mostly bashing them (rightly so) for the circus pre-pick, but afterwards they discussed Frank as much as most other picks. They had Fran on to discuss his strengths/weaknesses.

but as long as KP wasn't traded I can deal. I think it's imperative we're top 3 pick bad this next season. I think FN, given makeup, length, and shooting, has a decent shot at becoming a quality starter. We're going to need another star. The aim should be getting that star next year and letting this core develop over the next 3-4 years and looking to contend then.

In comment 13509063 Ash_3 said:

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but as long as KP wasn't traded I can deal. I think it's imperative we're top 3 pick bad this next season. I think FN, given makeup, length, and shooting, has a decent shot at becoming a quality starter. We're going to need another star. The aim should be getting that star next year and letting this core develop over the next 3-4 years and looking to contend then.

This. Need to trade Melo ASAP and avoid bringing in any vets. Let Willy/KP/FN develop this year and if they lose, they lose.

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In comment 13509052 nygiants16 said:

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that every time they go theough the picks they praise eveey pick and then they go look at the knicks drafting for the system, idiots and then move on...no comment on the player.. wilbon last night after the pick, knicks are irrelevant who cares who they pick...

I thought Wilson was embarrassing last night. "It's no longer a guard league it's all about wings". What is he talking about?

Bilas and Reece Davis were good but everything else was bad on espn.

What the hell is Phil's obsession with Rose? Frenchy isn't ready to play major NBA minutes which means Rose coming back would =he's the starter with big minutes (not to mention not the type of player I want FN emulating. Move on, F Rose) #SergioRodriguezPerfectFit

I get the rebuild but Frank (maybe a nice piece), Willy & KP doesn't sound like a championship (and that's what we play for) foundation. I agree on KP but now you have your 4th and 5th piece. That's the easy part. The hard part is finding the next two of your top three. Yes those pieces can come 4 years from now so a major tank like Filthy is in order. It will be tough to watch and be patient. Why can't we just have an unlimited cap? (Grin).

got for Butler the Clips Austin Rivers and 2 future firsts type deal is starting to look like what we can expect for Melo. Now that Butler is off the market and George is so adamant about LA maybe we will start to get at least a melo rumor again.

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In comment 13509052 nygiants16 said: Quote: that every time they go theough the picks they praise eveey pick and then they go look at the knicks drafting for the system, idiots and then move on...no comment on the player.. wilbon last night after the pick, knicks are irrelevant who cares who they pick... I thought Wilson was embarrassing last night. "It's no longer a guard league it's all about wings". What is he talking about? Bilas and Reece Davis were good but everything else was bad on espn.

i think he was bitter because his team has no direction and made a horrible trade

In comment 13509073 DanMetroMan said:

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What the hell is Phil's obsession with Rose? Frenchy isn't ready to play major NBA minutes which means Rose coming back would =he's the starter with big minutes (not to mention not the type of player I want FN emulating. Move on, F Rose) #SergioRodriguezPerfectFit

dont be surprised if they resign rose, last night he was asked about rose and he said "we are listening"

Im not going to fault the knicks for only having KP, Frank, and WH. You have to start somewhere. Its not like if they took Monk you would be guaranteeing they already have 2 of the top 3 players they need to win a title. Get good young players, add assets, and hope.

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got for Butler the Clips Austin Rivers and 2 future firsts type deal is starting to look like what we can expect for Melo. Now that Butler is off the market and George is so adamant about LA maybe we will start to get at least a melo rumor again.

what about minnesota? he is in paris with butler, maybe he can convince him to come to minny

Monk really thought the Knicks were taking him.

�I wanted Malik in New York because I thought he would light it up. It would be back on,� Calipari said on ESPN�s draft set. �But they must�ve liked the French kid. I�ve not seen him enough, but I hear he�s really good.�

In comment 13509079 Italianju said:

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Im not going to fault the knicks for only having KP, Frank, and WH. You have to start somewhere. Its not like if they took Monk you would be guaranteeing they already have 2 of the top 3 players they need to win a title. Get good young players, add assets, and hope.

it is a lot of luck to, have to hit on later picks, look at spurs and warriors as examples...

it is not just about getting the number 1 pick, if you can hit on some late picks you can move quicker, ypu dont it is going to take time...

you also have to hope they repair their relationship with kp and kp ahows enough where an established player wants to come join him

would MINN want Melo? Can they convince him to be the 6th man? Do you want him starting at PF with KAT at C?

Plus after the butler trade im not sure how many more assets MINN would want to give up.

Melo to Sota actually makes a lot of basketball sense but I'm not sure what they would give up. Can they still trade Pekovic's contract?

Also does having Butler now rule them out on DRose? Didn't those 2 butt heads when in Chicago?

Would be an awful move. Let's just ignore his total lack of chemistry with KP. Sergio is a solid ball distributor who can be had on the cheap and the bonus of being friendly with KP and Willy

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would MINN want Melo? Can they convince him to be the 6th man? Do you want him starting at PF with KAT at C? Plus after the butler trade im not sure how many more assets MINN would want to give up.

i dont know, just a though, i just dont want clippers or cavs crap

In comment 13509091 DanMetroMan said:

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Would be an awful move. Let's just ignore his total lack of chemistry with KP. Sergio is a solid ball distributor who can be had on the cheap and the bonus of being friendly with KP and Willy

dan it is happebing i am sorry to tell you but you know it is, deep down inside you know it is...

In comment 13509052 nygiants16 said:

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that every time they go theough the picks they praise eveey pick and then they go look at the knicks drafting for the system, idiots and then move on...no comment on the player.. wilbon last night after the pick, knicks are irrelevant who cares who they pick...

Yep, I've been screaming this for the past week. This is the result of how the Knick PR department treats the Media. Every story is blown out of proportion and it's always piling on.

Advocated for Rose as a 6th man if we took a PG ready to step in, Frank is not that. Can someone really make a good argument for keeping Rose as the PG? I'd love to hear it

Could melo still be on their radar? Melo and KOQ for RoLo, Rondo (who can be cut), Payne and Valentine.

Wade is still in Chicago, they got Lavine, Dunn and Markannen for butler. Melo can step in Butlers role and Foreman can keep competing for the 8 seed like he always wants to.

not a shot at Keith for the record. I just think "everyone" realizes Frank is not ready to step in and play 25-30 minutes right out of the gate so the Knicks will be adding a "starting" PG. Does anyone think that should be Derrick Rose? Really? Again I posted this yesterday but Rubio passed the ball to KAT, TWICE as many times as Rose to KP... TWICE!!!

In comment 13509097 DanMetroMan said:

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Advocated for Rose as a 6th man if we took a PG ready to step in, Frank is not that. Can someone really make a good argument for keeping Rose as the PG? I'd love to hear it

nope lol but i am going to laugh at how much this board explodes when he is resigned...

phil thiugh did mention last night how he wants to grow a team together of young guys, so we will see

I believe Minnesota can clear pek's contract off the books for medical reasons. Which would give them max cap room to go after someone like Blake or Millsap. Also the only player they can really offer for Melo is Dieng and I wouldn't do that. Don't want that contract on the books.

In comment 13509103 DanMetroMan said:

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not a shot at Keith for the record. I just think "everyone" realizes Frank is not ready to step in and play 25-30 minutes right out of the gate so the Knicks will be adding a "starting" PG. Does anyone think that should be Derrick Rose? Really? Again I posted this yesterday but Rubio passed the ball to KAT, TWICE as many times as Rose to KP... TWICE!!!

No. He's the last guy I want mentoring Frank. Also I know he's probably not ready, but I wouldn't mind him taking his lumps and getting reps. But I agree Sergio would be a nice signing.

as the starting PG. For me, it's a 6th man on a 1 year deal or else I'm not interested. That's if his medical checks out.

In comment 13509102 giantsfan44ab said:

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Could melo still be on their radar? Melo and KOQ for RoLo, Rondo (who can be cut), Payne and Valentine. Wade is still in Chicago, they got Lavine, Dunn and Markannen for butler. Melo can step in Butlers role and Foreman can keep competing for the 8 seed like he always wants to.

i am shovked wade is still picking up his option, that team is going to be horrible...

because what choice do I have? Seems like a Ron Harper type based on what I've read about him. I just pray he was drafted for his abilities and not for his fit in the fucking triangle.

But I can't believe how garbage this roster is. I defend Melo more than most but I really hope we can trade him and start tanking for a crack at Michael Porter, Jr.

obviously frank is the future at point but he can play off the ball to which may end up being his best position...

i qish they coild still get rubio bit i doubt the wolves trade him now unless they really do want rose

have locked up another 50 loss season next year. They drafted yet another foreigner that is not ready to help them win right away. Great move. We will wait for him to blossom into a back up point guard in three years while the Knicks remain in the cellar. This team is a joke.

In comment 13509109 TyreeHelmet said:

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In comment 13509103 DanMetroMan said: Quote: not a shot at Keith for the record. I just think "everyone" realizes Frank is not ready to step in and play 25-30 minutes right out of the gate so the Knicks will be adding a "starting" PG. Does anyone think that should be Derrick Rose? Really? Again I posted this yesterday but Rubio passed the ball to KAT, TWICE as many times as Rose to KP... TWICE!!! No. He's the last guy I want mentoring Frank. Also I know he's probably not ready, but I wouldn't mind him taking his lumps and getting reps. But I agree Sergio would be a nice signing.

I'm sure he will play but realistically (and this isn't a shot at him) he's just not ready to play 28-30 minutes right off the bat. I saw at least 3 games and while his length stood out he's underdeveloped (especially his lower half). Even if he surprises and plays 20 minutes per night you still have a ton of minutes for "someone" else. I'd like it to be a consummate professional, someone who helps KP/Willy (and maybe Frank himself) and someone we can reduce the role of later in the season without a big storyline. I've advocated for Sergio Rodriguz for a while now and still think he's close to perfect for us.

In comment 13509114 nygiants16 said:

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obviously frank is the future at point but he can play off the ball to which may end up being his best position... i qish they coild still get rubio bit i doubt the wolves trade him now unless they really do want rose

He wants MAJOR money and Fran (who licks the balls of all euros) said he was an AWFUL defensive player (called him the best passer in the world).

In comment 13509111 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 13509102 giantsfan44ab said: Quote: Could melo still be on their radar? Melo and KOQ for RoLo, Rondo (who can be cut), Payne and Valentine. Wade is still in Chicago, they got Lavine, Dunn and Markannen for butler. Melo can step in Butlers role and Foreman can keep competing for the 8 seed like he always wants to. i am shovked wade is still picking up his option, that team is going to be horrible...

Its not going to be great but if lavine comes back healthy and continues his growth, markannen provides floor spacing and Dunn gives them anything they can still be in the running for a playoff spot. Although Miami would be a better team if melo went there.

would be such a mistake unless the goal was to tank. Not only did he tear his knee again, but he has no commitment to defense and is only okay on offense since he doesn't space the floor or look to be a facilitator.

The Knicks need PGs right now who aren't good enough for the Knicks to win, but are looking to improve, mature, and be facilitators to help improve the other young players and develop chemistry for the future.

And I also preferred Monk. It seems the Knicks like Frank the most, and were pretty clear all along that they'd pick him. Hope he grows into a good player.

In comment 13509118 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13509114 nygiants16 said: Quote: obviously frank is the future at point but he can play off the ball to which may end up being his best position... i qish they coild still get rubio bit i doubt the wolves trade him now unless they really do want rose He wants MAJOR money and Fran (who licks the balls of all euros) said he was an AWFUL defensive player (called him the best passer in the world).

yeah i dont know much about him, i just have heard you mebtion him a lot...

In comment 13509119 giantsfan44ab said:

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In comment 13509111 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 13509102 giantsfan44ab said: Quote: Could melo still be on their radar? Melo and KOQ for RoLo, Rondo (who can be cut), Payne and Valentine. Wade is still in Chicago, they got Lavine, Dunn and Markannen for butler. Melo can step in Butlers role and Foreman can keep competing for the 8 seed like he always wants to. i am shovked wade is still picking up his option, that team is going to be horrible... Its not going to be great but if lavine comes back healthy and continues his growth, markannen provides floor spacing and Dunn gives them anything they can still be in the running for a playoff spot. Although Miami would be a better team if melo went there.

markannen is steve novak, dude does nothing but shoot...

i like lavine i think hebis a good piece...

the problem with dunn is he was an older rookie who was supposed to be able to come in right away and at least provide good defense and he was benched by thibs for poor defense...

In that if they can get another piece in FA they could be somewhat competitive with the warriors and arguably a top 3 team?

Butler and KAT could both legitimately be top 10 players. If they land Blake Griffin or Milsap they add another top 20-ish player and wiggins could very well develop into one too. Wouldn't take them over the warriors but they match up extremely well.

Butler on KD, milsap on draymlnd. What answer do the warriors have for KAT?

In comment 13509123 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 13509118 DanMetroMan said: Quote: In comment 13509114 nygiants16 said: Quote: obviously frank is the future at point but he can play off the ball to which may end up being his best position... i qish they coild still get rubio bit i doubt the wolves trade him now unless they really do want rose He wants MAJOR money and Fran (who licks the balls of all euros) said he was an AWFUL defensive player (called him the best passer in the world). yeah i dont know much about him, i just have heard you mebtion him a lot...

Trust me I've been monitoring him ever since Austin Green talked him up (I think he's the best euro writer) and then Fran called him "the best passer in the world, including the NBA" but said he's absolutely awful defensively. If he were cheap sure but he's going to get his money.

believe this kid went undrafted, I'd love to give him a look
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connection would make Melo consider CHA. He would actually be a descent fit on that team as he can take some of the scoring load of Kemba's shoulders. Batum/MKG dont need the ball to succeed so they still fit (although for salary purposes MKG might be in a deal). They dont have a ton of young assets unless they would move Monk (how awesome would that be) but they have some and they have all of their picks moving forward

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connection would make Melo consider CHA. He would actually be a descent fit on that team as he can take some of the scoring load of Kemba's shoulders. Batum/MKG dont need the ball to succeed so they still fit (although for salary purposes MKG might be in a deal). They dont have a ton of young assets unless they would move Monk (how awesome would that be) but they have some and they have all of their picks moving forward

I was saying I'd take Lamb, MKG, Zeller and whoever they take 31 for Melo.

In comment 13509130 DanMetroMan said:

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believe this kid went undrafted, I'd love to give him a look Link - ( New Window )

PG (Brazil) George De Paula - signed by the Wizards I believe

Someone help me. What exactly do they mean saying he's a fit for the triangle? I keep hearing/reading it. Don't know what is meant.

In comment 13509133 mavric said:

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In comment 13509130 DanMetroMan said: Quote: believe this kid went undrafted, I'd love to give him a look Link - ( New Window ) PG (Brazil) George De Paula - signed by the Wizards I believe

Thanks Mavric. I admittedly only heard of him yesterday, not really on my radar, just didn't see his name drafted.

In comment 13509135 Csonka said:

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Someone help me. What exactly do they mean saying he's a fit for the triangle? I keep hearing/reading it. Don't know what is meant.

it is a buzzword foe the media to create more clicks

that makes him able to pass over people or some shit. That is what i kept hearing the most in reference to him and the triangle.

In comment 13509126 giantsfan44ab said:

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In that if they can get another piece in FA they could be somewhat competitive with the warriors and arguably a top 3 team? Butler and KAT could both legitimately be top 10 players. If they land Blake Griffin or Milsap they add another top 20-ish player and wiggins could very well develop into one too. Wouldn't take them over the warriors but they match up extremely well. Butler on KD, milsap on draymlnd. What answer do the warriors have for KAT?

CP3 would fit nicely there too!

CP3
Butler
Wiggins
KAT
whoever

would be awesome defensively with Thibs coaching them.

for the Knicks and I just can't see it.

Not to kill the pick but every single person I've heard who has scouted this kid stops short of superstar or even all-star and the best case scenario you hear is "solid starter". That won't get you very far in the NBA. Teams like the Raptors, Hawks, Grizzlies, etc. (just to name a few) have lots of solid starters and no hope of winning anything.

It's frustrating to suck so bad and still not have a shot at the top of this year's class. That is obviously now the big fear as we watch the rest of the offseason plan unfold. We better get rid of Rose, Melo and Lee. Picking 8th is the fast track to nowhere. We need a top 3 pick.

In comment 13509141 Italianju said:

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that makes him able to pass over people or some shit. That is what i kept hearing the most in reference to him and the triangle.

I thought it was more about:
1. He can shoot
2. High BBIQ
3. He's good at moving the ball
4. Has the size/ability to play either G spot

In comment 13509135 Csonka said:

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Someone help me. What exactly do they mean saying he's a fit for the triangle? I keep hearing/reading it. Don't know what is meant.

He has good vision, smart ball player that understands spacing, can shoot(should get better).

In comment 13509135 Csonka said:

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Someone help me. What exactly do they mean saying he's a fit for the triangle? I keep hearing/reading it. Don't know what is meant.

The point guard doesn't control the ball as much in the triangle because the system encourages ball movement. So a PG needs off the ball skills in the triangle.

In comment 13509117 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13509109 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: In comment 13509103 DanMetroMan said: Quote: not a shot at Keith for the record. I just think "everyone" realizes Frank is not ready to step in and play 25-30 minutes right out of the gate so the Knicks will be adding a "starting" PG. Does anyone think that should be Derrick Rose? Really? Again I posted this yesterday but Rubio passed the ball to KAT, TWICE as many times as Rose to KP... TWICE!!! No. He's the last guy I want mentoring Frank. Also I know he's probably not ready, but I wouldn't mind him taking his lumps and getting reps. But I agree Sergio would be a nice signing. I'm sure he will play but realistically (and this isn't a shot at him) he's just not ready to play 28-30 minutes right off the bat. I saw at least 3 games and while his length stood out he's underdeveloped (especially his lower half). Even if he surprises and plays 20 minutes per night you still have a ton of minutes for "someone" else. I'd like it to be a consummate professional, someone who helps KP/Willy (and maybe Frank himself) and someone we can reduce the role of later in the season without a big storyline. I've advocated for Sergio Rodriguz for a while now and still think he's close to perfect for us.

I was really hoping for Frank Mason in the 2nd round. Little more "NBA ready" and just really like him as a player.

Unrelated but the word is the mavs want jrue holiday to pair with DSJ. They could actually build a nice team.

In comment 13509144 giants#1 said:

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In comment 13509141 Italianju said: Quote: that makes him able to pass over people or some shit. That is what i kept hearing the most in reference to him and the triangle. I thought it was more about: 1. He can shoot 2. High BBIQ 3. He's good at moving the ball 4. Has the size/ability to play either G spot

and yet the media makes it out to be a bad thing..

some dumbass on espn radio this morning goes, they passed on smith why because he doesnt fit the triangle so they took some french kid...seeiously?

In comment 13509143 Chris684 said:

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for the Knicks and I just can't see it. Not to kill the pick but every single person I've heard who has scouted this kid stops short of superstar or even all-star and the best case scenario you hear is "solid starter". That won't get you very far in the NBA. Teams like the Raptors, Hawks, Grizzlies, etc. (just to name a few) have lots of solid starters and no hope of winning anything. It's frustrating to suck so bad and still not have a shot at the top of this year's class. That is obviously now the big fear as we watch the rest of the offseason plan unfold. We better get rid of Rose, Melo and Lee. Picking 8th is the fast track to nowhere. We need a top 3 pick.

Part of the problem is that they 'sucked' but they weren't epicly bad like the Nets/Sixers (the dysfunction is another story). So they ended up with a mid-lottery pick and didn't really have a shot at the 'elite' prospects.

That's why they need to deal Melo and avoid signing any significant vets. The goals for 2018 should be:
1. Develop KP as the primary option
2. Acclimate FN to the NBA
3. Get as high a pick in the 2018 draft as possible

In comment 13509152 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 13509144 giants#1 said: Quote: In comment 13509141 Italianju said: Quote: that makes him able to pass over people or some shit. That is what i kept hearing the most in reference to him and the triangle. I thought it was more about: 1. He can shoot 2. High BBIQ 3. He's good at moving the ball 4. Has the size/ability to play either G spot and yet the media makes it out to be a bad thing.. some dumbass on espn radio this morning goes, they passed on smith why because he doesnt fit the triangle so they took some french kid...seeiously?

To be fair, the media mocks the Knicks for wanting to run the triangle. Not because FN has some of the skills mentioned.

wouldn't bring back Rose OR Holiday. Dotson can replicate much of what Holiday did. I'd love to see the Knicks give "no names" a shot. Mine the league/G league for talent. Holiday is a solid player but don't lock yourself into more Lance Thomas deals. Those types can always be added.

In comment 13509155 giants#1 said:

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In comment 13509152 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 13509144 giants#1 said: Quote: In comment 13509141 Italianju said: Quote: that makes him able to pass over people or some shit. That is what i kept hearing the most in reference to him and the triangle. I thought it was more about: 1. He can shoot 2. High BBIQ 3. He's good at moving the ball 4. Has the size/ability to play either G spot and yet the media makes it out to be a bad thing.. some dumbass on espn radio this morning goes, they passed on smith why because he doesnt fit the triangle so they took some french kid...seeiously? To be fair, the media mocks the Knicks for wanting to run the triangle. Not because FN has some of the skills mentioned.

last night they mocjed the knicks

they mocked the knicks for ending the run of freshman

That do not know much about the player but knows Jackson

If they dump Melo, absolutely. If Melo and Lee are back next season, with KP and Willy taking a step forward, we'll be in the 8-10 range yet again.

added Collins (obviously not getting him) and Swanigan... really wish we could sell Melo on Portland:(

I think he's going to be great. I haven't seen much of Ntiklina so we'll see.

the Knicks have Bird rights on Derrick Rose? Not sure how it works anymore since the new CBA. I saw Bobby Marks tweet last night saying after the draft the Knicks have about 14 mil in Cap space so I figure that means we cant do much long term damage by signing some Jrue Holliday type or Rose, but wasnt sure if there are any bird rights that would mean they could go over the 14 mil to retain him. I would have serious doubts that Rose would be the one and only signing of the off-season and take up every last dollar the Knicks had to spend.

In comment 13509159 nygiants16 said:

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last night they mocjed the knicks

Everyone's mocking the Knicks now and why shouldn't they with the FO circus?

In comment 13509184 Steve in Greenwich said:

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the Knicks have Bird rights on Derrick Rose? Not sure how it works anymore since the new CBA. I saw Bobby Marks tweet last night saying after the draft the Knicks have about 14 mil in Cap space so I figure that means we cant do much long term damage by signing some Jrue Holliday type or Rose, but wasnt sure if there are any bird rights that would mean they could go over the 14 mil to retain him. I would have serious doubts that Rose would be the one and only signing of the off-season and take up every last dollar the Knicks had to spend.

We do have Rose's bird rights. Would be an idiotic move

In comment 13509169 bceagle05 said:

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If they dump Melo, absolutely. If Melo and Lee are back next season, with KP and Willy taking a step forward, we'll be in the 8-10 range yet again.

I think our guard play is going to be horrendous without Rose (it was already bad with him) and if we trade Melo, we won't have his occasional 30+ pt. performances that can pad a losing record.

didn't see him play in any of the Strasbourg games I watched but apparently Labeyrie plays in the same league. He had a decent season, might as well have him come over for summer league.

In comment 13509192 Ash_3 said:

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In comment 13509169 bceagle05 said: Quote: If they dump Melo, absolutely. If Melo and Lee are back next season, with KP and Willy taking a step forward, we'll be in the 8-10 range yet again. I think our guard play is going to be horrendous without Rose (it was already bad with him) and if we trade Melo, we won't have his occasional 30+ pt. performances that can pad a losing record.

I think his point was that with Melo, they probably have enough for 25-30 wins or more if KP/Willy make significant jumps.

So we can't count on a top lotto pick until Melo is dealt (if he even is).

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I think our guard play is going to be horrendous without Rose (it was already bad with him) and if we trade Melo, we won't have his occasional 30+ pt. performances that can pad a losing record. [

Ummm... good?

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In comment 13509192 Ash_3 said: Quote: I think our guard play is going to be horrendous without Rose (it was already bad with him) and if we trade Melo, we won't have his occasional 30+ pt. performances that can pad a losing record. [ Ummm... good?

I was responding to an earlier post, Jim.

or are the Knicks not looking to move him? I fail to see how he fits into the picture here. Will he have some value by the deadline? I have to figure he can net a 1st rounder from a playoff contender(15-20).

Move Melo and we are in a very good spot. I understand the negativity around the team and management, but if you can move Melo(without even getting anything significant), the future is very bright. 2 quality young bigs that are cost controlled, an 18 year old PG with room to grow, our first rounder next year and possibly an asset or two to move for more picks. Only way I keep Melo is if he blocks every trade and then I'd make him a bench player.

I do believe that Rose could be valuable as a 6th man, but not now. He just does not fit, especially next to KP. I'm not as doom and gloom as most. This season should be fun watching the young kids progress(if Melo isn't there). We should get a top 10 pick next year, possibly better. I'm excited for the potential as long as management doesn't make any bad decisions this offseason.

In comment 13509218 Keith said:

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or are the Knicks not looking to move him? I fail to see how he fits into the picture here. Will he have some value by the deadline? I have to figure he can net a 1st rounder from a playoff contender(15-20). Move Melo and we are in a very good spot. I understand the negativity around the team and management, but if you can move Melo(without even getting anything significant), the future is very bright. 2 quality young bigs that are cost controlled, an 18 year old PG with room to grow, our first rounder next year and possibly an asset or two to move for more picks. Only way I keep Melo is if he blocks every trade and then I'd make him a bench player. I do believe that Rose could be valuable as a 6th man, but not now. He just does not fit, especially next to KP. I'm not as doom and gloom as most. This season should be fun watching the young kids progress(if Melo isn't there). We should get a top 10 pick next year, possibly better. I'm excited for the potential as long as management doesn't make any bad decisions this offseason.

supposedly phil loves lee and likes him as a vet leader on the team

to Willy
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That's probably not going to be good enough to have a shot at a potential star. I don't think buying out Melo is the right move. I think you go into the year with a healthy Melo, try and boost his value and hopefully are still bad in the beginning of the year. Trade Melo during the ASB and go full tank the rest of the year.

on a very favorable deal. Someone who will have some value at the deadline who can start with KP and Willy.

In comment 13509229 Keith said:

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on a very favorable deal. Someone who will have some value at the deadline who can start with KP and Willy.

That would be Sergio Rodriguez. Will be cheap, has played with Willy in Spain (posted a highlight above), pure PG whose role can be reduced as Frank's increases. Perfect fit for a team trying to develop some kids.

His shots are getting further and further from the basket. He does nothing to help a team when the ball isn't in his hands(no movement, no picks, no defense) and when the ball is in his hands, he's looking to chuck. He's not the same player since his knee injury and he's not going to come in and all of a sudden be the old Melo and score in various ways. He's a terrible fit next to KP as well. We have to move him now to Cleveland or LAC for whatever we can get(without taking back bad contracts).

Good God Minny fleeced them.

My 2020 NBA Finals prediction: 76ers vs. Wolves.

In comment 13509230 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13509229 Keith said: Quote: on a very favorable deal. Someone who will have some value at the deadline who can start with KP and Willy. That would be Sergio Rodriguez. Will be cheap, has played with Willy in Spain (posted a highlight above), pure PG whose role can be reduced as Frank's increases. Perfect fit for a team trying to develop some kids.

Sign me up. Lets go full Euro on the NBA.

In comment 13509233 Keith said:

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His shots are getting further and further from the basket. He does nothing to help a team when the ball isn't in his hands(no movement, no picks, no defense) and when the ball is in his hands, he's looking to chuck. He's not the same player since his knee injury and he's not going to come in and all of a sudden be the old Melo and score in various ways. He's a terrible fit next to KP as well. We have to move him now to Cleveland or LAC for whatever we can get(without taking back bad contracts).

I don't think his game is collapsing, but I do think it's on a gradual decline. Half a season of solid play, especially without the toxic play of Derrick Rose around, should be enough to remind people that he's still a quality scorer and rebounder and to go from there.

by how little the Bulls got for Butler.

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by how little the Bulls got for Butler.

Same. I still don't understand why they even wanted to trade him. It's one thing if they got a monster offer of 2 top 5 picks or something but why accept this?

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In comment 13509233 Keith said: Quote: His shots are getting further and further from the basket. He does nothing to help a team when the ball isn't in his hands(no movement, no picks, no defense) and when the ball is in his hands, he's looking to chuck. He's not the same player since his knee injury and he's not going to come in and all of a sudden be the old Melo and score in various ways. He's a terrible fit next to KP as well. We have to move him now to Cleveland or LAC for whatever we can get(without taking back bad contracts). I don't think his game is collapsing, but I do think it's on a gradual decline. Half a season of solid play, especially without the toxic play of Derrick Rose around, should be enough to remind people that he's still a quality scorer and rebounder and to go from there.

You think Rose was the reason Melo had a brutal season? Unless we get a PG that can control the offense, you are going to see the same Melo. Theres always so many excuses for Melo. His game is not good anymore. He can't and doesn't take the ball to the rim. He can't create for other people. He won't move the ball, he's always stagnant. He's chucking from further and further away. That stuff is fine in the past when he's a bull near the basket taking quality shots. He's not that guy anymore. I look forward to hearing next years excuse.

bad bulls deal is they didnt even get to keep 16. That would have been a deal breaker for me. They are rebuilding and give up a mid first round pick. Horrible.

don't actually expect it to happen but D'Antoni has gone on record saying he and Melo are on good terms now. Morey tried for Butler, and is in on George. I wonder if the Rockets would be a fit. They have Dekker, Hartenstein, the Chinese kid Zhou Qi, Gentile (Phil tried trading for him previously).

Why frank is such a bad pick is because he has no chance of being a superstar. He can very well be a solid NBA player, a George Hill type. I don't want a George hill type when my team stinks, they should go for the home run even if it's riskier. Monk, Dennis smith and Donovan Mitchell all have much higher upside potential then frank and that's the risk you take. To me frank is a poor mans Donovan Mitchell, why not just take Donovan mitchell, much more athletic, works hard, proven defender in the ACC.

In comment 13509256 GMEN46 said:

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Why frank is such a bad pick is because he has no chance of being a superstar. He can very well be a solid NBA player, a George Hill type. I don't want a George hill type when my team stinks, they should go for the home run even if it's riskier. Monk, Dennis smith and Donovan Mitchell all have much higher upside potential then frank and that's the risk you take. To me frank is a poor mans Donovan Mitchell, why not just take Donovan mitchell, much more athletic, works hard, proven defender in the ACC.

Hard to say Frank's a bad pick right now, but I'd have preferred someone else. Suspect he's not going to become anything more than a quality role player but I give the Knicks Euro scouting the benefit of the doubt.

will help KP development also IMO whatever gets Melo off this team needs to happen even if it at a major loss.

I am a Melo fan and a Cuse fan but the Knicks can not move forward with him on the team.

When Melo is gone
KP will be the #1 option
KP can strictly play the 4 with a solid center.
KP can become the leader of this team and face of the franchise.
KP will be the guy to take the big shot.

Melo stops all of this.

if they do a S&T with Rose for Rubio, and just revive the deal from last trade deadline. Getting the whole Bulls bank back together. Throw Noah in too while you're at it.

what can we realistically expect to get in return for Melo? May be better off keeping him and moving him at the trade deadline to a contender if we are being offered shit for him

In comment 13509255 DanMetroMan said:

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don't actually expect it to happen but D'Antoni has gone on record saying he and Melo are on good terms now. Morey tried for Butler, and is in on George. I wonder if the Rockets would be a fit. They have Dekker, Hartenstein, the Chinese kid Zhou Qi, Gentile (Phil tried trading for him previously).

I say no chance. They are on good terms meaning they aren't enemies, but they did not mesh well at all. No way does D'Antoni want that again, no way. I think Cle and LAC are the only options at this point.

to the Wolves (he moves to the 4) for Rubio, Dieng and the rights to Justin Patton.

In comment 13509256 GMEN46 said:

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Why frank is such a bad pick is because he has no chance of being a superstar. He can very well be a solid NBA player, a George Hill type. I don't want a George hill type when my team stinks, they should go for the home run even if it's riskier. Monk, Dennis smith and Donovan Mitchell all have much higher upside potential then frank and that's the risk you take. To me frank is a poor mans Donovan Mitchell, why not just take Donovan mitchell, much more athletic, works hard, proven defender in the ACC.

Frank is 18 years old and green as grass. How do you know that he'll never be a superstar? That's crazy talk.

Truth is, the scouts have a much better idea of his talents than fans who only heard of him when the draft was coming up.

People thought KP would never amount to anything and the crowd booed relentlessly when he was picked. For days afterwards, all I read was that it was a "wasted pick" and that KP would never amount to anything. "Too skinny", "geeky", "will get shoved around in the NBA where the real players play", etc., etc. How things change once the sneakers hit the court and the know-it-all fans realized that maybe those professional scouts who spend months and hundreds of hours analyzing players' abilities in Europe might know more than them.

In comment 13509256 GMEN46 said:

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Why frank is such a bad pick is because he has no chance of being a superstar. He can very well be a solid NBA player, a George Hill type. I don't want a George hill type when my team stinks, they should go for the home run even if it's riskier. Monk, Dennis smith and Donovan Mitchell all have much higher upside potential then frank and that's the risk you take. To me frank is a poor mans Donovan Mitchell, why not just take Donovan mitchell, much more athletic, works hard, proven defender in the ACC.

how can you possibly know that frank is a bad pick? or that he will never be more anything more than a solid starter?

the only reason you think smith or monk has higher upside is because you saw them play and they were in your face on espn all the time...

FACT you have no idea what frank will become, he is 18 playing in a league with grown men better than college

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Why frank is such a bad pick is because he has no chance of being a superstar. He can very well be a solid NBA player, a George Hill type. I don't want a George hill type when my team stinks, they should go for the home run even if it's riskier. Monk, Dennis smith and Donovan Mitchell all have much higher upside potential then frank and that's the risk you take. To me frank is a poor mans Donovan Mitchell, why not just take Donovan mitchell, much more athletic, works hard, proven defender in the ACC.

Watching the draft last night, someone, Fran maybe, said that the league that Frank plays in, any team in the league would beat North Carolina by 40 points. He then repeated it emphatically. So I'm not sure being a good defender in the ACC is quite on par with the competition Frank has been playing since he was, what, 16?

he has the highest percentage of being an all star oit of any of the lottery picks, so why is his upside low?

I can say pretty definitively having seen him play is that Frank is not NBA ready. I know this was said about KP but that simply wasn't based in reality. KP did work in the #2 league in the world playing significant minutes and putting up numbers. Frank likely SHOULD be force fed minutes but I would be beyond shocked if he's ready for a major role out of the gate.

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to the Wolves (he moves to the 4) for Rubio, Dieng and the rights to Justin Patton.

And they proceed to sign CP3?

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In comment 13509274 DanMetroMan said: Quote: to the Wolves (he moves to the 4) for Rubio, Dieng and the rights to Justin Patton. And they proceed to sign CP3?

Make it so.

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I can say pretty definitively having seen him play is that Frank is not NBA ready. I know this was said about KP but that simply wasn't based in reality. KP did work in the #2 league in the world playing significant minutes and putting up numbers. Frank likely SHOULD be force fed minutes but I would be beyond shocked if he's ready for a major role out of the gate.

significant more minutes is a little bit of a tretch he played 3 more minutes a game ans came off the bench...

i agree i dont think he comes in right away and is reasy for minutes but kp came off the bench and only played 21 miknutes a night

Listen, we know you want to stay in NY because you live here and your kids are here and you have unlimited options of mistresses. We know you want to play with your friends and if you have a chance to win, that might be fun, but isn't a top priority. Good news, we rec'd an offer from Minnesota to play for a coach that demands defense. We know you hate playing defense and you rarely try, but it'll be fun to reinvent your game at this point. You in?

I think you have a shot at the warriors

Cp3
Wiggins
Butler
Melo
KAT

Absolutely 0 depth so betting big on health but I think that team could take the warriors to 6-7.

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I think you have a shot at the warriors Cp3 Wiggins Butler Melo KAT Absolutely 0 depth so betting big on health but I think that team could take the warriors to 6-7.

I think that team actually has a decent shot at beating the Warriors. Key is D. Butler and Wiggins's D (especially if you can up the effort level on the latter) would really bother the Warriors. I'd love to see it personally.

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In comment 13509283 DanMetroMan said: Quote: I can say pretty definitively having seen him play is that Frank is not NBA ready. I know this was said about KP but that simply wasn't based in reality. KP did work in the #2 league in the world playing significant minutes and putting up numbers. Frank likely SHOULD be force fed minutes but I would be beyond shocked if he's ready for a major role out of the gate. significant more minutes is a little bit of a tretch he played 3 more minutes a game ans came off the bench... i agree i dont think he comes in right away and is reasy for minutes but kp came off the bench and only played 21 miknutes a night

KP played 50 games, 21.4 minutes per game for a team in the #2 league in the world putting up 11 and 5, 1 block 1 steal and had played 73 professional games. Frank averaged 5 points and 1.4 assists in the #7 league in the world, c'mon their experience/success isn't particularly close. I'm not shitting on him but KP was doubted mostly because he was "too thin". Being 6'5 is great and all but he's not going to have a physical advantage out of the gate, if anything he will be bullied by stronger grown men.

Ntilikina's team would beat UNC by 40.

so we all agree, Melo is headed to the Wolves, we get Rubio, Patton and Dieng. Nice. Good job guys.


KP, Willy, Rubio, Frank, Patton, Dieng solid young core.

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Ntilikina's team would beat UNC by 40.

That's absurd. Go look at the roster. It's guys who couldn't even make the Dleague.

G 6 France Lacombe, Paul 1.95 m (6 ft 5 in) 86 kg (190 lb) 27 � 12 June 1990
SG 8 Poland Slaughter, A. J. 1.91 m (6 ft 3 in) 80 kg (176 lb) 29 � 3 August 1987
F 9 France Leloup, J�r�my 2.02 m (6 ft 8 in) 89 kg (196 lb) 30 � 31 January 1987
G/F 10 France Sy, Pape 2.01 m (6 ft 7 in) 99 kg (218 lb) 29 � 5 April 1988
PG 11 United States Walker, Erving 1.73 m (5 ft 8 in) 80 kg (176 lb) 27 � 17 January 1990
C 14 France Jaiteh, Mouhammadou 2.08 m (6 ft 10 in) 105 kg (231 lb) 22 � 27 November 1994
PF 16 France Cortale, Olivier 2.07 m (6 ft 9 in) 102 kg (225 lb) 20 � 16 March 1997
PG 22 France Ntilikina, Frank 1.93 m (6 ft 4 in) 74 kg (163 lb) 18 � 28 July 1998
PF 24 Republic of Macedonia Travis, Romeo 2.01 m (6 ft 7 in) 102 kg (225 lb) 32 � 10 December 1984
PF 33 Finland Murphy, Erik 2.08 m (6 ft 10 in) 105 kg (231 lb) 26 � 26 October 1990
PF 54 United States Howard, Matt 2.03 m (6 ft 8 in) 104 kg (229 lb) 28 � 23 January 1989

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so we all agree, Melo is headed to the Wolves, we get Rubio, Patton and Dieng. Nice. Good job guys. KP, Willy, Rubio, Frank, Patton, Dieng solid young core.

I am calling Melo now to tell him to pack his bags.

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so we all agree, Melo is headed to the Wolves, we get Rubio, Patton and Dieng. Nice. Good job guys. KP, Willy, Rubio, Frank, Patton, Dieng solid young core.

Looks like a 18-20 win team to me. Perfect.

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In comment 13509288 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 13509283 DanMetroMan said: Quote: I can say pretty definitively having seen him play is that Frank is not NBA ready. I know this was said about KP but that simply wasn't based in reality. KP did work in the #2 league in the world playing significant minutes and putting up numbers. Frank likely SHOULD be force fed minutes but I would be beyond shocked if he's ready for a major role out of the gate. significant more minutes is a little bit of a tretch he played 3 more minutes a game ans came off the bench... i agree i dont think he comes in right away and is reasy for minutes but kp came off the bench and only played 21 miknutes a night KP played 50 games, 21.4 minutes per game for a team in the #2 league in the world putting up 11 and 5, 1 block 1 steal and had played 73 professional games. Frank averaged 5 points and 1.4 assists in the #7 league in the world, c'mon their experience/success isn't particularly close. I'm not shitting on him but KP was doubted mostly because he was "too thin". Being 6'5 is great and all but he's not going to have a physical advantage out of the gate, if anything he will be bullied by stronger grown men.

i agree he wont come in right away i said that..

i am just saying there wasnt a lot to go on with kp either...

roster is beating UNC by 40? Really absurd statement. I may be mistaken but I think Frank is the only player on that roster drafted by an NBA team (and it's loaded with ex-NCAA players).

They look good on paper, but they'd give up 400 pts a night and do they really fit well together?

starting 3 Pape Sy was a 2nd rounder in 2010 (53rd overall)

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They look good on paper, but they'd give up 400 pts a night and do they really fit well together?

How? CP3 and butler are all defensive 1st team players. KAT and wiggins both project to be elite in time, and certainly would benefit from having the two former in the lineup. Melo is really the only oddball defensive fit.

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They look good on paper, but they'd give up 400 pts a night and do they really fit well together?

There are questions about frontcourt defense with that team, but otherwise you're just saying stuff without making an argument.

but one would think w/ both Levine and Dunn gone, Minny is hitching their wagon to Rubio at PG

and the remote possibility of CLE...it looks like a lock that Melo stays or is bought out (meaning no incoming assets for him)

But thibs has built top 3 defenses around Derrick Rose and Carlos boozer. And when rose was out it was Nate Robinson, Augustine, or Aaron brooks and the D never faltered.

It would certainly be better than the Cavs defense. Lebron was the only plus defender against the warriors. You get butler on KD and Cp3 on curry. That already is better. Melo will be as useful/useless as Love. Then KAT and wiggins, 2 fantastic athletes that have all the necessary tools.

smith jr vs frank

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smith jr vs frank

Date?

stepping on anyones toes KOQ defends his boy KP and his decision to skip the exit interview (KOQ also looks to be in great shape)
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july 1st 3pm

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But thibs has built top 3 defenses around Derrick Rose and Carlos boozer. And when rose was out it was Nate Robinson, Augustine, or Aaron brooks and the D never faltered. It would certainly be better than the Cavs defense. Lebron was the only plus defender against the warriors. You get butler on KD and Cp3 on curry. That already is better. Melo will be as useful/useless as Love. Then KAT and wiggins, 2 fantastic athletes that have all the necessary tools.

Those guys may be good defenders at some point, but they aren't yet. CP3 is going to age fast. He had microfracture and he also had Jordan behind him. Does he have another year? Maybe, but he won't have Jordan to protect him. Melo is a brutally bad defender. Last point...is this a 5 on 5 game or is the bench factored in?

Phil wants the Brooklyn pick from Boston.

love KOQ.

I just wish he was a smidge better at everything.

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In comment 13509334 giantsfan44ab said: Quote: But thibs has built top 3 defenses around Derrick Rose and Carlos boozer. And when rose was out it was Nate Robinson, Augustine, or Aaron brooks and the D never faltered. It would certainly be better than the Cavs defense. Lebron was the only plus defender against the warriors. You get butler on KD and Cp3 on curry. That already is better. Melo will be as useful/useless as Love. Then KAT and wiggins, 2 fantastic athletes that have all the necessary tools. Those guys may be good defenders at some point, but they aren't yet. CP3 is going to age fast. He had microfracture and he also had Jordan behind him. Does he have another year? Maybe, but he won't have Jordan to protect him. Melo is a brutally bad defender. Last point...is this a 5 on 5 game or is the bench factored in?

It is, which is still why I would take the Warriors, but to me that team is certainly better than the Cavs, Rockets or Spurs (better defensively than both houston and Cleveland at that).

Love is a brutally bad defender. JR was this year. Kyrie is a liability. KAT is better than TT already and should be a lot better over the next few years.

Age is certainly a factor though.

but GSW just abused Cle. That team would probably get swept as well.

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but GSW just abused Cle. That team would probably get swept as well.

Eh, I'd staunchly disagree. That team would have 1 more all star and Melo is a significantly better 5th option compared to TT. KAT, Butler, and CP3 are 3 all NBA caliber players already.

than 'Melo waiving his NTC & going to Minny. That ain't happening.

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thank you dan

Would be a cheap, short term option for thibs as well.

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Would be a cheap, short term option for thibs as well.

Pau supposedly has a verbal agreement with the Spurs

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I don't think he goes to Minny but it's not absurd. Thibs loves Carmelo. Look up what he's said about him in the past. And Melo wanted Thibs in NY. I still fully expect Melo to be bought out.

And I don't but Frenchys team beating UNC by 40. Frishcilla is full of it.

Not a criticism but what was the last trade the Knicks made? Hasn't been one in over a year.

Any one remember what the last one was?

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Not a criticism but what was the last trade the Knicks made? Hasn't been one in over a year. Any one remember what the last one was?

Rose?

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Not a criticism but what was the last trade the Knicks made? Hasn't been one in over a year. Any one remember what the last one was?

6/23/2016, Knicks trade for Derrick Rose, wow today is exactly 1 year

Made exactly one year before yesterday.

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In comment 13509321 Keith said: Quote: They look good on paper, but they'd give up 400 pts a night and do they really fit well together? How? CP3 and butler are all defensive 1st team players. KAT and wiggins both project to be elite in time, and certainly would benefit from having the two former in the lineup. Melo is really the only oddball defensive fit.

And you can just hide Melo on Zaza or whoever they run out there at the 5. Put KAT on Green.

Three trades in two years - last trade before KOQ was THJ for Grant.

is if he makes a deal with CP3 for them to both end up there somehow. I don't see him approving a deal to play with Butler/KAT/Wiggins.

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None of us know anything about him other than the brief video we all saw.

And those of you who are pretending you know about him are completely full of it. You do not.

I was not that impressed with what I saw on tape other than his ability to stay in front of his man. But how quick are the guys he was guarding. But still glad we got a guy who plays defense.

I think the 7 foot wingspan is also a big plus. If he gets stronger, he will have the length to be a plus rebounder for a guard and will definitely be a plus shot blocker at that position. With all the three pointers having a guard with that big a wing span can lead to some altered shots.

I liked Smith and Monk at #8 but maybe this kid will have the higher ceiling longterm.

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None of us know anything about him other than the brief video we all saw. And those of you who are pretending you know about him are completely full of it. You do not. I was not that impressed with what I saw on tape other than his ability to stay in front of his man. But how quick are the guys he was guarding. But still glad we got a guy who plays defense. I think the 7 foot wingspan is also a big plus. If he gets stronger, he will have the length to be a plus rebounder for a guard and will definitely be a plus shot blocker at that position. With all the three pointers having a guard with that big a wing span can lead to some altered shots. I liked Smith and Monk at #8 but maybe this kid will have the higher ceiling longterm.

No, YOU do not.

Everyone on this board is relying on what the "experts" say about Frank N and I doubt anyone on BBI has actually watched on game from start to finish.

I'm in the same boat -- watched clips, read a lot, will watch the championship game -- but I am impressed with Frank's intangibles, his size and length, and the quality of play he has been competing in.

From various write-ups and film on Frank:

1. is reputed to have a very high BB IQ, even at 18
2. Has exceptionally long reach and very large hands
3. Is emerging as a very good shooter, was 42% from 3 land this year.
4. Is reputed to be a gym rat, and an exceptionally hard worker
5. Even the ESPN analysis had his ceiling as an "all star" higher than anyone else in the draft.
6. He is only 18, he will get bigger, stronger, and possibly longer.

And keep in mind, the Knicks picked sixth, not third. Monk had his warts (really light and small, short wingspan, poor defensive) and Smith (poor teammate, no defense, iced out teammates, team was horrible, had one major knee injury already)

While its no lock, Frank has the chance to be a very very good pro.

to deal Melo to Cle that was nixed because nobody would take love??

There had been a trade in the works where Cleveland would have acquired Paul George AND Melo.

Five teams involved, didn't give many specifics, but said nobody wanted to take Kevin Love's contract, Melo was hesitant, and David Griffin getting fired threw a wrench in it.

I respect his family complications, but goddamn. You have a couple of prime years left and you're gonna pass up a chance to play with Lebron, Paul George and Kyrie Irving?? That's a guaranteed trip to the Finals and a legit shot at a championship.

Due respect but the mere fact they would say he has the highest ceiling is absurd and not in line with the facts or what any scouts, articles, experts have stated. Who has the highest ceiling is debatable... Fultz? Isaac? DSJ? But to say Franks is the highest is silly and places silly expectations on his upside (and I say that fully understanding he has plenty of room to improve and grow)

stephan a claims san antonio offered kawhi for kp?

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stephan a claims san antonio offered kawhi for kp?

hahahhaa gtfo

can't believe you guys are believing outlandish claims from SAS of all people. A proven liar.

and I don't need you to post various articles and tweets, your words will do just fine......what has he been proven to lie about?

whomever asked about the triangle fit for Frank, the way it was explained to me is that the 1 and 2 have to be able to do both roles within the offense so a "tweener" (not in a bad way, but a guy who can do both) is a better fit than a pure 1.

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stephan a claims san antonio offered kawhi for kp?

No way. No fucking way.

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and I don't need you to post various articles and tweets, your words will do just fine......what has he been proven to lie about?

For one he claims Durant told friends he was going to the Lakers

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Kevin Durant on the Lakers rumors: "I don't talk to Stephen A Smith at all. No one in my family, my friends do. So he's lying.""

just called Frank a terrible pick by the way (which is a good thing since he said the same about KP).

"He'll be just fine. Opening night, Kobe Bryant is going to miss it because [his] foot is sprained? Are y'all crazy? N---a please."
His comments blew up into national news story when the video of his comment began circulating on the web. Naturally, he handled it in a way that only Stephen A. could�or would...

Instead of issuing a simple innocuous apology for saying the thing we all heard him say, he completely denied saying the thing we all heard him say. Or he could have just said, "I said it, I'm not sorry."

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just called Frank a terrible pick by the way (which is a good thing since he said the same about KP).

THE WORST PICK SINCE SLAVA MEDVEDENKO

The two of them don't have a good relationship, so if either one was telling the truth, the other would still say it's a lie.

In comment 13509725 DanMetroMan said:

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whomever asked about the triangle fit for Frank, the way it was explained to me is that the 1 and 2 have to be able to do both roles within the offense so a "tweener" (not in a bad way, but a guy who can do both) is a better fit than a pure 1.

That's part of it (as far as my understanding of it goes), but it also requires a faster pace of play and lots more passing, constantly moving the ball. Pick-n-rolls are not the main objective as it is for most teams and instead a lot of constant ball movement until a shooter is wide open. Hence, a point guard who can cleanly distribute the ball and is also a tenacious defender is better suited than the traditional PG being the QB of the team and taking a lot of shots by fancy play and getting open themselves and then doing little in defense.

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In comment 13509725 DanMetroMan said: Quote: whomever asked about the triangle fit for Frank, the way it was explained to me is that the 1 and 2 have to be able to do both roles within the offense so a "tweener" (not in a bad way, but a guy who can do both) is a better fit than a pure 1. That's part of it (as far as my understanding of it goes), but it also requires a faster pace of play and lots more passing, constantly moving the ball. Pick-n-rolls are not the main objective as it is for most teams and instead a lot of constant ball movement until a shooter is wide open. Hence, a point guard who can cleanly distribute the ball and is also a tenacious defender is better suited than the traditional PG being the QB of the team and taking a lot of shots by fancy play and getting open themselves and then doing little in defense.

I fully acknowledge I don't know a ton about the triangle beyond what most of us have read. I was just told that by a former coach I know (not an NBA coach but a knowledgeable guy)

the thing... either you believe the Spurs offered Kawhi for KP or you believe Smith is a liar. So which is it? You really think Pop offered up a 25 year old league MVP type with 3 years left on his deal when Pop is about to be 69? I love KP but that's so silly I don't know where to begin.

and knowing full well he'd be Phil's guy. I preferred Monk or Smith, but really had no doubt we'd take Frank. I don't mind it as much at eight, but if we find ourselves in the top four next year, I don't want to hear a peep about "system fit."

a 5 team deal would have so many people involved (execs, players, agents, writers etc) that at least one "real" reporter would have a sniff, trust me.

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the Cavs, Bulls, Thunder and Nets are gonna make offers to Ron Burgundy Baker. Phil won't be outbid for this stud!

Ron. Def not spending money on Ron Baker.

worst defense I've ever seen. The guy dribbled directly down the middle of the court and stuffed it

You ok? You seem extra irritable today. Everything anyone posts you go on a tangent about how ridiculous it is. Take a deep breath.

Isn't it possible SAS got bad info somewhere?

on the bench with 2 early fouls

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You ok? You seem extra irritable today. Everything anyone posts you go on a tangent about how ridiculous it is. Take a deep breath.

Kawhi Leonard being offered for KP is beyond ridiculous I'm sorry

Walker has pretty shitty numbers but last 2 games he's stood out (I mean he's 5'8 so...)

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the thing... either you believe the Spurs offered Kawhi for KP or you believe Smith is a liar. So which is it? You really think Pop offered up a 25 year old league MVP type with 3 years left on his deal when Pop is about to be 69? I love KP but that's so silly I don't know where to begin.

The way it was phrased is that the Spurs initiated the inquiry on KP and a deal involving the two. He never even said the word offer. I was listening live. I'm sure that sort of thing happened a lot over the past two days when teams were trying to make a trade for KP.

defense has been atrocious so far

Knowing the Knicks luck he'll suffer an injury today.

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Any live streams actually working? Can't seem to find any on YouTube.

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up 1 after 1. Absolutely nothing to report from Frank. Jon, if you are watching you can't tell me this teams beats UNC by 40 cmon lol

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up 1 after 1. Absolutely nothing to report from Frank. Jon, if you are watching you can't tell me this teams beats UNC by 40 cmon lol

You're right, but to be fair, the ESPN guys were baiting Fran for that one.

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In comment 13509764 BigBlueShock said: Quote: You ok? You seem extra irritable today. Everything anyone posts you go on a tangent about how ridiculous it is. Take a deep breath. Kawhi Leonard being offered for KP is beyond ridiculous I'm sorry

Look through this thread. You can cherry pick the last one if you'd like, but this thread is full of you calling everything posted ridiculous. Fran says that Franks team would beat UNC by 40? Ridiculous! ESPN saying that Frank may have the most upside? Ridiculous! 5 player trade! Ridiculous! Leonard for KP? Ridiculous!

I mean, I tend to agree with you on much of it, but fact is, we don't know the answer for certain on any of it. No need to act like the smartest guy in the room every time someone posts something. It's very unbecoming.

with a bizarre release on his 3, goes in. No knock on Frank at all but this is low level pro basketball. Luckily he's 18 playing against grown men.

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In comment 13509769 DanMetroMan said: Quote: In comment 13509764 BigBlueShock said: Quote: You ok? You seem extra irritable today. Everything anyone posts you go on a tangent about how ridiculous it is. Take a deep breath. Kawhi Leonard being offered for KP is beyond ridiculous I'm sorry Look through this thread. You can cherry pick the last one if you'd like, but this thread is full of you calling everything posted ridiculous. Fran says that Franks team would beat UNC by 40? Ridiculous! ESPN saying that Frank may have the most upside? Ridiculous! 5 player trade! Ridiculous! Leonard for KP? Ridiculous! I mean, I tend to agree with you on much of it, but fact is, we don't know the answer for certain on any of it. No need to act like the smartest guy in the room every time someone posts something. It's very unbecoming.

BBS some of these comments are over the top ridiculous. Jon is watching the same game I am, ask him about the ability of these teams to beat UNC "by 40". That's not an indictment of Frank as a prospect. It might be if he were 22 and not dominating though.

white guy with some really impressive man D. Frank back in

of this by far is the debate in the chat box between the New Yorkers . about whether Frank has ever had a chopped cheese sandwich before.

FOR 3!!!

drills a 3

move to the hoop and is fouled

When he gets stronger he will finish that.

Not trying to give you a hard time, you're one of the very best posters on this site. Just seem out of character today, haha.

But anyways, you two are scaring the shit out of me while watching that game. It's really that bad? Ugh

from the line

no look pass there.

OUR SON IS COOKING OUT HERE FOLKS.

has a slight hitch from the line but good form

baby!

again from 3!

Let that boy coooook

by Frank!

Steal to a fastbreak layup.

Hype level is unreal.

seen 2.5 games, this is the best he's looked. Very impressive little run.

Jon or Dan having this problem? Can kinda see Frank making plays but not really lol.

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Jon or Dan having this problem? Can kinda see Frank making plays but not really lol.

Nah I have all kinds of popup blockers on though

run adblock so the only blockers coming up are in the chat and I don't care what those people are saying "Oh man some Kobe shit right there!" and a lot of N words

idea about payscale but I'm surprised a good college player who isnt an NBA talent doesnt play in a league like this, they would be dominant.

opposing PG with a beautiful play

and non-descript tweener white guy have a miscommunication and he throws it away. Frank now out of the game.

bad pass by Frank. Read the P&R poorly.

leash by the coach but it's a championship game so I can't blame him.

so basically, Frank 2 quick fouls, comes back hits 2 jumpers, 1/2 from the line, 1 very nice pass, 1 nice steal bad pass and is pulled and doesn't return. You see evidence of what Phil liked. Ball handling again looked pretty rudimentary but they also seem to play him off the ball when he's in.

range jumper for Franky

is that Howard the dude who played on Butler with Gordon Hayward?

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is that Howard the dude who played on Butler with Gordon Hayward?

hah yes it is.

He was a monster.

Another travel by Frank.

got bodied a bit but was called for palming/traveling, complained a bit but it was the right call.

3 quarters it's 46-47.

Keep this in mind when talking about Frank's production.

Spurs get Melo
Suns get Aldridge
Knicks get miami 1st Rd pick owner by Suns or Bledsoe.

Bledsoe can be trade deadline for a pick in worst case scenario.

another rough take by Frank. He really needs to work on his handle.

called for the reach

Frankie with the nice stuff, crowd comes alive #Knicks

defensive performance by Strasbourg. Like unbelievably bad.

That's my point guys don't really improve their handles when they are 18 or 19. It is what it is at this point. He is not a NBA PG. this will be a big miss by Phil with Monk, Smith and Mitchell all available. All because of the stupid triangle.

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That's my point guys don't really improve their handles when they are 18 or 19. It is what it is at this point. He is not a NBA PG. this will be a big miss by Phil with Monk, Smith and Mitchell all available. All because of the stupid triangle.

That seems like a fairly absurd generalization.

Either way, there's far more to like than dislike after today's performance. He led the team in +/- despite being the youngest player by roughly 7 years and playing after a red eye flight.

takeaways (this is the 4th time I've seen him)

-Release is somewhat slow but his shot looks to be legit, I don't have any real doubt given his release not being an issue that he'll knock down open 3's

-Showed decent acceleration in the open court

- Seems like he could stand to be even more aggressive on both ends. He made a sweet steal jumping the passing lane.

-Ball handling was sub-par for the NBA PG position

-Made a few nice passes, a few dumb ones

-I predict a lot of foul trouble rookie year, arms and elbows get him in trouble but at least the effort to play D is there

- Level of play in this league is garbage, Fran can make any claim he wants

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Kawhi Leonard being offered for KP is beyond ridiculous I'm sorry

If I were the Knicks and I got that offer, I'd be like, "Fuck, I had no idea he was worth that much, but if he is, I'm keeping him."

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lol. You just know somehow even that would end up against us. Leonard would come here

see it myself but apparently Shelbourne confirmed that the Clippers offered DeAndre Jordan for #4 and were rebuffed and are denying it now because Jordan is emo.

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so there will be no Saturday showdown with Frank. Guys are running scared already!

Shooting is something that can be improved or form can be changed. Defense can be improved with good coaching and positioning and footwork. Balljandling generally does not get better in the NBA. By 18 it is what it is. Did not see much that excites me against mediocre competition. Reminds me of a taller Langston Galloway or a younger derek Harper in derek harpers later years, neither worth the 8th pick. I can't believe you can defend this pick over the other 3 guards available who are all superior athletes, which is what the league is about when it comes to guards

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Shooting is something that can be improved or form can be changed. Defense can be improved with good coaching and positioning and footwork. Balljandling generally does not get better in the NBA. By 18 it is what it is. Did not see much that excites me against mediocre competition. Reminds me of a taller Langston Galloway or a younger derek Harper in derek harpers later years, neither worth the 8th pick. I can't believe you can defend this pick over the other 3 guards available who are all superior athletes, which is what the league is about when it comes to guards

Jeez I'm not a fan of the pick but you're writing him off like that? Not even going to watch him in a week in summer league before that?

It's not like all the other guards were flaw-free. After seeing the knee stuff with DSJ that scared the shit out of me. Monk and DSJ probably have more questions on defense than Frank as well. I liked Mitchell to Frank as well but Michell 1.) Isn't a PG either 2.) Struggles finishing in the paint as well and 3.) Has just a questionable a shot.

I don't think Frank will be a PG but his playmaking will be a plus at the 2 guard spot. If he becomes a George Hill or Batum then thats historically an above average selection for where they pick. It's not superstar, but can be another complimentary piece. The hope is that we get a top 5 pick next year, another star next to KP. Frank and Willy will compliment the 2.

but my God, let's give him a chance. Far more things to like about this kid than dislike. He's a gym rat, too.

That can make an impact right away, you guys are willing to wait 3-4 years, so we will have to offer him an $18-20mm extension in a few years when maybe this guy could be good maybe not. monk and smith will be impact players from day 1. You guys saw the guy play today against mediocre competition he is along ways away from making any sort of impact.

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That can make an impact right away, you guys are willing to wait 3-4 years, so we will have to offer him an $18-20mm extension in a few years when maybe this guy could be good maybe not. monk and smith will be impact players from day 1. You guys saw the guy play today against mediocre competition he is along ways away from making any sort of impact.

why do you need a player right away? that makes zero sense, this is not some 1 year rebuild..

plus how do you know monk and smith can make a day 1 impact?

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Shooting is something that can be improved or form can be changed. Defense can be improved with good coaching and positioning and footwork. Balljandling generally does not get better in the NBA. By 18 it is what it is. Did not see much that excites me against mediocre competition. Reminds me of a taller Langston Galloway or a younger derek Harper in derek harpers later years, neither worth the 8th pick. I can't believe you can defend this pick over the other 3 guards available who are all superior athletes, which is what the league is about when it comes to guards

Your opinion is your opinion, but let's not suggest that Frank wasn't expected to be a top 10 pick. Some of these arguments against the pick sound like people think the Knicks overdrafted a player expected to go in the 20s.

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2020? Gee thanks! By then the Lakers will have PG and LeBron and that pick will be useless.

what impact dis kawhi leonard make his first year? jimmy butler?

you have no idea what a guy can become...

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That can make an impact right away

And that isn't good drafting anyway. If this is the philosophy you wanted to run your team by, then you draft Frank Kaminsky, not Porzingis, because one is safer and the more immediate help. But it wouldn't be the right decision.

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That can make an impact right away, you guys are willing to wait 3-4 years, so we will have to offer him an $18-20mm extension in a few years when maybe this guy could be good maybe not. monk and smith will be impact players from day 1. You guys saw the guy play today against mediocre competition he is along ways away from making any sort of impact.

Yeah...this logic is dumb as shit. Jahlil Okafor and Mudiay were supposed to be "instant impacts". This isn't stuff you can really judge right away. KP wasn't "NBA Ready". There's no track record for these labels in accurately depicting actual NBA performance.

In comment 13510034 GMEN46 said:

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That can make an impact right away, you guys are willing to wait 3-4 years, so we will have to offer him an $18-20mm extension in a few years when maybe this guy could be good maybe not. monk and smith will be impact players from day 1. You guys saw the guy play today against mediocre competition he is along ways away from making any sort of impact.

Just stop. You know less than NOTHING about how any of these guys will turn out. I hope you get this whining off your chest now and don't litter every Knicks thread for the next 6 months with this crap. Can we watch it play out before anointing him a bust and making reservations for the hall of fame for the other 3 super studs?

How far does Frank drop?
I don't believe he drops further than 15.

My point is I don't think he is a reach and most believe he belongs in the top 10. He has lottery talent and what I have heard a strong work ethic.

Let's see how he turns out over the next 3 years.

In comment 13510060 larryflower37 said:

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How far does Frank drop? I don't believe he drops further than 15. My point is I don't think he is a reach and most believe he belongs in the top 10. He has lottery talent and what I have heard a strong work ethic. Let's see how he turns out over the next 3 years.

15? The Mavs would have taken him at 9.

He will never be an elite player we are looking at a 3 and D guy upside. It worthy of the 8th pick too many better options. You have to go for the superstar upside and monk and smith both have that or if your focused on defense then you draft the more athletic player like Mitchell.

In comment 13510074 GMEN46 said:

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He will never be an elite player we are looking at a 3 and D guy upside. It worthy of the 8th pick too many better options. You have to go for the superstar upside and monk and smith both have that or if your focused on defense then you draft the more athletic player like Mitchell.

again how do you know he will never be elite?

you have no idea what he will become...

you are talking in absolutes like you can see the future...

did you know kawhi leonard would be a star? paul george? jimmy butler? tony parker? manu ginobli? stephen curry? klay thompson? draymond green?

you are writing off an 18 year old kid that you have not watched plag a single minute

but, I watched the championship game he played today and while he did some really nice things, I do not see elite level athleticism or very good ball control skills. I don't think DSJ or Monk will be better players, but they seem to have more of an "it" factor when they play. The game I watched today was some really bad basketball as a whole.

Listed are really talented at something or super athletic. Even ginolbli who is avg athleticism is so crafty and smart. Frank is just pretty average at everything although he does shoot 3's well with a solo release against mediocre competition. Super athletic guys have big upside potential over time non athletic PGs just can't be elite in this league. At the end of the day I want him to be great just like everyone, but I know the max upaise is george hill type and that does nothing to excite me. You can't pass on Monk or smith jr knowing the potential upside is so much higher

you are talking in absolutes like the kid can never improve anything, fact you have zero idea of what he was going to necome..

and no one on the list i gave you was prkjected to be a superstar player, none..

In entire draft?


Granted also greatest chance to bust

In comment 13510110 GMEN46 said:

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Listed are really talented at something or super athletic. Even ginolbli who is avg athleticism is so crafty and smart. Frank is just pretty average at everything although he does shoot 3's well with a solo release against mediocre competition. Super athletic guys have big upside potential over time non athletic PGs just can't be elite in this league. At the end of the day I want him to be great just like everyone, but I know the max upaise is george hill type and that does nothing to excite me. You can't pass on Monk or smith jr knowing the potential upside is so much higher

So, tell me all about Manu Ginobli when he was 18 years old. How crafty and smart he was. You seem to have a firm grasp on everything so this should be good

redshirt senior like our second pick. They played one year of college ball, before that AAU where they got less than zero coaching. Frank turned pro when he was 15, presumably with better fundamentals.

Yet with Frank it's he'll be good, because we don't know.....

But we know the other two have stopped developing at 19 and won't learn the team game because they are too athletic....they score too easily so they must hate passing.

Nobody knows. A lot is between the ears which we don't see. KP was special, I could see right away after getting over the initial disappointment of not getting Mudiay. Frank? Of course the jury is still out but gun to your head you think he will have bigger impact in the league compared to Smith and Monk?

Not me.

In comment 13510110 GMEN46 said:

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Listed are really talented at something or super athletic. Even ginolbli who is avg athleticism is so crafty and smart. Frank is just pretty average at everything although he does shoot 3's well with a solo release against mediocre competition. Super athletic guys have big upside potential over time non athletic PGs just can't be elite in this league. At the end of the day I want him to be great just like everyone, but I know the max upaise is george hill type and that does nothing to excite me. You can't pass on Monk or smith jr knowing the potential upside is so much higher

How do you 'know' all this?

Paul Sabin of ESPN Analytics rated all the top prospects, putting a number to the odds the player becomes an all-star, starter, bench player, or complete bust. Of the top 10 players drafted, Frank Ntilikina is the most likely to be a complete bust. He's also the most likely to be an all-star.
Analytics separates Busts from All-Stars - ( New Window )

doesn't get better I find hard to believe. That will be his challenge. If he is able to tighten that up, he will be able to actualize the athleticism he has, and be better off the bounce. He's not even 19.

The weight room will also do him a world of good.

What he is.. a potentially dominant defender that can guard 3 positions, while spotting up off the ball from distance. I see him getting minutes at the 2, while learning the 1.

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Very excited about the pick, Phil said in an interview that he hopes to get him 28 minutes per game his rookie season. I hope so

And I don't know much more about the players the Knicks passed on to draft him.

But since Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman were both killing the Knicks after the draft, my guess is that - wonder of wonders - Phil Jackson made the right move.

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And I don't know much more about the players the Knicks passed on to draft him. But since Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman were both killing the Knicks after the draft, my guess is that - wonder of wonders - Phil Jackson made the right move.

the reason people hate the pick is because they never saw him play, people wanted monk and smith because they were known names..

it is that simple, if frank played at kentucky or duke people would have no problem with the pick, it is the fear of the unknown and i get it but that is not a reason to hate a lick and say he is going to be nothing...

this is like when the giants lick someone no one has ever heard of in the 5th and everyone kills jerrh reese...

I'm just glad they didn't trade Porzingis.

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I'm just glad they didn't trade Porzingis.

they were never going to unless someone came with a crazy offer, yet the media claims he was shopping him...

ainge said he literally tlaked to phil for 2 mins about kp and said they didnt want to move him, they just wanted to see if they could get a ceazy offer

coming season, they should have taken Monk. If you presume no Anthony, where are the points coming from? They might be better off on a 2 or 3 year projection, but 17-18 looks like a 20-win affair. Then, again, Jax is still weighing trading Zinger, so who knows what will happen?

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coming season, they should have taken Monk. If you presume no Anthony, where are the points coming from? They might be better off on a 2 or 3 year projection, but 17-18 looks like a 20-win affair. Then, again, Jax is still weighing trading Zinger, so who knows what will happen?

You think they should choose among 19 year old players based on who might fit best with a band-aid? OK then.

In comment 13510335 Jim in Fairfax said:

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Paul Sabin of ESPN Analytics rated all the top prospects, putting a number to the odds the player becomes an all-star, starter, bench player, or complete bust. Of the top 10 players drafted, Frank Ntilikina is the most likely to be a complete bust. He's also the most likely to be an all-star. Analytics separates Busts from All-Stars - ( New Window )

The only thing you can take away from this is that they actually don't know anything. It's a fancy way of saying they have no idea.

In comment 13510535 RetroJint said:

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coming season, they should have taken Monk. If you presume no Anthony, where are the points coming from? They might be better off on a 2 or 3 year projection, but 17-18 looks like a 20-win affair. Then, again, Jax is still weighing trading Zinger, so who knows what will happen?

If Rose is gone then I think we will see a jump in the scoring of Porzingis. Now that he is in year 3, and will clearly be the first or second option, I would be disappointed if he didn't jump up to around 22 points and 9 boards per game. I know it isn't they arent the best comps, but Dirk went from 17.5 and 6.5 boards in year 2 up to 22 and 9 in year 3. I would hope we see something similar from Kristaps. Even a guy like Greek Freak last year saw a jump in his age 21 to age 22 season where he went from a 17 and 8 up to 23 and 9.

As for the rest of Rose's scoring, if Ntilikina is going to get close to 30 minutes then I would hope he is putting up at least 13 or 14 points per game.

i dont expect him to be mich above 10 or 11 points per game jnless his finishing ability improves or they get another guard who can find him open shots...

i hope willy is the 2nd scorer but if lee is still here i expect him to be the 2nd guy

seemingly confirms McMenamin's claim they spoke briefly and didn't get anywhere (so much for deep extensive talks that were ongoing). Ainge didn't feel like Phil was serious about moving him.

- Another report said Phil insisted Noah be taken back in any offer

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seemingly confirms McMenamin's claim they spoke briefly and didn't get anywhere (so much for deep extensive talks that were ongoing). Ainge didn't feel like Phil was serious about moving him. - Another report said Phil insisted Noah be taken back in any offer

The more that comes out from this I think it's just another case of Phil trying to use the media to send a message to one of his players. He must think that this sends a message to Porzingis that nobody is "above the team," trying to put him in his place.

In comment 13510565 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 13510335 Jim in Fairfax said: Quote: Paul Sabin of ESPN Analytics rated all the top prospects, putting a number to the odds the player becomes an all-star, starter, bench player, or complete bust. Of the top 10 players drafted, Frank Ntilikina is the most likely to be a complete bust. He's also the most likely to be an all-star. Analytics separates Busts from All-Stars - ( New Window ) The only thing you can take away from this is that they actually don't know anything. It's a fancy way of saying they have no idea.

So if you can't predict something with 100% certainty, you shouldn't bother trying? I guess teams should just fire their scouts and analysts and toss all the names in a drum and pick at random.

There is a system behind this. Obviously there's a high degree of variability, and things you can't control for (future injuries, personal drive, getting hooked on drugs). But that doesn't mean you can't quantify some of it and use that to guide you.


Guide to Projection Model - ( New Window )

back then it'll become even clearer that this FO has no idea what it's doing.

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back then it'll become even clearer that this FO has no idea what it's doing.

phil said in his press conference he wamts to bjild a young team to build together..

i would be shocjed if rose come back..

i do think they offer porter a contract to try and steal him from washington

Coming back would make me sick. Sergio! Sergio! Checks off all of the boxes. Played with Willy, knows KP, good teammate, pure pg, won't be expensive, can be benched for Frank. Sergio Sergio!

In comment 13510606 DanMetroMan said:

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Coming back would make me sick. Sergio! Sergio! Checks off all of the boxes. Played with Willy, knows KP, good teammate, pure pg, won't be expensive, can be benched for Frank. Sergio Sergio!

i am good with sergio, would he come abck to new yoek though?

How can any of us have any faith whatsoever in the Knicks? I feel like the Knicks strategy for success is to keep adding fans who are just young enough to have faith that 50 years of futility will end the season after next. Meanwhile, those of us a certain age get so discussed we slink away silently in defeat with the absolute knowledge that there is no way this team competes for a title in the next five years.

I was at a wedding this past weekend and I asked my cousin, a lifelong Knicks fan who knows the NBA and European basketball inside and out. He's younger than I am by about two decades so he's got a lot less disappointment stored up in him from this franchise. I asked him, "forget about GSW, give me a realistic scenario where the Knicks can even compete with Cleveland". So he tells me, "if they can get Monk in this draft and keep KP you bring in a few guys they have a solid shot in two seasons, maybe three".

Welp... Monk ain't coming here. Instead the Knicks are AGAIN rebuilding the franchise. And they're building in the image of the highly successful teams in todays Association. Right? Just like GSW, a team that runs the unstoppable scoring philosophy and way of life, the Triangle Offense, paired with a team comprised entirely of foreign born lanky superstars of the EU developmental league. Right? I mean... WTF? Does anyone in the Knicks organization even watch other teams in the NBA? I guess not as the Knicks seem to believe the way to build a franchise is with talent from Europe that can run the infallible and revolutionary Triangle Offense. Why even bother with athletic ball handling Americans that can shoot? All the best ballers are in Europe. And just for good measure, let's sign some broken down aging has beens and every now and again threaten to trade our best prospect.

Has it even occurred to Dolan that the triangle offense worked great with two teams, both of which were stocked with generational players among the very best to ever play the game? Those MJ Bulls teams could have been running a the Circle Offense or the Trapezoid Offense and they would have been Champions. Note to egomaniac Phil Jackson: "it wasn't your system that was great"!

Metta World Peace, meet Malik Monk. I have a feeling you'll both occupy a similar space in the black hearts of Knicks fans for a long time.

In comment 13510335 Jim in Fairfax said:

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Paul Sabin of ESPN Analytics rated all the top prospects, putting a number to the odds the player becomes an all-star, starter, bench player, or complete bust. Of the top 10 players drafted, Frank Ntilikina is the most likely to be a complete bust. He's also the most likely to be an all-star. Analytics separates Busts from All-Stars - ( New Window )

If you play very good d, which he does and you have a very good 3 pt shot, which he does, you're not going to be a complete bust.

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In comment 13510606 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Coming back would make me sick. Sergio! Sergio! Checks off all of the boxes. Played with Willy, knows KP, good teammate, pure pg, won't be expensive, can be benched for Frank. Sergio Sergio! i am good with sergio, would he come abck to new yoek though?

I haven't seen any indication otherwise. He's also close with Willy (in addition to being former teammates). Ideally 1 year with a second year team option but 1 year at an inflated AAV works for me. 10.6 assists per 48, 37% from 3. I see literally zero downside to bringing in a consummate pro like Sergio. I won't pretend I know if he's going to really want to "mentor" someone (that's something fans place on vets without knowing their personality) but I do believe the "pure PG" skills he has would be good for a developing PG (Franky) to see up close.

At the end of the day I'm a Knicks fan so I have to accept whatever they do. I will root for Frank and I see a solid base of skills. I do believe his rookie year is going to be somewhat "disappointing" given the MASSIVE upgrade in talent he will be facing. Fran can make any claim he wants, the talent in the French A league is awful and anyone who watched the game yesterday will confirm this.

In comment 13510595 Jim in Fairfax said:

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In comment 13510565 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: In comment 13510335 Jim in Fairfax said: Quote: Paul Sabin of ESPN Analytics rated all the top prospects, putting a number to the odds the player becomes an all-star, starter, bench player, or complete bust. Of the top 10 players drafted, Frank Ntilikina is the most likely to be a complete bust. He's also the most likely to be an all-star. Analytics separates Busts from All-Stars - ( New Window ) The only thing you can take away from this is that they actually don't know anything. It's a fancy way of saying they have no idea. So if you can't predict something with 100% certainty, you shouldn't bother trying? I guess teams should just fire their scouts and analysts and toss all the names in a drum and pick at random. There is a system behind this. Obviously there's a high degree of variability, and things you can't control for (future injuries, personal drive, getting hooked on drugs). But that doesn't mean you can't quantify some of it and use that to guide you. Guide to Projection Model - ( New Window )

No, I get trying. What I'm saying is that when you get a result like that, as opposed to the more definitive results for the more easily scoutable players, it tells me that you just don't have the same level of information on that guy.

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How can any of us have any faith whatsoever in the Knicks? I feel like the Knicks strategy for success is to keep adding fans who are just young enough to have faith that 50 years of futility will end the season after next. Meanwhile, those of us a certain age get so discussed we slink away silently in defeat with the absolute knowledge that there is no way this team competes for a title in the next five years. I was at a wedding this past weekend and I asked my cousin, a lifelong Knicks fan who knows the NBA and European basketball inside and out. He's younger than I am by about two decades so he's got a lot less disappointment stored up in him from this franchise. I asked him, "forget about GSW, give me a realistic scenario where the Knicks can even compete with Cleveland". So he tells me, "if they can get Monk in this draft and keep KP you bring in a few guys they have a solid shot in two seasons, maybe three". Welp... Monk ain't coming here. Instead the Knicks are AGAIN rebuilding the franchise. And they're building in the image of the highly successful teams in todays Association. Right? Just like GSW, a team that runs the unstoppable scoring philosophy and way of life, the Triangle Offense, paired with a team comprised entirely of foreign born lanky superstars of the EU developmental league. Right? I mean... WTF? Does anyone in the Knicks organization even watch other teams in the NBA? I guess not as the Knicks seem to believe the way to build a franchise is with talent from Europe that can run the infallible and revolutionary Triangle Offense. Why even bother with athletic ball handling Americans that can shoot? All the best ballers are in Europe. And just for good measure, let's sign some broken down aging has beens and every now and again threaten to trade our best prospect. Has it even occurred to Dolan that the triangle offense worked great with two teams, both of which were stocked with generational players among the very best to ever play the game? Those MJ Bulls teams could have been running a the Circle Offense or the Trapezoid Offense and they would have been Champions. Note to egomaniac Phil Jackson: "it wasn't your system that was great"! Metta World Peace, meet Malik Monk. I have a feeling you'll both occupy a similar space in the black hearts of Knicks fans for a long time.

You're upset. Let's just calm down. For one thing, the NBA is littered with failed athletic american born players too. Not sure where the idea came to your mind that drafting US-born players is somehow any percentage more of a sure thing. Especially how successful european players have been in the NBA, and for this team in the past 10 years specifically.

can't believe the Warriors got Bell for cash. I would have taken him over Dotson (and I like Dotson). Would have loved adding Bell at that price. Also love the Cameron Oliver pick up by the Rockets.

And was wondering what he was getting at.


Elbow Lee...

Arm Lee.... R. Lee Ermey?




And I've heard it pronounced two ways. Knee-Luh-Kee-Nuh and Tee-Luh-Kee-Nuh

In-Til-Ee-Key-Nuh

nee-Lee-Key-na per Frank himself thus ending the "debate"

of the writers had him sound it out and came out similarly

"Ni-lee-kina"

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Is this the official team? Surprised Willy would play. I also never want to see NDour after he cost the Knicks draft position.

is not on that list either.

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In comment 13510617 trueblueinpw said: You're upset. Let's just calm down. For one thing, the NBA is littered with failed athletic american born players too. Not sure where the idea came to your mind that drafting US-born players is somehow any percentage more of a sure thing. Especially how successful european players have been in the NBA, and for this team in the past 10 years specifically.

TTH, of course I'm upset. The Knicks are currently among the least respected professional sports franchises across all sports. I mean, if I'm the Jets GM I'm laughing at the Knicks. If I'm the owner of the Browns, I can mock James Dolan. The Knicks are clown show. They are a bottom of the barrel basketball team with absolutely no chance to compete for a title in the next 5 years. Zero. There's no imaginable scenario where the Knicks win a Championship in the next 5 years. This draft didn't bring us any closer to respectability. A French kid that can run the triangle? You've got to be kidding me.

The French kid might be a solid player in a few years. Obviously I can't say he's a bust. But this is a lottery pick - you go for greatness - not a solid player who can hide in Europe for a few years and then have as a role player.

As far as picking a European, color me a basketball bigot. I think the best ballers are right here in the USA. Malik Monk and Smith play meaningful minutes in the NBA next season. Our guy from France? I don't know... And the numbers would clearly indicate that the best of the best - the best players in the NBA - are almost always reared right here in the good old USA. You gonna tell me the US is producing top soccer athletes? Where do you find the best football players?

Talk me off the ledge. I beg you, tell me how the Knicks are respectable in the next two to three seasons? Honestly, it just makes me more and more upset. I think Jackson is ruining this franchise with his ridiculous ego. If the Knicks are competitive over the next five years, you can be the first to tell me "I told you so".

What greatness was available at 8?

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What greatness was available at 8?

Smith or Monk. Just at the guard position. Maybe not future HOF players but they'll play meaningful minutes next year.

How's this work in the brilliant Knicks draft war planning sessions? "Hey Jimbo, looks like we're 8 in the lottery this year. Who do like in the French developmental league"? Holly smokes! Anyone defending Phil Jackson has to be either delusional or employed by MSG (wait, is that redundant?).

Hope I'm wrong and Frank is 5 time NBA Champion (with the Knicks please). Doubt it though. You know, just based on 50 years of futility.

In comment 13510799 trueblueinpw said:

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In comment 13510789 XBRONX said: Quote: What greatness was available at 8? Smith or Monk. Just at the guard position. Maybe not future HOF players but they'll play meaningful minutes next year. How's this work in the brilliant Knicks draft war planning sessions? "Hey Jimbo, looks like we're 8 in the lottery this year. Who do like in the French developmental league"? Holly smokes! Anyone defending Phil Jackson has to be either delusional or employed by MSG (wait, is that redundant?). Hope I'm wrong and Frank is 5 time NBA Champion (with the Knicks please). Doubt it though. You know, just based on 50 years of futility.

Even as a fan of Monk the stupidity on here is pretty insane. I'm glad you're more qualified to scout than successful Knicks scouts. Surprise you reserve your talents for football message boards if you know so much about the industry.

Frank was a mocked top 10 pick since last year so don't get your panties in your bunch. Don't be a dumbass.

have the answer, how many 6'3" shooting guards are there in the NBA?

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have the answer, how many 6'3" shooting guards are there in the NBA?

In terms of starters:

Avery Bradley
Garry Harris is 6'4

That's all I could find.

I think the Knicks would have taken Monk and played him at PG, but that has way more question marks than Frank does IMO.

thing prospect. People are acting like we passed up Ray Allen when in reality it's much more likely he ends up being Ben Gordon.

Never mind. Alls well in Knicksland. The "successful Knicks scouts" got this. Gonna lean back now and watch the Championships roll into MSG.

Is that question about the height of shooting for me? Not sure why it would be. Like everyone else, I had monk and smith at the 1 not the 2.

Since we're making lists, how about a list of all the great NBA players from France? I'd suggest we list all the great players from Europe but, whoa, that list would be really long.

In comment 13510816 trueblueinpw said:

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Never mind. Alls well in Knicksland. The "successful Knicks scouts" got this. Gonna lean back now and watch the Championships roll into MSG. Is that question about the height of shooting for me? Not sure why it would be. Like everyone else, I had monk and smith at the 1 not the 2. Since we're making lists, how about a list of all the great NBA players from France? I'd suggest we list all the great players from Europe but, whoa, that list would be really long.

Succesful French players: Batum, Fournier, Parker, Diaw, Gobert

Successful 6'3 guards with no playmaking or defensive ability: ????

Said he's "looking forward to learning how to play defense."

In comment 13510816 trueblueinpw said:

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Never mind. Alls well in Knicksland. The "successful Knicks scouts" got this. Gonna lean back now and watch the Championships roll into MSG. Is that question about the height of shooting for me? Not sure why it would be. Like everyone else, I had monk and smith at the 1 not the 2. Since we're making lists, how about a list of all the great NBA players from France? I'd suggest we list all the great players from Europe but, whoa, that list would be really long.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but hasn't the current scouting staff brought us KP and Willy from Europe? You can criticize the Knicks and this FO for a LOT, but their Euro scouting definitely isn't part of that.

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In comment 13510816 trueblueinpw said: Quote: Never mind. Alls well in Knicksland. The "successful Knicks scouts" got this. Gonna lean back now and watch the Championships roll into MSG. Is that question about the height of shooting for me? Not sure why it would be. Like everyone else, I had monk and smith at the 1 not the 2. Since we're making lists, how about a list of all the great NBA players from France? I'd suggest we list all the great players from Europe but, whoa, that list would be really long. Succesful French players: Batum, Fournier, Parker, Diaw, Gobert Successful 6'3 guards with no playmaking or defensive ability: ????

So Monk and Smith are gonna both bust out of the NBA because they can't make plays or play defense as 6'3" 1s? But the kid who averaged 5 points in France? He's gonna be a star? Ok, hope you're right. Also, the guys you listed weren't top ten picks. Frank at 25? Sign me up!

And once again, I don't think Frank is going to bust out, yes, I read the scouting reports on him and I think he'll play in the NBA someday. I think he'll be a nice player. But he isn't likely to play next year. And part of why many people think he was picked is due to fitting in the triangle offense. I do think the triangle offense is ridiculous. I do think Phil Jackson is ruining the Knicks with his absurd faith in a bygone system that was propelled by four or five of the greatest NBA players of all time.

Look I hope I'm wrong and Frank is a star and brings us many many NBA Championships (the first in my lifetime). But I can't believe I'm being made out to be a fool for suggesting the Knicks don't know what the fuck they're doing. Seriously, we're talking about the same Knicks here right?

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I don't have a dog in this fight, but hasn't the current scouting staff brought us KP and Willy from Europe? You can criticize the Knicks and this FO for a LOT, but their Euro scouting definitely isn't part of that.

A fair point. I assume the Knicks European "successful scouts" signed off on the trade with Philly for Willy. But he was drafted at 35 and had more experience and his size made him less of a gamble.

I'd say the jury is still out on KP as the 4th pick over all. I have already said I was wrong about him on draft day. But yes, he's a legit franchise player from Europe. And I suppose the Knicks "successful scouts" get credit for that pick.

In comment 13510841 trueblueinpw said:

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In comment 13510832 giants#1 said: Quote: I don't have a dog in this fight, but hasn't the current scouting staff brought us KP and Willy from Europe? You can criticize the Knicks and this FO for a LOT, but their Euro scouting definitely isn't part of that. A fair point. I assume the Knicks European "successful scouts" signed off on the trade with Philly for Willy. But he was drafted at 35 and had more experience and his size made him less of a gamble. I'd say the jury is still out on KP as the 4th pick over all. I have already said I was wrong about him on draft day. But yes, he's a legit franchise player from Europe. And I suppose the Knicks "successful scouts" get credit for that pick.

No, that jury is not still out.

Per Begley.

Not sure if posted

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In comment 13510816 trueblueinpw said: Quote: Never mind. Alls well in Knicksland. The "successful Knicks scouts" got this. Gonna lean back now and watch the Championships roll into MSG. Is that question about the height of shooting for me? Not sure why it would be. Like everyone else, I had monk and smith at the 1 not the 2. Since we're making lists, how about a list of all the great NBA players from France? I'd suggest we list all the great players from Europe but, whoa, that list would be really long. I don't have a dog in this fight, but hasn't the current scouting staff brought us KP and Willy from Europe? You can criticize the Knicks and this FO for a LOT, but their Euro scouting definitely isn't part of that.

It goes further back than that. Gallinari and Prigioni were two other finds you can credit to scouting.

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I'd say the jury is still out on KP as the 4th pick over all. I have already said I was wrong about him on draft day. But yes, he's a legit franchise player from Europe. And I suppose the Knicks "successful scouts" get credit for that pick. No, that jury is not still out.

You're right. My frustration is with all the trade talk not KPs production.

Which isn't horrible

I'm hoping for Rondo with a amazing good persons Brain and a much better shot

both are playing for tgeir national tram this summer and both have guaranteed contracts, and willy is going to be the starting center

In comment 13510853 DennyInDenville said:

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Which isn't horrible I'm hoping for Rondo with a amazing good persons Brain and a much better shot

if he becomes rondo with a jump shot i think everyone will be very happy

about (finally) building a young team to grow together is true than I like the pick. This kid is so young there really is no way to guess his ceiling. Playing PG is more about instincts decision making being a leader a lot of intangibles. Also in this case how well goes he fit with KP?

If the focus on team building is now different (building as opposed to win now mentality) Jackson may be better at putting building blocks together than quick fixes.

They've been pathetic for some time. And he needs to have better communication with Melo and KP. Let's see how this plays out.

In comment 13510837 trueblueinpw said:

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In comment 13510818 Jon in NYC said: Quote: In comment 13510816 trueblueinpw said: Quote: Never mind. Alls well in Knicksland. The "successful Knicks scouts" got this. Gonna lean back now and watch the Championships roll into MSG. Is that question about the height of shooting for me? Not sure why it would be. Like everyone else, I had monk and smith at the 1 not the 2. Since we're making lists, how about a list of all the great NBA players from France? I'd suggest we list all the great players from Europe but, whoa, that list would be really long. Succesful French players: Batum, Fournier, Parker, Diaw, Gobert Successful 6'3 guards with no playmaking or defensive ability: ???? So Monk and Smith are gonna both bust out of the NBA because they can't make plays or play defense as 6'3" 1s? But the kid who averaged 5 points in France? He's gonna be a star? Ok, hope you're right. Also, the guys you listed weren't top ten picks. Frank at 25? Sign me up!

That is my issue with Monk, not Smith. Smith has a higher likelihood of being a good starter, but there are still many questions with his health, but more importantly, his mentality and aptitude, as Phil would put it.

And if you think the "jury is out" on KP, then this is not a discussion worth having.

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Per Begley. Not sure if posted

It was not, thank you for the link.

Good shooter, athlete. Nice player, but turning 25, which is his big knock.

Then I guess there's no reason to think they might be a good starter in the NBA.

Already explained my comment on KP, my frustration with that pick isn't KPs play it's the ass monkey who's shopping him around. But you're right, it's not a conversation worth having. You, and apparently a lot of other good BBI posters have a lot more faith in the Knicks than I do. Nothing would make me happier than being totally and completely wrong about the course of the Knicks.

He was picked 4th and he is either the 1st or 2nd best player in that draft. Enough said.

Like we sniped Riley
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In comment 13510878 trueblueinpw said:

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Then I guess there's no reason to think they might be a good starter in the NBA. Already explained my comment on KP, my frustration with that pick isn't KPs play it's the ass monkey who's shopping him around. But you're right, it's not a conversation worth having. You, and apparently a lot of other good BBI posters have a lot more faith in the Knicks than I do. Nothing would make me happier than being totally and completely wrong about the course of the Knicks.

I don't necessarily have great faith in the Knicks. I for sure don't have great faith in your logic or scouting abilities. That is all. Nothing more nothing less

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Like we sniped Riley Link - ( New Window )

No idea if he has NBA level talent. But his skill set is optimal both for the triangle and the modern NBA.

In comment 13510896 Carl in CT said:

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He was picked 4th and he is either the 1st or 2nd best player in that draft. Enough said.

There is no way in hell KP is better than KAT, who averaged 25 pts and 12 rebounds. It is not even close right now.

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In comment 13510896 Carl in CT said: Quote: He was picked 4th and he is either the 1st or 2nd best player in that draft. Enough said. There is no way in hell KP is better than KAT, who averaged 25 pts and 12 rebounds. It is not even close right now.

The top 10 in that draft look pretty bad already.

KAT
Russell
Okafor
KP
Hezonja
Cauley-Stein
Mudiay
Don't know about Stanley Johnson. Frank is okay. Lol at Winslow.

Looks pretty bad a few years later. You can only laugh when people complain they think a guy is only potentially as good as George Hill, a guy who was a borderline all star for a 50 win team. If Frank ends up on the same level as Hill, we should be THRILLED. There is a greater then 90% chance neither Monk nor Smith ever pan out to that level.

Looks pretty bad a few years later. You can only laugh when people complain they think a guy is only potentially as good as George Hill, a guy who was a borderline all star for a 50 win team. If Frank ends up on the same level as Hill, we should be THRILLED. There is a greater then 90% chance neither Monk nor Smith ever pan out to that level.

Over Monk but not DSJ...I think DSJ is going to be a stadr

17+ point scorer in the league all day.

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Anakim, Do you know where did this roster come from? It's not on the Knicks website & it doesn't have Kornet on it. I think I read Willy & Kuz were playing with national teams this summer. Don't think this is legit!

In comment 13510940 Sgrcts said:

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Looks pretty bad a few years later. You can only laugh when people complain they think a guy is only potentially as good as George Hill, a guy who was a borderline all star for a 50 win team. If Frank ends up on the same level as Hill, we should be THRILLED. There is a greater then 90% chance neither Monk nor Smith ever pan out to that level.

This x100.

If Frank can put up 14-5-5 with great defense and 3 pt shooting, that's an immensely valuable player.

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17+ point scorer in the league all day.

the question with monk, will it be effecient 17 a game or is it going to be a chuckfest...

amd this is someone qho would of been thrilled with monk, if he can play the 1 he has a greater chance of being a star, at the 2 i think he is 6th man

The question is more is he a instant offense guy or someone you play 30 plus minutes a game because he becomes a plus defender or can play some 1.

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The question is more is he a instant offense guy or someone you play 30 plus minutes a game because he becomes a plus defender or can play some 1.

Agree with this.

He'll be at least a semi-efficient scorer. The question is can he give you anything else. If not, how valuable is that 17 PPG really?

rose exoects to meet with knicks before july 1st but his agent mentions that twolves are very interested also said reason trade did not go down was because they didnt want a rental in rose..

maybe a sign and trade of rose for rubio will happen?

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rose exoects to meet with knicks before july 1st but his agent mentions that twolves are very interested also said reason trade did not go down was because they didnt want a rental in rose.. maybe a sign and trade of rose for rubio will happen?

Don't the Wolves have cap room?

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In comment 13510976 nygiants16 said: Quote: rose exoects to meet with knicks before july 1st but his agent mentions that twolves are very interested also said reason trade did not go down was because they didnt want a rental in rose.. maybe a sign and trade of rose for rubio will happen? Don't the Wolves have cap room?

yeah but why have both? and if you do sign and trade you can. add rose and still have the cap room

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In comment 13510980 Jon in NYC said: Quote: In comment 13510976 nygiants16 said: Quote: rose exoects to meet with knicks before july 1st but his agent mentions that twolves are very interested also said reason trade did not go down was because they didnt want a rental in rose.. maybe a sign and trade of rose for rubio will happen? Don't the Wolves have cap room? yeah but why have both? and if you do sign and trade you can. add rose and still have the cap room

Why give Rubio away for free? Come on man haha be realistic.

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In comment 13510982 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 13510980 Jon in NYC said: Quote: In comment 13510976 nygiants16 said: Quote: rose exoects to meet with knicks before july 1st but his agent mentions that twolves are very interested also said reason trade did not go down was because they didnt want a rental in rose.. maybe a sign and trade of rose for rubio will happen? Don't the Wolves have cap room? yeah but why have both? and if you do sign and trade you can. add rose and still have the cap room Why give Rubio away for free? Come on man haha be realistic.

you would probably have to add a 2nd round pivk or something...

it doesnt make sense though for the wolves to have noth rubio and rose, unless it is jist roses agent to drum up interest

I give Rubio a shot with butler.
Too many mouths to feed if they take rose- and Rubio with all those options should be dynamic as he was in second half of the season.

Rubio would be a great get imo for knicks

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I give Rubio a shot with butler. Too many mouths to feed if they take rose- and Rubio with all those options should be dynamic as he was in second half of the season. Rubio would be a great get imo for knicks

agreed doesnt make sense to add rose...

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I give Rubio a shot with butler. Too many mouths to feed if they take rose- and Rubio with all those options should be dynamic as he was in second half of the season. Rubio would be a great get imo for knicks

Butler also had a successful season with rondo at point this past year, who is essentially a poor mans Rubio at this point. Spacing isn't ideal but Wiggins is a better 3 point shooter than wade and KAT (and even dieng) have range out to the 3.

Some good points about why not to have passed on Monk. Well, I think they're good points, and what do I know questioning the highly successful and well run Knicks organization. Those with faith in the Knicks "successful scouts" and Zen Master need not bother reading.

Regarding resigning Rose, might good to keep him around to mentor Dotson on the NBA dating scene.
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On NJ.com. The website that goes on about the eagles great SB chances year in year out.

FYI I wanted monk. But I have no evidence that he will turn out better than frank. Let's not pretend he was a guaranteed lock at 8. He fell 3 spots farther, behind a guy with questionable knee health and a team that stocked on yet another center. If you're so confident that monk is going to be better than all the guys taken ahead of them why not just wait for SL and the season to play out rather than trying to convince everyone right now through fucking New Jersey .com articles?

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Some good points about why not to have passed on Monk. Well, I think they're good points, and what do I know questioning the highly successful and well run Knicks organization. Those with faith in the Knicks "successful scouts" and Zen Master need not bother reading. Regarding resigning Rose, might good to keep him around to mentor Dotson on the NBA dating scene. NJcom on Passing on Monk - ( New Window )

You are making this thread very difficult to continue reading. The constant whining about players you know absolutely nothing about is getting incredibly tedious. Can we let this play out for awhile? You couldn't pick any of these players out of a lineup. Just stop. No matter how awful the Knicks have been, I will trust their opinions over yours every single time. We get it. You think Frenchy sucks because you watched some YouTube video of him and Monk is going to the hall of fame. Because you've heard his name on Sportcenter. Can we move on now? The miserable negativity about something NONE of us know anything about is tired.

but a good scoring 2. I still like Frank better for his versatility. He's also a good shooter, but he's very good defensively, can play 2 positions and is very good in ball movement.

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but a good scoring 2. I still like Frank better for his versatility. He's also a good shooter, but he's very good defensively, can play 2 positions and is very good in ball movement.

I think Monk will be more Ben Gordon than Ray Allen. More of an instant offense guy off the bench, can get by with him at the 2 if you have a taller PG to help out defensively, and has just enough play making ability to play the 1 for short stretches if needed. Another guy he reminds me of is a short JR Smith, limitless range, super athletic but has a tendency to settle for the jumper rather than use his athleticism to get to the rim.

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You are making this thread very difficult to continue reading. The constant whining about players you know absolutely nothing about is getting incredibly tedious. Can we let this play out for awhile? You couldn't pick any of these players out of a lineup. Just stop. No matter how awful the Knicks have been, I will trust their opinions over yours every single time. We get it. You think Frenchy sucks because you watched some YouTube video of him and Monk is going to the hall of fame. Because you've heard his name on Sportcenter. Can we move on now? The miserable negativity about something NONE of us know anything about is tired.

Sorry Shock, didn't realize this was the thread where we all get together to applaud the great work of Phil Jackson. Seriously, if anyone asked me a week ago if I could round up 10 people who had faith in Jackson I would have said no way. I'll step aside now so guys can bask in the obvious unquestionable glory of this draft. See you at the Championship parade!

tell me why you think monk or smith are going to bw better playerz than frank...

i am not even saying they arent going to be, but you seem so sire, why?

not one person has said frank is going to be a superstar, every person has said there is no way to tell right now...

You're coming off like a straight up lunatic.

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tell me why you think monk or smith are going to bw better playerz than frank... i am not even saying they arent going to be, but you seem so sire, why? not one person has said frank is going to be a superstar, every person has said there is no way to tell right now...

Exactly. Not one single person has claimed that without a doubt, Frank will be the better player. People just want to take a wait and see approach. The only ones talking in absolutes are the ones absolutely certain that the Knicks made the wrong choice. Then this guy makes false statements about how everyone that isn't immediately bashing the choice before seeing it play out are apparently Phil apologists and proclaiming championships. When in doubt, make shit up to fit the narrative!

was about Phil being pissed that people didnt have a harder time saying or pronouncing "Porzingis". So here comes a guy with a silent "T".

Dont over think this.

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was about Phil being pissed that people didnt have a harder time saying or pronouncing "Porzingis". So here comes a guy with a silent "T". Dont over think this.

haha people are joking this is going to send clyde into full retirement..

I'm not making things up and I'm not calling people names. I didn't say Frank would be a bust. I explained who and why I would have rather picked.

But don't you or anyone else let this get in the ranting against me for - gasp - posting an opinion on the Knicks draft in a thread about - of all things - the Knicks draft.

Now I'm happy to leave the rest of you to rub each other's backs while evaluating the latest accomplishments of this wonderful Knicks organization.

Rosen on cue putting out an article about the merits of re-signing Derrick Rose

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Rosen on cue putting out an article about the merits of re-signing Derrick Rose

Wow. That would be a nightmare

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I'm not making things up and I'm not calling people names. I didn't say Frank would be a bust. I explained who and why I would have rather picked. But don't you or anyone else let this get in the ranting against me for - gasp - posting an opinion on the Knicks draft in a thread about - of all things - the Knicks draft. Now I'm happy to leave the rest of you to rub each other's backs while evaluating the latest accomplishments of this wonderful Knicks organization.

It's been three days of you saying the same exact thing. Don't know what the point is at this juncture. Not to mention, despite Knicks threads seemingly always coming down to two extremes, theres a difference between optimism about a pick and sycophantic obedience to the will of Phil and dolan.

there was a time in the beginning of the season where i wanted rose back but now there is no reason, knicks should be tanking next seaskn he doesnt fit...

i think if he does bring him back, going by what he said, i think he would be the 2 guard as the slasher scorer, if knicks were closer to competing he would be a fit at that position but knicks are not ready for that yet

Rose won Phil over during the exit interview? What is it with Phil and exit interviews? Rose is gonna play how he plays, and there's no way Hornacek is gonna bench him for guys like Frank and Baker if his job is at stake. If Rose is here it's another half rebuild/half compete mentality that has plagued us since Phil arrived.

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have locked up another 50 loss season next year. They drafted yet another foreigner that is not ready to help them win right away. Great move. We will wait for him to blossom into a back up point guard in three years while the Knicks remain in the cellar. This team is a joke.

I'm willing to bet that you completely blasted the KP and Gomez picks. Wtf does being a foreign player have to do with a negative outlook for this franchise? You know nothing about the player. You should know that dozens and dozens of euro league players are making their mark all over the NBA. Some are dominant.

Your post is a joke.

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In comment 13509115 averagejoe said: Quote: have locked up another 50 loss season next year. They drafted yet another foreigner that is not ready to help them win right away. Great move. We will wait for him to blossom into a back up point guard in three years while the Knicks remain in the cellar. This team is a joke. I'm willing to bet that you completely blasted the KP and Gomez picks. Wtf does being a foreign player have to do with a negative outlook for this franchise? You know nothing about the player. You should know that dozens and dozens of euro league players are making their mark all over the NBA. Some are dominant. Your post is a joke.

and another thing if they lose 50 games who gives a shit?

if you have a bunch of young guys growing together and buulding for the future through the draft then who cares if they lose...

Something tells me "averagejoe" probably shouldn't spend too much time behind a keyboard. Or talking. Just stay in moms basement with minimum contact to the outside world. It's best for everyone.

Not who I would say is any kind of Knicks home.


http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-sunday-knicks-emerge-from-2017-nba-draft-as-winners/

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Not who I would say is any kind of Knicks home. http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-sunday-knicks-emerge-from-2017-nba-draft-as-winners/

i am introgued by dotson, i thibk the rapr allegation rrally atuck with him and he got no love in the draft process, phil supoosedly met with him yesterday...

if he can come in and shoot 40 percent from 3 and be a scorer off the bench thag would be fantastic...

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In comment 13511315 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: Not who I would say is any kind of Knicks home. http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-sunday-knicks-emerge-from-2017-nba-draft-as-winners/ i am introgued by dotson, i thibk the rapr allegation rrally atuck with him and he got no love in the draft process, phil supoosedly met with him yesterday... if he can come in and shoot 40 percent from 3 and be a scorer off the bench thag would be fantastic...

Can you repeat that? In English please. Lol

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In comment 13511317 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 13511315 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: Not who I would say is any kind of Knicks home. http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-sunday-knicks-emerge-from-2017-nba-draft-as-winners/ i am introgued by dotson, i thibk the rapr allegation rrally atuck with him and he got no love in the draft process, phil supoosedly met with him yesterday... if he can come in and shoot 40 percent from 3 and be a scorer off the bench thag would be fantastic... Can you repeat that? In English please. Lol

lol i hate typing on my phone..

i said i am intrigued by dotson, i think the rape allegation 3 years ago stuck with him and a lot of teams did not want to touch him.

if he can shoot 40 percent from 3 and be a scorer off the bench that would be fantastic

can fill the Holiday role. He wasn't my first choice with the pick but he could be a nice role player.

is Xavier Rathan-Mayes from Florida State. At least according to a Florida State assistant coach.

Expected to be stashed this year. Makes sense. He has major holes to his game and needs PT. I want to tank as much as the next guy but generally you don't see raw euro players at the end of a bench

to be an underrated guy that helps this team win games. I hope his stats and are misleading. All I want is a team first PG that stops opposing guards from putting on a show every fucking night they play the Knicks. Let Monk light up the NBA. I want a guy that flies under the radar and helps the Knicks win. We need that player more than anything.