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Sammo85 : 6/23/2017 7:03 am
Draft being held in Chicago. Will be on NHL Network and NBCSN. Round 1 tonight at 7pm. Remaining rounds conducted Saturday.

Devils have #1 pick. Current thinking is they go Hischier but some smoke Patrick still in play. Unlikely to trade pick and trade down unless bowled over. Some rumors Vegas may try to trade for pick. Devils supposedly very active in trade talks as well. Rumored to be talking to MTL about Galchenyuk and also Hawks about Hjalmarsson/Anisimov. Some thought Henrique may be in play.

Rangers have #21 pick. Not clear who is being targeted but could see them targeting a defenseman prospect. Quite a few should be available around there. Rumors out there Rangers also in on Galchenyuk and are dangling Stepan around the league.

Isles have no 1st rounder. Rumors abound of trying to trade Hamonic for a 1st rounder in a package. Rumors of Flames being very interested.
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Isles also officially looking to move Hamonic  
pganut : 6/23/2017 12:53 pm : link
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Arthur Staple Retweeted Darren Dreger
With multiple offers for Hamonic, sense is #Isles would rather send him out west if they find a fit.

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Leafs fans...I'm told Toronto is among the teams with strong interest and an offer in on Travis Hamonic. As you were.

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Darren Dreger Retweeted Arthur Staple
I believe Toronto, Calgary, Detroit and Tampa Bay in hard. Arizona was also interested, but Hjalmarsson trade may change that.

Isles look to deal Hamonic out West - ( New Window )
RE: Really  
feelflows : 6/23/2017 12:53 pm : link
In comment 13509483 Giantfootball025 said:
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like DA. Would be more excited about 7th pick in a deeper draft but there's talent to be had. Also we clear a nice amount of cap. Mika, Hayes, JT as centers though?


he's an exciting player. very noticeable on the ice in the AHL.

#7 pick will be fine. The "weak draft" thing is overrated this year. There are some excellent Europeans who are in this year's draft. They were very impressive in the WJC.
RE: Strap in...  
marbles : 6/23/2017 12:55 pm : link
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Chris Nichols‏ @NicholsOnHockey 1m1 minute ago
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#Isles believed to have offer on table for Duchene... #Avs



I am buckled in tightly. This must get done. This is the closest the Isles are ever going to come to significantly improving the roster.
If that Ranger  
Metnut : 6/23/2017 12:58 pm : link
deal is true then I like it from the perspective of a rival in the Metro conference. The deal makes them worse IMO. Stepan is one of their best players and Raanta is a good backup which is important to have with an aging goalie. This has also been pegged as a below average draft for a while, so the draft pick is more like a mid-first in a normal year.

Seems like there is solid interest in Hamonic which should at least lead to a decent return for him. I think his game really has deteriorated after all of the injuries so getting back good value for him would be nice. Duchene would be incredible.
I think there's a solid chance  
feelflows : 6/23/2017 1:01 pm : link
that Liljegren falls to the Rangers.. another guy I was psyched to watch in the WJC... but he had mono.

He would be a steal at 7.

and not to complain  
feelflows : 6/23/2017 1:02 pm : link
but why the need to branch this thread out to separate threads?

it's silly.. Sammo put a nice thread together.
RE: and not to complain  
arcarsenal : 6/23/2017 1:02 pm : link
In comment 13509522 feelflows said:
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but why the need to branch this thread out to separate threads?

it's silly.. Sammo put a nice thread together.


Because Fish will fuckin whine that there's too much Ranger talk if we don't. :)
I read the offer for Duchene is  
feelflows : 6/23/2017 1:05 pm : link
Hamonic, Prospect, next years 1st.. not sure who the source is.

I'm ok with Bellows.. maybe. Sodestrom?? I'd rather not ship MDC. I liked how he transitioned the end of last year.
RE: RE: and not to complain  
pganut : 6/23/2017 1:05 pm : link
In comment 13509523 arcarsenal said:
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Because Fish will fuckin whine that there's too much Ranger talk if we don't. :)
See? You do like him; you really like him! Mad props to you guys for holding him in such high esteem and respektng him. #can'tweallgetalong?
RE: RE: and not to complain  
feelflows : 6/23/2017 1:06 pm : link
In comment 13509523 arcarsenal said:
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but why the need to branch this thread out to separate threads?

it's silly.. Sammo put a nice thread together.



Because Fish will fuckin whine that there's too much Ranger talk if we don't. :)


haha.. but then it wouldn't be a draft/trade deadline day!?

I think last deadline Anakin posted a separate thread about an AHL player swap for the Rangers.. PURE GOLD, JERRY!!
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Jay on the Island : 6/23/2017 1:07 pm : link
In comment 13509380 BrettNYG10 said:
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I don't think the Rangers are that attractive of a destination for a player like him, either. The Rangers have a narrow window with Lundqvist. You're taking quite a bet that they can remain in contention when he's gone. Much rather go to a team with a widening window like TOR, or a team that would be a top tier contender with his addition like MTL.

That's why I think the Devils could have a shot at him in the unlikely event that he leaves. They have a great goaltender in his prime plus a very talented prospect in Blackwood in the AHL to go along with Taylor Hall, Kyle Palmieri, Adam Henrique, Pavel Zacha, Travis Zajac, Michael McLeod, Severson, Mueller, and Quenneville.
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feelflows : 6/23/2017 1:07 pm : link
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Because Fish will fuckin whine that there's too much Ranger talk if we don't. :)

See? You do like him; you really like him! Mad props to you guys for holding him in such high esteem and respektng him. #can'tweallgetalong?


I think hashtag rules PLAINLY state that you cannot use apostrophe.

it just doesn't look right.
It's Hamonic, Dal Colle and  
Renton : 6/23/2017 1:07 pm : link
2018 1st.
RE: I read the offer for Duchene is  
pganut : 6/23/2017 1:09 pm : link
In comment 13509533 feelflows said:
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Hamonic, Prospect, next years 1st.. not sure who the source is.

I'm ok with Bellows.. maybe. Sodestrom?? I'd rather not ship MDC. I liked how he transitioned the end of last year.
Honestly, for Duchene, I'd include BVR as the prospect, and you know I love the kid. But if a true non-NHLer, I'd consider MDC, but prefer it to be Bellows or Wotherspoon (only if they want another D prospect).
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arcarsenal : 6/23/2017 1:11 pm : link
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Because Fish will fuckin whine that there's too much Ranger talk if we don't. :)

See? You do like him; you really like him! Mad props to you guys for holding him in such high esteem and respektng him. #can'tweallgetalong?



I think hashtag rules PLAINLY state that you cannot use apostrophe.

it just doesn't look right.


Yeah, seriously. Learn how to fuckin' tag, pga.

#fishsucks
RE: It's Hamonic, Dal Colle and  
Jay on the Island : 6/23/2017 1:12 pm : link
In comment 13509543 Renton said:
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2018 1st.

If that get's it done then Snow deserves an extension after that and the Eberle trade.
RE: It's Hamonic, Dal Colle and  
marbles : 6/23/2017 1:15 pm : link
In comment 13509543 Renton said:
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2018 1st.


If that is really the deal, then get it done before someone fires Sakic and stops that deal from happening.
Just caught up  
Fish : 6/23/2017 1:15 pm : link
Reading hockey rumors and trades here then bam. Good shit.
Ugh  
JayBinQueens : 6/23/2017 1:17 pm : link
turning into the Rangers giving up all these 1st round picks picks.

Rangers are going to sign Shattenkirk  
Sammo85 : 6/23/2017 1:23 pm : link
I think it's basically a done deal at this point. Rangers need to add a mid line center now though. Maybe they sign Nick Bonino in FA?
Rags  
KWhite2250 : 6/23/2017 1:29 pm : link
Will somehow steal duchene or galchenyuk away from isles now
I hope Tavares stays with Isles  
Sammo85 : 6/23/2017 1:32 pm : link
Him leaving wouldn't gut the franchise but it would kill their hopes of becoming a contender for years to come.
RE: Rags  
feelflows : 6/23/2017 1:34 pm : link
In comment 13509608 KWhite2250 said:
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Will somehow steal duchene or galchenyuk away from isles now


they would have to pay dearly.
RE: Rangers are going to sign Shattenkirk  
pganut : 6/23/2017 1:36 pm : link
In comment 13509581 Sammo85 said:
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I think it's basically a done deal at this point. Rangers need to add a mid line center now though. Maybe they sign Nick Bonino in FA?
The swallow hard moment there, though, is by all reports, Shattenkirk is looking for a 7 year term. I get that length, even longer for guys like JT, Stamkos, McDavid, Matthews, etc., but that's a big dice roll on an incomplete D man (with no disrespect to his talent in that point).
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Jay on the Island : 6/23/2017 1:50 pm : link
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I think it's basically a done deal at this point. Rangers need to add a mid line center now though. Maybe they sign Nick Bonino in FA?

The swallow hard moment there, though, is by all reports, Shattenkirk is looking for a 7 year term. I get that length, even longer for guys like JT, Stamkos, McDavid, Matthews, etc., but that's a big dice roll on an incomplete D man (with no disrespect to his talent in that point).

Agreed, The Devils have been rumored to be interested in him but I don't want to sign him for more than 4 years but that won't get it done. I am sure some team will give him a 6 or 7 year deal I just hope it isn't NJ.
RE: RE: Rangers are going to sign Shattenkirk  
Sammo85 : 6/23/2017 1:51 pm : link
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I think it's basically a done deal at this point. Rangers need to add a mid line center now though. Maybe they sign Nick Bonino in FA?

The swallow hard moment there, though, is by all reports, Shattenkirk is looking for a 7 year term. I get that length, even longer for guys like JT, Stamkos, McDavid, Matthews, etc., but that's a big dice roll on an incomplete D man (with no disrespect to his talent in that point).


Defensemen who push the puck are valued very highly partially because there aren't enough of them. Thus they will get overpaid. Shattenkirk will help Rangers offense. Problem is that back half of the contract. But he solves an Achilles heel that killed them this year at times and in the playoffs for sure.
Oooh, pretty  
Anakim : 6/23/2017 2:13 pm : link
This guy seems like he'd be a great Ranger
Elias Pettersson - ( New Window )
RE: Oooh, pretty  
pganut : 6/23/2017 2:20 pm : link
In comment 13509697 Anakim said:
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This guy seems like he'd be a great Ranger Elias Pettersson - ( New Window )
He's a real nice player. I'd started reading up on him when the Isles still had the #15 pick as he's a guy that would merit a serious look if still there at that point. 7 may be a bit high, but really after the first 2 and certainly 5, I think teams'll take who they like not necessarily according to central scouting rankings.
whether the Isles get Duchene or not  
feelflows : 6/23/2017 2:45 pm : link
they need to move forwards.

Lee-JT-Eberle
HoSang-Barzal-Bailey
Ladd-Nelson-Chimera
Clutt-Cizik-Kulemin

Beauvillier/Prince/Quine all left out (no big deal for Prince/Quine..butthey are fine 3rd line options)

I think Nelson is on his way out. Maybe Bailey? Maybe both?
WTF  
Jay on the Island : 6/23/2017 2:49 pm : link
There are rumors saying that the Devils are leaning towards taking Cale Makar first overall! Please tell me this is a joke.
RE: WTF  
feelflows : 6/23/2017 2:50 pm : link
In comment 13509781 Jay on the Island said:
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There are rumors saying that the Devils are leaning towards taking Cale Makar first overall! Please tell me this is a joke.


nah.. if that was true they would not vocalize it and make a trade to trade to the 3rd/4th pick.
RE: whether the Isles get Duchene or not  
Mike in NY : 6/23/2017 3:36 pm : link
In comment 13509768 feelflows said:
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they need to move forwards.

Lee-JT-Eberle
HoSang-Barzal-Bailey
Ladd-Nelson-Chimera
Clutt-Cizik-Kulemin

Beauvillier/Prince/Quine all left out (no big deal for Prince/Quine..butthey are fine 3rd line options)

I think Nelson is on his way out. Maybe Bailey? Maybe both?


Or have Chimera on the 4th line in place of Kulemin so you can get Beauvillier in the line-up
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Anakim : 6/23/2017 4:47 pm : link
B.D. Gallof‏Verified account
@BDGallof
NHL source: Duchene to #Isles dead




And now Jeff Gorton makes his move...
No way Devils take Makar at 1  
Sammo85 : 6/23/2017 4:53 pm : link
Only in a trade down. Only team that has the ammo to move up are really Vegas and maybe a team in the top 10 that's willing to give up a top young player in addition to their pick.

A lot of smoke Hischier is going to be the pick. We shall see.
TJ Oshie re-ups with the Capitals  
Anakim : 6/23/2017 5:27 pm : link
Washington Capitals‏Verified account
@Capitals

BREAKING: @TJOshie77 is staying in Washington!
Locked in 🔒 for more 8 years!



8 years for a guy who is already 30...
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feelflows : 6/23/2017 5:30 pm : link
In comment 13509990 Anakim said:
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B.D. Gallof‏Verified account
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NHL source: Duchene to #Isles dead




And now Jeff Gorton makes his move...


Was he stalking Joe Sakic?
He's no BD Galoff  
feelflows : 6/23/2017 5:30 pm : link
But....

Elliote Friedman just reported on NHL Network that a potential Hamonic/Duchene trade may hinge on how the 4th pick goes for COL. Interesting
RE: TJ Oshie re-ups with the Capitals  
pganut : 6/23/2017 5:36 pm : link
In comment 13510050 Anakim said:
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Washington Capitals‏Verified account
@Capitals

BREAKING: @TJOshie77 is staying in Washington!
Locked in 🔒 for more 8 years!



8 years for a guy who is already 30...
8-year, $46 million contract. No way they hold this contract to expiration. But I sure hope it costs them signing other key players.
Some Hammer/TOR talk  
pganut : 6/23/2017 5:39 pm : link
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GS and Lou Lamoriello having a draft floor chat. Heard the Leafs are making a big push on Hamonic.
RE: RE: TJ Oshie re-ups with the Capitals  
BrettNYG10 : 6/23/2017 5:45 pm : link
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Washington Capitals‏Verified account
@Capitals

BREAKING: @TJOshie77 is staying in Washington!
Locked in 🔒 for more 8 years!



8 years for a guy who is already 30...

8-year, $46 million contract. No way they hold this contract to expiration. But I sure hope it costs them signing other key players.


Probably counting on an amnesty buyout in the next CBA.
Rangers possibly manuevering  
pganut : 6/23/2017 6:40 pm : link
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Dreger: I'm told #NYR would be willing to move 7 and 21 in first round to #Stars as part of a package to acquire 3. NBCSN
More Rangers  
feelflows : 6/23/2017 6:40 pm : link
So..you can start a new thread about this rumor.

Dreger: I'm told #NYR would be willing to move 7 and 21 in first round to #Stars as part of a package to acquire 3. NBCSN
RE: Rangers possibly manuevering  
feelflows : 6/23/2017 6:40 pm : link
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Chris Nichols‏ @NicholsOnHockey 2m2 minutes ago

Dreger: I'm told #NYR would be willing to move 7 and 21 in first round to #Stars as part of a package to acquire 3. NBCSN



Douche
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pganut : 6/23/2017 6:41 pm : link
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Chris Nichols‏ @NicholsOnHockey 2m2 minutes ago

Dreger: I'm told #NYR would be willing to move 7 and 21 in first round to #Stars as part of a package to acquire 3. NBCSN





Douche
Touche.
RE: More Rangers  
Anakim : 6/23/2017 6:46 pm : link
In comment 13510105 feelflows said:
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So..you can start a new thread about this rumor.

Dreger: I'm told #NYR would be willing to move 7 and 21 in first round to #Stars as part of a package to acquire 3. NBCSN


Seems like too much unless they're taking back Marc Staal
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arcarsenal : 6/23/2017 6:48 pm : link
I'll be honest, I know as close to nothing as I possibly can when it comes to most NHL prospects. Obviously guys like Matthews, McDavid, etc.. I knew about them and how good they were, etc. But in a draft like this, I really don't know much of anything about who is in the pool.

So, if NYR were to move up to 3, who would be a likely target there? Or if they stay @ 7, who can they get there? I keep reading that this is such a weak class, etc. but can they really not get a really good player with the 3rd pick or even 7th? I find that hard to believe. Obviously there are no franchise-altering guys in this class, but there has to be some "very good" even if not elite, no?
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feelflows : 6/23/2017 6:55 pm : link
In comment 13510111 arcarsenal said:
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I'll be honest, I know as close to nothing as I possibly can when it comes to most NHL prospects. Obviously guys like Matthews, McDavid, etc.. I knew about them and how good they were, etc. But in a draft like this, I really don't know much of anything about who is in the pool.

So, if NYR were to move up to 3, who would be a likely target there? Or if they stay @ 7, who can they get there? I keep reading that this is such a weak class, etc. but can they really not get a really good player with the 3rd pick or even 7th? I find that hard to believe. Obviously there are no franchise-altering guys in this class, but there has to be some "very good" even if not elite, no?


there's a couple of ways it could go.

Assuming that Patrick and Hischier go 1/2, I think the best player available is Miro Heiskanen.

A lot of the mocks have Makar going 3, and that's a safe choice.

He skates like Leddy, is very responsible in his own zone and is a great puck mover. Reminds me of Leddy a lot, actually. He's a kid playing in an advanced league.

I'd be all over him at 3. I'm sure if you google him you will like what you read.
I only know  
Kyle in NY : 6/23/2017 6:55 pm : link
a little bit about the top 2 guys, Nolan Patrick and Nico Hischier. And there's been some talk about NJ going off the board a bit and taking a defenseman #1 instead. Maybe NYR are targeting whoever of those two guys then falls to 3. That's my only guess.

7, 21, and Staal for #3 and whichever goalie Dallas wants to dump, Niemi or Lehtonen. Let's do it!
Following on to arc's question  
bigbluehoya : 6/23/2017 6:55 pm : link
How many of the top prospects (if any) this year would you estimate are NHL players on opening night?
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Anakim : 6/23/2017 6:57 pm : link
In comment 13510111 arcarsenal said:
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I'll be honest, I know as close to nothing as I possibly can when it comes to most NHL prospects. Obviously guys like Matthews, McDavid, etc.. I knew about them and how good they were, etc. But in a draft like this, I really don't know much of anything about who is in the pool.

So, if NYR were to move up to 3, who would be a likely target there? Or if they stay @ 7, who can they get there? I keep reading that this is such a weak class, etc. but can they really not get a really good player with the 3rd pick or even 7th? I find that hard to believe. Obviously there are no franchise-altering guys in this class, but there has to be some "very good" even if not elite, no?


The consensus top 4 guys are C Nolan Patrick, C Nico Hischier, D Miro...something and D Cale Makar.


I don't think Gorton, Clark and Co. would trade up for a D so my guess is if Patrick or Nico fall to #3, the Rangers may trade up to #3.


I would do #7, #21 and Marc Staal for #3 and one of the Stars Goalies.
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