NFT: NHL Draft Thread 06/23

Don't know anything about this guy but these scouting reports and reactions are anything but reassuring.

This sounds exactly like the way Manny Malhotra was described when the Rangers drafted him about two rounds too high.

In comment 13510199 Jon in NYC said:

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version of Frank Ntilikina.

YOU'RE BETTER THAN THAT, BOSH.

In comment 13510212 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 13510199 Jon in NYC said: Quote: version of Frank Ntilikina. YOU'RE BETTER THAN THAT, BOSH.

It's an equally absurd statement to this one:

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. arcarsenal : 6/22/2017 8:06 pm : link : reply We're going to get stuck with this fucking French schmuck, aren't we?

to throw on Andersson's line at 21. And why not see if you can pry the Sedin sisters from Vancouver while you're at it and complete the Canucks east plan?

That was kind of the joke....

I don't like the way this week has played out but that's a panic ridden statement. Everyone has this guy in the 1st Round, some have it as a significant reach others do not.

will never stop, but they're always hilarious. No one knows how good this kid will be. Talking about potential ceilings at this point is wild to me.

Gotta trust the staff that has gotten the Rangers to the playoffs 11 out of 12 years. Also, there seem to be more positive comments about him than anything else.

In comment 13510215 arcarsenal said:

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That was kind of the joke....

lolol my bad. That went over my head. Been a long day.

In comment 13510205 Anakim said:

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In comment 13510190 Kyle in NY said: Quote: Pierre compares him to Jesper Fast....alright then, hope it works out. I'm not gonna pull an Anak here. Hope we use that Stepan cap space well IDK. Lots of Rangers fans are going apeshit, but I won't because I have no idea. It seems like a big reach though. Seems like they could've traded down for him.

Anak, I'm only kidding bud. The Mcilrath thing was funny but you were right in the end. All good, hope it works out with this kid. But I'm concerned, I'll admit.

Bering more serious for a second, if we're comparing the Rangers and Knicks, the teams have totally different needs. A "jack of all trades" or "good but not great" role player actually isn't bad for NYR because they kind of need that. They didn't necessarily need to swing for the fences.

For the Knicks, it probably would have made more sense to specifically target upside. If Frank is more of a role player, it doesn't really move the needle at all. If he's more, awesome. Just doesn't seem like many scouts have him pegged as that.

The last thing I want to even think about right now is basketball, though.

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Scout re: Lias Andersson "Tools to be a middle 6 NHL forward that can play on both special teams� #NYR #NHLDraft


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Have to wonder if lack of first-round experience cost the Rangers there.



Career Highlights: J20 Superelit (Overall) Most Assists (35) 15/16 ... J20 Superelit (Overall) Most Points (59) 15/16 ... U18 WJC Silver Medal 15/16...U18 WJC Top 3 Player on Team 15/16

Scouting Report: Two way chameleon moves to the pace of what�s required...in J20 looks like a hardnosed superstar...internationally, gives reliable utility playing a simple game...great shot, works well off the walls, and can skate...he could benefit immensely from a NA based draft season.


ESPN Insider Bio:

http://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/stor...s-players-1-20

16. Lias Andersson, C, HV 71 (SHL)
DOB: 10/13/98 | Ht: 5' 11.25" | Wt: 198
2016-17 stats: 42 GP | 9 G | 10 A

Andersson was a solid piece for HV71 and Sweden's World Junior team this season. All he has done is produce wherever he's gone the past few seasons. He won't dazzle with high-end dekes, but there is a lot of skill to Andersson's game. He makes quick decisions, has a quick shot, sees his options well and has good puck skills. He can be a standout offensive player, though that isn't always the case. Andersson might be below average in size, but he's tough and strong for a player his age, and he can kill penalties adequately. I don't love his skating, but he isn't dragging anvils all over the ice, and considering all the other positive attributes in his offensive game, you can live without game-breaking speed.

But yeah haha, I was just messing around before dude. All good.

a crapshoot as MLB.

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Brian Wilde‏ @BWildeTBD 21m21 minutes ago Brian Wilde Retweeted Jeremy K. Gover Usually picking a player for the first time in the second round, the NYR reached for someone practically ranked there.

I recall similar criticism (low-celing) when Giroux was picked by the Flyers.

General consensus I'm seeing is that he's considered a good player. But maybe could have been had around 12-15. Oh well. I'd like to see us trade 21 now.

10 pick. They tend to go for the safe picks instead of the home run picks.

Al Montoya was a Goalie and as we know now (and as Fishsticks fans know), you don't go for a goalie high. You can get great goalies later on in the draft.

McIlrath was such a safe pick. There was little doubt he would make the NHL eventually, but his upside was INCREDIBLY limited. I don't think anyone thought he would be more than AT BEST a second-pair defensive defenseman. They passed on guys with much higher potentials in Cam Fowler and Vladimir Tarasenko and it came to bite them in the ass given the careers both have had and how McIlrath is dwelling in the AHL.

Ceiling/floor/potential/etc. is just completely bullshit stands. I have zero issues with the Rangers picking a guy they thought was BPA just because consensus had him going in the teens.

In comment 13510231 pjcas18 said:

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a crapshoot as MLB. Quote: Brian Wilde‏ @BWildeTBD 21m21 minutes ago Brian Wilde Retweeted Jeremy K. Gover Usually picking a player for the first time in the second round, the NYR reached for someone practically ranked there.

I'm not that familiar with the MLB Draft but isn't signability a huge issue that affects how teams draft? The NHL, especially the Rangers, don't have much of a problem with that. Of course Kevin Hayes was an exception.

But given the number of times I've heard different analysts refer to the players between 5 and 15 (or some even as broadly as 5 to 25) as fluid/interchangeable/"just a matter of preference", I see little reason to lose my shit about this one.

In fact, I kind of like the idea that he's one of the guys who's seemingly closest to ready for the big show who already just about has the body for the NHL game.

In comment 13510232 BrettNYG10 said:

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I recall similar criticism (low-celing) when Giroux was picked by the Flyers.

I would hope not. I would hope that they think he has 1C potential. Otherwise, they shouldn't have picked him 7th overall.

that he's more than fine as a player but he's terrible value at #7.


At least that's the consensus that I get

Who knows. Maybe the Rangers DON'T think he has the same ceiling the scouts do. In fact, if they took him there, they must think it's a bit higher.

I have no idea if they're right or not.. but I doubt NYR said "well, this guy is sorta safe let's just take him"

In comment 13510236 Anakim said:

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In comment 13510231 pjcas18 said: Quote: a crapshoot as MLB. Quote: Brian Wilde‏ @BWildeTBD 21m21 minutes ago Brian Wilde Retweeted Jeremy K. Gover Usually picking a player for the first time in the second round, the NYR reached for someone practically ranked there. I'm not that familiar with the MLB Draft but isn't signability a huge issue that affects how teams draft? The NHL, especially the Rangers, don't have much of a problem with that. Of course Kevin Hayes was an exception.

absolutely, I just mean in terms of success rate for a draft pick making it to the big league. So much projection for a 17/18 year old kid. outside of the elite prospects it's not great odds of success.

which is why I don't put much faith in rankings.

Can trade into a pick soon and get Liljegren I will be estatic

In comment 13510244 feelflows said:

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Can trade into a pick soon and get Liljegren I will be estatic

Or the Rangers take him at 21 :D

Would have been a great pick mid 1st round but certainly a reach from what you read. They probably thought a player or two that went in top 6 would be there and were surprised when they werent...kinda appears that GoRd Clark is throwing this off on Anders Kallur...

In comment 13510244 feelflows said:

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Can trade into a pick soon and get Liljegren I will be estatic

OK, the Rangers are coming up


Is Liljegren the BPA?

Sack

In comment 13510251 Anakim said:

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In comment 13510244 feelflows said: Quote: Can trade into a pick soon and get Liljegren I will be estatic OK, the Rangers are coming up Is Liljegren the BPA?

To me, he has been for almost 10 picks. Damn Leafs

Responsible for this "TRADE NEWS" shit that keeps flashing on the screen but contains trades from this afternoon needs to be kicked in the nuts.

They say he would've been like a top 7 pick if not for a season-ending shoulder surgery.


Doesn't seem like a Rangers pick though

29. Dallas Stars (from Anaheim Ducks)

Center Filip Chytil, Czech Republic, 6-1/180

Boasts outstanding speed and was able to play in the Czech Elite League this season. Can be a dazzling puck-handler at times.

So I hate it.

Ryan Kennedy‏ @THNRyanKennedy
Rangers get a very talented two-way forward in Filip Chytil. Czech kid played against men back home this year


(((Corey Pronman)))‏Verified account @coreypronman
NYR pick Filip Chytil. One of the youngest players in class, and riser this year. He's a skilled, quick forward.




I love how both scouting reports on NBCSN say the weakness for both of our picks is offense :D

One of the youngest players in the draft; only eligible by a matter of days.

Despite youth, has already played at the highest level in the Czech league. Seems like a high upside guy.

Can't imagine we see him for a few years, but adding a warm body to the pipeline is what you do at 21

ESPN Insider:

http://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/stor...-players-21-40

31. Filip Chytil, C, Zlin (Czech)
DOB: 9/05/99 | Ht: 6' 0.5" | Wt: 178
2016-17 stats: 38 GP | 4 G | 4 A

Chytil was a regular in the top Czech league as a bottom-six forward for his team, despite being one of the youngest players eligible for the 2017 draft. It was hard for me to get a read on Chytil this season. On the one hand, I see a player with a fair amount of talent. On the other, I never saw him take over a game when playing against his age group, and he was often the best player on the second-best line more than being a game-changer. Chytil is an impressive skater who can be tough to check when he's coming through the neutral zone with speed. His stick skills are above average, and I watched him create chances out of nothing. He moves the puck around fine and is creative offensively. Off the puck, I'd like to see more from him in terms of grit and awareness.



Ranked #28 by Hockeyprospect.com
Ranked #64 by ISS Hockey
Ranked #70 by Future Considerations
Ranked #42 by McKeen's Hockey
Ranked #11 by NHL Central Scouting (EU Skaters)
Ranked #31 by TSN/McKenzie

played in the top leagues in their respective countries, at 18 and 17 years old.

Hard to see them having the assets to make any significant trades now. So it's going to be about free agency and the continued development of younger forwards.

Yes, one is a conditional pick, but...ROFL.

In comment 13510288 pganut said:

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Yes, one is a conditional pick, but...ROFL.

Schenn came on really well as the season went on. I think he's a very good player and he's also still young.

In comment 13510277 Kyle in NY said:

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Hard to see them having the assets to make any significant trades now. So it's going to be about free agency and the continued development of younger forwards.

Just wait until the Rangers sign Joe Thornton and/or Patrick Marleau

But the conditional pick is top 10 protected, and according to Friedman can be pushed to 2019, and if that happens, Philly also gets a 3rd in that year.

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Jim Nill says he expects to make a move to get rid of one of his goaltenders next week. Wouldn't specify if it's a trade or buyout.

But I have said for a long time that the rangers are not going to be able to rid themselves of the Staal and Girardi deals.

Staal isn't going to waive except for maybe one or two places, and those places are not interested in 4 more years of that contract at any level of subsidy.

The only way to gain any leverage in the situation is to tell Marc that he's the 7th D and will be wearing a suit more than a jersey, and then follow through on the threat.

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Ryan Reaves has been dealt to the Pittsburgh Penguins. Not sure yet of the other trade details

Elliotte Friedman‏Verified account @FriedgeHNIC
Believe Sundqvist will go to STL in the Ryan Reaves deal. There are also picks involved, including the 31st

I will laugh hysterically

In comment 13510294 Anakim said:

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In comment 13510277 Kyle in NY said: Quote: Hard to see them having the assets to make any significant trades now. So it's going to be about free agency and the continued development of younger forwards. Just wait until the Rangers sign Joe Thornton and/or Patrick Marleau

I'd be ok with that. Thornton more so than Marleau. Free agent C options are really limited. I'm not sure where else they'd go to be honest with two spots to fill.

A first rounder for Ryan Reaves?!?! Reaves is a very good fourth liner, but that's hilarious. A first rounder for a fourth liner.

Analytics believers will show that Reaves is a drag on the team in every way.

If I'm the opponent, I'm running at Crosby a little bit more now in hopes that you trot this jackass out there to put himself in the box or just make you shitty at 5v5.

Can't think of a better mentor for him than Vladimir Tarasenko