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Sammo85 : 6/23/2017 7:03 am
Draft being held in Chicago. Will be on NHL Network and NBCSN. Round 1 tonight at 7pm. Remaining rounds conducted Saturday.

Devils have #1 pick. Current thinking is they go Hischier but some smoke Patrick still in play. Unlikely to trade pick and trade down unless bowled over. Some rumors Vegas may try to trade for pick. Devils supposedly very active in trade talks as well. Rumored to be talking to MTL about Galchenyuk and also Hawks about Hjalmarsson/Anisimov. Some thought Henrique may be in play.

Rangers have #21 pick. Not clear who is being targeted but could see them targeting a defenseman prospect. Quite a few should be available around there. Rumors out there Rangers also in on Galchenyuk and are dangling Stepan around the league.

Isles have no 1st rounder. Rumors abound of trying to trade Hamonic for a 1st rounder in a package. Rumors of Flames being very interested.
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Woooooooo!  
Greg from LI : 6/23/2017 10:10 pm : link
Can't wait for Thornton to come in and put up something like 15-45-60
If there were a way to get Thornton  
bigbluehoya : 6/23/2017 10:13 pm : link
For one year, I'm OK. But it feels like he only leaves SJ for a bigger commitment, and I just don't think you can go there prudently.
I've said this for years  
Anakim : 6/23/2017 10:14 pm : link
Joe Thornton is the most Ranger/Sather type of player that has never been a Ranger.
RE: Woooooooo!  
bigbluehoya : 6/23/2017 10:15 pm : link
In comment 13510314 Greg from LI said:
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Can't wait for Thornton to come in and put up something like 15-45-60


You laugh, but that exceeds Stepan's best year.
RE: Woooooooo!  
Kyle in NY : 6/23/2017 10:15 pm : link
In comment 13510314 Greg from LI said:
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Can't wait for Thornton to come in and put up something like 15-45-60


You wouldn't take that? I'd sign for that right now.
Not that it's his game or anything  
Anakim : 6/23/2017 10:20 pm : link
But Ryan Reaves' best year was last year where he had a grand total of 13 points.


And he was just traded for a first round pick
RE: Not that it's his game or anything  
Rover : 6/23/2017 10:23 pm : link
In comment 13510325 Anakim said:
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But Ryan Reaves' best year was last year where he had a grand total of 13 points.


And he was just traded for a first round pick

Obviously the Pens didn't think much of a difference between the 20 picks.
I've had a few bourbons  
bigbluehoya : 6/23/2017 10:34 pm : link
So bear with me...

Offer Colorado Hayes and Miller for Duchene.

Nash Duchene Zucc
Kreider Ziba Buch
Vesey [FA] Fast
Grabner Boo [FA]

McDonagh [Shatt]
Skjei [Smith]
Staal/DeAngelo/Pionk/Bereglazov

Ideas For the FA winger:
Justin Williams
Drew Stafford
Jarome Iginla

Ideas for FA center:
Jordan Weal
Jumbo Joe
Mike Fisher
Nick Bonino


RE: I've had a few bourbons  
Anakim : 6/23/2017 10:48 pm : link
In comment 13510332 bigbluehoya said:
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So bear with me...

Offer Colorado Hayes and Miller for Duchene.

Nash Duchene Zucc
Kreider Ziba Buch
Vesey [FA] Fast
Grabner Boo [FA]

McDonagh [Shatt]
Skjei [Smith]
Staal/DeAngelo/Pionk/Bereglazov

Ideas For the FA winger:
Justin Williams
Drew Stafford
Jarome Iginla

Ideas for FA center:
Jordan Weal
Jumbo Joe
Mike Fisher
Nick Bonino




Not bad, though I'm not as high on Duchene as many are.


My plan, as of now:

Re-sign Smith
Extend Zibanejad
Sign Thornton to a one or two year deal
Sign Shattenkirk

Find a way to trade Staal. IDK what it will take but just do it. Get rid of him. Staal to Dallas for Lehtonen or Niemi would be fine with me.
Trade Holden for a draft pick.
Hopefully Klein retires


Kreider - Zibanejad - Zuccs
Vesey - Thornton - Nash
Buchnevich - Hayes - Miller
Fast - Boo/Andersson or whomever - Grabner
Puempel


McDonagh-Shattenkirk
Skjei-Smith
Bereglazov-DeAngelo
Kampfer


If we can't sign both Shattenkirk and Smith for some reason, put Pionk in on the third pair and promote DeAngelo to the second pair.

Lundqvist
Niemi or Lehtonen
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Kyle in NY : 6/23/2017 11:32 pm : link
Derek Stepan career PPG: .70
Matt Duchene career PPG: .73

Duchene has played on some pretty bad teams and he's certainly more talented. But I don't think he's worth that steep a price, hoya.
RE: .  
bigbluehoya : 6/23/2017 11:45 pm : link
In comment 13510356 Kyle in NY said:
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Derek Stepan career PPG: .70
Matt Duchene career PPG: .73

Duchene has played on some pretty bad teams and he's certainly more talented. But I don't think he's worth that steep a price, hoya.


That's definitely fair. I wondered the same thing; I was basically spitballing there. But it makes you wonder...

Miller + Hayes + 2018 1st + Graves

For MacKinnon??

Yeah I'd give just about anything  
Kyle in NY : 6/23/2017 11:53 pm : link
to get MacKinnon. Certainly that price there. But I don't think I've seen anything to suggest he's truly available. Brooks just said that the Rangers asked, but I don't think it went anywhere.

Figure Duchene moves somewhere tomorrow, and they stick with MacKinnon. But yeah, that's the ultimate prize.
Ha! Seriously  
Stufftherun : 6/24/2017 1:05 am : link
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RE: Ha! Seriously  
Anakim : 6/24/2017 1:35 am : link
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Pretty elaborate joke
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Stufftherun : 6/24/2017 1:39 am : link
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A little more than elaborate.
Sign thornton  
bxgiants4 : 6/24/2017 8:11 am : link
Deal for jagr

Call it an offseason

Power play will benefit immensely
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pjcas18 : 6/24/2017 8:57 am : link
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maybe if it didn't get released on April 1.
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Stufftherun : 6/24/2017 9:33 am : link
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maybe if it didn't get released on April 1.


The dates always matter.
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pjcas18 : 6/24/2017 9:48 am : link
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maybe if it didn't get released on April 1.



The dates always matter.


not sure about always mattering, but in this case it does
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Stufftherun : 6/24/2017 10:01 am : link
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maybe if it didn't get released on April 1.



The dates always matter.



not sure about always mattering, but in this case it does


Marketing, advertising, PR and even out gov't, time their launches or announcements. There are no coincidences.
OK  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2017 10:03 am : link
seems like you were duped by an April Fool's joke in June. Not sure where this is going.

Have a great day.
RE: OK  
Stufftherun : 6/24/2017 10:27 am : link
In comment 13510525 pjcas18 said:
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seems like you were duped by an April Fool's joke in June. Not sure where this is going.

Have a great day.


I actually thought it was kind of funny and if he did have a cameo or two in some TV light, good for him.
Ok isles fans  
feelflows : 6/24/2017 11:01 am : link
Sounds like hammer is going to Calgary.

Pundits love their salo pick. I'm not familiar.
Ok isles fans  
feelflows : 6/24/2017 11:02 am : link
Sounds like hammer is going to Calgary.

Pundits love their salo pick. I'm not familiar.
According to LeBrun, this is the trade  
marbles : 6/24/2017 11:30 am : link
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Pierre LeBrun ✔ @PierreVLeBrun
Rest of Hamonic deal: believe Isles get a 1st RD pick, two 2nd RD picks while Flames also get a 4th RD pick back
11:23 AM - 24 Jun 2017
Well, Garth got approximate value based on his ask  
pganut : 6/24/2017 11:35 am : link
A 1st, and 2 2nds (approx 1st rd value) and clears about $4M off the books.

Before any Isles fans go nuts, you're crazy if you don't think the extra cap space is valuable as well as picks to now flip. You'd have to expect more moves to come.

And a nice report on Robin Salo here. Other than Criag Button, all ranking sources had this kid in the top 34 overall prospects. Seemingly great value here. Solid but unspectacular.
That is a good return for Hamonic  
marbles : 6/24/2017 11:36 am : link
I wonder if these picks are flipped for another deal.
RE: Well, Garth got approximate value based on his ask  
Mike in NY : 6/24/2017 11:37 am : link
In comment 13510584 pganut said:
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A 1st, and 2 2nds (approx 1st rd value) and clears about $4M off the books.

Before any Isles fans go nuts, you're crazy if you don't think the extra cap space is valuable as well as picks to now flip. You'd have to expect more moves to come.

And a nice report on Robin Salo here. Other than Criag Button, all ranking sources had this kid in the top 34 overall prospects. Seemingly great value here. Solid but unspectacular.


Big knock on Salo appears to be his skating. Supposedly needs a lot of work in that area to be NHL caliber.
RE: RE: Well, Garth got approximate value based on his ask  
pganut : 6/24/2017 11:44 am : link
In comment 13510586 Mike in NY said:
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Big knock on Salo appears to be his skating. Supposedly needs a lot of work in that area to be NHL caliber.
Seems they said something similar about a guy that now wears the C (not that I'm comparing skill levels). I also think being the top scoring D rookie in the Liiga means he has the tools; he'll get on the right conditioning programs to fix the skating.
Devils apparently took a highly-talented Russian named  
Anakim : 6/24/2017 11:44 am : link
Nikita Popugaev. Twitter scouts love him.
Reminder for Rangers fans  
Anakim : 6/24/2017 11:51 am : link
We have picks 123, 145, 157, 174 and 207.
RE: Reminder for Rangers fans  
TheMick7 : 6/24/2017 11:52 am : link
In comment 13510598 Anakim said:
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We have picks 123, 145, 157, 174 and 207.


Haven't been watching because we didn't have 2,3 picks Where are they now in the draft?
RE: RE: Reminder for Rangers fans  
Anakim : 6/24/2017 11:56 am : link
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We have picks 123, 145, 157, 174 and 207.



Haven't been watching because we didn't have 2,3 picks Where are they now in the draft?



Pick 108
Lindy Ruff gets his lifelong wish...kind of  
Anakim : 6/24/2017 12:01 pm : link
Larry Brooks‏ @NYP_Brooksie
Deal not yet done, but Rangers will hire Lindy Ruff as assistant coach (in charge of defense, plus) to replace Jeff Beukeboom.
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TheMick7 : 6/24/2017 12:02 pm : link
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We have picks 123, 145, 157, 174 and 207.



Haven't been watching because we didn't have 2,3 picks Where are they now in the draft?




Pick 108


Thanks
RE: Lindy Ruff gets his lifelong wish...kind of  
feelflows : 6/24/2017 12:03 pm : link
In comment 13510609 Anakim said:
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Larry Brooks‏ @NYP_Brooksie
Deal not yet done, but Rangers will hire Lindy Ruff as assistant coach (in charge of defense, plus) to replace Jeff Beukeboom.


Yeesh. Never a good idea to bring a type a personality former head coach as an assistant.
Rangers take a local kid  
Anakim : 6/24/2017 12:08 pm : link
D Brandon Crawley from New Jersey
Crawley  
Anakim : 6/24/2017 12:11 pm : link
(((Corey Pronman)))‏Verified account @coreypronman
NYR selects Brandon Crawley. One of my fav sleepers. Older defenseman, but always looked effective when I saw London.


Ryan Yessie‏ @RyanHPscout
How about that New York Rangers take @crawldiddy14 in the fourth round. He has come a long way. Big, physical, tough with a shot. Congrats!


Leslie Treff‏ @HFNYRangers
A surprise pick Crawley is a decent sized LD. Big shot good physically


Crawley is a tenacious defensive defenceman who also showed the ability to move the puck well as the season went on in London. He loves the physical play although he is not overly big. He adjusted well during his OHL rookie season to the speed of the game and could have a big year next year on what will be a strong London team. (Tyler Parchem, EP 2015)
Rangers fifth rounder  
Anakim : 6/24/2017 12:35 pm : link
(((Corey Pronman)))‏Verified account @coreypronman
Also like NYR pick Calle Sjalin. Played DIV-1 (aka 3rd level) pro hockey in Sweden. Looked good for Swedish U18 team whenever I watched.
I'm very happy with the Devils draft so far  
Jay on the Island : 6/24/2017 12:42 pm : link
I know most fans say that but Shero's draft strategy has been a welcomed change from Lou's last few years of low upside picks.
Some bits on the Isles' direction from here  
pganut : 6/24/2017 12:48 pm : link
Despite Cyrgalis being a Rangers shill:
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Brett Cyrgalis‏Verified account @BrettCyrgalis 3m3 minutes ago

Garth Snow said he's absolutely more inclined to use his assets to improve his team this year. #Isles


Also, on Hamonic (and honestly, good move by Garth in treating your players with respect and enabling this move to CGY, getting Travis closer to home):
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Rob Taub‏ @RTaub_ 48m48 minutes ago

Hamonic situation just explained to me:

-Wanted to be closer to home
-He wanted out but wouldn't force Garth's hand
-Was fine w/staying

Rob Taub‏ @RTaub_ 59m59 minutes ago

From John Shannon on Toronto radio, Hamonic's mom was not doing well, prayers to Travis and his family #Isles #Flames
Rangers  
Anakim : 6/24/2017 12:49 pm : link
Steve Kournianos‏ @TheDraftAnalyst
Rangers take another double overager. LW Dominik Lakatos. Top Extralegal rookie


Scott Wheeler‏Verified account @scottcwheeler 2m2 minutes ago
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Lakatos a huge get for the Rangers. He was phenomenal in the Czech playoffs, emerged as one of the best players n the league. 21-year-old.
I like the Canadiens  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2017 12:51 pm : link
draft from reading the positions, players size, etc. (all C's and D's (positions not grades) but no immediate help and projection, as I've said, is probably harder in hockey than almost any other sport.

Poehling stood out to me during the US gold medal in the U18 world cup, and they clearly need centers and they drafted some decent sized defensemen.

My real goal for the Canadiens though is at the big league level - to re-sign Galchenyuk, Radulov, and Markov. People walk away from these drafts and everyone loves every teams draft. Only it never works out like people think on draft day.

If the Habs re-sign the players I mentioned above I read a projected second line of Drouin, Galchenyuk and Lehkonen - it would be by far the most skilled 2nd line for the Habs I can remember, but at lot needs to happen for that to happen. I doubt it does. and that would be after a first line of Paccioretty Danault and Radulov.
pj  
Jay on the Island : 6/24/2017 1:22 pm : link
I agree that the NHL draft is probably the hardest in terms of player evaluation. The majority of these picks are teenagers who are continuing to grow and development. Some will improve with age while other's have reached their peak already. Lou left the Devils in shambles with arguably the worst group of prospects in the entire league. His last few drafts were filled with low ceiling players who never made an impact in the NHL. A great example was refusing to forfeit the 30th overall pick instead using it on Matteau who was a bust. Then the following year the Devils ended up forfeiting a top 10 pick instead.

Shero has begun reloading the system and made a great trade of a 2nd round pick for Kyle Palmieri who has developed into a 30 goal scorer. Plus the Taylor Hall and Schneider trades and selections of Pavel Zacha, Michael McLeod, and now Nico Hischier has finally brought hope back to NJ.
We sure do like the guys who hate our team...  
Anakim : 6/24/2017 1:35 pm : link
that's a great haul for Hamonic.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/24/2017 1:40 pm : link
Good week for the Islanders.
Some video  
Kyle in NY : 6/24/2017 1:40 pm : link
of #7 overall Lias Andersson's goal in the Swedish Elite League. Certainly shows some skill there.

The Jesper Fast comparison on the broadcast last night was a bit lazy
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goals*  
Kyle in NY : 6/24/2017 1:41 pm : link
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RE: Lindy Ruff gets his lifelong wish...kind of  
BrettNYG10 : 6/24/2017 1:43 pm : link
In comment 13510609 Anakim said:
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Larry Brooks‏ @NYP_Brooksie
Deal not yet done, but Rangers will hire Lindy Ruff as assistant coach (in charge of defense, plus) to replace Jeff Beukeboom.


Did they fire Beukeboom?
RE: that's a great haul for Hamonic.  
Jay on the Island : 6/24/2017 1:46 pm : link
In comment 13510655 BrettNYG10 said:
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Good week for the Islanders.

Absolutely, Snow received great value for Hamonic and cleared cap room for another deal.
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