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Sammo85 : 6/23/2017 7:03 am
Draft being held in Chicago. Will be on NHL Network and NBCSN. Round 1 tonight at 7pm. Remaining rounds conducted Saturday.

Devils have #1 pick. Current thinking is they go Hischier but some smoke Patrick still in play. Unlikely to trade pick and trade down unless bowled over. Some rumors Vegas may try to trade for pick. Devils supposedly very active in trade talks as well. Rumored to be talking to MTL about Galchenyuk and also Hawks about Hjalmarsson/Anisimov. Some thought Henrique may be in play.

Rangers have #21 pick. Not clear who is being targeted but could see them targeting a defenseman prospect. Quite a few should be available around there. Rumors out there Rangers also in on Galchenyuk and are dangling Stepan around the league.

Isles have no 1st rounder. Rumors abound of trying to trade Hamonic for a 1st rounder in a package. Rumors of Flames being very interested.
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arcarsenal : 6/26/2017 12:32 pm : link
It is - but when you look at our C group right now, what's in our system, and what's available, I'm just not sure there's really a better option. I'd rather not move Miller back into the middle if I have a choice.
Alzner is going to get a Girardi type contract  
Kyle in NY : 6/26/2017 12:36 pm : link
That I think some team is going to really regret
Rags  
Fish : 6/26/2017 12:39 pm : link
are very weak up middle. In fact some of you saying ok with Z getting L1C minutes. I say LMAO.
RE: RE: Lots of interest  
Jay on the Island : 6/26/2017 12:55 pm : link
In comment 13511619 feelflows said:
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It's a relatively weak UFA class. Most players of value are going to have 10+ teams after them.

This is the type of UFA class that can set a franchise back. You end up overpaying for mediocrity.

This is why I am confident that the Devils could get something decent in return for Kovalchuk.

As for Alzner I wanted NJ to go after him in free agency but with the news that there is likely to be a bidding war I think they should pass rather than get stuck overpaying with a long term deal.
The Devils have a lot of depth at C  
Jay on the Island : 6/26/2017 1:03 pm : link
They would match up well with the Rangers. They have Henrique, Zacha, and Zajac plus prospects, Quenneville, Hischier, McLeod, and Speers. The Devils could also afford to take on a bad contract with all their cap room. Kovy also prefers to play in NY which could also be part of a blockbuster trade. Now the problem obviously is what do the Rangers have to trade. The Devils would prefer defenseman plus draft picks and since the Rangers are likely to be picking late 1st they would require quite a few picks in return.
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Anakim : 6/26/2017 1:08 pm : link
David Pagnotta‏
@TheFourthPeriod

There is a lot of interest in Dan Girardi. Hearing he's highly sought after. Will be interesting to see the type of deal he gets post-buyout


Craig Custance‏Verified account
@CraigCustance

No city visits planned right now for Kevin Shattenkirk but that could change as the week progresses.
Only thing with Kovalchuk  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2017 1:12 pm : link
that may impact his decision is the Olympics.

I think the door is pretty much slammed on the NHL participating, and players like Kovy, Ovie, Datsyuk, etc. have made it clear they want to play in the Olympics. IN fact Ovie laughed when the report came out and he said "I don't care what they say, I'm playing in the Olympics".

If Kovalchuk plays in the KHL this year he can play in the olympics and then is free to sign anywhere in the NHL next year.

he's getting up there in years so no idea where he feels more pressure (money of the NHL or Olympics), but it could be a factor.
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arcarsenal : 6/26/2017 1:21 pm : link
Thornton had 21 pts in 24 playoff games last season when SJ got to the SCF. So, I don't know if I really buy the notion that he can't handle pressure.

He was also playing hurt this past season, IIRC. Which would explain the production dip (though also possible that he's just getting old and hitting a wall)
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pjcas18 : 6/26/2017 1:25 pm : link
In comment 13511708 arcarsenal said:
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Thornton had 21 pts in 24 playoff games last season when SJ got to the SCF. So, I don't know if I really buy the notion that he can't handle pressure.

He was also playing hurt this past season, IIRC. Which would explain the production dip (though also possible that he's just getting old and hitting a wall)


San Jose pressure is different than NY or BOS pressure.
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arcarsenal : 6/26/2017 1:42 pm : link
Meh, I don't think it's really measurable. Thornton was 26 when he last played for the Bruins.

I doubt a guy who has played in the NHL for two decades really gets all that rattled by pressure at age 37. He's been around and seen everything by now.
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pjcas18 : 6/26/2017 1:56 pm : link
In comment 13511724 arcarsenal said:
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Meh, I don't think it's really measurable. Thornton was 26 when he last played for the Bruins.

I doubt a guy who has played in the NHL for two decades really gets all that rattled by pressure at age 37. He's been around and seen everything by now.


I don't think he gets rattled by it per se, but given his options and his age I'm not sure he wants it either. I can see him staying in SJ, going to CHI or MIN just as happily. I've even read Boston (which I doubt since they ran him out of town once already).

I think his preference is to stay in SJ. And he or Marleau will stay, but not both.

That's an old team with Thornton, Marleau, Pavelski, Ward, Burns, Paul Martin being core players.

I'd guess they might be the oldest team in the league with one of Marleau or Thornton.

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BrettNYG10 : 6/26/2017 4:01 pm : link
I'd feel better having Stepan for four more years at $6.5M than Thornton for $5+ for three.

With that said, Thornton can certainly be a much better play the next couple years. It's just enormously risky.
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arcarsenal : 6/26/2017 4:11 pm : link
I wouldn't give Thornton 3 years. 2 is the max I'd go.

I think he'll be more productive than Stepan over the course of the next 2 seasons if he's healthy though. I also think he can be had for a little less than 5 per.
I don't think you can count  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2017 4:18 pm : link
on Thornton being more productive than Stepan the next two years, in fact I think the opposite is a better bet.

Thornton turns 38 next week.

Remember how quickly the end came for Jarome Iginla. He was the ageless veteran until he wasn't and it was right around the same age as Thornton is now. And from what I know Iginla didn't have the injury like Thornton does.

I would not rely on Thornton being better than Stepan. And if that's the play, save the 6.5M on Stepan to give 5.5M to Thornton over two years it's even more of a head scratcher.

In that contest I take Stepan 10 times out of 10 for the next two years.

I'm not saying Stepan can't be upgraded, of course he could he was a borderline 1C to begin with, but I don't think Thornton is upgrading him - even if he is the best available C on the market that fits the Rangers.

If I were a Rangers fan I'd hope that wasn't the plan to replace Stepan and there is actually a plan (and that plan isn't Zibenajad either).
If Thornton bounces back to what he was in 15/16,  
BrettNYG10 : 6/26/2017 4:27 pm : link
The Rangers could win it all.

It's a really high risk move, but I can see why they'd do it if they just don't think Stepan could ever elevate his game in April/May/June.
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arcarsenal : 6/26/2017 4:28 pm : link
I don't know. I like Stepan a lot but he's going to a less-talented team and he pretty much capped at a 55ish pt player here. Thornton was just an 80 pt player one season ago. At Stepans age, Thornton was like a 110 pt player and a Hart Trophy winner.

Thornton was also playing hurt last year and was still about as productive as Stepan was.

Like I said, it's possible that Thornton just hits that wall now and that's it sort of like MSL did. But Joe's game is different. He's still a really good playmaker.

If he plays 2 full seasons this year and next, I'd be pretty willing to bet that he's just as productive if not more productive than Stepan is.

It also depends where he goes. But I think a healthy Thornton could easily be a 65 pt pivot on this Rangers team. Something Stepan never accomplished.
RE: If Thornton bounces back to what he was in 15/16,  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2017 4:34 pm : link
In comment 13511934 BrettNYG10 said:
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The Rangers could win it all.

It's a really high risk move, but I can see why they'd do it if they just don't think Stepan could ever elevate his game in April/May/June.


which would be the height of irony and showing everything Thornton coming full circle since that is the exact reason the Bruins traded him at 26 years old.

So the Rangers trade 26-year old Stepan because he doesn't have the playoff intensity/game elevation and replace him with Thornton who was traded at 26 because he couldn't elevate his game in the playoffs.

26 year old Thornton is obviously immensely better than 26 year old Stepan, but still ironic if it happens.
Yakupov is now a UFA  
Davisian : 6/26/2017 4:59 pm : link
Former 1st overall who's failed to live up to it is right up Sather's lane. Hope Gorton can resist.

Post-season, re retaining possession on a D zone exit  
Deej : 6/26/2017 5:04 pm : link
RE: Yakupov is now a UFA  
arcarsenal : 6/26/2017 5:09 pm : link
In comment 13511968 Davisian said:
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Former 1st overall who's failed to live up to it is right up Sather's lane. Hope Gorton can resist.


I wanted to roll the dice on him when he left EDM but I'm starting to think it's just never going to click for this kid. I'd pass.
RE: RE: Yakupov is now a UFA  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2017 5:17 pm : link
In comment 13511977 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13511968 Davisian said:


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Former 1st overall who's failed to live up to it is right up Sather's lane. Hope Gorton can resist.




I wanted to roll the dice on him when he left EDM but I'm starting to think it's just never going to click for this kid. I'd pass.


Major pass. Maybe on a PTO, but even then probably not.

Sam Gagner  
bigbluehoya : 6/26/2017 5:19 pm : link
Is a guy who I think could make some sense for NYR at center if they aren't going to fill the void via another trade. He's been around forever but is still only 27, and seems to have put it together a bit at this point. Not a long backlog of success, but he's clearly got some point production talent. Good possession metrics last year with CBJ.

He's due a raise from the sub-$1m he was making, but probably doesn't require big number or term.
Bob McKenzie  
Anakim : 6/26/2017 5:24 pm : link
Chris Nichols‏ @NicholsOnHockey
"I dont know that the Rangers are as eager for Shattenkirk as everybody thinks they are." #NYR
RE: I don't think you can count  
SJGiant : 6/26/2017 5:27 pm : link
In comment 13511924 pjcas18 said:
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on Thornton being more productive than Stepan the next two years, in fact I think the opposite is a better bet.

Thornton turns 38 next week.

Remember how quickly the end came for Jarome Iginla. He was the ageless veteran until he wasn't and it was right around the same age as Thornton is now. And from what I know Iginla didn't have the injury like Thornton does.

I would not rely on Thornton being better than Stepan. And if that's the play, save the 6.5M on Stepan to give 5.5M to Thornton over two years it's even more of a head scratcher.

In that contest I take Stepan 10 times out of 10 for the next two

I'm not saying Stepan can't be upgraded, of course he could he was a borderline 1C to begin with, but I don't think Thornton is upgrading him - even if he is the best available C on the market that fits the Rangers.

If I were a Rangers fan I'd hope that wasn't the plan to replace Stepan and there is actually a plan (and that plan isn't Zibenajad either).


Don't forget the special rules for signing a free agent over 35 years old. I believe you are stuck with that player for the entire contract. Maybe someone can correct me on this.
RE: Bob McKenzie  
BrettNYG10 : 6/26/2017 5:34 pm : link
In comment 13511985 Anakim said:
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Chris Nichols‏ @NicholsOnHockey
"I dont know that the Rangers are as eager for Shattenkirk as everybody thinks they are." #NYR


Here's an article on some of his comments.
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RE: RE: Yakupov is now a UFA  
Jay on the Island : 6/26/2017 5:50 pm : link
In comment 13511977 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13511968 Davisian said:


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Former 1st overall who's failed to live up to it is right up Sather's lane. Hope Gorton can resist.




I wanted to roll the dice on him when he left EDM but I'm starting to think it's just never going to click for this kid. I'd pass.

I wanted the Devils to give him a chance also. Now I am not sure I want him around the young prospects.
Stefan Matteau also now a UFA  
Davisian : 6/26/2017 5:57 pm : link
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RE: Stefan Matteau also now a UFA  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2017 5:59 pm : link
In comment 13512003 Davisian said:
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He wasn't even good in the AHL. 2012 draft strikes again.
Rangers have done well with those reclamation projects.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/26/2017 6:15 pm : link
I'd have no issue if the Rangers signed him, but he'd be a better fit for someone like NYI.
Some Thornton and Galchenyuk comments  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2017 6:24 pm : link
I'd love for Galchenyuk to stay put. I'd love that second line of Drouin, Galchenyuk and Lehkonen.

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Joe Thornton may be turning 38 years old on Sunday, but the veteran center may have no shortage of suitors for his services should he opt to go the unrestricted free agent route.

I think the most interesting guy this week is going to be Joe Thornton, said NHL Insider Elliotte Friedman during a Monday evening appearance on Sportsnet 590.

Host Damien Cox thought Friedman was going to say Alex Galchenyuk.

I get the sense hes staying, Damien, replied Friedman of the Montreal Canadiens forward. I dont think the trade possibilities materialized as much as they hoped.

Galchenyuk had been heavily-thought to have been on the move, so itll be interesting to see how that situation plays out over the next week or so in particular.

Friedman then continued on with his point about Thornton.

I dont know if hes ready to move, but I think theres a lot of teams that are going to reach out to him to gauge his interest. Joe Thornton may not be the captain in San Jose anymore, but hes a huge part of that community. He likes it there. He likes his teammates. Hes still a dominating presence in the room. I mean, there are guys who know him who say they cant see him leaving.

But he wants some term. And its always dangerous with a guy his age to give him term. The belief is that San Jose has some extensions done on July 1 Martin Jones, Marc-Edouard Vlasic, who are unrestricted in a year from now, but I think theyre going to get those done.

So whats left. Whats left for Thornton. I think theres a lot of teams Nashville, maybe Toronto, Montreal, Rangers I even wouldnt be surprised if a team like Columbus, who are all-in in the next two years, would call and say, What would it take.

Friedman noted that he thinks Thornton might be asking for three years, to see what he gets, and guessed that Thorntons range might be in the $5-7 million area.

I dont know. It can all be negotiable, right? I dont know exactly. I cant tell you a number. But the three-year term was talked a lot this past week.

And Ill tell you this: I think theres a lot of teams that at least want to talk to Joe Thornton and say, What would it take to get you here, so they know.

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arcarsenal : 6/26/2017 6:32 pm : link
If someone's willing to give Thornton 3/18, I'd just say good luck.

2/10 is about the max I'd go there.

IIRC, he and Nash are close friends. Not that it matters much, but..
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Anakim : 6/26/2017 6:34 pm : link
In comment 13512024 arcarsenal said:
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If someone's willing to give Thornton 3/18, I'd just say good luck.

2/10 is about the max I'd go there.

IIRC, he and Nash are close friends. Not that it matters much, but..


If Sather was still GM, I'd have no doubt that Thornton would be a Ranger. None.
If you think Thornton could be the difference for a Cup, then I don't  
BrettNYG10 : 6/26/2017 6:34 pm : link
See why the extra year is an issue. Who knows what Gorton thinks of this team.
When you think about it  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2017 6:39 pm : link
Hank has 4 years left under contract, I agree no big deal going three instead of two years if you view the immediate window as tied to Hank.

It's the money I have an issue with. $7M? GTFO.

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arcarsenal : 6/26/2017 6:44 pm : link
Yeah it would just bug me if we were on the hook for 6-7M on Thornton when he's 40 years old. I guess I'm trying to hedge a bit.
RE: When you think about it  
BrettNYG10 : 6/26/2017 8:06 pm : link
In comment 13512033 pjcas18 said:
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Hank has 4 years left under contract, I agree no big deal going three instead of two years if you view the immediate window as tied to Hank.

It's the money I have an issue with. $7M? GTFO.


I'm not sure if the Rangers think their window is with Hank.

Unless there's a trade in the works or some guarantee, trading your #1 C for the chance of signing a 38 year old Thornton is asinine.

And if the team was going to make this trade and take a bit of a step back, buying out Girardi was dumb too.
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pjcas18 : 6/26/2017 8:19 pm : link
In comment 13512075 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 13512033 pjcas18 said:


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Hank has 4 years left under contract, I agree no big deal going three instead of two years if you view the immediate window as tied to Hank.

It's the money I have an issue with. $7M? GTFO.




I'm not sure if the Rangers think their window is with Hank.

Unless there's a trade in the works or some guarantee, trading your #1 C for the chance of signing a 38 year old Thornton is asinine.

And if the team was going to make this trade and take a bit of a step back, buying out Girardi was dumb too.


I've said that since they announced the trade without getting "ready to contribute" assets back.

but I also learned to have patience, and the June 26 roster isn't the October 1 roster, so need to see whatever moves happen the rest of the way.

Same thing Habs fans are dealing with. They needed a C and they acquired Drouin (a talent, but not a 1C). They need a top 4D, and they didn't trade Galchenyuk for either.

patience, but IMO I don't see an obvious way the Rangers wind up with a 1C, but who knows these GM's get paid for this for a living.
Damn, I liked Methot as a potential Hab  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2017 8:28 pm : link
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John Shannon‏Verified account @JSportsnet 3m3 minutes ago

Marc Methot is a Dallas Star.
Don't know the goalie  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2017 8:31 pm : link
but doesn't seem like a steep price.

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Darren Dreger‏Verified account @DarrenDreger

Methot to Dallas for 2nd in 2020 and Ferguson, goalie the Stars just drafted from Kamloops
That's a great trade for the Stars  
Anakim : 6/26/2017 8:36 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 6/26/2017 8:39 pm : link
Pretty light return for Methot, IMO.

Nice trade for Dallas.
Still haven't seen their  
pjcas18 : 6/27/2017 10:48 am : link
whole roster (FA, trades, etc.) but at least I'm not the only one who thinks this.

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Brian Wilde‏ @BWildeTBD 11h11 hours ago

Wow, the VGK are doing absolutely everything to ensure they're not any good before 2020. This is weird. #Methot
Now after seeing the roster  
Kyle in NY : 6/27/2017 11:07 am : link
yeah they're going to be brutal. I think, given the players exposed, there was a path to at least being respectable. But that clearly wasn't their goal
RE: Still haven't seen their  
BrettNYG10 : 6/27/2017 11:13 am : link
In comment 13512396 pjcas18 said:
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whole roster (FA, trades, etc.) but at least I'm not the only one who thinks this.



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Brian Wilde‏ @BWildeTBD 11h11 hours ago

Wow, the VGK are doing absolutely everything to ensure they're not any good before 2020. This is weird. #Methot




They don't have a dman I'd feel comfortable having on my top pair, and only Neal/Marchessault are guys I'd be happy with in my top six.
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pjcas18 : 6/27/2017 11:26 am : link
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NHL on NBC‏Verified account @NHLonNBCSports 9m9 minutes ago

Brendan Smith still talking to Rangers, trying to make it happen http://wp.me/p14QU5-akzS


Should be a "must sign" for NYR IMO.
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arcarsenal : 6/27/2017 11:31 am : link
Yeah, need to get Smith signed.

Hoping 3.5-4 per is enough to get it done but I may be underestimating a bit.
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pjcas18 : 6/27/2017 11:33 am : link
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Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun 21s21 seconds ago

The Alex Radulov camp has heard form 10-11 teams so far. Not planning site visits at this point; still want to keep Montreal in the mix, too
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arcarsenal : 6/27/2017 11:38 am : link
I think Smith was getting 3.25 before.. wonder if 4x4 is enough to get that done. I'd be comfortable offering that. He's still 28 so I'm not really worried about term. He should be a good player for a few more years.
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pjcas18 : 6/27/2017 11:49 am : link
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Аrpon Basu‏ @ArponBasu 5m5 minutes ago

Аrpon Basu Retweeted J-F Chaumont

Quick summary: Alzner tells Chaumont he's interested in signing with Habs, wants long term deal, talks with Caps essentially dead right now


I like Alzner, but he's definitely an overpay waiting to happen.
Is the the worst year ever for NHL Free agents?  
pjcas18 : 6/27/2017 1:01 pm : link
holy crap this list looks awful (according to this author at least he's an Avalanche beat writer I believe).

top 5 by position:

RW:
5: Kunitz
4: Marleau
3. Sharp
2. Vanek
1. Versteeg

C:
5. Derek Ryan (who?)
4. Bonino
3. Gagner
2. Thornton
1. Hanzal

LW:
5. Hemsky
4. Vrbata
3. Jagr
2. Williams
1. Radulov

D:
5. Smith (I'll paste his write-up on Smith below)
4. Franson
3. MDZ
2. Alzner
1. Shattenkirk

G (who cares), no franchise goalies are free agents.

Write up on Smith:

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5. Brendan Smith, New York Rangers

Smith's inclusion speaks to class' low quality. He's not prolific offensively and has never carved out a consistent role for the Detroit Red Wings despite his first-round pedigree.

He arrived in New York thanks to a midseason trade and immediately slid into the Rangers' blue line. There, he continued to be the solid but unspectacular defenseman he was in Detroit.

This is as good a time as any for the 28-year-old to hit the open market, as he boasts impressive underlying numbers despite underwhelming traditional counting stats. He should find a comfortable contract waiting for him in a role he can excel in.

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