Very solid draft for the Knicks. I give it a solid B. I know most of you don't love Frank, but I think we'll be very happy with what he provides long term.
Since we've beaten the Frank talk to death, I thought it would be helpful to talk about some other guys and look at the roster construction.
With their first 2nd rounder, they took Damyean Dotson.
6'6, 44% 3PT shooter, solid athlete, seems to have upside as a passer and defender. Major knocks are that he's already 23 and has limited shot creating ability. Seems like he could step into the role Justin Holiday had.
With their second 2nd, they took Ognjen Jaramaz
Seems to be a plus athlete with good size and handle, but a subpar shooter. Probably unlikely he plays in the NBA next year but who knows.
They also signed Nigel Hayes who I think has a real shot at making the team. Smart kid, good passer, rebounder, defender. Can't shoot a lick. Good 15th man, good locker room presence.
And Luke Kornet, who seems to be able to shoot and block shots, but do practically nothing else. Apparently he signed a two way contract, so they can just bring him back and forth between NYK and Westchester? I'm honestly not quite sure how these things work. It's a new rule I believe.
Here's a crack at the current depth chart:
C. Willy/Noah/KOQ/Plumlee
PF. KP/Lance/Ndour
SF. Melo/Kuz/Hayes
SG. Lee/Dotson
PG. Frank/Randle
Woof. That is one trashy NBA roster. But that's okay.
Next step has to be moving Melo imo. Rebuild around a KP/Frank/Willy core, tank, and use the next top pick they get to bring on a high profile scorer.
hah yes it is.
He was a monster.
Another travel by Frank.
Keep this in mind when talking about Frank's production.
Suns get Aldridge
Knicks get miami 1st Rd pick owner by Suns or Bledsoe.
Bledsoe can be trade deadline for a pick in worst case scenario.
That seems like a fairly absurd generalization.
Either way, there's far more to like than dislike after today's performance. He led the team in +/- despite being the youngest player by roughly 7 years and playing after a red eye flight.
-Release is somewhat slow but his shot looks to be legit, I don't have any real doubt given his release not being an issue that he'll knock down open 3's
-Showed decent acceleration in the open court
- Seems like he could stand to be even more aggressive on both ends. He made a sweet steal jumping the passing lane.
-Ball handling was sub-par for the NBA PG position
-Made a few nice passes, a few dumb ones
-I predict a lot of foul trouble rookie year, arms and elbows get him in trouble but at least the effort to play D is there
- Level of play in this league is garbage, Fran can make any claim he wants
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Kawhi Leonard being offered for KP is beyond ridiculous I'm sorry
If I were the Knicks and I got that offer, I'd be like, "Fuck, I had no idea he was worth that much, but if he is, I'm keeping him."
lol. You just know somehow even that would end up against us. Leonard would come here
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Jeez I'm not a fan of the pick but you're writing him off like that? Not even going to watch him in a week in summer league before that?
It's not like all the other guards were flaw-free. After seeing the knee stuff with DSJ that scared the shit out of me. Monk and DSJ probably have more questions on defense than Frank as well. I liked Mitchell to Frank as well but Michell 1.) Isn't a PG either 2.) Struggles finishing in the paint as well and 3.) Has just a questionable a shot.
I don't think Frank will be a PG but his playmaking will be a plus at the 2 guard spot. If he becomes a George Hill or Batum then thats historically an above average selection for where they pick. It's not superstar, but can be another complimentary piece. The hope is that we get a top 5 pick next year, another star next to KP. Frank and Willy will compliment the 2.
why do you need a player right away? that makes zero sense, this is not some 1 year rebuild..
plus how do you know monk and smith can make a day 1 impact?
Your opinion is your opinion, but let's not suggest that Frank wasn't expected to be a top 10 pick. Some of these arguments against the pick sound like people think the Knicks overdrafted a player expected to go in the 20s.
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2020? Gee thanks! By then the Lakers will have PG and LeBron and that pick will be useless.
you have no idea what a guy can become...
And that isn't good drafting anyway. If this is the philosophy you wanted to run your team by, then you draft Frank Kaminsky, not Porzingis, because one is safer and the more immediate help. But it wouldn't be the right decision.
Yeah...this logic is dumb as shit. Jahlil Okafor and Mudiay were supposed to be "instant impacts". This isn't stuff you can really judge right away. KP wasn't "NBA Ready". There's no track record for these labels in accurately depicting actual NBA performance.
Just stop. You know less than NOTHING about how any of these guys will turn out. I hope you get this whining off your chest now and don't litter every Knicks thread for the next 6 months with this crap. Can we watch it play out before anointing him a bust and making reservations for the hall of fame for the other 3 super studs?
I don't believe he drops further than 15.
My point is I don't think he is a reach and most believe he belongs in the top 10. He has lottery talent and what I have heard a strong work ethic.
Let's see how he turns out over the next 3 years.
I don't believe he drops further than 15.
My point is I don't think he is a reach and most believe he belongs in the top 10. He has lottery talent and what I have heard a strong work ethic.
Let's see how he turns out over the next 3 years.
15? The Mavs would have taken him at 9.
again how do you know he will never be elite?
you have no idea what he will become...
you are talking in absolutes like you can see the future...
did you know kawhi leonard would be a star? paul george? jimmy butler? tony parker? manu ginobli? stephen curry? klay thompson? draymond green?
you are writing off an 18 year old kid that you have not watched plag a single minute
and no one on the list i gave you was prkjected to be a superstar player, none..
Granted also greatest chance to bust
So, tell me all about Manu Ginobli when he was 18 years old. How crafty and smart he was. You seem to have a firm grasp on everything so this should be good
Yet with Frank it's he'll be good, because we don't know.....
But we know the other two have stopped developing at 19 and won't learn the team game because they are too athletic....they score too easily so they must hate passing.
Nobody knows. A lot is between the ears which we don't see. KP was special, I could see right away after getting over the initial disappointment of not getting Mudiay. Frank? Of course the jury is still out but gun to your head you think he will have bigger impact in the league compared to Smith and Monk?
Not me.
How do you 'know' all this?
Analytics separates Busts from All-Stars - ( New Window )
The weight room will also do him a world of good.
What he is.. a potentially dominant defender that can guard 3 positions, while spotting up off the ball from distance. I see him getting minutes at the 2, while learning the 1.
But since Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman were both killing the Knicks after the draft, my guess is that - wonder of wonders - Phil Jackson made the right move.
But since Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman were both killing the Knicks after the draft, my guess is that - wonder of wonders - Phil Jackson made the right move.
the reason people hate the pick is because they never saw him play, people wanted monk and smith because they were known names..
it is that simple, if frank played at kentucky or duke people would have no problem with the pick, it is the fear of the unknown and i get it but that is not a reason to hate a lick and say he is going to be nothing...
this is like when the giants lick someone no one has ever heard of in the 5th and everyone kills jerrh reese...
they were never going to unless someone came with a crazy offer, yet the media claims he was shopping him...
ainge said he literally tlaked to phil for 2 mins about kp and said they didnt want to move him, they just wanted to see if they could get a ceazy offer
You think they should choose among 19 year old players based on who might fit best with a band-aid? OK then.
The only thing you can take away from this is that they actually don't know anything. It's a fancy way of saying they have no idea.