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Sammo85 : 6/23/2017 7:03 am
Draft being held in Chicago. Will be on NHL Network and NBCSN. Round 1 tonight at 7pm. Remaining rounds conducted Saturday.

Devils have #1 pick. Current thinking is they go Hischier but some smoke Patrick still in play. Unlikely to trade pick and trade down unless bowled over. Some rumors Vegas may try to trade for pick. Devils supposedly very active in trade talks as well. Rumored to be talking to MTL about Galchenyuk and also Hawks about Hjalmarsson/Anisimov. Some thought Henrique may be in play.

Rangers have #21 pick. Not clear who is being targeted but could see them targeting a defenseman prospect. Quite a few should be available around there. Rumors out there Rangers also in on Galchenyuk and are dangling Stepan around the league.

Isles have no 1st rounder. Rumors abound of trying to trade Hamonic for a 1st rounder in a package. Rumors of Flames being very interested.
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RE: Still haven't seen their  
Deej : 6/27/2017 1:05 pm : link
In comment 13512396 pjcas18 said:
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whole roster (FA, trades, etc.) but at least I'm not the only one who thinks this.



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Brian Wilde‏ @BWildeTBD 11h11 hours ago

Wow, the VGK are doing absolutely everything to ensure they're not any good before 2020. This is weird. #Methot




It's funny, existing teams got less protecting for this XD because the franchise bidders this time around pointed to how hard it was for the CBJs and Wild to start teams with the crap that was made available to them. New franchisees wanted a better chance to hit the grounds running. And what do they do? Sell off everything for picks/youth.

Im not blaming them. It was pretty obvious. We're now in a world where fans get that teams are going to bottom out to get talent to try to quickly shoot to the top. People watch it in MLB (Cubs, Astros). NBA (Sixers, Wolves). In the NHL in particular, so many winners of late have been built around very high picks, particularly PIT and CHI.

I wonder what they do for the next expansion. Maybe just skip ahead, give the new team extra picks in each round for 2 years, and skip the XD altogether.
Based on who was available  
pjcas18 : 6/27/2017 1:14 pm : link
I didn't even really think LV would be competitive if they took the best players.

But I don't even think they got great value for the compensation they got not to select certain players or so far the players they've traded away.

I read a lot leading up to the draft about how smart McPhee is and how many side deals he's making, I wasn't impressed.

In other news...quietly putting up a stellar career with only the finishing touches remaining, it appears it may end elsewhere, or I hope it does at this price. on no planet is Markov worth $12M over 2 years and he's his own agent.

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NHL on NBC‏Verified account @NHLonNBCSports 30m30 minutes ago

Report: Markov wants $12 million over two years from Montreal
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arcarsenal : 6/27/2017 1:15 pm : link
When the NFL added the Panthers and Jaguars, it was almost too easy for those teams. They were literally competitive right away. Carolina was a 12-4 team in their second season and a win away from the Super Bowl. The Jags won 9 games in their 2nd season, 11 in their 3rd, 11 in their 4th and 14 in their 5th.

Ideally, I think expansion teams should suck at first but I think VGK is going to be beyond bad. I don't even think that team will register 40 pts their first year.

As most teams have figured out, though, it's better to be the worst and get a shot at a generational player to turn things around rather than spin your wheels in mediocrity.
They'll get 40 points I think  
Deej : 6/27/2017 2:11 pm : link
Minny got 68 points, with a leading scorer at 39 points (Pellerin). CBJs got 71 points (powerhouse top line: Geoff Sanderson-Espen Knutsen-Steve Heinze). As I said, these were the poster children for F'd by the XD. Atlanta got a measly 39, but they got particularly incompetent goaltending from 4 different guys.

In the pre-bitch-point-era (i.e. lower point totals), Nashville for 63, Tampa 53, Sharks 39, Ducks 71.

With puck luck and goalie skill/equipment size what they are, I think 40 seems low. They'll end up signing a bunch of free agents. Journeymen, yes, but still those guys will get to OT and will wins some games.
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arcarsenal : 6/27/2017 2:15 pm : link
I mean, COL was just a 48 point team this past year and they had guys like MacKinnon and Duchene. Obviously a hugely flawed roster but I think the VGK roster might be even worse.

I don't see VGK exceeding 40 points by much. I think they're going to be horrendous. Their blue line is so bad. James Neal is probably the best player on the entire team.
James  
pjcas18 : 6/27/2017 2:26 pm : link
Neal is really a 3rd line player. Marchessault is a journeyman who finally broke into a lineup at 26.

I like Nate Schmidt.

that's their talent (today).

if MAF isn't a brick wall they'll be lucky to not set futility records if they don't add significantly in FA and look above, not a ton available in FA and I'd be surprised if many of the truly talented veterans who have other options even consider LV.

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Deej : 6/27/2017 2:56 pm : link
In comment 13512581 arcarsenal said:
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I mean, COL was just a 48 point team this past year and they had guys like MacKinnon and Duchene. Obviously a hugely flawed roster but I think the VGK roster might be even worse.

I don't see VGK exceeding 40 points by much. I think they're going to be horrendous. Their blue line is so bad. James Neal is probably the best player on the entire team.


COL was really an anomaly. Usually the worst teams are in the 50s or even 60s. When teams were tanking for McDavid/Eichel they still couldnt get into the 40s. I'll be candid -- Im not sure why COL was that bad. 97.2 PDO stands out -- lowest since 2012-13 FLA. That's been a messy team for a while.
RE: They'll get 40 points I think  
Greg from LI : 6/27/2017 2:57 pm : link
In comment 13512578 Deej said:
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In the pre-bitch-point-era (i.e. lower point totals), Nashville for 63, Tampa 53, Sharks 39, Ducks 71.


You forgot the gold standard for awful modern-era expansion teams, the 10-70-4, 24 point Ottawa Senators.
RE: RE: They'll get 40 points I think  
Deej : 6/27/2017 3:36 pm : link
In comment 13512637 Greg from LI said:
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In the pre-bitch-point-era (i.e. lower point totals), Nashville for 63, Tampa 53, Sharks 39, Ducks 71.



You forgot the gold standard for awful modern-era expansion teams, the 10-70-4, 24 point Ottawa Senators.


I have no memory of them being THAT bad. That does give me less confidence that LVK will naturally pass 40 points. I do think that in this era of basically everyone stopping 9 out of 10 shots (or better) and the OTL rule that it's a lot easier to "luck" into handfuls of points. I think MAF is going to give them at least average goaltending (adjust stats down for the low quality in front of him) and will steal them points that Peter Sidorkiewicz wasnt stealing for Ottawa.
I think it's because Ottawa has been decent to very good  
Greg from LI : 6/27/2017 4:58 pm : link
for a long time now, so people have forgotten how incredibly bad they were in their first few seasons.

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The team's struggles started before the season when, at the expansion draft, Senators management attempted to make three draft picks who were ineligible. They had wanted to select players from the Canadiens and Maple Leafs after they had both lost two, the maximum. To top it off, the Sens selected C. J. Young from Calgary off the wrong master list of players.[3] The players the Senators did select were "journeymen NHLers or player who had good years in minor leagues but no longer were considered prospects."[4]
Sens' first GM (not kidding)  
Deej : 6/27/2017 5:02 pm : link
Talk that Girardi  
Kyle in NY : 6/27/2017 7:50 pm : link
could be heading to Tampa. Rangers south.

Not trying to pile on Girardi, but Yzerman is a pretty sharp GM. That would surprise me. But if he'll take something like a $1mm AAV since he's getting that buyout, I suppose he could be useful sheltered on a 3rd pair
RE: Talk that Girardi  
Deej : 6/27/2017 7:54 pm : link
In comment 13512879 Kyle in NY said:
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could be heading to Tampa. Rangers south.

Not trying to pile on Girardi, but Yzerman is a pretty sharp GM. That would surprise me. But if he'll take something like a $1mm AAV since he's getting that buyout, I suppose he could be useful sheltered on a 3rd pair




Dont overthink this
I read the Penguins  
pjcas18 : 6/27/2017 7:57 pm : link
may snag Duchene (Islanders other name I keep reading).

I'm not the biggest Duchene fan, but he's unquestionably better than Nick Bonino IMO.

A trio of Crosby, Malkin and Duchene at C would be ridiculous. Three Olympians at center alone.

though I suspect they move Duchene to wing if they pull it off.

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arcarsenal : 6/27/2017 7:58 pm : link
G will definitely have more value in a situation where he's being paid and deployed properly.

His contract here was obviously not something we were getting a good return on and AV continued to have him log top 4 minutes when he was pretty clearly breaking down.

If Girardi was coming from elsewhere, I'd probably say I wouldn't mind adding him as a 3rd pairing stay at home d-man for cheap.
The whole league  
Kyle in NY : 6/27/2017 8:03 pm : link
needs to get together and make sure the Pens do not get Duchene.

Enough is enough.
Worth mentioning  
pjcas18 : 6/28/2017 9:53 am : link
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Аrpon Basu‏ @ArponBasu 20h20 hours ago

The potential UFA class of 2019 on defence is quite something. As in something teams should plan around. (via @CapFriendly)


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arcarsenal : 6/28/2017 10:08 am : link
8/13.5 for McDavid?

Wowzas.

Will probably look better in a few years but that's a lot of coin.
RE: Worth mentioning  
Kyle in NY : 6/28/2017 10:12 am : link
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Аrpon Basu‏ @ArponBasu 20h20 hours ago

The potential UFA class of 2019 on defence is quite something. As in something teams should plan around. (via @CapFriendly)





I know Doughty is in that group. Anybody know who else?


Lot of money for McDavid but I'd give him that. He's that good. And I like the idea of giving him that deal now, with his prime upcoming.
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arcarsenal : 6/28/2017 10:17 am : link
That's some group.

I suspect most never hit the open market. Karlsson is going to get an insane deal.

I'd love a guy like OEL.
RE: RE: Worth mentioning  
pjcas18 : 6/28/2017 10:22 am : link
In comment 13513446 Kyle in NY said:
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Аrpon Basu‏ @ArponBasu 20h20 hours ago

The potential UFA class of 2019 on defence is quite something. As in something teams should plan around. (via @CapFriendly)







I know Doughty is in that group. Anybody know who else?


Lot of money for McDavid but I'd give him that. He's that good. And I like the idea of giving him that deal now, with his prime upcoming.


You can't see the image?

who knows who gets to FA, but it includes Doughty, Karlsson, Ekman-Larsson, Bouwmeester, Ellis, Orpik, Martin, McDonagh, Stralman, Methot, Hjalmarsson, McQuaid, and more.
I'm a fan of OEL  
Greg from LI : 6/28/2017 10:23 am : link
but he had a pretty awful season.
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arcarsenal : 6/28/2017 10:28 am : link
He had a down year but he's also on a terrible team. He's also just 25 years old. I'd take him in a second.
Work computer  
Kyle in NY : 6/28/2017 10:42 am : link
the image was blocked. Thanks
If I could take any one player in the league  
Kyle in NY : 6/28/2017 10:44 am : link
and put him on the Rangers, it'd likely be Karlsson.

Got to wonder if the Rangers are thinking the same thing, given their reported reluctance to commit big dollars to Shattenkirk. I'll still believe that when I see it though. Feels like a smoke screen.
Just saw a report  
figgy2989 : 6/28/2017 10:46 am : link
Connor McDavid expected to sign an 8yr/$106M extension. I am unsure how they will spread it out, but that's $13M per year
Or what Arc said at 10:03  
figgy2989 : 6/28/2017 10:47 am : link
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OEL is being made into the AZ centerpiece  
pganut : 6/28/2017 10:49 am : link
They're going to be giving him the C, and he was "consulted with heavily" in the Hjalmarsson signing. He's being given a seat at the big boy table and they don't plan on letting him go anywhere. See Friedman's latest 30 Thoughts:
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16. In the tumultuous pre-draft days for Arizona, there was a lot of conjecture about Oliver Ekman-Larssons future and happiness. Lets put the brakes on that. Ekman-Larsson has two more years on his contract and everything the Coyotes are doing is about making him happy. He will be the captain. They consulted him on the Niklas Hjalmarsson trade. (In fact, consulted might not be a strong enough word for the role Ekman-Larsson played.) After a crazy week with Shane Doan and Dave Tippett, the Coyotes stabilized their roster with Hjalmarsson, Antti Raanta and Derek Stepan. They needed veterans to ease the burden on their young players and got some. Its a long road, but they are determined to begin the process. Its all about keeping number 23.
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arcarsenal : 6/28/2017 10:53 am : link
I didn't realize they were bending over backwards like that to make him happy and keep him there.

Things could still change over the course of the next two years, though. Who knows. He wouldn't be my first choice from that list but he'd be close.

I still don't think offer-sheeting Draisaitl is the craziest idea. After giving McDavid 13.5 per, will EDM match and give Draisaitl 8? They'd be eating an enormous portion of their cap with 2 players.
I don't understand how Girardi could have so many suitors (at all).  
BrettNYG10 : 6/28/2017 10:58 am : link
But especially since the Rangers couldn't find any takers for his deal at 50%.
yeah, but McDavid and Draisaitl are by far their two best players  
Greg from LI : 6/28/2017 11:01 am : link
I can't see them not matching.
The McDavid  
pjcas18 : 6/28/2017 11:02 am : link
extension will be similar (in terms of % of cap) to Crosby and less than Ovechkin.

No-Brainer.

And keep in mind those defenseman UFA dates are 2019 so a couple years away.

Maybe deadline target or next off-season targets.

2018 isn't nearly as lengthy.

There is Carlsson, Mike Green, Marc-Edouard Vlasic, Fowler, Sustr, Garrison, Gudbranson, etc.
A Kuznetsov offer sheet is another  
Kyle in NY : 6/28/2017 11:03 am : link
Could really put the Caps in a bind with all the other guys they need to fit under the cap.

But offer sheets just don't happen. Nobody wants to make enemies. It's too bad though, cause they'd be a ton of fun.
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arcarsenal : 6/28/2017 11:04 am : link
I think Girardi is reasonably attractive as a depth d-man on a cheap contract.

I said it yesterday, but if I was another team and could add him as a 3rd pairing guy for peanuts, I'd probably have interest.

Stall was worse than Girardi this past season, IMO. I think if Girardi is healthy, he's still a useful stay at home guy.

It's just different from our perspective because of what we were paying him and the fact that AV kept deploying him as a top 4 player.
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arcarsenal : 6/28/2017 11:05 am : link
Also, yeah - I know offer sheeting is rare and sort of a dick move. It won't happen. I'm just living in a fantasy world where we steal Draisaitl and win the Cup.
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arcarsenal : 6/28/2017 11:05 am : link
*Staal

Freudian slip?
RE: A Kuznetsov offer sheet is another  
Greg from LI : 6/28/2017 11:07 am : link
In comment 13513546 Kyle in NY said:
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But offer sheets just don't happen. Nobody wants to make enemies. It's too bad though, cause they'd be a ton of fun.


From the last time the Rangers tried the offer sheet route....

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When the Avs matched the Rangers offer, Lyons sent Rangers GM Neil Smith and president Dave Checketts a framed photo of Nelson Rockefeller, flipping the bird

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Hah yeah, that Joe Sakic saga sounded wild  
Kyle in NY : 6/28/2017 11:11 am : link
An interesting "what if"

From the prospect camp scrimmage, sounds like Chytil is really impressing. Two goals and missed a breakaway for the possible hat trick. Lias Andersson with a goal too. Sean Day drawing really strong reviews along with Berezgalov and Pionk on D
It's hilarious to think that the Avs might have just let Sakic go  
Greg from LI : 6/28/2017 11:14 am : link
if Neil Smith had just kept his mouth shut about the Avs' finances. It sounds crazy but everything I ever read about the entire affair makes it seem that the anger they felt over being portrayed as a financially struggling franchise is what drove them to scrape together the money to keep him.
Smith deal apparently 4 years, $4.35M.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/28/2017 2:08 pm : link
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RE: Smith deal apparently 4 years, $4.35M.  
bigbluehoya : 6/28/2017 2:10 pm : link
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Not bad. I was expecting it right around 4.25 and was hoping it wouldn't be 5 years.
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arcarsenal : 6/28/2017 2:12 pm : link
So I was pretty much on target with my 4x4 guess.

Good with me. Not an elite player by any stretch but should be effectve through the life of the deal and it's not a cap killer.
Maybe a bit rich on the AAV  
Kyle in NY : 6/28/2017 2:14 pm : link
But I'm glad to see there is some hope when it comes to the organization's ability to evaluate D. Smith brings a steadying presence to the group.

Cap space now stands at approximately 19.5 million, if you assume Klein will be off the books somehow. Zib and Fast the only RFAs. Figure about 6 million to sign them...13.5 million free heading into free agency
So I guess no Shattenkirk?  
Rover : 6/28/2017 2:21 pm : link
?
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arcarsenal : 6/28/2017 2:26 pm : link
Signing Smith doesn't take us out of the running for Shattenkirk - it's still a possibility, but I'm starting to think Gorton doesn't want to go down that path and I don't blame him. I don't think that's a contract that is going to pan out.

If the goal is to win now, maybe it doesn't matter as much. But we just used a buyout on a blue line player who was more a liability than an asset and still have another one on the roster. I'm not sure we should be in a rush to put ourselves in a similar situation again a few years from now with Shattenkirk.

FWIW  
Greg from LI : 6/28/2017 2:30 pm : link

Dan Rosen
✔ @drosennhl

Chatted w/ NYR dir. player personnel Gordie Clark. Feeling is D Pionk, Bereglazov, Day can push to make team. Opening depends on free agency

10:57 AM - 28 Jun 2017
Was hoping they would get that done  
Giants in 07 : 6/28/2017 2:32 pm : link
Now somehow, someway, go get Duchene

Honestly believe Shattenkirk is a foregone conclusion already

Sounds like a lot for Smith  
pjcas18 : 6/28/2017 2:35 pm : link
but he was better with the Rangers than he was with DET, so maybe something has clicked.

And if my other options are 2 years 12M for 39 year old Andrei Markov I would take a lot of time to think it over. Probably still take Markov but it's close.

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BrettNYG10 : 6/28/2017 2:36 pm : link
In comment 13513880 arcarsenal said:
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Signing Smith doesn't take us out of the running for Shattenkirk - it's still a possibility, but I'm starting to think Gorton doesn't want to go down that path and I don't blame him. I don't think that's a contract that is going to pan out.

If the goal is to win now, maybe it doesn't matter as much. But we just used a buyout on a blue line player who was more a liability than an asset and still have another one on the roster. I'm not sure we should be in a rush to put ourselves in a similar situation again a few years from now with Shattenkirk.


I suspect there will be an amnesty buyout in 2019 or whenever the next lockout is. I'm not too worried about term on any single deal if we can get to 2020 with a decent player.
RE: FWIW  
Deej : 6/28/2017 2:36 pm : link
In comment 13513883 Greg from LI said:
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Dan Rosen
✔ @drosennhl

Chatted w/ NYR dir. player personnel Gordie Clark. Feeling is D Pionk, Bereglazov, Day can push to make team. Opening depends on free agency

10:57 AM - 28 Jun 2017


Wow. Day!

On that big UFA Dmen chart, it is worth noting that those are current ages. Each of those guys will be 2 years older in 2019, if my math is correct.
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