NFT: NHL Draft Thread 06/23

figures the devils get the top pick the year there's no ovechkin/crosby/mcdavid type ...

I'm sure we'll see movement of players today, likely Hamonic as you mentioned but I expect others as well as part of a package.

For what it's worth, we entered the 2015 draft without a first round pick, but traded back in which yielded Barzal and Beauvillier, so we all expect the unexpected.

Connor Timmins or Henri Jokiharju, two right-handed defensemen with offensive skill, could be possible targets. Would love for them to get Liljegren though!

In comment 13509045 pganut said:

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I'm sure we'll see movement of players today, likely Hamonic as you mentioned but I expect others as well as part of a package. For what it's worth, we entered the 2015 draft without a first round pick, but traded back in which yielded Barzal and Beauvillier, so we all expect the unexpected.

Yup. While Barzal still has to come in and take off he looks legit. What a dumb trade by Chiarelli. Good job by Snow in that deal.

When I can. I watched a crap ton of juniors this year.. not much European.

Go figure...a year when the Isles don't have a first I'm all prepared.

Ooh. In China I watched Chinese woman's hockey. That was very good, actually!

because if the Devils choose the wrong one then they allow the other to go to a division rival. I am torn between the two. Hischier has the higher offensive upside but Patrick seems like the safer pick who could play in the NHL next season.

In comment 13509136 Jay on the Island said:

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because if the Devils choose the wrong one then they allow the other to go to a division rival. I am torn between the two. Hischier has the higher offensive upside but Patrick seems like the safer pick who could play in the NHL next season.

there really is no wrong one.

If the Devlis select either, they have a better future than they did yesterday.

"DOESN�T GET RATTLED OR PANIC WHEN PRESSURED � EXCELLENT HOCKEY SENSE WITH VERY GOOD VISION AND ANTICIPATION � DISPLAYS STEVE YZERMAN-LIKE LEADERSHIP ABILITY; MAKES PLAYERS AROUND HIM BETTER � EXCELLENT SHOT � EQUALLY PROFICIENT AS A PLAYMAKER AND A FINISHER � EFFECTIVE SIZE/STRENGTH GAME; COMPETITIVE AND WILLING TO ENGAGE ONE ON ONE AND STAND UP FOR HIMSELF AND TEAMMATES "

I think I'd ever so slightly lean towards Patrick only because its been so long since we had a good 2-way C with size. Thats a winning type hockey play. All the buzz though about Nico is that he had a superb year though...

Tonight Devils. Tough call who to take. Tavares is not Mcdavid or Crosby but obviously a great player. Nolan will be a great building block.

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Tonight Devils. Tough call who to take. Tavares is not Mcdavid or Crosby but obviously a great player. Nolan will be a great building block.

They are reportedly leaning towards Hischier. If is tough but I too would take Patrick 1st overall. His injury history is a bit concerning but hopefully that won't carry over to the NHL as he gets bigger. Fish, as you said there is no McDavid in this draft but I would be thrilled if Patrick or Hischier turn into a Taveras. The Devils need to hit a homerun today and perhaps trade back into the end of round 1 for a defenseman. Mirco Mueller was a good start but they need more help on the blue line.

but with Hall, Palmieri, Henrique and either Patrick or Hischier the Devils might be able to entice Taveras to sign with them especially if the young players like Zacha, McLeod, and Quenneville break out this year. They will have the cap space to sign.

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but with Hall, Palmieri, Henrique and either Patrick or Hischier the Devils might be able to entice Taveras to sign with them especially if the young players like Zacha, McLeod, and Quenneville break out this year. They will have the cap space to sign.

I would expect an extension announcement pretty soon after 7/1.

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In comment 13509259 Jay on the Island said: Quote: but with Hall, Palmieri, Henrique and either Patrick or Hischier the Devils might be able to entice Taveras to sign with them especially if the young players like Zacha, McLeod, and Quenneville break out this year. They will have the cap space to sign. I would expect an extension announcement pretty soon after 7/1.

With Isle fans freaking out every hour it doesn't happen after that

I think our group here understands that there's more to it than offer big deal = JT signs. But yesterday's move and what we expect to come will also shape that decision, and I'd be careful not to discount the coaching staff moves the Isles made; it's a huge positive for Tavares. FWIW, I think he never ends up in TOR...they're saying that they have Matthews, so they don't "need" JT. I do feel very confident he will resign with the Isles, whether on 7/1 or sometime after that.

Next off-season.

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Next off-season.

he wants it to be over with.

JT likes it here, he has indicated that management has given him a clear direction of the team, which he likes. He LOVES Doug Weight as coach.

They are going to pay him handsomely. Is there a chance he waits til next season and bolts? Absolutely.

Tavares is going to look great in a Rangers sweater.

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Tavares is going to look great in a Rangers sweater.

No he wouldn't. Besides, your team already has the best JT in hockey.

The Isles will just make due with the other JT.

You're right about that - Tavares would have to play 2nd fiddle to TRJT - but I disagree that Tavares won't look good in Rangers red, white, and blue.

All those things will be available to Tavares 12 months from now. If the Islanders are a bottom ten team for some reason next year, why would he re-sign?

Conversely, the opportunity is much more attractive if Ho-Sang and Barzal develop.

I think he's a top five skater in the league - two playoff appearances is such a waste for him. I think MTL/TOR are really attractive situations for a player like him.

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Tavares is going to look great in a Rangers sweater.

I know you are joking but some believe it will happen. I don't see how the Rangers would create the cap space needed to sign him. I would put the chances of his re-signing with the Isles at 90%

I don't think the Rangers are that attractive of a destination for a player like him, either. The Rangers have a narrow window with Lundqvist. You're taking quite a bet that they can remain in contention when he's gone. Much rather go to a team with a widening window like TOR, or a team that would be a top tier contender with his addition like MTL.

But bless Barroway's heart, he's trying to make things happen:

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Darren Dreger‏Verified account @DarrenDreger 2m2 minutes ago Arizona is working on landing a goalie, a centre and a D. I believe Chicago's Niklas Hjalmarsson interests the Coyotes a lot.

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#Blackhawks acquire defensemen Connor Murphy and Laurent Dauphin from the Arizona Coyotes in exchange for defenseman Niklas Hjalmarsson.

that's interesting.

PHX is a mess.

From the Miami Herald:

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�My familiarity with the Panthers has grown a lot throughout the past few years,� Capuano said in a statement, �and I'm eager to work with such a young, talented group of players.� "And then punish those young, talented players when they don't play my outdated system and do my best to tear 'em down before building 'em back up...smaht and hahd, that's the expectation."

Okay, I added that last sentence, but it was what I know he's saying in his mind. And he's there to coach the D and PK, so that should be interesting.

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Quote: Elliotte Friedman‏Verified account @FriedgeHNIC 1m1 minute ago Wow. I am also hearing there is a Panarin/Saad deal in the works.

What would you say is a fair Isles package?

of the cost of a Panarin extension in two years.

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What would you say is a fair Isles package?

I think you'd have to say something like Nelson, MDC/BVR and CDH with Isles retaining salary.

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Quote: Elliotte Friedman‏Verified account @FriedgeHNIC 1m1 minute ago Wow. I am also hearing there is a Panarin/Saad deal in the works.

It seems like a weird deal. Does Chicago miss Saad that much? I think they are fairly equal talent wise.

Saad heading back to Chicago. That one came out of nowhere.

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In comment 13509402 pganut said: Quote: Quote: Elliotte Friedman‏Verified account @FriedgeHNIC 1m1 minute ago Wow. I am also hearing there is a Panarin/Saad deal in the works. It seems like a weird deal. Does Chicago miss Saad that much? I think they are fairly equal talent wise.

It is strange. They have the same cap hit. But Saad is signed for 4 more seasons and Panarin for 2 more before UFA and he'll need a bigger extension. That's the only explanation I can think of

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In comment 13509404 JayBinQueens said: Quote: What would you say is a fair Isles package? I think you'd have to say something like Nelson, MDC/BVR and CDH with Isles retaining salary.

not enough.

CHI needs affordable, so you have to think 2 x A prospects and a pick.

2 of:
JHS
Barzal
Pulock
Beauviller
MDC
Sorokin
Sodestrom

MAYBE this years 2nd? If not, next years 1st.

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Saad heading back to Chicago. That one came out of nowhere.

Seriously??

That's IT?

Obviously I have no concept of value.

Anton Forsberg back as well..

not that it makes that much of a difference. He played for Cleveland in the AHL.. was GOOD, but not elite.

so weird. am I missing something here??

WTF? Why did the Hawks do that?

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WTF? Why did the Hawks do that?

I really am struggling here.

2 years in the league, over 30 goals.. 74 & 75 points. Something is not registering with me. Saad is a fine player, but seriously???

every other team's fans are saying "shit, we could've done better than that!!"

Hamonic and a 4th round pick.. dammit Snow??

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Sounds like another big Arizona trade is in works. Raanta and Stepan likely to Coyotes. 7th overall could be part of it and DeAngelo.

Yeah, that's why trades like this never make sense to me. If CHI wanted to move Panarin, I don't really get it, but you're telling me they couldn't get a better package than Saad?

Saad isn't a bad player by any stretch - I just really struggle to believe CHI couldn't get more than that.

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But it seems like a deal that didn't necessarily need to be done this year. However, it'll be interesting to see how Panarin's production is affected on a line with Boone Jenner and Alex Wennberg (if he's moving into Saad's slot on L2 or if he kicks Foligno to L2 and slides into the LW1 spot with Dubinsky & Atkinson).

First time we have a first round pick in 5 years and it's in the worst draft in that time. Now trying to get a top 10 pick?

Oh and losing two centers in three days?

is the puck moving dman the Rangers are looking for.

Another AHLer I'm a little familiar with. Moves the puck very well, has a nice shot and good vision.

He's NOT a defensive liability by any stretch, but he also not a very good defensive dman. He's only 21, though.


If it's the 7th pick and De Angelo, it's not a bad trade at all for a back-up goalie and Stepan.

Leafs fans...I'm told Toronto is among the teams with strong interest and an offer in on Travis Hamonic. As you were.


ok, so if this is true.. JVR needs to be coming this way. Even if the deal has more elements.

like DA. Would be more excited about 7th pick in a deeper draft but there's talent to be had. Also we clear a nice amount of cap. Mika, Hayes, JT as centers though?

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Quote: Chris Nichols‏ @NicholsOnHockey 1m1 minute ago More #Isles believed to have offer on table for Duchene... #Avs

it's one or the other!! I assumed that Hamonic would go for prospects/picks. Free up cap and work on Duchene trade.

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Arthur Staple‏Verified account @StapeNewsday 3m3 minutes ago More Arthur Staple Retweeted Darren Dreger With multiple offers for Hamonic, sense is #Isles would rather send him out west if they find a fit.

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Darren Dreger‏Verified account @DarrenDreger 6m6 minutes ago More Leafs fans...I'm told Toronto is among the teams with strong interest and an offer in on Travis Hamonic. As you were.

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Darren Dreger‏Verified account @DarrenDreger Following More Darren Dreger Retweeted Arthur Staple I believe Toronto, Calgary, Detroit and Tampa Bay in hard. Arizona was also interested, but Hjalmarsson trade may change that.

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like DA. Would be more excited about 7th pick in a deeper draft but there's talent to be had. Also we clear a nice amount of cap. Mika, Hayes, JT as centers though?

he's an exciting player. very noticeable on the ice in the AHL.

#7 pick will be fine. The "weak draft" thing is overrated this year. There are some excellent Europeans who are in this year's draft. They were very impressive in the WJC.

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Quote: Chris Nichols‏ @NicholsOnHockey 1m1 minute ago More #Isles believed to have offer on table for Duchene... #Avs

I am buckled in tightly. This must get done. This is the closest the Isles are ever going to come to significantly improving the roster.

deal is true then I like it from the perspective of a rival in the Metro conference. The deal makes them worse IMO. Stepan is one of their best players and Raanta is a good backup which is important to have with an aging goalie. This has also been pegged as a below average draft for a while, so the draft pick is more like a mid-first in a normal year.

Seems like there is solid interest in Hamonic which should at least lead to a decent return for him. I think his game really has deteriorated after all of the injuries so getting back good value for him would be nice. Duchene would be incredible.

that Liljegren falls to the Rangers.. another guy I was psyched to watch in the WJC... but he had mono.

He would be a steal at 7.

but why the need to branch this thread out to separate threads?

it's silly.. Sammo put a nice thread together.

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but why the need to branch this thread out to separate threads? it's silly.. Sammo put a nice thread together.

Because Fish will fuckin whine that there's too much Ranger talk if we don't. :)

Hamonic, Prospect, next years 1st.. not sure who the source is.

I'm ok with Bellows.. maybe. Sodestrom?? I'd rather not ship MDC. I liked how he transitioned the end of last year.

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Because Fish will fuckin whine that there's too much Ranger talk if we don't. :)

See? You do like him; you really like him! Mad props to you guys for holding him in such high esteem and respektng him. #can'tweallgetalong?

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In comment 13509522 feelflows said: Quote: but why the need to branch this thread out to separate threads? it's silly.. Sammo put a nice thread together. Because Fish will fuckin whine that there's too much Ranger talk if we don't. :)

haha.. but then it wouldn't be a draft/trade deadline day!?

I think last deadline Anakin posted a separate thread about an AHL player swap for the Rangers.. PURE GOLD, JERRY!!

In comment 13509380 BrettNYG10 said:

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I don't think the Rangers are that attractive of a destination for a player like him, either. The Rangers have a narrow window with Lundqvist. You're taking quite a bet that they can remain in contention when he's gone. Much rather go to a team with a widening window like TOR, or a team that would be a top tier contender with his addition like MTL.

That's why I think the Devils could have a shot at him in the unlikely event that he leaves. They have a great goaltender in his prime plus a very talented prospect in Blackwood in the AHL to go along with Taylor Hall, Kyle Palmieri, Adam Henrique, Pavel Zacha, Travis Zajac, Michael McLeod, Severson, Mueller, and Quenneville.

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In comment 13509523 arcarsenal said: Quote: Because Fish will fuckin whine that there's too much Ranger talk if we don't. :) See? You do like him; you really like him! Mad props to you guys for holding him in such high esteem and respektng him. #can'tweallgetalong?

I think hashtag rules PLAINLY state that you cannot use apostrophe.

it just doesn't look right.

2018 1st.

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Hamonic, Prospect, next years 1st.. not sure who the source is. I'm ok with Bellows.. maybe. Sodestrom?? I'd rather not ship MDC. I liked how he transitioned the end of last year.

Honestly, for Duchene, I'd include BVR as the prospect, and you know I love the kid. But if a true non-NHLer, I'd consider MDC, but prefer it to be Bellows or Wotherspoon (only if they want another D prospect).

In comment 13509542 feelflows said:

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In comment 13509534 pganut said: Quote: In comment 13509523 arcarsenal said: Quote: Because Fish will fuckin whine that there's too much Ranger talk if we don't. :) See? You do like him; you really like him! Mad props to you guys for holding him in such high esteem and respektng him. #can'tweallgetalong? I think hashtag rules PLAINLY state that you cannot use apostrophe. it just doesn't look right.

Yeah, seriously. Learn how to fuckin' tag, pga.

#fishsucks

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2018 1st.

If that get's it done then Snow deserves an extension after that and the Eberle trade.

In comment 13509543 Renton said:

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2018 1st.

If that is really the deal, then get it done before someone fires Sakic and stops that deal from happening.

Reading hockey rumors and trades here then bam. Good shit.

turning into the Rangers giving up all these 1st round picks picks.

I think it's basically a done deal at this point. Rangers need to add a mid line center now though. Maybe they sign Nick Bonino in FA?

Will somehow steal duchene or galchenyuk away from isles now

Him leaving wouldn't gut the franchise but it would kill their hopes of becoming a contender for years to come.

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Will somehow steal duchene or galchenyuk away from isles now

they would have to pay dearly.

In comment 13509581 Sammo85 said:

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I think it's basically a done deal at this point. Rangers need to add a mid line center now though. Maybe they sign Nick Bonino in FA?

The swallow hard moment there, though, is by all reports, Shattenkirk is looking for a 7 year term. I get that length, even longer for guys like JT, Stamkos, McDavid, Matthews, etc., but that's a big dice roll on an incomplete D man (with no disrespect to his talent in that point).

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In comment 13509581 Sammo85 said: Quote: I think it's basically a done deal at this point. Rangers need to add a mid line center now though. Maybe they sign Nick Bonino in FA? The swallow hard moment there, though, is by all reports, Shattenkirk is looking for a 7 year term. I get that length, even longer for guys like JT, Stamkos, McDavid, Matthews, etc., but that's a big dice roll on an incomplete D man (with no disrespect to his talent in that point).

Agreed, The Devils have been rumored to be interested in him but I don't want to sign him for more than 4 years but that won't get it done. I am sure some team will give him a 6 or 7 year deal I just hope it isn't NJ.

In comment 13509626 pganut said:

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In comment 13509581 Sammo85 said: Quote: I think it's basically a done deal at this point. Rangers need to add a mid line center now though. Maybe they sign Nick Bonino in FA? The swallow hard moment there, though, is by all reports, Shattenkirk is looking for a 7 year term. I get that length, even longer for guys like JT, Stamkos, McDavid, Matthews, etc., but that's a big dice roll on an incomplete D man (with no disrespect to his talent in that point).

Defensemen who push the puck are valued very highly partially because there aren't enough of them. Thus they will get overpaid. Shattenkirk will help Rangers offense. Problem is that back half of the contract. But he solves an Achilles heel that killed them this year at times and in the playoffs for sure.

This guy seems like he'd be a great Ranger
Elias Pettersson - ( New Window )

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This guy seems like he'd be a great Ranger Elias Pettersson - ( New Window )

He's a real nice player. I'd started reading up on him when the Isles still had the #15 pick as he's a guy that would merit a serious look if still there at that point. 7 may be a bit high, but really after the first 2 and certainly 5, I think teams'll take who they like not necessarily according to central scouting rankings.

they need to move forwards.

Lee-JT-Eberle
HoSang-Barzal-Bailey
Ladd-Nelson-Chimera
Clutt-Cizik-Kulemin

Beauvillier/Prince/Quine all left out (no big deal for Prince/Quine..butthey are fine 3rd line options)

I think Nelson is on his way out. Maybe Bailey? Maybe both?

There are rumors saying that the Devils are leaning towards taking Cale Makar first overall! Please tell me this is a joke.

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There are rumors saying that the Devils are leaning towards taking Cale Makar first overall! Please tell me this is a joke.

nah.. if that was true they would not vocalize it and make a trade to trade to the 3rd/4th pick.

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they need to move forwards. Lee-JT-Eberle HoSang-Barzal-Bailey Ladd-Nelson-Chimera Clutt-Cizik-Kulemin Beauvillier/Prince/Quine all left out (no big deal for Prince/Quine..butthey are fine 3rd line options) I think Nelson is on his way out. Maybe Bailey? Maybe both?

Or have Chimera on the 4th line in place of Kulemin so you can get Beauvillier in the line-up

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And now Jeff Gorton makes his move...

Only in a trade down. Only team that has the ammo to move up are really Vegas and maybe a team in the top 10 that's willing to give up a top young player in addition to their pick.

A lot of smoke Hischier is going to be the pick. We shall see.

Washington Capitals‏Verified account
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BREAKING: @TJOshie77 is staying in Washington!
Locked in 🔒 for more 8 years!



8 years for a guy who is already 30...

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B.D. Gallof‏Verified account @BDGallof NHL source: Duchene to #Isles dead And now Jeff Gorton makes his move...

Was he stalking Joe Sakic?

But....

Elliote Friedman just reported on NHL Network that a potential Hamonic/Duchene trade may hinge on how the 4th pick goes for COL. Interesting

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Washington Capitals‏Verified account @Capitals BREAKING: @TJOshie77 is staying in Washington! Locked in 🔒 for more 8 years! 8 years for a guy who is already 30...

8-year, $46 million contract. No way they hold this contract to expiration. But I sure hope it costs them signing other key players.

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In comment 13510050 Anakim said: Quote: Washington Capitals‏Verified account @Capitals BREAKING: @TJOshie77 is staying in Washington! Locked in 🔒 for more 8 years! 8 years for a guy who is already 30... 8-year, $46 million contract. No way they hold this contract to expiration. But I sure hope it costs them signing other key players.

Probably counting on an amnesty buyout in the next CBA.

So..you can start a new thread about this rumor.

Dreger: I'm told #NYR would be willing to move 7 and 21 in first round to #Stars as part of a package to acquire 3. NBCSN

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Quote: Chris Nichols‏ @NicholsOnHockey 2m2 minutes ago Dreger: I'm told #NYR would be willing to move 7 and 21 in first round to #Stars as part of a package to acquire 3. NBCSN

Douche

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In comment 13510104 pganut said: Quote: Quote: Chris Nichols‏ @NicholsOnHockey 2m2 minutes ago Dreger: I'm told #NYR would be willing to move 7 and 21 in first round to #Stars as part of a package to acquire 3. NBCSN Douche

Touche.

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So..you can start a new thread about this rumor. Dreger: I'm told #NYR would be willing to move 7 and 21 in first round to #Stars as part of a package to acquire 3. NBCSN

Seems like too much unless they're taking back Marc Staal

I'll be honest, I know as close to nothing as I possibly can when it comes to most NHL prospects. Obviously guys like Matthews, McDavid, etc.. I knew about them and how good they were, etc. But in a draft like this, I really don't know much of anything about who is in the pool.

So, if NYR were to move up to 3, who would be a likely target there? Or if they stay @ 7, who can they get there? I keep reading that this is such a weak class, etc. but can they really not get a really good player with the 3rd pick or even 7th? I find that hard to believe. Obviously there are no franchise-altering guys in this class, but there has to be some "very good" even if not elite, no?

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I'll be honest, I know as close to nothing as I possibly can when it comes to most NHL prospects. Obviously guys like Matthews, McDavid, etc.. I knew about them and how good they were, etc. But in a draft like this, I really don't know much of anything about who is in the pool. So, if NYR were to move up to 3, who would be a likely target there? Or if they stay @ 7, who can they get there? I keep reading that this is such a weak class, etc. but can they really not get a really good player with the 3rd pick or even 7th? I find that hard to believe. Obviously there are no franchise-altering guys in this class, but there has to be some "very good" even if not elite, no?

there's a couple of ways it could go.

Assuming that Patrick and Hischier go 1/2, I think the best player available is Miro Heiskanen.

A lot of the mocks have Makar going 3, and that's a safe choice.

He skates like Leddy, is very responsible in his own zone and is a great puck mover. Reminds me of Leddy a lot, actually. He's a kid playing in an advanced league.

I'd be all over him at 3. I'm sure if you google him you will like what you read.

a little bit about the top 2 guys, Nolan Patrick and Nico Hischier. And there's been some talk about NJ going off the board a bit and taking a defenseman #1 instead. Maybe NYR are targeting whoever of those two guys then falls to 3. That's my only guess.

7, 21, and Staal for #3 and whichever goalie Dallas wants to dump, Niemi or Lehtonen. Let's do it!

How many of the top prospects (if any) this year would you estimate are NHL players on opening night?

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I'll be honest, I know as close to nothing as I possibly can when it comes to most NHL prospects. Obviously guys like Matthews, McDavid, etc.. I knew about them and how good they were, etc. But in a draft like this, I really don't know much of anything about who is in the pool. So, if NYR were to move up to 3, who would be a likely target there? Or if they stay @ 7, who can they get there? I keep reading that this is such a weak class, etc. but can they really not get a really good player with the 3rd pick or even 7th? I find that hard to believe. Obviously there are no franchise-altering guys in this class, but there has to be some "very good" even if not elite, no?

The consensus top 4 guys are C Nolan Patrick, C Nico Hischier, D Miro...something and D Cale Makar.


I don't think Gorton, Clark and Co. would trade up for a D so my guess is if Patrick or Nico fall to #3, the Rangers may trade up to #3.


I would do #7, #21 and Marc Staal for #3 and one of the Stars Goalies.

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How many of the top prospects (if any) this year would you estimate are NHL players on opening night?

I read somewhere that only Patrick is expected to play from Day One. The rest are projects

I like Leddy a lot. Great skater. Would love a player with a similar skillset.

Sucks that it's a weaker class but it's cool to actually be invested in the 1st rd as a Rangers fan. Feels like we've barely picked in the 1st rd at all in recent years because Sather was giving the pick away at the deadline every year.

Great job on that national anthem.

and Makar put up ridiculous stats, but in a lesser Juniors league. He's an offense first DMAN, great puck handler and skates well/fast.

That being said, he's offense first, and we haven't seen him against elite competition. Honestly, I rarely saw him at all. I didn't tend to watch his team much. Lower league.

Staal, 7 and 21 for 3 and one of the 2 goalies I would definitely do.

And Jeff Gorton

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How many of the top prospects (if any) this year would you estimate are NHL players on opening night?

some of the Euro's MAY be physically/skill ready, but are in contracts.

Not many of the NA guys are really ready. They could be thrown in on a crappy team and do OK.. I guess.

Patrick can jump in and play. Absolutely.

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Sindy/McDavid

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Sindy/McDavid

Sorry, *Rasmus Dahlin


He's a Defenseman, BTW

give Betman credit - he rolls with the punches

I will never get tired of fans booing commissioners during drafts. I love it. Especially Bettman and Goodell. It's the fucking best.

Kevin Allen:

1. New Jersey Devils

Center Nico Hischier, Halifax (QMJHL), 6-0/180

The Swiss forward is a dynamic offensive catalyst, proven by his 86 points in 57 games this season. But he is also mindful of his defensive responsibilities.

Injuries had to scare them off Patrick.

I wonder if his medical records are bad.

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Injuries had to scare them off Patrick. I wonder if his medical records are bad.

Vegas trying really hard to move up for Patrick

Dallas on the clock.

If the Rangers or Vegas trade to 3

I'm sure the pick will be Makar... but I think he's not the best pick.

Heiskanken

He will be a big, smart defenseman who can skate like a motherfucker. Great vision.

and takes Miro Heiskanen.

Will run to the table with Makar. They need D.

w/ bios
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Wonder if we'll keep the GLASS name within the org...

The top 4 were expected (just not in order)

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Wonder if we'll keep the GLASS name within the org...

Haha. I'd think Vancouver would grab him. Or vilardi

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In comment 13510161 arcarsenal said: Quote: Wonder if we'll keep the GLASS name within the org... Haha. I'd think Vancouver would grab him. Or vilardi

Well...hell. Or not.

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In comment 13510161 arcarsenal said: Quote: Wonder if we'll keep the GLASS name within the org... Haha. I'd think Vancouver would grab him. Or vilardi

It's coming!

In comment 13510168 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 13510164 feelflows said: Quote: In comment 13510161 arcarsenal said: Quote: Wonder if we'll keep the GLASS name within the org... Haha. I'd think Vancouver would grab him. Or vilardi It's coming!

If he slipped it would be both a position need and best player avail.

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Damnit, Vegas stole him. :(

Glass!!

Rangers select Liljegren and it's a home run.

He's legit. Real deal.

Lias Andersson, C.

Not overly familiar with lias andersson

Well, I won't pretend I know a damn thing about this kid.

Hope he works out.

Compared him to Kunitz

Ryan Kennedy‏ @THNRyanKennedy
Rangers take Lias Andersson, a fast, competitive two-way center. I really like this pick; kid's a gamer.


22. Edmonton Oilers

Center Lias Andersson, Sweden, 5-11/200

Became an important player for HV71 in its Swedish championship run. Had 19 points in 42 games and scored four more goals in postseason. Effective two-way forward. Plays a mature game.


Leslie Treff‏ @HFNYRangers
I have no idea where they were going with this, but interviews will be coming soon. Ranked 12 by Hockey Prospect; 25 by ISS

Pierre compares him to Jesper Fast....alright then, hope it works out. I'm not gonna pull an Anak here.

Hope we use that Stepan cap space well

Another guy who was on Islander radar when we had a pick. Played on the SEL championship team HV71 with our G Linus Soderstrom. Very nice skill level but needs to round out his game, and I'm sure he will.

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Compared him to Kunitz

Oh that's swell. Chris fucking Kunitz without Sydnee's coattails to ride.

Just the guys who leap to mind as high first round talents

more of a defensive forward then anything. Maybe he ends up filling the void left by Lindberg

But the offensive upside is a bit limited. Just gonna trust Gordie here, he hits more than he misses.

Guys on the broadcast saying he's got a good shot to play in the NHL right away. So that's something at least.

version of Frank Ntilikina.

Grant McCagg‏ @grantmccagg
Andersson will help Rangers win games..strong as a horse..competitive. Scouts wonder how much off. upside he has & if skating will improve


Scott Wheeler‏Verified account @scottcwheeler
Lias Andersson is also great, but he's not going to be any team's best player. Good chance to be a top-6 player, though.


Daniel Friedman‏Verified account @DanJFriedman
Very interesting pick for the Rangers, taking Lias Andersson at No. 7. Jack of all trades type player, but won't but up big points. Early.


Jeremy K. Gover‏ @govertime
#NYR just reached. And far.

Lias Andersson is ranked:
#23 THN
#31 @DanJFriedman
#18 @recruteshockey
#25 @ISShockey
#26 @mckeenshockey

I'm pretty unhappy with the franchise following the way the expansion played out. I don't think we handled it well. That said I'm now turning the page, welcome to NY Mr. Anderson...maybe his nickname will become Neo.

NYR's Gordie Clark said Lias Anderson's second half/playoffs convinced them to take him. Anders Kallur, who is retiring, fought for the pick

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Pierre compares him to Jesper Fast....alright then, hope it works out. I'm not gonna pull an Anak here. Hope we use that Stepan cap space well

IDK. Lots of Rangers fans are going apeshit, but I won't because I have no idea. It seems like a big reach though. Seems like they could've traded down for him.

In comment 13510201 Anakim said:

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Grant McCagg‏ @grantmccagg Andersson will help Rangers win games..strong as a horse..competitive. Scouts wonder how much off. upside he has & if skating will improve Scott Wheeler‏Verified account @scottcwheeler Lias Andersson is also great, but he's not going to be any team's best player. Good chance to be a top-6 player, though. Daniel Friedman‏Verified account @DanJFriedman Very interesting pick for the Rangers, taking Lias Andersson at No. 7. Jack of all trades type player, but won't but up big points. Early. Jeremy K. Gover‏ @govertime #NYR just reached. And far. Lias Andersson is ranked: #23 THN #31 @DanJFriedman #18 @recruteshockey #25 @ISShockey #26 @mckeenshockey

ISS is fine, but the others are worthless.

Hockey Writers is a great source.

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more of a defensive forward then anything. Maybe he ends up filling the void left by Lindberg

That's not what I want to hear. We had the 7th overall pick. I want a guy with top line, top pair potential. I don't care if he plays right away or not. I want a guy with superstar potential and it doesn't seem like Andersson has that.

They made a trade with a team that got them to the top 10 and got a guy they wanted.

It's a slight reach to some experts. Not massive.

Don't know anything about this guy but these scouting reports and reactions are anything but reassuring.

This sounds exactly like the way Manny Malhotra was described when the Rangers drafted him about two rounds too high.

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version of Frank Ntilikina.

YOU'RE BETTER THAN THAT, BOSH.

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In comment 13510199 Jon in NYC said: Quote: version of Frank Ntilikina. YOU'RE BETTER THAN THAT, BOSH.

It's an equally absurd statement to this one:

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. arcarsenal : 6/22/2017 8:06 pm : link : reply We're going to get stuck with this fucking French schmuck, aren't we?

to throw on Andersson's line at 21. And why not see if you can pry the Sedin sisters from Vancouver while you're at it and complete the Canucks east plan?

That was kind of the joke....

I don't like the way this week has played out but that's a panic ridden statement. Everyone has this guy in the 1st Round, some have it as a significant reach others do not.

will never stop, but they're always hilarious. No one knows how good this kid will be. Talking about potential ceilings at this point is wild to me.

Gotta trust the staff that has gotten the Rangers to the playoffs 11 out of 12 years. Also, there seem to be more positive comments about him than anything else.

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That was kind of the joke....

lolol my bad. That went over my head. Been a long day.

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In comment 13510190 Kyle in NY said: Quote: Pierre compares him to Jesper Fast....alright then, hope it works out. I'm not gonna pull an Anak here. Hope we use that Stepan cap space well IDK. Lots of Rangers fans are going apeshit, but I won't because I have no idea. It seems like a big reach though. Seems like they could've traded down for him.

Anak, I'm only kidding bud. The Mcilrath thing was funny but you were right in the end. All good, hope it works out with this kid. But I'm concerned, I'll admit.

Bering more serious for a second, if we're comparing the Rangers and Knicks, the teams have totally different needs. A "jack of all trades" or "good but not great" role player actually isn't bad for NYR because they kind of need that. They didn't necessarily need to swing for the fences.

For the Knicks, it probably would have made more sense to specifically target upside. If Frank is more of a role player, it doesn't really move the needle at all. If he's more, awesome. Just doesn't seem like many scouts have him pegged as that.

The last thing I want to even think about right now is basketball, though.

Dhiren Mahiban‏Verified account
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Scout re: Lias Andersson "Tools to be a middle 6 NHL forward that can play on both special teams� #NYR #NHLDraft


Scott Cullen‏Verified account
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Have to wonder if lack of first-round experience cost the Rangers there.



Career Highlights: J20 Superelit (Overall) Most Assists (35) 15/16 ... J20 Superelit (Overall) Most Points (59) 15/16 ... U18 WJC Silver Medal 15/16...U18 WJC Top 3 Player on Team 15/16

Scouting Report: Two way chameleon moves to the pace of what�s required...in J20 looks like a hardnosed superstar...internationally, gives reliable utility playing a simple game...great shot, works well off the walls, and can skate...he could benefit immensely from a NA based draft season.


ESPN Insider Bio:

http://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/stor...s-players-1-20

16. Lias Andersson, C, HV 71 (SHL)
DOB: 10/13/98 | Ht: 5' 11.25" | Wt: 198
2016-17 stats: 42 GP | 9 G | 10 A

Andersson was a solid piece for HV71 and Sweden's World Junior team this season. All he has done is produce wherever he's gone the past few seasons. He won't dazzle with high-end dekes, but there is a lot of skill to Andersson's game. He makes quick decisions, has a quick shot, sees his options well and has good puck skills. He can be a standout offensive player, though that isn't always the case. Andersson might be below average in size, but he's tough and strong for a player his age, and he can kill penalties adequately. I don't love his skating, but he isn't dragging anvils all over the ice, and considering all the other positive attributes in his offensive game, you can live without game-breaking speed.

But yeah haha, I was just messing around before dude. All good.

a crapshoot as MLB.

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Brian Wilde‏ @BWildeTBD 21m21 minutes ago Brian Wilde Retweeted Jeremy K. Gover Usually picking a player for the first time in the second round, the NYR reached for someone practically ranked there.

I recall similar criticism (low-celing) when Giroux was picked by the Flyers.

General consensus I'm seeing is that he's considered a good player. But maybe could have been had around 12-15. Oh well. I'd like to see us trade 21 now.

10 pick. They tend to go for the safe picks instead of the home run picks.

Al Montoya was a Goalie and as we know now (and as Fishsticks fans know), you don't go for a goalie high. You can get great goalies later on in the draft.

McIlrath was such a safe pick. There was little doubt he would make the NHL eventually, but his upside was INCREDIBLY limited. I don't think anyone thought he would be more than AT BEST a second-pair defensive defenseman. They passed on guys with much higher potentials in Cam Fowler and Vladimir Tarasenko and it came to bite them in the ass given the careers both have had and how McIlrath is dwelling in the AHL.

Ceiling/floor/potential/etc. is just completely bullshit stands. I have zero issues with the Rangers picking a guy they thought was BPA just because consensus had him going in the teens.

In comment 13510231 pjcas18 said:

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a crapshoot as MLB. Quote: Brian Wilde‏ @BWildeTBD 21m21 minutes ago Brian Wilde Retweeted Jeremy K. Gover Usually picking a player for the first time in the second round, the NYR reached for someone practically ranked there.

I'm not that familiar with the MLB Draft but isn't signability a huge issue that affects how teams draft? The NHL, especially the Rangers, don't have much of a problem with that. Of course Kevin Hayes was an exception.

But given the number of times I've heard different analysts refer to the players between 5 and 15 (or some even as broadly as 5 to 25) as fluid/interchangeable/"just a matter of preference", I see little reason to lose my shit about this one.

In fact, I kind of like the idea that he's one of the guys who's seemingly closest to ready for the big show who already just about has the body for the NHL game.

In comment 13510232 BrettNYG10 said:

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I recall similar criticism (low-celing) when Giroux was picked by the Flyers.

I would hope not. I would hope that they think he has 1C potential. Otherwise, they shouldn't have picked him 7th overall.

that he's more than fine as a player but he's terrible value at #7.


At least that's the consensus that I get

Who knows. Maybe the Rangers DON'T think he has the same ceiling the scouts do. In fact, if they took him there, they must think it's a bit higher.

I have no idea if they're right or not.. but I doubt NYR said "well, this guy is sorta safe let's just take him"

In comment 13510236 Anakim said:

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In comment 13510231 pjcas18 said: Quote: a crapshoot as MLB. Quote: Brian Wilde‏ @BWildeTBD 21m21 minutes ago Brian Wilde Retweeted Jeremy K. Gover Usually picking a player for the first time in the second round, the NYR reached for someone practically ranked there. I'm not that familiar with the MLB Draft but isn't signability a huge issue that affects how teams draft? The NHL, especially the Rangers, don't have much of a problem with that. Of course Kevin Hayes was an exception.

absolutely, I just mean in terms of success rate for a draft pick making it to the big league. So much projection for a 17/18 year old kid. outside of the elite prospects it's not great odds of success.

which is why I don't put much faith in rankings.

Can trade into a pick soon and get Liljegren I will be estatic

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Can trade into a pick soon and get Liljegren I will be estatic

Or the Rangers take him at 21 :D

Would have been a great pick mid 1st round but certainly a reach from what you read. They probably thought a player or two that went in top 6 would be there and were surprised when they werent...kinda appears that GoRd Clark is throwing this off on Anders Kallur...

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Can trade into a pick soon and get Liljegren I will be estatic

OK, the Rangers are coming up


Is Liljegren the BPA?

Sack

In comment 13510251 Anakim said:

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In comment 13510244 feelflows said: Quote: Can trade into a pick soon and get Liljegren I will be estatic OK, the Rangers are coming up Is Liljegren the BPA?

To me, he has been for almost 10 picks. Damn Leafs

Responsible for this "TRADE NEWS" shit that keeps flashing on the screen but contains trades from this afternoon needs to be kicked in the nuts.

They say he would've been like a top 7 pick if not for a season-ending shoulder surgery.


Doesn't seem like a Rangers pick though

29. Dallas Stars (from Anaheim Ducks)

Center Filip Chytil, Czech Republic, 6-1/180

Boasts outstanding speed and was able to play in the Czech Elite League this season. Can be a dazzling puck-handler at times.

So I hate it.

Ryan Kennedy‏ @THNRyanKennedy
Rangers get a very talented two-way forward in Filip Chytil. Czech kid played against men back home this year


(((Corey Pronman)))‏Verified account @coreypronman
NYR pick Filip Chytil. One of the youngest players in class, and riser this year. He's a skilled, quick forward.




I love how both scouting reports on NBCSN say the weakness for both of our picks is offense :D

One of the youngest players in the draft; only eligible by a matter of days.

Despite youth, has already played at the highest level in the Czech league. Seems like a high upside guy.

Can't imagine we see him for a few years, but adding a warm body to the pipeline is what you do at 21

ESPN Insider:

http://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/stor...-players-21-40

31. Filip Chytil, C, Zlin (Czech)
DOB: 9/05/99 | Ht: 6' 0.5" | Wt: 178
2016-17 stats: 38 GP | 4 G | 4 A

Chytil was a regular in the top Czech league as a bottom-six forward for his team, despite being one of the youngest players eligible for the 2017 draft. It was hard for me to get a read on Chytil this season. On the one hand, I see a player with a fair amount of talent. On the other, I never saw him take over a game when playing against his age group, and he was often the best player on the second-best line more than being a game-changer. Chytil is an impressive skater who can be tough to check when he's coming through the neutral zone with speed. His stick skills are above average, and I watched him create chances out of nothing. He moves the puck around fine and is creative offensively. Off the puck, I'd like to see more from him in terms of grit and awareness.



Ranked #28 by Hockeyprospect.com
Ranked #64 by ISS Hockey
Ranked #70 by Future Considerations
Ranked #42 by McKeen's Hockey
Ranked #11 by NHL Central Scouting (EU Skaters)
Ranked #31 by TSN/McKenzie

played in the top leagues in their respective countries, at 18 and 17 years old.

Hard to see them having the assets to make any significant trades now. So it's going to be about free agency and the continued development of younger forwards.

Yes, one is a conditional pick, but...ROFL.

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Yes, one is a conditional pick, but...ROFL.

Schenn came on really well as the season went on. I think he's a very good player and he's also still young.

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Hard to see them having the assets to make any significant trades now. So it's going to be about free agency and the continued development of younger forwards.

Just wait until the Rangers sign Joe Thornton and/or Patrick Marleau

But the conditional pick is top 10 protected, and according to Friedman can be pushed to 2019, and if that happens, Philly also gets a 3rd in that year.

Chris Johnston‏Verified account
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Jim Nill says he expects to make a move to get rid of one of his goaltenders next week. Wouldn't specify if it's a trade or buyout.

But I have said for a long time that the rangers are not going to be able to rid themselves of the Staal and Girardi deals.

Staal isn't going to waive except for maybe one or two places, and those places are not interested in 4 more years of that contract at any level of subsidy.

The only way to gain any leverage in the situation is to tell Marc that he's the 7th D and will be wearing a suit more than a jersey, and then follow through on the threat.

Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account
@PierreVLeBrun

Ryan Reaves has been dealt to the Pittsburgh Penguins. Not sure yet of the other trade details

Elliotte Friedman‏Verified account @FriedgeHNIC
Believe Sundqvist will go to STL in the Ryan Reaves deal. There are also picks involved, including the 31st

I will laugh hysterically

In comment 13510294 Anakim said:

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In comment 13510277 Kyle in NY said: Quote: Hard to see them having the assets to make any significant trades now. So it's going to be about free agency and the continued development of younger forwards. Just wait until the Rangers sign Joe Thornton and/or Patrick Marleau

I'd be ok with that. Thornton more so than Marleau. Free agent C options are really limited. I'm not sure where else they'd go to be honest with two spots to fill.

A first rounder for Ryan Reaves?!?! Reaves is a very good fourth liner, but that's hilarious. A first rounder for a fourth liner.

Analytics believers will show that Reaves is a drag on the team in every way.

If I'm the opponent, I'm running at Crosby a little bit more now in hopes that you trot this jackass out there to put himself in the box or just make you shitty at 5v5.

Can't think of a better mentor for him than Vladimir Tarasenko

Can't wait for Thornton to come in and put up something like 15-45-60

For one year, I'm OK. But it feels like he only leaves SJ for a bigger commitment, and I just don't think you can go there prudently.

Joe Thornton is the most Ranger/Sather type of player that has never been a Ranger.

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Can't wait for Thornton to come in and put up something like 15-45-60

You laugh, but that exceeds Stepan's best year.

In comment 13510314 Greg from LI said:

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Can't wait for Thornton to come in and put up something like 15-45-60

You wouldn't take that? I'd sign for that right now.

But Ryan Reaves' best year was last year where he had a grand total of 13 points.


And he was just traded for a first round pick

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But Ryan Reaves' best year was last year where he had a grand total of 13 points. And he was just traded for a first round pick

Obviously the Pens didn't think much of a difference between the 20 picks.

So bear with me...

Offer Colorado Hayes and Miller for Duchene.

Nash Duchene Zucc
Kreider Ziba Buch
Vesey [FA] Fast
Grabner Boo [FA]

McDonagh [Shatt]
Skjei [Smith]
Staal/DeAngelo/Pionk/Bereglazov

Ideas For the FA winger:
Justin Williams
Drew Stafford
Jarome Iginla

Ideas for FA center:
Jordan Weal
Jumbo Joe
Mike Fisher
Nick Bonino

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So bear with me... Offer Colorado Hayes and Miller for Duchene. Nash Duchene Zucc Kreider Ziba Buch Vesey [FA] Fast Grabner Boo [FA] McDonagh [Shatt] Skjei [Smith] Staal/DeAngelo/Pionk/Bereglazov Ideas For the FA winger: Justin Williams Drew Stafford Jarome Iginla Ideas for FA center: Jordan Weal Jumbo Joe Mike Fisher Nick Bonino

Not bad, though I'm not as high on Duchene as many are.


My plan, as of now:

Re-sign Smith
Extend Zibanejad
Sign Thornton to a one or two year deal
Sign Shattenkirk

Find a way to trade Staal. IDK what it will take but just do it. Get rid of him. Staal to Dallas for Lehtonen or Niemi would be fine with me.
Trade Holden for a draft pick.
Hopefully Klein retires


Kreider - Zibanejad - Zuccs
Vesey - Thornton - Nash
Buchnevich - Hayes - Miller
Fast - Boo/Andersson or whomever - Grabner
Puempel


McDonagh-Shattenkirk
Skjei-Smith
Bereglazov-DeAngelo
Kampfer


If we can't sign both Shattenkirk and Smith for some reason, put Pionk in on the third pair and promote DeAngelo to the second pair.

Lundqvist
Niemi or Lehtonen

Derek Stepan career PPG: .70
Matt Duchene career PPG: .73

Duchene has played on some pretty bad teams and he's certainly more talented. But I don't think he's worth that steep a price, hoya.

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Derek Stepan career PPG: .70 Matt Duchene career PPG: .73 Duchene has played on some pretty bad teams and he's certainly more talented. But I don't think he's worth that steep a price, hoya.

That's definitely fair. I wondered the same thing; I was basically spitballing there. But it makes you wonder...

Miller + Hayes + 2018 1st + Graves

For MacKinnon??

to get MacKinnon. Certainly that price there. But I don't think I've seen anything to suggest he's truly available. Brooks just said that the Rangers asked, but I don't think it went anywhere.

Figure Duchene moves somewhere tomorrow, and they stick with MacKinnon. But yeah, that's the ultimate prize.

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Pretty elaborate joke

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In comment 13510416 Stufftherun said: Quote: . Link - ( New Window ) Pretty elaborate joke

A little more than elaborate.

Deal for jagr

Call it an offseason

Power play will benefit immensely

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In comment 13510432 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 13510416 Stufftherun said: Quote: . Link - ( New Window ) Pretty elaborate joke A little more than elaborate.

maybe if it didn't get released on April 1.

In comment 13510486 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13510435 Stufftherun said: Quote: In comment 13510432 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 13510416 Stufftherun said: Quote: . Link - ( New Window ) Pretty elaborate joke A little more than elaborate. maybe if it didn't get released on April 1.

The dates always matter.

In comment 13510504 Stufftherun said:

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In comment 13510486 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 13510435 Stufftherun said: Quote: In comment 13510432 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 13510416 Stufftherun said: Quote: . Link - ( New Window ) Pretty elaborate joke A little more than elaborate. maybe if it didn't get released on April 1. The dates always matter.

not sure about always mattering, but in this case it does

In comment 13510510 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13510504 Stufftherun said: Quote: In comment 13510486 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 13510435 Stufftherun said: Quote: In comment 13510432 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 13510416 Stufftherun said: Quote: . Link - ( New Window ) Pretty elaborate joke A little more than elaborate. maybe if it didn't get released on April 1. The dates always matter. not sure about always mattering, but in this case it does

Marketing, advertising, PR and even out gov't, time their launches or announcements. There are no coincidences.

seems like you were duped by an April Fool's joke in June. Not sure where this is going.

Have a great day.

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seems like you were duped by an April Fool's joke in June. Not sure where this is going. Have a great day.

I actually thought it was kind of funny and if he did have a cameo or two in some TV light, good for him.

Sounds like hammer is going to Calgary.

Pundits love their salo pick. I'm not familiar.

Sounds like hammer is going to Calgary.

Pundits love their salo pick. I'm not familiar.

A 1st, and 2 2nds (approx 1st rd value) and clears about $4M off the books.

Before any Isles fans go nuts, you're crazy if you don't think the extra cap space is valuable as well as picks to now flip. You'd have to expect more moves to come.

And a nice report on Robin Salo here. Other than Criag Button, all ranking sources had this kid in the top 34 overall prospects. Seemingly great value here. Solid but unspectacular.

I wonder if these picks are flipped for another deal.

In comment 13510584 pganut said:

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A 1st, and 2 2nds (approx 1st rd value) and clears about $4M off the books. Before any Isles fans go nuts, you're crazy if you don't think the extra cap space is valuable as well as picks to now flip. You'd have to expect more moves to come. And a nice report on Robin Salo here. Other than Criag Button, all ranking sources had this kid in the top 34 overall prospects. Seemingly great value here. Solid but unspectacular.

Big knock on Salo appears to be his skating. Supposedly needs a lot of work in that area to be NHL caliber.

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Big knock on Salo appears to be his skating. Supposedly needs a lot of work in that area to be NHL caliber.

Seems they said something similar about a guy that now wears the C (not that I'm comparing skill levels). I also think being the top scoring D rookie in the Liiga means he has the tools; he'll get on the right conditioning programs to fix the skating.

Nikita Popugaev. Twitter scouts love him.

We have picks 123, 145, 157, 174 and 207.

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We have picks 123, 145, 157, 174 and 207.

Haven't been watching because we didn't have 2,3 picks Where are they now in the draft?

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In comment 13510598 Anakim said: Quote: We have picks 123, 145, 157, 174 and 207. Haven't been watching because we didn't have 2,3 picks Where are they now in the draft?

Pick 108

Larry Brooks‏ @NYP_Brooksie
Deal not yet done, but Rangers will hire Lindy Ruff as assistant coach (in charge of defense, plus) to replace Jeff Beukeboom.

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In comment 13510599 TheMick7 said: Quote: In comment 13510598 Anakim said: Quote: We have picks 123, 145, 157, 174 and 207. Haven't been watching because we didn't have 2,3 picks Where are they now in the draft? Pick 108

Thanks

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Larry Brooks‏ @NYP_Brooksie Deal not yet done, but Rangers will hire Lindy Ruff as assistant coach (in charge of defense, plus) to replace Jeff Beukeboom.

Yeesh. Never a good idea to bring a type a personality former head coach as an assistant.

D Brandon Crawley from New Jersey

(((Corey Pronman)))‏Verified account @coreypronman
NYR selects Brandon Crawley. One of my fav sleepers. Older defenseman, but always looked effective when I saw London.


Ryan Yessie‏ @RyanHPscout
How about that New York Rangers take @crawldiddy14 in the fourth round. He has come a long way. Big, physical, tough with a shot. Congrats!


Leslie Treff‏ @HFNYRangers
A surprise pick Crawley is a decent sized LD. Big shot good physically


Crawley is a tenacious defensive defenceman who also showed the ability to move the puck well as the season went on in London. He loves the physical play although he is not overly big. He adjusted well during his OHL rookie season to the speed of the game and could have a big year next year on what will be a strong London team. (Tyler Parchem, EP 2015)

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Also like NYR pick Calle Sjalin. Played DIV-1 (aka 3rd level) pro hockey in Sweden. Looked good for Swedish U18 team whenever I watched.

I know most fans say that but Shero's draft strategy has been a welcomed change from Lou's last few years of low upside picks.

Despite Cyrgalis being a Rangers shill:

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Brett Cyrgalis‏Verified account @BrettCyrgalis 3m3 minutes ago Garth Snow said he's absolutely more inclined to use his assets to improve his team this year. #Isles

Also, on Hamonic (and honestly, good move by Garth in treating your players with respect and enabling this move to CGY, getting Travis closer to home):

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Rob Taub‏ @RTaub_ 48m48 minutes ago Hamonic situation just explained to me: -Wanted to be closer to home -He wanted out but wouldn't force Garth's hand -Was fine w/staying Rob Taub‏ @RTaub_ 59m59 minutes ago From John Shannon on Toronto radio, Hamonic's mom was not doing well, prayers to Travis and his family #Isles #Flames

Steve Kournianos‏ @TheDraftAnalyst
Rangers take another double overager. LW Dominik Lakatos. Top Extralegal rookie


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Lakatos a huge get for the Rangers. He was phenomenal in the Czech playoffs, emerged as one of the best players n the league. 21-year-old.

draft from reading the positions, players size, etc. (all C's and D's (positions not grades) but no immediate help and projection, as I've said, is probably harder in hockey than almost any other sport.

Poehling stood out to me during the US gold medal in the U18 world cup, and they clearly need centers and they drafted some decent sized defensemen.

My real goal for the Canadiens though is at the big league level - to re-sign Galchenyuk, Radulov, and Markov. People walk away from these drafts and everyone loves every teams draft. Only it never works out like people think on draft day.

If the Habs re-sign the players I mentioned above I read a projected second line of Drouin, Galchenyuk and Lehkonen - it would be by far the most skilled 2nd line for the Habs I can remember, but at lot needs to happen for that to happen. I doubt it does. and that would be after a first line of Paccioretty Danault and Radulov.

I agree that the NHL draft is probably the hardest in terms of player evaluation. The majority of these picks are teenagers who are continuing to grow and development. Some will improve with age while other's have reached their peak already. Lou left the Devils in shambles with arguably the worst group of prospects in the entire league. His last few drafts were filled with low ceiling players who never made an impact in the NHL. A great example was refusing to forfeit the 30th overall pick instead using it on Matteau who was a bust. Then the following year the Devils ended up forfeiting a top 10 pick instead.

Shero has begun reloading the system and made a great trade of a 2nd round pick for Kyle Palmieri who has developed into a 30 goal scorer. Plus the Taylor Hall and Schneider trades and selections of Pavel Zacha, Michael McLeod, and now Nico Hischier has finally brought hope back to NJ.

Good week for the Islanders.

of #7 overall Lias Andersson's goal in the Swedish Elite League. Certainly shows some skill there.

The Jesper Fast comparison on the broadcast last night was a bit lazy
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In comment 13510609 Anakim said:

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Larry Brooks‏ @NYP_Brooksie Deal not yet done, but Rangers will hire Lindy Ruff as assistant coach (in charge of defense, plus) to replace Jeff Beukeboom.

Did they fire Beukeboom?

In comment 13510655 BrettNYG10 said:

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Good week for the Islanders.

Absolutely, Snow received great value for Hamonic and cleared cap room for another deal.

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Good week for the Islanders.

So far, you're right. Still need to make one of the moves we've been hearing about, and I expect that to happen after the weekend. Let the teams get through the draft wrap-up process and start negotiations undistracted. The fact that none of the names rumored to be on the move have been traded anywhere yet means no one's missing out on opportunities. As I told my crew here offline, no move beats a bad move every time. I believe Snow does something to positively impact the Isles.

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I agree that the NHL draft is probably the hardest in terms of player evaluation. The majority of these picks are teenagers who are continuing to grow and development. Some will improve with age while other's have reached their peak already. Lou left the Devils in shambles with arguably the worst group of prospects in the entire league. His last few drafts were filled with low ceiling players who never made an impact in the NHL. A great example was refusing to forfeit the 30th overall pick instead using it on Matteau who was a bust. Then the following year the Devils ended up forfeiting a top 10 pick instead. Shero has begun reloading the system and made a great trade of a 2nd round pick for Kyle Palmieri who has developed into a 30 goal scorer. Plus the Taylor Hall and Schneider trades and selections of Pavel Zacha, Michael McLeod, and now Nico Hischier has finally brought hope back to NJ.

I agree, compass appears to be pointing up for the Devils, and my point wasn't to not get excited about your teams. that would be douchy and maybe it was douchy anyway, not my intent though. Just saying the NHL draft probably has more misses than most sports.

This draft had been compared with 2012. I thought the first round in 2012 is very mediocre. But look at the 2nd round. If you assume these players were all 17/18 during that draft, they'd be 22/23 now, getting old for hockey prospects.

I don't recognize many of these names outside of Aberg, McCabe, Scissons Tierney, Martinook, Nieves, Collberg, and a couple more, and the ones I do recognize are fringy NHL players or still in the minors.

3rd round was better with players like Vecey (though he didn't sign), Matt Murray, Gostisbehere, Parayko but the bulk of these guys are venturing into hockey obscurity.

so when people say "I love that pick" about a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th round NHL player I feel like "really? this maybe the first and the last time you ever see that guy in a [Canadiens] or plug in your team, jersey."

not to be negative, just shows it's really a long shot for almost any of these guys to make it (even the bottom half of the first round is no guarantee)


# Player Nationality NHL Team College/Junior/Club Team
31 Oscar Dansk (G) Sweden Columbus Blue Jackets Brynas IF (Elitserien)
32 Mitchell Moroz (LW) Canada Edmonton Oilers Edmonton Oil Kings (WHL)
33 Sebastian Collberg (RW) Sweden Montreal Canadiens Frolunda HC (Elitserien)
34 Ville Pokka (D) Finland New York Islanders Karpat (SM-liiga)
35 Matthew Finn (D) Canada Toronto Maple Leafs Guelph Storm (OHL)
36 Nic Kerdiles (LW) United States Anaheim Ducks US NTDP (USHL)
37 Pontus Aberg (LW) Sweden Nashville Predators (from Minnesota via San Jose and Tampa Bay)1 Djurgardens IF J20 (J20 SuperElit)
38 Phillip Di Giuseppe (LW) Canada Carolina Hurricanes University of Michigan (CCHA)
39 Lukas Sutter (C) Canada Winnipeg Jets Saskatoon Blades (WHL)
40 Dylan Blujus (D) United States Tampa Bay Lightning Brampton Battalion (OHL)
41 Mitchell Heard (C) Canada Colorado Avalanche Plymouth Whalers (OHL)
42 Patrick Sieloff (D) United States Calgary Flames (from Buffalo)2 US NTDP (USHL)
43 Ludvig Bystrom (D) Sweden Dallas Stars MODO J20 (J20 SuperElit)
44 Jake McCabe (D) United States Buffalo Sabres (from Calgary)3 University of Wisconsin (WCHA)
45 Anthony Stolarz (G) United States Philadelphia Flyers (from Ottawa via Phoenix and Columbus)4 Corpus Christi IceRays (NAHL)
46 Raphael Bussieres (LW) Canada Minnesota Wild (from Washington via New Jersey)5 Baie-Comeau Drakkar (QMJHL)
47 Brock McGinn (LW) Canada Carolina Hurricanes (from San Jose)6 Guelph Storm (OHL)
48 Dillon Fournier (D) Canada Chicago Blackhawks Rouyn-Noranda Huskies (QMJHL)
49 Martin Frk (RW) Czech Republic Detroit Red Wings Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL)
50 Colton Sissons (C) Canada Nashville Predators (from Philadelphia via Tampa Bay)7 Kelowna Rockets (WHL)
51 Dalton Thrower (D) Canada Montreal Canadiens (from Nashville)8 Saskatoon Blades (WHL)
52 Teodors Blugers (C) Latvia Pittsburgh Penguins Shattuck-Saint Mary's (Midget AAA)
53 Brian Hart (RW) United States Tampa Bay Lightning (from Florida via Philadelphia)9 Exeter (USHS�NH)
54 Mike Winther (C) Canada Dallas Stars (from Boston via Toronto, Colorado and Washington)10 Prince Albert Raiders (WHL)
55 Chris Tierney (C) Canada San Jose Sharks (compensatory)11 London Knights (OHL)
56 Samuel Kurker (RW) United States St. Louis Blues St. John's Prep (USHS�MA)
57 Alexandre Mallet (LW) Canada Vancouver Canucks Rimouski Oceanic (QMJHL)
58 Jordan Martinook (LW) Canada Phoenix Coyotes Vancouver Giants (WHL)
59 Cristoval Nieves (C) United States New York Rangers Kent School (USHS�CT)
60 Damon Severson (D) Canada New Jersey Devils Kelowna Rockets (WHL)
61 Devin Shore (C) Canada Dallas Stars (from Los Angeles via Philadelphia)12 Whitby Fury (OJHL)

Three overagers, no Russians, no goalies

In comment 13510659 BrettNYG10 said:

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In comment 13510609 Anakim said: Quote: Larry Brooks‏ @NYP_Brooksie Deal not yet done, but Rangers will hire Lindy Ruff as assistant coach (in charge of defense, plus) to replace Jeff Beukeboom. Did they fire Beukeboom?

Heading to the scouting department

I wasn't accusing you of anything. I agree the NHL draft is a crap shoot. It is harder to find a franchise goalie in the 1st round than it is to find a franchise QB in the NFL. I would say the majority of the NHL starting goaltenders are drafting after round 1. The only first rounders currently in the NHL who lived up to their billing as first rounders are Price, Fleury, Schneider, Luongo, Rask, and Dubnyk.

the Flames don't get talked about much for the blue line, but shit this is a deep group:

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I still like CBJ, NSH, and ANA - before seeing any final rosters, but Flames are squarely in the conversation.

Isn't Stone a UFA? Or did he re-sign?

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Isn't Stone a UFA? Or did he re-sign?

UFA as far as I know, I was just retweeting that guy, I think his commentary was more on the top 4 anyway.

sell subscription to his site.

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Grant McCagg‏ @grantmccagg #Habs drafted one player in Recrutes top 20, two in my top 30, three in my top 35, four in my top 50, 6 in my top 70, 7 in my top 85.

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Grant McCagg‏ @grantmccagg 15m15 minutes ago Replying to @grantmccagg Needless to say..Habs fans should subscribe to Recrutes as all 7 Habs picks have full profiles w scouts' quotes. http://www.recrutes.ca/subscribe/

I went to the NHL draft when it was in Hartford, CT It was the 1994 draft, I think the league was trying to save the Whale and thought this would help (just a guess). It was a terrible draft and one of the most boring times in my life at a "sporting event" (though I was young-ish).

Highlight of the draft was seeing the stanley cup and getting a picture with it.

In comment 13510679 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13510675 bigbluehoya said: Quote: Isn't Stone a UFA? Or did he re-sign? UFA as far as I know, I was just retweeting that guy, I think his commentary was more on the top 4 anyway.

Yeah, really strong group either way.

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In comment 13510659 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: In comment 13510609 Anakim said: Quote: Larry Brooks‏ @NYP_Brooksie Deal not yet done, but Rangers will hire Lindy Ruff as assistant coach (in charge of defense, plus) to replace Jeff Beukeboom. Did they fire Beukeboom? Heading to the scouting department

Thanks.

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In comment 13510655 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: Good week for the Islanders. So far, you're right. Still need to make one of the moves we've been hearing about, and I expect that to happen after the weekend. Let the teams get through the draft wrap-up process and start negotiations undistracted. The fact that none of the names rumored to be on the move have been traded anywhere yet means no one's missing out on opportunities. As I told my crew here offline, no move beats a bad move every time. I believe Snow does something to positively impact the Isles.

I wasn't as high on Hamonic as some. Fine #3 dman, but I thought he got a bit overrated when he first asked for the trade.

Islanders should parlay those picks into another player, IMO. Unless they 100% know Tavares is signing that extension this summer, they need to act like they only have a one year window, IMO. I think the Islander team as constructed will make the playoffs, but they aren't that far off from being in that second tier of teams IMO.

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Par for the course tbh

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In comment 13510700 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: . Par for the course tbh

Pos.

fan, but I admire the fact he's addressed Galchenyuk head on. And I respect his explanation. I still feel like this approach stifles some young players and it takes a great coach to recognize when it's a net negative and find a way to get the most from the player. Regardless great explanation of the Julien/Therrien way.

I think yesterday was a stunning success for the Rangers. I'm not necessarily crazy about their first pick, but this draft went a long way to replenishing the farm system.

They added a 21 year old puck-moving D-Man. A guy who is a potential all-star if he can overcome some temperment issues.

They also cleared a ton of salary space. Staal likely gets bought out next year when he will only have about 7 million left. If Lundquist continues to decline, he gets bought out the year after that when it will cost only about 9 million spread out over 8 years.

So, finally, they have a clear salary map in place under which they will be able to sign all their own RFAs and keep this core together for the next five years.

Stop the lunacy of constantly trading away top picks for overthehill vets in the vain fantasy that the team is a Yandle or Staal away from a cup.

Rangers are not winning the cup with the Penguins and Blakhawks still in their prime anyway. Think longterm and in three or four years Rangers may be lifting the cup if they get a few breaks. If not, they still should be a top 8 team for quite a number of years.

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Today's highlight: NYR scouting dir. Gordie Clark announcing team's 6th-round pick: "New York Islanders select..." Clark worked for #Isles for years. Right after announcement, Doug Weight walked over to NYR table with #Isles hat for player picked. A nice moment of levity between the two rivals.

Free agent targets...Shattenkirk is not happening. Thanks.

Karl Alzner?

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Karl Alzner?

Alzner is the defenseman I hope the Devils go for if he is willing to sign for 3 year or 4 max. He will be cheaper than Shattenkirk but his contract won't be an albatross at the end of it like Shattenkirk's surely will.

In comment 13510730 Vanzetti said:

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I think yesterday was a stunning success for the Rangers. I'm not necessarily crazy about their first pick, but this draft went a long way to replenishing the farm system. They added a 21 year old puck-moving D-Man. A guy who is a potential all-star if he can overcome some temperment issues. They also cleared a ton of salary space. Staal likely gets bought out next year when he will only have about 7 million left. If Lundquist continues to decline, he gets bought out the year after that when it will cost only about 9 million spread out over 8 years. So, finally, they have a clear salary map in place under which they will be able to sign all their own RFAs and keep this core together for the next five years. Stop the lunacy of constantly trading away top picks for overthehill vets in the vain fantasy that the team is a Yandle or Staal away from a cup. Rangers are not winning the cup with the Penguins and Blakhawks still in their prime anyway. Think longterm and in three or four years Rangers may be lifting the cup if they get a few breaks. If not, they still should be a top 8 team for quite a number of years.

I don't see how this team takes a logical step forward in the next four/five years in your scenario unless you assume they sign a superstar in free agency with the cap space they have.

This type of move in isolation makes me think Gorton is bearish on the team's ability to win during Lundqvist's last year. I suspect there's another move coming - I'd be surprised if the team thought that way.

I found the urgency with which the Rangers tried to trade Stepan a bit odd. He is 26, has a 2 year NMC, and then a 2 year limited NTC. His production is in line with his contract. It struck me as a bit bizarre without something else coming.

I'm a bit disappointed right now - the roster as constructed is probably not making the playoffs.

Pretty much any team that has 1/3 of the salary cap unutilized wouldn't look like a playoff team. That's what the rangers are at the moment.

I don't disagree that the Stepan situation felt a little bit forced.

While we have this much cap space. Lets see where it goes. Especially what gets added at C and RD. We're losing 2 of 3 of the problematic Ds, and hopefully Skjei eats more of Staal's minutes, and Staal can get some shelter.

Sorry for being unclear.

There are paths to contention - it's just not as clear as it was three days ago.

An under the radar team that makes a lot of sense is the Nashville Predators. They just lost Neal to Vegas and are looking for a goal scorer. They are a cup contender obviously but I wonder if Kovalchuk would be willing to go there. If so a 2nd round pick next year or a young defensive prospect is fair. Anything more than that would be great.

they couldn't get more for Stepan.

I always wondered why half the Rangers fans on here clamor to trade Stepan and Nash.

Depending on how they use the space I think they'll miss Stepan.

it's weird, you trade you 1C to free up cap space to then have to go out and get a 1C. Unless the 1C is on the roster who are they going to get that's a) better and b) less expensive?

And throw in a racist defenseman (just taking shots at the kid, I never knew about this until I read it).

because he has a No Movement clause that kicks into his contract on 7/1/17.

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because he has a No Movement clause that kicks into his contract on 7/1/17.

I don't see why this was a huge issue. He's 26, has a reasonable contract and plays a game that should allow him to age well.

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In comment 13511081 Phil in LA said: Quote: because he has a No Movement clause that kicks into his contract on 7/1/17. I don't see why this was a huge issue. He's 26, has a reasonable contract and plays a game that should allow him to age well.

Im not sure his game ages better than any other player, excepting the Cally/Girardi body sacrificing types.

I assume Gorton just didnt want to risk it. He's really been burdened by Sather's NMCs and trades of 1st rounders in his time as GM.

As for pj's point, there simply isnt an argument that moving Stepan for a draft pick makes us better. This is all about his contract.

But even if 24-26 are Stepan's peak years as a forward, I don't think his decline is going to be as sharp as the two you mentioned - at least during the duration of his contract. I'd be pretty surprised if Stepan isn't at least a 2C in the final year of his deal, barring injury.
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I know it was about contract.

My point was on the Rangers Stepan is a first line center.

So you trade him get some salary relief.

And now the Rangers need a first line center.

Who are they going to get to be a first line center than is cheaper and at least as productive?

If that new first line center is not on the roster the Rangers are not likely to save cap space by trading Stepan.

Do they re-sign Zibanejad to be a first line center? I don't think so.

You know how I feel about Kevin Hayes.

I do believe JT Miller could be a 1C, he's got the talent to be one, but I don't think the Rangers believe that, so that leaves your first line center as someone not likely on the roster today.

Unless you think it's Kevin Hayes.

But the Rangers went from a strength (center depth, despite not having an elite one) to a potential weakness.

decided that Zibanejad at 4 years (or so) minimum of 4.5 - 5M per (my guess on Zibby's contract) is better than Stepan at his contract 4 years at 6.5.

I don't think Zibanejad is a bad player at all, but he's one of those big guys who doesn't play big so I'd always prefer the bulldog smaller guys if those are my choices.

Of course you need to wait for the training camp roster, but I feel like the Rangers are going to be a worse team unless they pull off a Duchene trade or sign Jumbo Joe.

an if it's a Duchene trade who do they have to match up with COL who wants a D.

Maybe they have a rabbit up their sleeve with this cap room and make a play for an RFA like Ryan Johansen, Tyler Johnson or Leon Draisatl. Though I don't really know how NHL RFA's work in terms of comp picks, and matching.

This is 2016's info, and now that the 2017 cap is finalized (at $75M), there should be some slight adjustments upwards to these (but not a tremendous difference):

Calculated Offer Sheet Amount - Draft Pick Compensation
$1,239,226 or below - None
Over $1,239,226 to $1,877,615 - Third Round
Over $1,877,615 to $3,755,233 - Second Round
Over $3,755,233 to $5,632,847 - First Round & Third Round
Over $5,632,847 to $7,510,464 - First Round, Second Round, and Third Round
Over $7,510,464 to $9,388,080 - Two First Rounds, Second Round, and Third Round
Over $9,388,080 - Four First Rounds

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This is 2016's info, and now that the 2017 cap is finalized (at $75M), there should be some slight adjustments upwards to these (but not a tremendous difference): Calculated Offer Sheet Amount - Draft Pick Compensation $1,239,226 or below - None Over $1,239,226 to $1,877,615 - Third Round Over $1,877,615 to $3,755,233 - Second Round Over $3,755,233 to $5,632,847 - First Round & Third Round Over $5,632,847 to $7,510,464 - First Round, Second Round, and Third Round Over $7,510,464 to $9,388,080 - Two First Rounds, Second Round, and Third Round Over $9,388,080 - Four First Rounds

Could there be a RFA garth is looking at now that we got an extra 1st and 2 2nds? Isnt this kinda move frowned about by these gms? Garth could be the dbag to do it.

While it's "legal", it's generally a dick move to offer sheet an RFA with the fallout being other GMs remember that and won't want to deal with you later. More of the hockey code, whatever that means these days.

I didn't read this entire thread and I'm not going to at this point, so if this was posted before, my apologies. Very optimistic take on Chytil.
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I didn't read this entire thread and I'm not going to at this point, so if this was posted before, my apologies. Very optimistic take on Chytil. Link - ( New Window )

It's pronounced shit-ll. Some foreshadowing

I actually think Jumbo Joe could make sense for NYR if we can get it done with minimal term.

I know... old, slow, etc. But he's still a fairly productive player. He's only 1 year removed from a PPG season. Maybe he hit the wall this past season and is finally done - but if he'd sign a 1 year deal (I'd grit my teeth on 2 but consider it if the AAV was fair) I'd be interested.

I don't really see where else they'd turn for a top 9 center, barring a trade. I'd rather do Thronton for two years than Hanzal or Bonino for 4-5. And those are just about the only options.

I don't feel like we really have a suitable in-house option, either. Otherwise, I'd be willing to let a younger kid get some burn. I think for a year or two, Joe could be a solid option. I bet he'd be about as productive as Stepan for a fraction of the cost.

And a very NYI thing to do.

with Jumbo Joe is he couldn't really handle the microscope and pressure of Boston, not sure he has the mental makeup to handle NY or the desire at his age.

SJS were really a perfect team for him.

in Alzner.

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Niemi bought out - would be a good short-term backup for NYR, IMO.

I don't love the idea of Jumbo Joe but we need another pivot and I'm not sure we can get anyone more productive than him given what's currently available on the market and in the pipeline.

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in Alzner. Quote: Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun 2m2 minutes ago Montreal Canadiens among the teams that pending UFA Karl Alzner is visiting on his tour this week... lots of teams interesting obviously

It's a relatively weak UFA class. Most players of value are going to have 10+ teams after them.

This is the type of UFA class that can set a franchise back. You end up overpaying for mediocrity.

Forever and ever shall we pick up fading stars looking for their last payday for diminishing production.

teams that got players paid a lot for them and those players were mediocre.

It is - but when you look at our C group right now, what's in our system, and what's available, I'm just not sure there's really a better option. I'd rather not move Miller back into the middle if I have a choice.

That I think some team is going to really regret

are very weak up middle. In fact some of you saying ok with Z getting L1C minutes. I say LMAO.

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It's a relatively weak UFA class. Most players of value are going to have 10+ teams after them. This is the type of UFA class that can set a franchise back. You end up overpaying for mediocrity.

This is why I am confident that the Devils could get something decent in return for Kovalchuk.

As for Alzner I wanted NJ to go after him in free agency but with the news that there is likely to be a bidding war I think they should pass rather than get stuck overpaying with a long term deal.

They would match up well with the Rangers. They have Henrique, Zacha, and Zajac plus prospects, Quenneville, Hischier, McLeod, and Speers. The Devils could also afford to take on a bad contract with all their cap room. Kovy also prefers to play in NY which could also be part of a blockbuster trade. Now the problem obviously is what do the Rangers have to trade. The Devils would prefer defenseman plus draft picks and since the Rangers are likely to be picking late 1st they would require quite a few picks in return.

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There is a lot of interest in Dan Girardi. Hearing he's highly sought after. Will be interesting to see the type of deal he gets post-buyout


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No city visits planned right now for Kevin Shattenkirk but that could change as the week progresses.

that may impact his decision is the Olympics.

I think the door is pretty much slammed on the NHL participating, and players like Kovy, Ovie, Datsyuk, etc. have made it clear they want to play in the Olympics. IN fact Ovie laughed when the report came out and he said "I don't care what they say, I'm playing in the Olympics".

If Kovalchuk plays in the KHL this year he can play in the olympics and then is free to sign anywhere in the NHL next year.

he's getting up there in years so no idea where he feels more pressure (money of the NHL or Olympics), but it could be a factor.

Thornton had 21 pts in 24 playoff games last season when SJ got to the SCF. So, I don't know if I really buy the notion that he can't handle pressure.

He was also playing hurt this past season, IIRC. Which would explain the production dip (though also possible that he's just getting old and hitting a wall)

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Thornton had 21 pts in 24 playoff games last season when SJ got to the SCF. So, I don't know if I really buy the notion that he can't handle pressure. He was also playing hurt this past season, IIRC. Which would explain the production dip (though also possible that he's just getting old and hitting a wall)

San Jose pressure is different than NY or BOS pressure.

Meh, I don't think it's really measurable. Thornton was 26 when he last played for the Bruins.

I doubt a guy who has played in the NHL for two decades really gets all that rattled by pressure at age 37. He's been around and seen everything by now.

In comment 13511724 arcarsenal said:

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Meh, I don't think it's really measurable. Thornton was 26 when he last played for the Bruins. I doubt a guy who has played in the NHL for two decades really gets all that rattled by pressure at age 37. He's been around and seen everything by now.

I don't think he gets rattled by it per se, but given his options and his age I'm not sure he wants it either. I can see him staying in SJ, going to CHI or MIN just as happily. I've even read Boston (which I doubt since they ran him out of town once already).

I think his preference is to stay in SJ. And he or Marleau will stay, but not both.

That's an old team with Thornton, Marleau, Pavelski, Ward, Burns, Paul Martin being core players.

I'd guess they might be the oldest team in the league with one of Marleau or Thornton.

I'd feel better having Stepan for four more years at $6.5M than Thornton for $5+ for three.

With that said, Thornton can certainly be a much better play the next couple years. It's just enormously risky.

I wouldn't give Thornton 3 years. 2 is the max I'd go.

I think he'll be more productive than Stepan over the course of the next 2 seasons if he's healthy though. I also think he can be had for a little less than 5 per.

on Thornton being more productive than Stepan the next two years, in fact I think the opposite is a better bet.

Thornton turns 38 next week.

Remember how quickly the end came for Jarome Iginla. He was the ageless veteran until he wasn't and it was right around the same age as Thornton is now. And from what I know Iginla didn't have the injury like Thornton does.

I would not rely on Thornton being better than Stepan. And if that's the play, save the 6.5M on Stepan to give 5.5M to Thornton over two years it's even more of a head scratcher.

In that contest I take Stepan 10 times out of 10 for the next two years.

I'm not saying Stepan can't be upgraded, of course he could he was a borderline 1C to begin with, but I don't think Thornton is upgrading him - even if he is the best available C on the market that fits the Rangers.

If I were a Rangers fan I'd hope that wasn't the plan to replace Stepan and there is actually a plan (and that plan isn't Zibenajad either).

The Rangers could win it all.

It's a really high risk move, but I can see why they'd do it if they just don't think Stepan could ever elevate his game in April/May/June.

I don't know. I like Stepan a lot but he's going to a less-talented team and he pretty much capped at a 55ish pt player here. Thornton was just an 80 pt player one season ago. At Stepans age, Thornton was like a 110 pt player and a Hart Trophy winner.

Thornton was also playing hurt last year and was still about as productive as Stepan was.

Like I said, it's possible that Thornton just hits that wall now and that's it sort of like MSL did. But Joe's game is different. He's still a really good playmaker.

If he plays 2 full seasons this year and next, I'd be pretty willing to bet that he's just as productive if not more productive than Stepan is.

It also depends where he goes. But I think a healthy Thornton could easily be a 65 pt pivot on this Rangers team. Something Stepan never accomplished.

In comment 13511934 BrettNYG10 said:

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The Rangers could win it all. It's a really high risk move, but I can see why they'd do it if they just don't think Stepan could ever elevate his game in April/May/June.

which would be the height of irony and showing everything Thornton coming full circle since that is the exact reason the Bruins traded him at 26 years old.

So the Rangers trade 26-year old Stepan because he doesn't have the playoff intensity/game elevation and replace him with Thornton who was traded at 26 because he couldn't elevate his game in the playoffs.

26 year old Thornton is obviously immensely better than 26 year old Stepan, but still ironic if it happens.

Former 1st overall who's failed to live up to it is right up Sather's lane. Hope Gorton can resist.

In comment 13511968 Davisian said:

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Former 1st overall who's failed to live up to it is right up Sather's lane. Hope Gorton can resist.

I wanted to roll the dice on him when he left EDM but I'm starting to think it's just never going to click for this kid. I'd pass.

In comment 13511977 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 13511968 Davisian said: Quote: Former 1st overall who's failed to live up to it is right up Sather's lane. Hope Gorton can resist. I wanted to roll the dice on him when he left EDM but I'm starting to think it's just never going to click for this kid. I'd pass.

Major pass. Maybe on a PTO, but even then probably not.

Is a guy who I think could make some sense for NYR at center if they aren't going to fill the void via another trade. He's been around forever but is still only 27, and seems to have put it together a bit at this point. Not a long backlog of success, but he's clearly got some point production talent. Good possession metrics last year with CBJ.

He's due a raise from the sub-$1m he was making, but probably doesn't require big number or term.

Chris Nichols‏ @NicholsOnHockey
"I don�t know that the Rangers are as eager for Shattenkirk as everybody thinks they are." #NYR

In comment 13511924 pjcas18 said:

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on Thornton being more productive than Stepan the next two years, in fact I think the opposite is a better bet. Thornton turns 38 next week. Remember how quickly the end came for Jarome Iginla. He was the ageless veteran until he wasn't and it was right around the same age as Thornton is now. And from what I know Iginla didn't have the injury like Thornton does. I would not rely on Thornton being better than Stepan. And if that's the play, save the 6.5M on Stepan to give 5.5M to Thornton over two years it's even more of a head scratcher. In that contest I take Stepan 10 times out of 10 for the next two I'm not saying Stepan can't be upgraded, of course he could he was a borderline 1C to begin with, but I don't think Thornton is upgrading him - even if he is the best available C on the market that fits the Rangers. If I were a Rangers fan I'd hope that wasn't the plan to replace Stepan and there is actually a plan (and that plan isn't Zibenajad either).

Don't forget the special rules for signing a free agent over 35 years old. I believe you are stuck with that player for the entire contract. Maybe someone can correct me on this.

In comment 13511985 Anakim said:

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Chris Nichols‏ @NicholsOnHockey "I don�t know that the Rangers are as eager for Shattenkirk as everybody thinks they are." #NYR

Here's an article on some of his comments.
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In comment 13511977 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 13511968 Davisian said: Quote: Former 1st overall who's failed to live up to it is right up Sather's lane. Hope Gorton can resist. I wanted to roll the dice on him when he left EDM but I'm starting to think it's just never going to click for this kid. I'd pass.

I wanted the Devils to give him a chance also. Now I am not sure I want him around the young prospects.

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He wasn't even good in the AHL. 2012 draft strikes again.

I'd have no issue if the Rangers signed him, but he'd be a better fit for someone like NYI.

I'd love for Galchenyuk to stay put. I'd love that second line of Drouin, Galchenyuk and Lehkonen.

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Joe Thornton may be turning 38 years old on Sunday, but the veteran center may have no shortage of suitors for his services should he opt to go the unrestricted free agent route. �I think the most interesting guy this week is going to be Joe Thornton,� said NHL Insider Elliotte Friedman during a Monday evening appearance on Sportsnet 590. Host Damien Cox thought Friedman was going to say Alex Galchenyuk. �I get the sense he�s staying, Damien,� replied Friedman of the Montreal Canadiens forward. �I don�t think the trade possibilities materialized as much as they hoped.� Galchenyuk had been heavily-thought to have been on the move, so it�ll be interesting to see how that situation plays out over the next week or so in particular. Friedman then continued on with his point about Thornton. �I don�t know if he�s ready to move, but I think there�s a lot of teams that are going to reach out to him to gauge his interest. Joe Thornton may not be the captain in San Jose anymore, but he�s a huge part of that community. He likes it there. He likes his teammates. He�s still a dominating presence in the room. I mean, there are guys who know him who say they can�t see him leaving. �But he wants some term. And it�s always dangerous with a guy his age to give him term. The belief is that San Jose has some extensions done on July 1 � Martin Jones, Marc-Edouard Vlasic, who are unrestricted in a year from now, but I think they�re going to get those done. �So what�s left. What�s left for Thornton. I think there�s a lot of teams � Nashville, maybe Toronto, Montreal, Rangers � I even wouldn�t be surprised if a team like Columbus, who are all-in in the next two years, would call and say, �What would it take.� � Friedman noted that he thinks Thornton might be asking for three years, �to see what he gets,� and guessed that Thornton�s range might be in the $5-7 million area. �I don�t know. It can all be negotiable, right? I don�t know exactly. I can�t tell you a number. But the three-year term was talked a lot this past week. �And I�ll tell you this: I think there�s a lot of teams that at least want to talk to Joe Thornton and say, �What would it take to get you here,� so they know.�

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If someone's willing to give Thornton 3/18, I'd just say good luck.

2/10 is about the max I'd go there.

IIRC, he and Nash are close friends. Not that it matters much, but..

In comment 13512024 arcarsenal said:

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If someone's willing to give Thornton 3/18, I'd just say good luck. 2/10 is about the max I'd go there. IIRC, he and Nash are close friends. Not that it matters much, but..

If Sather was still GM, I'd have no doubt that Thornton would be a Ranger. None.

See why the extra year is an issue. Who knows what Gorton thinks of this team.

Hank has 4 years left under contract, I agree no big deal going three instead of two years if you view the immediate window as tied to Hank.

It's the money I have an issue with. $7M? GTFO.

Yeah it would just bug me if we were on the hook for 6-7M on Thornton when he's 40 years old. I guess I'm trying to hedge a bit.

In comment 13512033 pjcas18 said:

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Hank has 4 years left under contract, I agree no big deal going three instead of two years if you view the immediate window as tied to Hank. It's the money I have an issue with. $7M? GTFO.

I'm not sure if the Rangers think their window is with Hank.

Unless there's a trade in the works or some guarantee, trading your #1 C for the chance of signing a 38 year old Thornton is asinine.

And if the team was going to make this trade and take a bit of a step back, buying out Girardi was dumb too.

In comment 13512075 BrettNYG10 said:

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In comment 13512033 pjcas18 said: Quote: Hank has 4 years left under contract, I agree no big deal going three instead of two years if you view the immediate window as tied to Hank. It's the money I have an issue with. $7M? GTFO. I'm not sure if the Rangers think their window is with Hank. Unless there's a trade in the works or some guarantee, trading your #1 C for the chance of signing a 38 year old Thornton is asinine. And if the team was going to make this trade and take a bit of a step back, buying out Girardi was dumb too.

I've said that since they announced the trade without getting "ready to contribute" assets back.

but I also learned to have patience, and the June 26 roster isn't the October 1 roster, so need to see whatever moves happen the rest of the way.

Same thing Habs fans are dealing with. They needed a C and they acquired Drouin (a talent, but not a 1C). They need a top 4D, and they didn't trade Galchenyuk for either.

patience, but IMO I don't see an obvious way the Rangers wind up with a 1C, but who knows these GM's get paid for this for a living.

but doesn't seem like a steep price.

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Darren Dreger‏Verified account @DarrenDreger Methot to Dallas for 2nd in 2020 and Ferguson, goalie the Stars just drafted from Kamloops

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Pretty light return for Methot, IMO.

Nice trade for Dallas.

whole roster (FA, trades, etc.) but at least I'm not the only one who thinks this.

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Brian Wilde‏ @BWildeTBD 11h11 hours ago Wow, the VGK are doing absolutely everything to ensure they're not any good before 2020. This is weird. #Methot

yeah they're going to be brutal. I think, given the players exposed, there was a path to at least being respectable. But that clearly wasn't their goal

In comment 13512396 pjcas18 said:

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whole roster (FA, trades, etc.) but at least I'm not the only one who thinks this. Quote: Brian Wilde‏ @BWildeTBD 11h11 hours ago Wow, the VGK are doing absolutely everything to ensure they're not any good before 2020. This is weird. #Methot

They don't have a dman I'd feel comfortable having on my top pair, and only Neal/Marchessault are guys I'd be happy with in my top six.

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NHL on NBC‏Verified account @NHLonNBCSports 9m9 minutes ago Brendan Smith still talking to Rangers, �trying to make it happen� http://wp.me/p14QU5-akzS

Should be a "must sign" for NYR IMO.

Yeah, need to get Smith signed.

Hoping 3.5-4 per is enough to get it done but I may be underestimating a bit.

I think Smith was getting 3.25 before.. wonder if 4x4 is enough to get that done. I'd be comfortable offering that. He's still 28 so I'm not really worried about term. He should be a good player for a few more years.

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Аrpon Basu‏ @ArponBasu 5m5 minutes ago Аrpon Basu Retweeted J-F Chaumont Quick summary: Alzner tells Chaumont he's interested in signing with Habs, wants long term deal, talks with Caps essentially dead right now

I like Alzner, but he's definitely an overpay waiting to happen.

holy crap this list looks awful (according to this author at least he's an Avalanche beat writer I believe).

top 5 by position:

RW:
5: Kunitz
4: Marleau
3. Sharp
2. Vanek
1. Versteeg

C:
5. Derek Ryan (who?)
4. Bonino
3. Gagner
2. Thornton
1. Hanzal

LW:
5. Hemsky
4. Vrbata
3. Jagr
2. Williams
1. Radulov

D:
5. Smith (I'll paste his write-up on Smith below)
4. Franson
3. MDZ
2. Alzner
1. Shattenkirk

G (who cares), no franchise goalies are free agents.

Write up on Smith:

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5. Brendan Smith, New York Rangers Smith's inclusion speaks to class' low quality. He's not prolific offensively and has never carved out a consistent role for the Detroit Red Wings despite his first-round pedigree. He arrived in New York thanks to a midseason trade and immediately slid into the Rangers' blue line. There, he continued to be the solid but unspectacular defenseman he was in Detroit. This is as good a time as any for the 28-year-old to hit the open market, as he boasts impressive underlying numbers despite underwhelming traditional counting stats. He should find a comfortable contract waiting for him in a role he can excel in.

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In comment 13512396 pjcas18 said:

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whole roster (FA, trades, etc.) but at least I'm not the only one who thinks this. Quote: Brian Wilde‏ @BWildeTBD 11h11 hours ago Wow, the VGK are doing absolutely everything to ensure they're not any good before 2020. This is weird. #Methot

It's funny, existing teams got less protecting for this XD because the franchise bidders this time around pointed to how hard it was for the CBJs and Wild to start teams with the crap that was made available to them. New franchisees wanted a better chance to hit the grounds running. And what do they do? Sell off everything for picks/youth.

Im not blaming them. It was pretty obvious. We're now in a world where fans get that teams are going to bottom out to get talent to try to quickly shoot to the top. People watch it in MLB (Cubs, Astros). NBA (Sixers, Wolves). In the NHL in particular, so many winners of late have been built around very high picks, particularly PIT and CHI.

I wonder what they do for the next expansion. Maybe just skip ahead, give the new team extra picks in each round for 2 years, and skip the XD altogether.

I didn't even really think LV would be competitive if they took the best players.

But I don't even think they got great value for the compensation they got not to select certain players or so far the players they've traded away.

I read a lot leading up to the draft about how smart McPhee is and how many side deals he's making, I wasn't impressed.

In other news...quietly putting up a stellar career with only the finishing touches remaining, it appears it may end elsewhere, or I hope it does at this price. on no planet is Markov worth $12M over 2 years and he's his own agent.

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NHL on NBC‏Verified account @NHLonNBCSports 30m30 minutes ago Report: Markov wants $12 million over two years from Montreal

When the NFL added the Panthers and Jaguars, it was almost too easy for those teams. They were literally competitive right away. Carolina was a 12-4 team in their second season and a win away from the Super Bowl. The Jags won 9 games in their 2nd season, 11 in their 3rd, 11 in their 4th and 14 in their 5th.

Ideally, I think expansion teams should suck at first but I think VGK is going to be beyond bad. I don't even think that team will register 40 pts their first year.

As most teams have figured out, though, it's better to be the worst and get a shot at a generational player to turn things around rather than spin your wheels in mediocrity.

Minny got 68 points, with a leading scorer at 39 points (Pellerin). CBJs got 71 points (powerhouse top line: Geoff Sanderson-Espen Knutsen-Steve Heinze). As I said, these were the poster children for F'd by the XD. Atlanta got a measly 39, but they got particularly incompetent goaltending from 4 different guys.

In the pre-bitch-point-era (i.e. lower point totals), Nashville for 63, Tampa 53, Sharks 39, Ducks 71.

With puck luck and goalie skill/equipment size what they are, I think 40 seems low. They'll end up signing a bunch of free agents. Journeymen, yes, but still those guys will get to OT and will wins some games.

I mean, COL was just a 48 point team this past year and they had guys like MacKinnon and Duchene. Obviously a hugely flawed roster but I think the VGK roster might be even worse.

I don't see VGK exceeding 40 points by much. I think they're going to be horrendous. Their blue line is so bad. James Neal is probably the best player on the entire team.

Neal is really a 3rd line player. Marchessault is a journeyman who finally broke into a lineup at 26.

I like Nate Schmidt.

that's their talent (today).

if MAF isn't a brick wall they'll be lucky to not set futility records if they don't add significantly in FA and look above, not a ton available in FA and I'd be surprised if many of the truly talented veterans who have other options even consider LV.

In comment 13512581 arcarsenal said:

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I mean, COL was just a 48 point team this past year and they had guys like MacKinnon and Duchene. Obviously a hugely flawed roster but I think the VGK roster might be even worse. I don't see VGK exceeding 40 points by much. I think they're going to be horrendous. Their blue line is so bad. James Neal is probably the best player on the entire team.

COL was really an anomaly. Usually the worst teams are in the 50s or even 60s. When teams were tanking for McDavid/Eichel they still couldnt get into the 40s. I'll be candid -- Im not sure why COL was that bad. 97.2 PDO stands out -- lowest since 2012-13 FLA. That's been a messy team for a while.

In comment 13512578 Deej said:

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In the pre-bitch-point-era (i.e. lower point totals), Nashville for 63, Tampa 53, Sharks 39, Ducks 71.

You forgot the gold standard for awful modern-era expansion teams, the 10-70-4, 24 point Ottawa Senators.

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In comment 13512578 Deej said: Quote: In the pre-bitch-point-era (i.e. lower point totals), Nashville for 63, Tampa 53, Sharks 39, Ducks 71. You forgot the gold standard for awful modern-era expansion teams, the 10-70-4, 24 point Ottawa Senators.

I have no memory of them being THAT bad. That does give me less confidence that LVK will naturally pass 40 points. I do think that in this era of basically everyone stopping 9 out of 10 shots (or better) and the OTL rule that it's a lot easier to "luck" into handfuls of points. I think MAF is going to give them at least average goaltending (adjust stats down for the low quality in front of him) and will steal them points that Peter Sidorkiewicz wasnt stealing for Ottawa.

for a long time now, so people have forgotten how incredibly bad they were in their first few seasons.

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The team's struggles started before the season when, at the expansion draft, Senators management attempted to make three draft picks who were ineligible. They had wanted to select players from the Canadiens and Maple Leafs after they had both lost two, the maximum. To top it off, the Sens selected C. J. Young from Calgary off the wrong master list of players.[3] The players the Senators did select were "journeymen NHLers or player who had good years in minor leagues but no longer were considered prospects."[4]

could be heading to Tampa. Rangers south.

Not trying to pile on Girardi, but Yzerman is a pretty sharp GM. That would surprise me. But if he'll take something like a $1mm AAV since he's getting that buyout, I suppose he could be useful sheltered on a 3rd pair

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could be heading to Tampa. Rangers south. Not trying to pile on Girardi, but Yzerman is a pretty sharp GM. That would surprise me. But if he'll take something like a $1mm AAV since he's getting that buyout, I suppose he could be useful sheltered on a 3rd pair

Dont overthink this

may snag Duchene (Islanders other name I keep reading).

I'm not the biggest Duchene fan, but he's unquestionably better than Nick Bonino IMO.

A trio of Crosby, Malkin and Duchene at C would be ridiculous. Three Olympians at center alone.

though I suspect they move Duchene to wing if they pull it off.

G will definitely have more value in a situation where he's being paid and deployed properly.

His contract here was obviously not something we were getting a good return on and AV continued to have him log top 4 minutes when he was pretty clearly breaking down.

If Girardi was coming from elsewhere, I'd probably say I wouldn't mind adding him as a 3rd pairing stay at home d-man for cheap.

needs to get together and make sure the Pens do not get Duchene.

Enough is enough.

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Аrpon Basu‏ @ArponBasu 20h20 hours ago The potential UFA class of 2019 on defence is quite something. As in something teams should plan around. (via @CapFriendly)

8/13.5 for McDavid?

Wowzas.

Will probably look better in a few years but that's a lot of coin.

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Quote: Аrpon Basu‏ @ArponBasu 20h20 hours ago The potential UFA class of 2019 on defence is quite something. As in something teams should plan around. (via @CapFriendly)

I know Doughty is in that group. Anybody know who else?


Lot of money for McDavid but I'd give him that. He's that good. And I like the idea of giving him that deal now, with his prime upcoming.

That's some group.

I suspect most never hit the open market. Karlsson is going to get an insane deal.

I'd love a guy like OEL.

In comment 13513446 Kyle in NY said:

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In comment 13513414 pjcas18 said: Quote: Quote: Аrpon Basu‏ @ArponBasu 20h20 hours ago The potential UFA class of 2019 on defence is quite something. As in something teams should plan around. (via @CapFriendly) I know Doughty is in that group. Anybody know who else? Lot of money for McDavid but I'd give him that. He's that good. And I like the idea of giving him that deal now, with his prime upcoming.

You can't see the image?

who knows who gets to FA, but it includes Doughty, Karlsson, Ekman-Larsson, Bouwmeester, Ellis, Orpik, Martin, McDonagh, Stralman, Methot, Hjalmarsson, McQuaid, and more.

but he had a pretty awful season.

He had a down year but he's also on a terrible team. He's also just 25 years old. I'd take him in a second.

the image was blocked. Thanks

and put him on the Rangers, it'd likely be Karlsson.

Got to wonder if the Rangers are thinking the same thing, given their reported reluctance to commit big dollars to Shattenkirk. I'll still believe that when I see it though. Feels like a smoke screen.

Connor McDavid expected to sign an 8yr/$106M extension. I am unsure how they will spread it out, but that's $13M per year

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They're going to be giving him the C, and he was "consulted with heavily" in the Hjalmarsson signing. He's being given a seat at the big boy table and they don't plan on letting him go anywhere. See Friedman's latest 30 Thoughts:

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16. In the tumultuous pre-draft days for Arizona, there was a lot of conjecture about Oliver Ekman-Larsson�s future and happiness. Let�s put the brakes on that. Ekman-Larsson has two more years on his contract and everything the Coyotes are doing is about making him happy. He will be the captain. They consulted him on the Niklas Hjalmarsson trade. (In fact, �consulted� might not be a strong enough word for the role Ekman-Larsson played.) After a crazy week with Shane Doan and Dave Tippett, the Coyotes stabilized their roster with Hjalmarsson, Antti Raanta and Derek Stepan. They needed veterans to ease the burden on their young players and got some. It�s a long road, but they are determined to begin the process. It�s all about keeping number 23.

I didn't realize they were bending over backwards like that to make him happy and keep him there.

Things could still change over the course of the next two years, though. Who knows. He wouldn't be my first choice from that list but he'd be close.

I still don't think offer-sheeting Draisaitl is the craziest idea. After giving McDavid 13.5 per, will EDM match and give Draisaitl 8? They'd be eating an enormous portion of their cap with 2 players.

But especially since the Rangers couldn't find any takers for his deal at 50%.

I can't see them not matching.

extension will be similar (in terms of % of cap) to Crosby and less than Ovechkin.

No-Brainer.

And keep in mind those defenseman UFA dates are 2019 so a couple years away.

Maybe deadline target or next off-season targets.

2018 isn't nearly as lengthy.

There is Carlsson, Mike Green, Marc-Edouard Vlasic, Fowler, Sustr, Garrison, Gudbranson, etc.

Could really put the Caps in a bind with all the other guys they need to fit under the cap.

But offer sheets just don't happen. Nobody wants to make enemies. It's too bad though, cause they'd be a ton of fun.

I think Girardi is reasonably attractive as a depth d-man on a cheap contract.

I said it yesterday, but if I was another team and could add him as a 3rd pairing guy for peanuts, I'd probably have interest.

Stall was worse than Girardi this past season, IMO. I think if Girardi is healthy, he's still a useful stay at home guy.

It's just different from our perspective because of what we were paying him and the fact that AV kept deploying him as a top 4 player.

Also, yeah - I know offer sheeting is rare and sort of a dick move. It won't happen. I'm just living in a fantasy world where we steal Draisaitl and win the Cup.

*Staal

Freudian slip?

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But offer sheets just don't happen. Nobody wants to make enemies. It's too bad though, cause they'd be a ton of fun.

From the last time the Rangers tried the offer sheet route....

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When the Avs matched the Rangers� offer, Lyons sent Rangers GM Neil Smith and president Dave Checketts a framed photo of Nelson Rockefeller, flipping the bird

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An interesting "what if"

From the prospect camp scrimmage, sounds like Chytil is really impressing. Two goals and missed a breakaway for the possible hat trick. Lias Andersson with a goal too. Sean Day drawing really strong reviews along with Berezgalov and Pionk on D

if Neil Smith had just kept his mouth shut about the Avs' finances. It sounds crazy but everything I ever read about the entire affair makes it seem that the anger they felt over being portrayed as a financially struggling franchise is what drove them to scrape together the money to keep him.

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Not bad. I was expecting it right around 4.25 and was hoping it wouldn't be 5 years.

So I was pretty much on target with my 4x4 guess.

Good with me. Not an elite player by any stretch but should be effectve through the life of the deal and it's not a cap killer.

But I'm glad to see there is some hope when it comes to the organization's ability to evaluate D. Smith brings a steadying presence to the group.

Cap space now stands at approximately 19.5 million, if you assume Klein will be off the books somehow. Zib and Fast the only RFAs. Figure about 6 million to sign them...13.5 million free heading into free agency

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Signing Smith doesn't take us out of the running for Shattenkirk - it's still a possibility, but I'm starting to think Gorton doesn't want to go down that path and I don't blame him. I don't think that's a contract that is going to pan out.

If the goal is to win now, maybe it doesn't matter as much. But we just used a buyout on a blue line player who was more a liability than an asset and still have another one on the roster. I'm not sure we should be in a rush to put ourselves in a similar situation again a few years from now with Shattenkirk.

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Now somehow, someway, go get Duchene

Honestly believe Shattenkirk is a foregone conclusion already

but he was better with the Rangers than he was with DET, so maybe something has clicked.

And if my other options are 2 years 12M for 39 year old Andrei Markov I would take a lot of time to think it over. Probably still take Markov but it's close.

In comment 13513880 arcarsenal said:

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Signing Smith doesn't take us out of the running for Shattenkirk - it's still a possibility, but I'm starting to think Gorton doesn't want to go down that path and I don't blame him. I don't think that's a contract that is going to pan out. If the goal is to win now, maybe it doesn't matter as much. But we just used a buyout on a blue line player who was more a liability than an asset and still have another one on the roster. I'm not sure we should be in a rush to put ourselves in a similar situation again a few years from now with Shattenkirk.

I suspect there will be an amnesty buyout in 2019 or whenever the next lockout is. I'm not too worried about term on any single deal if we can get to 2020 with a decent player.

In comment 13513883 Greg from LI said:

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Dan Rosen ✔ �@drosennhl Chatted w/ NYR dir. player personnel Gordie Clark. Feeling is D Pionk, Bereglazov, Day can push to make team. Opening depends on free agency 10:57 AM - 28 Jun 2017

Wow. Day!

On that big UFA Dmen chart, it is worth noting that those are current ages. Each of those guys will be 2 years older in 2019, if my math is correct.

He simply isn't anything special. Not THAT young anymore, either - turns 27 next year.

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but he was better with the Rangers than he was with DET, so maybe something has clicked. And if my other options are 2 years 12M for 39 year old Andrei Markov I would take a lot of time to think it over. Probably still take Markov but it's close.

I think it is reflective of the paucity of good free agents, and 20 new NHL jobs opening up.

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but he was better with the Rangers than he was with DET, so maybe something has clicked. And if my other options are 2 years 12M for 39 year old Andrei Markov I would take a lot of time to think it over. Probably still take Markov but it's close.

The case could be made that Smith was our best defenseman in the playoffs. Think I would take Smith in your scenario

plus Clark's comment that they think Pionk, Bereglazov, and Day could make the team.....yeah, I don't see them spending big for Shattenkirk now.

For 1-2 years.
That's a slight upgrade for Stepan+the additional prospect/pick & salary relief.

In comment 13513893 Greg from LI said:

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plus Clark's comment that they think Pionk, Bereglazov, and Day could make the team.....yeah, I don't see them spending big for Shattenkirk now.

I took Clark's comments to be "coach-speak"

If we don't sign Shatty, what do you do with our new influx of cap space? Extend Mika?

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Just feels very Satherian - but if it makes the team better for the next 3 years or so and we're trying to win while Henrik is here, I can understand the case for it.

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In comment 13513893 Greg from LI said: Quote: plus Clark's comment that they think Pionk, Bereglazov, and Day could make the team.....yeah, I don't see them spending big for Shattenkirk now. I took Clark's comments to be "coach-speak" If we don't sign Shatty, what do you do with our new influx of cap space? Extend Mika?

I thought I read yesterday that NYR had interest in Marleau but I forget where I saw it.

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In comment 13513886 pjcas18 said: Quote: but he was better with the Rangers than he was with DET, so maybe something has clicked. And if my other options are 2 years 12M for 39 year old Andrei Markov I would take a lot of time to think it over. Probably still take Markov but it's close. I think it is reflective of the paucity of good free agents, and 20 new NHL jobs opening up.

Agree, I posted the list of top free agents by position.

No one screams must sign, which leaves things ripe for overpays.

I'd probably rather bring in Yakupov or Grigorenko on a PTO

Here is the list again:
(from an Av's beat writer with some checkered shit in his past, but not much to disagree with here).

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op 5 by position: RW: 5: Kunitz 4: Marleau 3. Sharp 2. Vanek 1. Versteeg C: 5. Derek Ryan (who?) 4. Bonino 3. Gagner 2. Thornton 1. Hanzal LW: 5. Hemsky 4. Vrbata 3. Jagr 2. Williams 1. Radulov D: 5. Smith (I'll paste his write-up on Smith below) 4. Franson 3. MDZ 2. Alzner 1. Shattenkirk G (who cares), no franchise goalies are free agents.

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I thought I read yesterday that NYR had interest in Marleau but I forget where I saw it.

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Lots of interest in Patrick Marleau coming off 27-goal season. Toronto, Anaheim, NYR, SJ, Carolina, Nashville, LA all in the mix.

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In comment 13513886 pjcas18 said: Quote: but he was better with the Rangers than he was with DET, so maybe something has clicked. And if my other options are 2 years 12M for 39 year old Andrei Markov I would take a lot of time to think it over. Probably still take Markov but it's close. The case could be made that Smith was our best defenseman in the playoffs. Think I would take Smith in your scenario

Skjei was by far the best defenseman on the Rangers in the playoffs and 2n and then McDonagh 3rd best is a distant 3rd. Smith over Markov even at their current ages is ridiculous. Only question I'd have is $$$ for Markov. $6M is too much.

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In comment 13513892 Giants in 07 said: Quote: In comment 13513886 pjcas18 said: Quote: but he was better with the Rangers than he was with DET, so maybe something has clicked. And if my other options are 2 years 12M for 39 year old Andrei Markov I would take a lot of time to think it over. Probably still take Markov but it's close. The case could be made that Smith was our best defenseman in the playoffs. Think I would take Smith in your scenario Skjei was by far the best defenseman on the Rangers in the playoffs and 2n and then McDonagh 3rd best is a distant 3rd. Smith over Markov even at their current ages is ridiculous. Only question I'd have is $$$ for Markov. $6M is too much.

Yep. Forgot about Skjei. Damn, he was good.

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If we don't sign Shatty, what do you do with our new influx of cap space? Extend Mika?

You shut your slutty whore mouth, mister.

Hey, those guys who couldn't get their team over the top back when they were in their primes? Let's sign them now that they're old!

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In comment 13513902 arcarsenal said: Quote: I thought I read yesterday that NYR had interest in Marleau but I forget where I saw it. Craig Custance‏Verified account @CraigCustance 22h22 hours ago More Lots of interest in Patrick Marleau coming off 27-goal season. Toronto, Anaheim, NYR, SJ, Carolina, Nashville, LA all in the mix.

Thanks.

I think we could do worse than signing Marleau or Thornton short-term. We wouldn't be signing either player to be a centerpiece here and it's not like they couldn't get SJ anywhere - the team is a year removed from a SCF appearance due largely in part to those two (obviously Burns and Pavelski even moreseo)

I don't love the idea of signing older guys in a decline. I just fail to see where we're getting a productive C from right now. Gagner wouldn't be a bad option but boy are the pickin's slim.

Post-season numbers.

I wonder if there's a trade in the works. I recall (maybe incorrectly) that the Brass/Zibanejad trade was apparently agreed upon around the draft but wasn't completed until mid July.

Given Lundqvist's age, they need to pick a direction - go for it, or rebuild. Half-assing either direction isn't the route to take right now, where 3-4 years ago I thought it made sense to think longer-term.

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Post-season numbers.

You go ahead and build your team based on that and I'll build my team based on other factors.

I'll take Skjei, you take Smith we'll see who wins more.

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In comment 13513919 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: Post-season numbers. You go ahead and build your team based on that and I'll build my team based on other factors. I'll take Skjei, you take Smith we'll see who wins more.

I think those numbers illustrate why Skjei/Smith make such a good pairing.

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I wonder if there's a trade in the works. I recall (maybe incorrectly) that the Brass/Zibanejad trade was apparently agreed upon around the draft but wasn't completed until mid July. Given Lundqvist's age, they need to pick a direction - go for it, or rebuild. Half-assing either direction isn't the route to take right now, where 3-4 years ago I thought it made sense to think longer-term.

Certainly a possibility. I agree that they shouldn't spin their wheels somewhere in the middle.

I still feel like NYR really aren't that far from being a contender but how we address the C position is going to have a major impact on whether we get closer or further away.

I'd prefer to get a younger player - but I also think NYR with the 2015-16 version of Thornton could win. Super risky because Joe will probably fall somewhere between this past season and 2 seasons ago - but there's also the possibility that he's even worse than this past season which would be crappy.

Really hope we can find a way to unload Staal. I don't trust AV to deploy him correctly if we don't.

I still want Kovalchuk - I doubt it's realistic, though.

It makes more sense to me to really try and go for it and win now because we're much closer to that than a team that needs to tear it all down and rebuild, IMO.

Go in now, deal with being awful in a few years and hope we land a generational talent in the draft to re-spark the franchise down the road.

Or we can just sign Tavares as long as he's cool with playing 2nd fiddle to the real JT.

I'd go hard after Radulov.

If you get Radulov then Kovy gets more realistic too - even if it's still a pipe dream.

I want Radulov back on the Canadiens, but I'd rather they roll with Drouin and Galchenyuk than give up the significant $$$ on Radulov and lose Galchenyuk.

I don't see them signing both.

and then the Canadiens can make a play for Duchene who may not be special, but he's a legit C on the dots and a 55 - 65 pt scorer on a normal team.

Makes zero sense for the rangers at the AAV x term being talked about.

Radulov + Kovy would basically use all available space, flies in the face of getting younger, and would preclude any additional spending on the defense, which I still think is needed.

I have a feeling Radulov is going to get like 7-7.5 per given how shitty this FA crop is. A lot of coin for a player of his caliber.

I'd certainly take him - just going to be a bit costly, methinks.

right now to be a contender or not. They have a lot of guys who they must now ask to take on greater roles, as DG and Step are gone, Staal takes a diminishing role, and Nash turns another year older. I dont think it's crazy to sign one of the Sharks or Shatty, but I dont know that the playoff lineup needs to be in place for game one. Maybe we see if a critical mass of guys from Mika, Kreider, Hayes, Miller, Buch, Vesey, Skjei and others take a step forward, then decide.

Smith is a second pair Dman. Not third.

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Makes zero sense for the rangers at the AAV x term being talked about. Radulov + Kovy would basically use all available space, flies in the face of getting younger, and would preclude any additional spending on the defense, which I still think is needed.

then why trade Stepan and buy out Girardi? to add a bunch of small questionable pieces?

I would hope they traded their first line center to use that space to sign a big fish or extend people on the team who need to be extended.

Radulov is a finisher with grit and edge. He's exactly what the Rangers need IMO. Team is way too finesse.

The Rangers don't have a ton of holes, they are a contender today, but you need a goalie to win, and after Hank who is it? A guy like Radulov on a 4 year deal that coincides with Hank is a perfect fit IMO.

If you don't go all in now when do you do it? Clock is ticking. Losing Nash next year (probably) - he'll be a FA at least, Hank getting older, McDonagh and Zuccarello UFA's year after that.

4 years sounds like fewer than Radulov is going to get. At 4 years, maybe I'm a little more open to the idea.

Frankly, my view of the cap space is to significantly invest in the defense. Turn the weakness into a strength.

That won't take all of the space. As for the forward group, I still think there's a trade to be made. I could see them trading a Miller or Hayes + for a 1st/2nd line C that is either overpaid on a contract with remaining term or close to UFA and extendable right now.

If no trades, can't tie up a lot of the $ for too long. Will need it very soon for Miller, Hayes, McDonagh, Zucc (or their respective replacements)

I just think that adding guys who are already 30+ for 5-6 year deals is counter-productive.

Seems like no matter how you slice it, NYR short-term contention is most dependent on forwards that are already there taking steps forward.

doesn't fill the hole at center though

In comment 13514031 bigbluehoya said:

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4 years sounds like fewer than Radulov is going to get. At 4 years, maybe I'm a little more open to the idea. Frankly, my view of the cap space is to significantly invest in the defense. Turn the weakness into a strength. That won't take all of the space. As for the forward group, I still think there's a trade to be made. I could see them trading a Miller or Hayes + for a 1st/2nd line C that is either overpaid on a contract with remaining term or close to UFA and extendable right now. If no trades, can't tie up a lot of the $ for too long. Will need it very soon for Miller, Hayes, McDonagh, Zucc (or their respective replacements) I just think that adding guys who are already 30+ for 5-6 year deals is counter-productive. Seems like no matter how you slice it, NYR short-term contention is most dependent on forwards that are already there taking steps forward.

You know my thoughts on Hayes, I'd trade him in a second, I think of JT Miller like I think of Kreider - should be a star, and if he's not a star it's his coaches fault.

but if you trade Hayes who takes his spot? Is that guy on the roster? If not you're creating another hole.

My thoughts on Radulov were Mika and Hayes are the 1C and 2C (in whatever order) and if Radulov is on the RW you can have a different level of center - you don't need a Crosby with Radulov. He's one of those lefties who prefers RW and he's sound defensively.

he's a very heady player, very physical and gets or sets up the greasy goals, but also has the skills to wow you.

It's really a shame most of his prime was spent in the KHL.

Adding a 3C is a hell of a lot easier if you already have a 1C and 2C.

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I'd go hard after Radulov. If you get Radulov then Kovy gets more realistic too - even if it's still a pipe dream. I want Radulov back on the Canadiens, but I'd rather they roll with Drouin and Galchenyuk than give up the significant $$$ on Radulov and lose Galchenyuk. I don't see them signing both. and then the Canadiens can make a play for Duchene who may not be special, but he's a legit C on the dots and a 55 - 65 pt scorer on a normal team.

I'm not a Duchene fan. I think he was something like -35 last year. Practically didn't score in second half.

In comment 13514343 5BowlsSoon said:

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In comment 13513946 pjcas18 said: Quote: I'd go hard after Radulov. If you get Radulov then Kovy gets more realistic too - even if it's still a pipe dream. I want Radulov back on the Canadiens, but I'd rather they roll with Drouin and Galchenyuk than give up the significant $$$ on Radulov and lose Galchenyuk. I don't see them signing both. and then the Canadiens can make a play for Duchene who may not be special, but he's a legit C on the dots and a 55 - 65 pt scorer on a normal team. I'm not a Duchene fan. I think he was something like -35 last year. Practically didn't score in second half.

I don't put much stock in numbers, especially +/-, when your team is that far out of the playoff race that soon and you're the rumor of trade talk the whole second half. I don't have much question about Duchene's abilities.

He's not an elite 1C, but he's at worst a 2C and I'd take him on my team any day. I'd even consider him just for his faceoff prowess alone.

Sometimes people don't realize how crucial having a dominant face off center is, for those late game offensive/defensive zone drops.

Duchene I believe was #1 in the NHL on the dots last year.

Smoke? Pressure?

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RIP cement head.

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In comment 13514343 5BowlsSoon said: Quote: In comment 13513946 pjcas18 said: Quote: I'd go hard after Radulov. If you get Radulov then Kovy gets more realistic too - even if it's still a pipe dream. I want Radulov back on the Canadiens, but I'd rather they roll with Drouin and Galchenyuk than give up the significant $$$ on Radulov and lose Galchenyuk. I don't see them signing both. and then the Canadiens can make a play for Duchene who may not be special, but he's a legit C on the dots and a 55 - 65 pt scorer on a normal team. I'm not a Duchene fan. I think he was something like -35 last year. Practically didn't score in second half. I don't put much stock in numbers, especially +/-, when your team is that far out of the playoff race that soon and you're the rumor of trade talk the whole second half. I don't have much question about Duchene's abilities. He's not an elite 1C, but he's at worst a 2C and I'd take him on my team any day. I'd even consider him just for his faceoff prowess alone. Sometimes people don't realize how crucial having a dominant face off center is, for those late game offensive/defensive zone drops. Duchene I believe was #1 in the NHL on the dots last year.

I agree about Duchene. As as the Islanders go, he would fit perfectly as the #2 center. Duchene would not need to worry about carrying the team.

However, Sakic is looking to get a package for Duchess as if he is a #1 center.

I didn't blame him at last year's trade deadline. But, this insistence is going to backfire. The longer he waits, the less he will get, imo. Duchene alone will not return assets that will restart a franchise.

I still hope the Isles get Duchene. But the rumored deals are as far as I would go. In other words, Sakic can't have Barzal, Beauvillier, or Ho-Sang.

as mentioned above, but if true I bet the Olympics played a big part in this.

NHL brass continually tries their best to F-up a great thing. Initially I thought no olympics made some sense, but the more I thought about it, that's strictly an ownership/league view. And the NHLPA should have some say and worst case the league should have used it as a bargaining chip.

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Arthur Staple‏Verified account @StapeNewsday 10m10 minutes ago #Isles have reached out to pending UFA Justin Williams, according to his agent. Long list of suitors, would be an interesting fit.

Now that his game 7 streak was broken he'd be of no interest to me.

10 cent head.

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Elliotte Friedman‏Verified account @FriedgeHNIC 5m5 minutes ago Pouliot (EDM) on waivers today for a buyout

Tkachyov might be worth keeping an eye on for NYR. (The winger, not the C) - I think he was supposed to attend prospect camp but had Visa issues.

He's small, but there's a lot of talent there.

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RIP cement head. Quote: Jim Matheson‏ @NHLbyMatty 14m14 minutes ago Dave Semenko who always joked he looking out for No.1 Wayne Gretzky, has passed away after a battle with cancer

Yup, sad to see Cement Head pass on. When we had Gillies, few guys ever made me think that "Hey, Jethro needs to watch out for this guy". He was one. The Great Protector of The Great One. RIP.

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Quote: ColumbusBlueJackets‏Verified account @BlueJacketsNHL 3m3 minutes ago #CBJ buy out contract of left wing Scott Hartnell:

Before any of my fellow NYR fans toss it out there...

No.

Fuck this guy.

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NMC and $4.75M cap hit the next two years. Plus he's a douche.

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In comment 13515027 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: . NMC and $4.75M cap hit the next two years. Plus he's a douche.

I wasn't aware of the NMC. He's a solid second/third liner, if CBJ ate some of that I would have thought there'd be takers.

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In comment 13515048 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 13515027 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: . NMC and $4.75M cap hit the next two years. Plus he's a douche. I wasn't aware of the NMC. He's a solid second/third liner, if CBJ ate some of that I would have thought there'd be takers.

Someone will sign him. and I agree, he's solid 3rd liner grit/sand paper guy with some skill still.

I think it is, in that it's definite now where it was "almost certain" before.

Saves NYR a little extra cap space, I believe. 2-3M, IIRC.

But that he might play in Switzerland.

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I think it is, in that it's definite now where it was "almost certain" before. Saves NYR a little extra cap space, I believe. 2-3M, IIRC.

2.9 million. It ain't chump change. This is a pretty big break

In comment 13515071 Kyle in NY said:

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In comment 13515068 arcarsenal said: Quote: I think it is, in that it's definite now where it was "almost certain" before. Saves NYR a little extra cap space, I believe. 2-3M, IIRC. 2.9 million. It ain't chump change. This is a pretty big break

Yep, you can definitely put 3M to good use in this league.

In comment 13515072 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 13515071 Kyle in NY said: Quote: In comment 13515068 arcarsenal said: Quote: I think it is, in that it's definite now where it was "almost certain" before. Saves NYR a little extra cap space, I believe. 2-3M, IIRC. 2.9 million. It ain't chump change. This is a pretty big break Yep, you can definitely put 3M to good use in this league.

Might be able to afford Tanner Glass for next year.

In comment 13515076 BrettNYG10 said:

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In comment 13515072 arcarsenal said: Quote: In comment 13515071 Kyle in NY said: Quote: In comment 13515068 arcarsenal said: Quote: I think it is, in that it's definite now where it was "almost certain" before. Saves NYR a little extra cap space, I believe. 2-3M, IIRC. 2.9 million. It ain't chump change. This is a pretty big break Yep, you can definitely put 3M to good use in this league. Might be able to afford Tanner Glass for next year.

I think you're making a pretty big assumption that Glass would take a hometown discount.

Someone out there would likely be willing to go 4.5-5 per on a 5 year deal, IMO. Glass demonstrated in the playoffs that he's not only a sandpaper guy, but also a pretty prolific goal scorer.

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Uncle Larry and his headlines....

Hank basically said absolutely nothing out of the ordinary.

Here's the cliff notes...

Will miss Step and G because they were guys he was teammates with for a very long time and cared about both them and their families on a personal level so it's tough to see them go.

Understands, however, that it is a business and these things happen and knows NYR management will do whatever they can do put a competitive team on the ice.

Says the left knee injury he sustained playing for SWE won't affect his prep for the upcoming season at all.

That's it.

I read it, that's why I didn't comment on it.

Player says he's going to miss players he's played with for so long as they leave the team. News at 11.

Stepan, Girardi, Klein, etc.(?) all been here a while. No idea why it's news their teammate is sad to see them leave.

Where's Torts when you need him?

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I read it, that's why I didn't comment on it. Player says he's going to miss players he's played with for so long as they leave the team. News at 11. Stepan, Girardi, Klein, etc.(?) all been here a while. No idea why it's news their teammate is sad to see them leave.

Oh, yeah - no issue with you posting it. Just funny that the headline really doesn't match the article at all. But, that's Brooksie for ya...