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Sammo85 : 6/23/2017 7:03 am
Draft being held in Chicago. Will be on NHL Network and NBCSN. Round 1 tonight at 7pm. Remaining rounds conducted Saturday.

Devils have #1 pick. Current thinking is they go Hischier but some smoke Patrick still in play. Unlikely to trade pick and trade down unless bowled over. Some rumors Vegas may try to trade for pick. Devils supposedly very active in trade talks as well. Rumored to be talking to MTL about Galchenyuk and also Hawks about Hjalmarsson/Anisimov. Some thought Henrique may be in play.

Rangers have #21 pick. Not clear who is being targeted but could see them targeting a defenseman prospect. Quite a few should be available around there. Rumors out there Rangers also in on Galchenyuk and are dangling Stepan around the league.

Isles have no 1st rounder. Rumors abound of trying to trade Hamonic for a 1st rounder in a package. Rumors of Flames being very interested.
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so the Rangers are interested in Marleau and Thornton  
Greg from LI : 6/28/2017 2:53 pm : link
Hey, those guys who couldn't get their team over the top back when they were in their primes? Let's sign them now that they're old!
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arcarsenal : 6/28/2017 2:56 pm : link
In comment 13513905 BrettNYG10 said:
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I thought I read yesterday that NYR had interest in Marleau but I forget where I saw it.



Craig Custance‏Verified account @CraigCustance 22h22 hours ago
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Lots of interest in Patrick Marleau coming off 27-goal season. Toronto, Anaheim, NYR, SJ, Carolina, Nashville, LA all in the mix.


Thanks.

I think we could do worse than signing Marleau or Thornton short-term. We wouldn't be signing either player to be a centerpiece here and it's not like they couldn't get SJ anywhere - the team is a year removed from a SCF appearance due largely in part to those two (obviously Burns and Pavelski even moreseo)

I don't love the idea of signing older guys in a decline. I just fail to see where we're getting a productive C from right now. Gagner wouldn't be a bad option but boy are the pickin's slim.
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BrettNYG10 : 6/28/2017 2:57 pm : link


Post-season numbers.
arc,  
BrettNYG10 : 6/28/2017 2:59 pm : link
I wonder if there's a trade in the works. I recall (maybe incorrectly) that the Brass/Zibanejad trade was apparently agreed upon around the draft but wasn't completed until mid July.

Given Lundqvist's age, they need to pick a direction - go for it, or rebuild. Half-assing either direction isn't the route to take right now, where 3-4 years ago I thought it made sense to think longer-term.
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pjcas18 : 6/28/2017 3:02 pm : link
In comment 13513919 BrettNYG10 said:
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Post-season numbers.


You go ahead and build your team based on that and I'll build my team based on other factors.

I'll take Skjei, you take Smith we'll see who wins more.
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BrettNYG10 : 6/28/2017 3:14 pm : link
In comment 13513928 pjcas18 said:
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Post-season numbers.



You go ahead and build your team based on that and I'll build my team based on other factors.

I'll take Skjei, you take Smith we'll see who wins more.


I think those numbers illustrate why Skjei/Smith make such a good pairing.
RE: arc,  
arcarsenal : 6/28/2017 3:14 pm : link
In comment 13513925 BrettNYG10 said:
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I wonder if there's a trade in the works. I recall (maybe incorrectly) that the Brass/Zibanejad trade was apparently agreed upon around the draft but wasn't completed until mid July.

Given Lundqvist's age, they need to pick a direction - go for it, or rebuild. Half-assing either direction isn't the route to take right now, where 3-4 years ago I thought it made sense to think longer-term.


Certainly a possibility. I agree that they shouldn't spin their wheels somewhere in the middle.

I still feel like NYR really aren't that far from being a contender but how we address the C position is going to have a major impact on whether we get closer or further away.

I'd prefer to get a younger player - but I also think NYR with the 2015-16 version of Thornton could win. Super risky because Joe will probably fall somewhere between this past season and 2 seasons ago - but there's also the possibility that he's even worse than this past season which would be crappy.

Really hope we can find a way to unload Staal. I don't trust AV to deploy him correctly if we don't.

I still want Kovalchuk - I doubt it's realistic, though.

It makes more sense to me to really try and go for it and win now because we're much closer to that than a team that needs to tear it all down and rebuild, IMO.

Go in now, deal with being awful in a few years and hope we land a generational talent in the draft to re-spark the franchise down the road.

Or we can just sign Tavares as long as he's cool with playing 2nd fiddle to the real JT.
If I were the Rangers  
pjcas18 : 6/28/2017 3:22 pm : link
I'd go hard after Radulov.

If you get Radulov then Kovy gets more realistic too - even if it's still a pipe dream.

I want Radulov back on the Canadiens, but I'd rather they roll with Drouin and Galchenyuk than give up the significant $$$ on Radulov and lose Galchenyuk.

I don't see them signing both.

and then the Canadiens can make a play for Duchene who may not be special, but he's a legit C on the dots and a 55 - 65 pt scorer on a normal team.

I think Radulov  
bigbluehoya : 6/28/2017 3:25 pm : link
Makes zero sense for the rangers at the AAV x term being talked about.

Radulov + Kovy would basically use all available space, flies in the face of getting younger, and would preclude any additional spending on the defense, which I still think is needed.

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arcarsenal : 6/28/2017 3:26 pm : link
I have a feeling Radulov is going to get like 7-7.5 per given how shitty this FA crop is. A lot of coin for a player of his caliber.

I'd certainly take him - just going to be a bit costly, methinks.
I dont think the Rangers need to commit  
Deej : 6/28/2017 3:52 pm : link
right now to be a contender or not. They have a lot of guys who they must now ask to take on greater roles, as DG and Step are gone, Staal takes a diminishing role, and Nash turns another year older. I dont think it's crazy to sign one of the Sharks or Shatty, but I dont know that the playoff lineup needs to be in place for game one. Maybe we see if a critical mass of guys from Mika, Kreider, Hayes, Miller, Buch, Vesey, Skjei and others take a step forward, then decide.
BTW  
Carl in CT : 6/28/2017 3:59 pm : link
Smith is a second pair Dman. Not third.
RE: I think Radulov  
pjcas18 : 6/28/2017 4:02 pm : link
In comment 13513950 bigbluehoya said:
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Makes zero sense for the rangers at the AAV x term being talked about.

Radulov + Kovy would basically use all available space, flies in the face of getting younger, and would preclude any additional spending on the defense, which I still think is needed.


then why trade Stepan and buy out Girardi? to add a bunch of small questionable pieces?

I would hope they traded their first line center to use that space to sign a big fish or extend people on the team who need to be extended.

Radulov is a finisher with grit and edge. He's exactly what the Rangers need IMO. Team is way too finesse.

The Rangers don't have a ton of holes, they are a contender today, but you need a goalie to win, and after Hank who is it? A guy like Radulov on a 4 year deal that coincides with Hank is a perfect fit IMO.

If you don't go all in now when do you do it? Clock is ticking. Losing Nash next year (probably) - he'll be a FA at least, Hank getting older, McDonagh and Zuccarello UFA's year after that.

Pj  
bigbluehoya : 6/28/2017 4:20 pm : link
4 years sounds like fewer than Radulov is going to get. At 4 years, maybe I'm a little more open to the idea.

Frankly, my view of the cap space is to significantly invest in the defense. Turn the weakness into a strength.

That won't take all of the space. As for the forward group, I still think there's a trade to be made. I could see them trading a Miller or Hayes + for a 1st/2nd line C that is either overpaid on a contract with remaining term or close to UFA and extendable right now.

If no trades, can't tie up a lot of the $ for too long. Will need it very soon for Miller, Hayes, McDonagh, Zucc (or their respective replacements)

I just think that adding guys who are already 30+ for 5-6 year deals is counter-productive.

Seems like no matter how you slice it, NYR short-term contention is most dependent on forwards that are already there taking steps forward.
Radulov  
Kyle in NY : 6/28/2017 4:21 pm : link
doesn't fill the hole at center though
RE: Pj  
pjcas18 : 6/28/2017 8:14 pm : link
In comment 13514031 bigbluehoya said:
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4 years sounds like fewer than Radulov is going to get. At 4 years, maybe I'm a little more open to the idea.

Frankly, my view of the cap space is to significantly invest in the defense. Turn the weakness into a strength.

That won't take all of the space. As for the forward group, I still think there's a trade to be made. I could see them trading a Miller or Hayes + for a 1st/2nd line C that is either overpaid on a contract with remaining term or close to UFA and extendable right now.

If no trades, can't tie up a lot of the $ for too long. Will need it very soon for Miller, Hayes, McDonagh, Zucc (or their respective replacements)

I just think that adding guys who are already 30+ for 5-6 year deals is counter-productive.

Seems like no matter how you slice it, NYR short-term contention is most dependent on forwards that are already there taking steps forward.


You know my thoughts on Hayes, I'd trade him in a second, I think of JT Miller like I think of Kreider - should be a star, and if he's not a star it's his coaches fault.

but if you trade Hayes who takes his spot? Is that guy on the roster? If not you're creating another hole.

My thoughts on Radulov were Mika and Hayes are the 1C and 2C (in whatever order) and if Radulov is on the RW you can have a different level of center - you don't need a Crosby with Radulov. He's one of those lefties who prefers RW and he's sound defensively.

he's a very heady player, very physical and gets or sets up the greasy goals, but also has the skills to wow you.

It's really a shame most of his prime was spent in the KHL.

Adding a 3C is a hell of a lot easier if you already have a 1C and 2C.
RE: If I were the Rangers  
5BowlsSoon : 6/28/2017 8:50 pm : link
In comment 13513946 pjcas18 said:
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I'd go hard after Radulov.

If you get Radulov then Kovy gets more realistic too - even if it's still a pipe dream.

I want Radulov back on the Canadiens, but I'd rather they roll with Drouin and Galchenyuk than give up the significant $$$ on Radulov and lose Galchenyuk.

I don't see them signing both.

and then the Canadiens can make a play for Duchene who may not be special, but he's a legit C on the dots and a 55 - 65 pt scorer on a normal team.


I'm not a Duchene fan. I think he was something like -35 last year. Practically didn't score in second half.
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pjcas18 : 6/28/2017 8:59 pm : link
In comment 13514343 5BowlsSoon said:
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I'd go hard after Radulov.

If you get Radulov then Kovy gets more realistic too - even if it's still a pipe dream.

I want Radulov back on the Canadiens, but I'd rather they roll with Drouin and Galchenyuk than give up the significant $$$ on Radulov and lose Galchenyuk.

I don't see them signing both.

and then the Canadiens can make a play for Duchene who may not be special, but he's a legit C on the dots and a 55 - 65 pt scorer on a normal team.




I'm not a Duchene fan. I think he was something like -35 last year. Practically didn't score in second half.


I don't put much stock in numbers, especially +/-, when your team is that far out of the playoff race that soon and you're the rumor of trade talk the whole second half. I don't have much question about Duchene's abilities.

He's not an elite 1C, but he's at worst a 2C and I'd take him on my team any day. I'd even consider him just for his faceoff prowess alone.

Sometimes people don't realize how crucial having a dominant face off center is, for those late game offensive/defensive zone drops.

Duchene I believe was #1 in the NHL on the dots last year.
WTF?  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2017 9:41 am : link
Smoke? Pressure?

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Gabrielle T-F‏Verified account @gabrielletf 16m16 minutes ago

SKA St Petersburg president says the club in talks today with Ilya Kovalchuk about possible contract extension:
One of the first enforcers I remember  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2017 9:53 am : link
RIP cement head.

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Jim Matheson‏ @NHLbyMatty 14m14 minutes ago

Dave Semenko who always joked he looking out for No.1 Wayne Gretzky, has passed away after a battle with cancer
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marbles : 6/29/2017 10:23 am : link
In comment 13514346 pjcas18 said:
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I'd go hard after Radulov.

If you get Radulov then Kovy gets more realistic too - even if it's still a pipe dream.

I want Radulov back on the Canadiens, but I'd rather they roll with Drouin and Galchenyuk than give up the significant $$$ on Radulov and lose Galchenyuk.

I don't see them signing both.

and then the Canadiens can make a play for Duchene who may not be special, but he's a legit C on the dots and a 55 - 65 pt scorer on a normal team.




I'm not a Duchene fan. I think he was something like -35 last year. Practically didn't score in second half.



I don't put much stock in numbers, especially +/-, when your team is that far out of the playoff race that soon and you're the rumor of trade talk the whole second half. I don't have much question about Duchene's abilities.

He's not an elite 1C, but he's at worst a 2C and I'd take him on my team any day. I'd even consider him just for his faceoff prowess alone.

Sometimes people don't realize how crucial having a dominant face off center is, for those late game offensive/defensive zone drops.

Duchene I believe was #1 in the NHL on the dots last year.


I agree about Duchene. As as the Islanders go, he would fit perfectly as the #2 center. Duchene would not need to worry about carrying the team.

However, Sakic is looking to get a package for Duchess as if he is a #1 center.

I didn't blame him at last year's trade deadline. But, this insistence is going to backfire. The longer he waits, the less he will get, imo. Duchene alone will not return assets that will restart a franchise.

I still hope the Isles get Duchene. But the rumored deals are as far as I would go. In other words, Sakic can't have Barzal, Beauvillier, or Ho-Sang.
Not sure if this is smoke  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2017 11:02 am : link
as mentioned above, but if true I bet the Olympics played a big part in this.

NHL brass continually tries their best to F-up a great thing. Initially I thought no olympics made some sense, but the more I thought about it, that's strictly an ownership/league view. And the NHLPA should have some say and worst case the league should have used it as a bargaining chip.

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Chris Johnston‏Verified account @reporterchris

The Ilya Kovalchuk situation remains murky, but whispers have grown over the last 48 hours that he'll likely return to the KHL next season.
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pjcas18 : 6/29/2017 11:04 am : link
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Elliotte Friedman Retweeted
Slava Malamud‏ @SlavaMalamud 4m4 minutes ago

Today, SKA will make its final push to keep Kovalchuk in a face-to-face meeting. Expect literally all of the money to be thrown at him.
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pjcas18 : 6/29/2017 11:18 am : link
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Arthur Staple‏Verified account @StapeNewsday 10m10 minutes ago

#Isles have reached out to pending UFA Justin Williams, according to his agent. Long list of suitors, would be an interesting fit.


Now that his game 7 streak was broken he'd be of no interest to me.
million dollar talent  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2017 12:08 pm : link
10 cent head.

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Elliotte Friedman‏Verified account @FriedgeHNIC 5m5 minutes ago

Pouliot (EDM) on waivers today for a buyout
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arcarsenal : 6/29/2017 12:13 pm : link
Tkachyov might be worth keeping an eye on for NYR. (The winger, not the C) - I think he was supposed to attend prospect camp but had Visa issues.

He's small, but there's a lot of talent there.
RE: One of the first enforcers I remember  
pganut : 6/29/2017 1:03 pm : link
In comment 13514665 pjcas18 said:
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RIP cement head.



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Jim Matheson‏ @NHLbyMatty 14m14 minutes ago

Dave Semenko who always joked he looking out for No.1 Wayne Gretzky, has passed away after a battle with cancer


Yup, sad to see Cement Head pass on. When we had Gillies, few guys ever made me think that "Hey, Jethro needs to watch out for this guy". He was one. The Great Protector of The Great One. RIP.
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pjcas18 : 6/29/2017 1:33 pm : link
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ColumbusBlueJackets‏Verified account @BlueJacketsNHL 3m3 minutes ago

#CBJ buy out contract of left wing Scott Hartnell:
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bigbluehoya : 6/29/2017 1:35 pm : link
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ColumbusBlueJackets‏Verified account @BlueJacketsNHL 3m3 minutes ago

#CBJ buy out contract of left wing Scott Hartnell:



Before any of my fellow NYR fans toss it out there...

No.

Fuck this guy.
I'm surprised CBJ couldn't trade him.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/29/2017 1:44 pm : link
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pjcas18 : 6/29/2017 2:01 pm : link
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NMC and $4.75M cap hit the next two years. Plus he's a douche.
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BrettNYG10 : 6/29/2017 2:05 pm : link
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NMC and $4.75M cap hit the next two years. Plus he's a douche.


I wasn't aware of the NMC. He's a solid second/third liner, if CBJ ate some of that I would have thought there'd be takers.
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pjcas18 : 6/29/2017 2:08 pm : link
In comment 13515049 BrettNYG10 said:
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NMC and $4.75M cap hit the next two years. Plus he's a douche.



I wasn't aware of the NMC. He's a solid second/third liner, if CBJ ate some of that I would have thought there'd be takers.


Someone will sign him. and I agree, he's solid 3rd liner grit/sand paper guy with some skill still.
This is not news right?  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2017 2:28 pm : link
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Dave Shapiro‏ @BlueSeatBlogs 58m58 minutes ago

New post: Sources: Kevin Klein 100% retiring #NYR #NYRangers #NHL
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arcarsenal : 6/29/2017 2:30 pm : link
I think it is, in that it's definite now where it was "almost certain" before.

Saves NYR a little extra cap space, I believe. 2-3M, IIRC.
well, the story before was that he was retiring from the NHL  
Greg from LI : 6/29/2017 2:34 pm : link
But that he might play in Switzerland.
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Kyle in NY : 6/29/2017 2:38 pm : link
In comment 13515068 arcarsenal said:
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I think it is, in that it's definite now where it was "almost certain" before.

Saves NYR a little extra cap space, I believe. 2-3M, IIRC.


2.9 million. It ain't chump change. This is a pretty big break
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arcarsenal : 6/29/2017 2:42 pm : link
In comment 13515071 Kyle in NY said:
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I think it is, in that it's definite now where it was "almost certain" before.

Saves NYR a little extra cap space, I believe. 2-3M, IIRC.



2.9 million. It ain't chump change. This is a pretty big break


Yep, you can definitely put 3M to good use in this league.
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BrettNYG10 : 6/29/2017 2:52 pm : link
In comment 13515072 arcarsenal said:
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I think it is, in that it's definite now where it was "almost certain" before.

Saves NYR a little extra cap space, I believe. 2-3M, IIRC.



2.9 million. It ain't chump change. This is a pretty big break



Yep, you can definitely put 3M to good use in this league.


Might be able to afford Tanner Glass for next year.
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arcarsenal : 6/29/2017 2:54 pm : link
In comment 13515076 BrettNYG10 said:
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I think it is, in that it's definite now where it was "almost certain" before.

Saves NYR a little extra cap space, I believe. 2-3M, IIRC.



2.9 million. It ain't chump change. This is a pretty big break



Yep, you can definitely put 3M to good use in this league.



Might be able to afford Tanner Glass for next year.


I think you're making a pretty big assumption that Glass would take a hometown discount.

Someone out there would likely be willing to go 4.5-5 per on a 5 year deal, IMO. Glass demonstrated in the playoffs that he's not only a sandpaper guy, but also a pretty prolific goal scorer.
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pjcas18 : 6/29/2017 2:55 pm : link
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Henrik Lundqvist is having a hard time with Rangers shakeup


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Weak free agent pool  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2017 2:59 pm : link
getting weaker.

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NHL on NBC‏Verified account @NHLonNBCSports 3m3 minutes ago

Versteeg close to contract extension with Flames, per report
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arcarsenal : 6/29/2017 3:08 pm : link
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Henrik Lundqvist is having a hard time with Rangers shakeup

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Uncle Larry and his headlines....

Hank basically said absolutely nothing out of the ordinary.

Here's the cliff notes...

Will miss Step and G because they were guys he was teammates with for a very long time and cared about both them and their families on a personal level so it's tough to see them go.

Understands, however, that it is a business and these things happen and knows NYR management will do whatever they can do put a competitive team on the ice.

Says the left knee injury he sustained playing for SWE won't affect his prep for the upcoming season at all.

That's it.
I know  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2017 3:12 pm : link
I read it, that's why I didn't comment on it.

Player says he's going to miss players he's played with for so long as they leave the team. News at 11.

Stepan, Girardi, Klein, etc.(?) all been here a while. No idea why it's news their teammate is sad to see them leave.
Uncle Larry....cmon  
Greg from LI : 6/29/2017 3:13 pm : link
Where's Torts when you need him?

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pjcas18 : 6/29/2017 3:13 pm : link
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Chris Nichols‏ @NicholsOnHockey 17m17 minutes ago
Replying to @NicholsOnHockey

Friedman: "I still think Kevin Shattenkirk would love to be a #NYR. I don't know if it's going to fit."
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arcarsenal : 6/29/2017 3:15 pm : link
In comment 13515103 pjcas18 said:
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I read it, that's why I didn't comment on it.

Player says he's going to miss players he's played with for so long as they leave the team. News at 11.

Stepan, Girardi, Klein, etc.(?) all been here a while. No idea why it's news their teammate is sad to see them leave.


Oh, yeah - no issue with you posting it. Just funny that the headline really doesn't match the article at all. But, that's Brooksie for ya...
Writers usually don't write the headlines.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/29/2017 3:16 pm : link
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This guy has a lot of Hab  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2017 3:21 pm : link
fan subscribers.

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Grant McCagg‏ @grantmccagg 3m3 minutes ago

#Habs had highest draft value of any NHL team vs. Recrutes draft list - +197, and got an A+ grade - subscribers - https://recrutes.ca/montreal-canadiens-draft-grade-and-review/
RE: Writers usually don't write the headlines.  
arcarsenal : 6/29/2017 3:32 pm : link
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Shut up.
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