NFT: NHL Draft Thread 06/23

He simply isn't anything special. Not THAT young anymore, either - turns 27 next year.

In comment 13513886 pjcas18 said:

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but he was better with the Rangers than he was with DET, so maybe something has clicked. And if my other options are 2 years 12M for 39 year old Andrei Markov I would take a lot of time to think it over. Probably still take Markov but it's close.

I think it is reflective of the paucity of good free agents, and 20 new NHL jobs opening up.

In comment 13513886 pjcas18 said:

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but he was better with the Rangers than he was with DET, so maybe something has clicked. And if my other options are 2 years 12M for 39 year old Andrei Markov I would take a lot of time to think it over. Probably still take Markov but it's close.

The case could be made that Smith was our best defenseman in the playoffs. Think I would take Smith in your scenario

plus Clark's comment that they think Pionk, Bereglazov, and Day could make the team.....yeah, I don't see them spending big for Shattenkirk now.

For 1-2 years.
That's a slight upgrade for Stepan+the additional prospect/pick & salary relief.

In comment 13513893 Greg from LI said:

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plus Clark's comment that they think Pionk, Bereglazov, and Day could make the team.....yeah, I don't see them spending big for Shattenkirk now.

I took Clark's comments to be "coach-speak"

If we don't sign Shatty, what do you do with our new influx of cap space? Extend Mika?

In comment 13513888 BrettNYG10 said:

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In comment 13513880 arcarsenal said: Quote: Signing Smith doesn't take us out of the running for Shattenkirk - it's still a possibility, but I'm starting to think Gorton doesn't want to go down that path and I don't blame him. I don't think that's a contract that is going to pan out. If the goal is to win now, maybe it doesn't matter as much. But we just used a buyout on a blue line player who was more a liability than an asset and still have another one on the roster. I'm not sure we should be in a rush to put ourselves in a similar situation again a few years from now with Shattenkirk. I suspect there will be an amnesty buyout in 2019 or whenever the next lockout is. I'm not too worried about term on any single deal if we can get to 2020 with a decent player.

Just feels very Satherian - but if it makes the team better for the next 3 years or so and we're trying to win while Henrik is here, I can understand the case for it.

In comment 13513899 Giants in 07 said:

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In comment 13513893 Greg from LI said: Quote: plus Clark's comment that they think Pionk, Bereglazov, and Day could make the team.....yeah, I don't see them spending big for Shattenkirk now. I took Clark's comments to be "coach-speak" If we don't sign Shatty, what do you do with our new influx of cap space? Extend Mika?

I thought I read yesterday that NYR had interest in Marleau but I forget where I saw it.

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In comment 13513886 pjcas18 said: Quote: but he was better with the Rangers than he was with DET, so maybe something has clicked. And if my other options are 2 years 12M for 39 year old Andrei Markov I would take a lot of time to think it over. Probably still take Markov but it's close. I think it is reflective of the paucity of good free agents, and 20 new NHL jobs opening up.

Agree, I posted the list of top free agents by position.

No one screams must sign, which leaves things ripe for overpays.

I'd probably rather bring in Yakupov or Grigorenko on a PTO

Here is the list again:
(from an Av's beat writer with some checkered shit in his past, but not much to disagree with here).

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op 5 by position: RW: 5: Kunitz 4: Marleau 3. Sharp 2. Vanek 1. Versteeg C: 5. Derek Ryan (who?) 4. Bonino 3. Gagner 2. Thornton 1. Hanzal LW: 5. Hemsky 4. Vrbata 3. Jagr 2. Williams 1. Radulov D: 5. Smith (I'll paste his write-up on Smith below) 4. Franson 3. MDZ 2. Alzner 1. Shattenkirk G (who cares), no franchise goalies are free agents.

In comment 13513902 arcarsenal said:

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I thought I read yesterday that NYR had interest in Marleau but I forget where I saw it.

Craig Custance‏Verified account @CraigCustance 22h22 hours ago
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Lots of interest in Patrick Marleau coming off 27-goal season. Toronto, Anaheim, NYR, SJ, Carolina, Nashville, LA all in the mix.

In comment 13513892 Giants in 07 said:

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In comment 13513886 pjcas18 said: Quote: but he was better with the Rangers than he was with DET, so maybe something has clicked. And if my other options are 2 years 12M for 39 year old Andrei Markov I would take a lot of time to think it over. Probably still take Markov but it's close. The case could be made that Smith was our best defenseman in the playoffs. Think I would take Smith in your scenario

Skjei was by far the best defenseman on the Rangers in the playoffs and 2n and then McDonagh 3rd best is a distant 3rd. Smith over Markov even at their current ages is ridiculous. Only question I'd have is $$$ for Markov. $6M is too much.

In comment 13513907 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13513892 Giants in 07 said: Quote: In comment 13513886 pjcas18 said: Quote: but he was better with the Rangers than he was with DET, so maybe something has clicked. And if my other options are 2 years 12M for 39 year old Andrei Markov I would take a lot of time to think it over. Probably still take Markov but it's close. The case could be made that Smith was our best defenseman in the playoffs. Think I would take Smith in your scenario Skjei was by far the best defenseman on the Rangers in the playoffs and 2n and then McDonagh 3rd best is a distant 3rd. Smith over Markov even at their current ages is ridiculous. Only question I'd have is $$$ for Markov. $6M is too much.

Yep. Forgot about Skjei. Damn, he was good.

In comment 13513901 BrettNYG10 said:

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If we don't sign Shatty, what do you do with our new influx of cap space? Extend Mika?

You shut your slutty whore mouth, mister.

Hey, those guys who couldn't get their team over the top back when they were in their primes? Let's sign them now that they're old!

In comment 13513905 BrettNYG10 said:

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In comment 13513902 arcarsenal said: Quote: I thought I read yesterday that NYR had interest in Marleau but I forget where I saw it. Craig Custance‏Verified account @CraigCustance 22h22 hours ago More Lots of interest in Patrick Marleau coming off 27-goal season. Toronto, Anaheim, NYR, SJ, Carolina, Nashville, LA all in the mix.

Thanks.

I think we could do worse than signing Marleau or Thornton short-term. We wouldn't be signing either player to be a centerpiece here and it's not like they couldn't get SJ anywhere - the team is a year removed from a SCF appearance due largely in part to those two (obviously Burns and Pavelski even moreseo)

I don't love the idea of signing older guys in a decline. I just fail to see where we're getting a productive C from right now. Gagner wouldn't be a bad option but boy are the pickin's slim.

Post-season numbers.

I wonder if there's a trade in the works. I recall (maybe incorrectly) that the Brass/Zibanejad trade was apparently agreed upon around the draft but wasn't completed until mid July.

Given Lundqvist's age, they need to pick a direction - go for it, or rebuild. Half-assing either direction isn't the route to take right now, where 3-4 years ago I thought it made sense to think longer-term.

In comment 13513919 BrettNYG10 said:

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Post-season numbers.

You go ahead and build your team based on that and I'll build my team based on other factors.

I'll take Skjei, you take Smith we'll see who wins more.

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In comment 13513919 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: Post-season numbers. You go ahead and build your team based on that and I'll build my team based on other factors. I'll take Skjei, you take Smith we'll see who wins more.

I think those numbers illustrate why Skjei/Smith make such a good pairing.

In comment 13513925 BrettNYG10 said:

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I wonder if there's a trade in the works. I recall (maybe incorrectly) that the Brass/Zibanejad trade was apparently agreed upon around the draft but wasn't completed until mid July. Given Lundqvist's age, they need to pick a direction - go for it, or rebuild. Half-assing either direction isn't the route to take right now, where 3-4 years ago I thought it made sense to think longer-term.

Certainly a possibility. I agree that they shouldn't spin their wheels somewhere in the middle.

I still feel like NYR really aren't that far from being a contender but how we address the C position is going to have a major impact on whether we get closer or further away.

I'd prefer to get a younger player - but I also think NYR with the 2015-16 version of Thornton could win. Super risky because Joe will probably fall somewhere between this past season and 2 seasons ago - but there's also the possibility that he's even worse than this past season which would be crappy.

Really hope we can find a way to unload Staal. I don't trust AV to deploy him correctly if we don't.

I still want Kovalchuk - I doubt it's realistic, though.

It makes more sense to me to really try and go for it and win now because we're much closer to that than a team that needs to tear it all down and rebuild, IMO.

Go in now, deal with being awful in a few years and hope we land a generational talent in the draft to re-spark the franchise down the road.

Or we can just sign Tavares as long as he's cool with playing 2nd fiddle to the real JT.

I'd go hard after Radulov.

If you get Radulov then Kovy gets more realistic too - even if it's still a pipe dream.

I want Radulov back on the Canadiens, but I'd rather they roll with Drouin and Galchenyuk than give up the significant $$$ on Radulov and lose Galchenyuk.

I don't see them signing both.

and then the Canadiens can make a play for Duchene who may not be special, but he's a legit C on the dots and a 55 - 65 pt scorer on a normal team.

Makes zero sense for the rangers at the AAV x term being talked about.

Radulov + Kovy would basically use all available space, flies in the face of getting younger, and would preclude any additional spending on the defense, which I still think is needed.

I have a feeling Radulov is going to get like 7-7.5 per given how shitty this FA crop is. A lot of coin for a player of his caliber.

I'd certainly take him - just going to be a bit costly, methinks.

right now to be a contender or not. They have a lot of guys who they must now ask to take on greater roles, as DG and Step are gone, Staal takes a diminishing role, and Nash turns another year older. I dont think it's crazy to sign one of the Sharks or Shatty, but I dont know that the playoff lineup needs to be in place for game one. Maybe we see if a critical mass of guys from Mika, Kreider, Hayes, Miller, Buch, Vesey, Skjei and others take a step forward, then decide.

Smith is a second pair Dman. Not third.

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Makes zero sense for the rangers at the AAV x term being talked about. Radulov + Kovy would basically use all available space, flies in the face of getting younger, and would preclude any additional spending on the defense, which I still think is needed.

then why trade Stepan and buy out Girardi? to add a bunch of small questionable pieces?

I would hope they traded their first line center to use that space to sign a big fish or extend people on the team who need to be extended.

Radulov is a finisher with grit and edge. He's exactly what the Rangers need IMO. Team is way too finesse.

The Rangers don't have a ton of holes, they are a contender today, but you need a goalie to win, and after Hank who is it? A guy like Radulov on a 4 year deal that coincides with Hank is a perfect fit IMO.

If you don't go all in now when do you do it? Clock is ticking. Losing Nash next year (probably) - he'll be a FA at least, Hank getting older, McDonagh and Zuccarello UFA's year after that.

4 years sounds like fewer than Radulov is going to get. At 4 years, maybe I'm a little more open to the idea.

Frankly, my view of the cap space is to significantly invest in the defense. Turn the weakness into a strength.

That won't take all of the space. As for the forward group, I still think there's a trade to be made. I could see them trading a Miller or Hayes + for a 1st/2nd line C that is either overpaid on a contract with remaining term or close to UFA and extendable right now.

If no trades, can't tie up a lot of the $ for too long. Will need it very soon for Miller, Hayes, McDonagh, Zucc (or their respective replacements)

I just think that adding guys who are already 30+ for 5-6 year deals is counter-productive.

Seems like no matter how you slice it, NYR short-term contention is most dependent on forwards that are already there taking steps forward.

doesn't fill the hole at center though

In comment 13514031 bigbluehoya said:

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4 years sounds like fewer than Radulov is going to get. At 4 years, maybe I'm a little more open to the idea. Frankly, my view of the cap space is to significantly invest in the defense. Turn the weakness into a strength. That won't take all of the space. As for the forward group, I still think there's a trade to be made. I could see them trading a Miller or Hayes + for a 1st/2nd line C that is either overpaid on a contract with remaining term or close to UFA and extendable right now. If no trades, can't tie up a lot of the $ for too long. Will need it very soon for Miller, Hayes, McDonagh, Zucc (or their respective replacements) I just think that adding guys who are already 30+ for 5-6 year deals is counter-productive. Seems like no matter how you slice it, NYR short-term contention is most dependent on forwards that are already there taking steps forward.

You know my thoughts on Hayes, I'd trade him in a second, I think of JT Miller like I think of Kreider - should be a star, and if he's not a star it's his coaches fault.

but if you trade Hayes who takes his spot? Is that guy on the roster? If not you're creating another hole.

My thoughts on Radulov were Mika and Hayes are the 1C and 2C (in whatever order) and if Radulov is on the RW you can have a different level of center - you don't need a Crosby with Radulov. He's one of those lefties who prefers RW and he's sound defensively.

he's a very heady player, very physical and gets or sets up the greasy goals, but also has the skills to wow you.

It's really a shame most of his prime was spent in the KHL.

Adding a 3C is a hell of a lot easier if you already have a 1C and 2C.

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I'd go hard after Radulov. If you get Radulov then Kovy gets more realistic too - even if it's still a pipe dream. I want Radulov back on the Canadiens, but I'd rather they roll with Drouin and Galchenyuk than give up the significant $$$ on Radulov and lose Galchenyuk. I don't see them signing both. and then the Canadiens can make a play for Duchene who may not be special, but he's a legit C on the dots and a 55 - 65 pt scorer on a normal team.

I'm not a Duchene fan. I think he was something like -35 last year. Practically didn't score in second half.

In comment 13514343 5BowlsSoon said:

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In comment 13513946 pjcas18 said: Quote: I'd go hard after Radulov. If you get Radulov then Kovy gets more realistic too - even if it's still a pipe dream. I want Radulov back on the Canadiens, but I'd rather they roll with Drouin and Galchenyuk than give up the significant $$$ on Radulov and lose Galchenyuk. I don't see them signing both. and then the Canadiens can make a play for Duchene who may not be special, but he's a legit C on the dots and a 55 - 65 pt scorer on a normal team. I'm not a Duchene fan. I think he was something like -35 last year. Practically didn't score in second half.

I don't put much stock in numbers, especially +/-, when your team is that far out of the playoff race that soon and you're the rumor of trade talk the whole second half. I don't have much question about Duchene's abilities.

He's not an elite 1C, but he's at worst a 2C and I'd take him on my team any day. I'd even consider him just for his faceoff prowess alone.

Sometimes people don't realize how crucial having a dominant face off center is, for those late game offensive/defensive zone drops.

Duchene I believe was #1 in the NHL on the dots last year.

Smoke? Pressure?

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Gabrielle T-F‏Verified account @gabrielletf 16m16 minutes ago SKA St Petersburg president says the club in talks today with Ilya Kovalchuk about possible contract extension:

RIP cement head.

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Jim Matheson‏ @NHLbyMatty 14m14 minutes ago Dave Semenko who always joked he looking out for No.1 Wayne Gretzky, has passed away after a battle with cancer

In comment 13514346 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13514343 5BowlsSoon said: Quote: In comment 13513946 pjcas18 said: Quote: I'd go hard after Radulov. If you get Radulov then Kovy gets more realistic too - even if it's still a pipe dream. I want Radulov back on the Canadiens, but I'd rather they roll with Drouin and Galchenyuk than give up the significant $$$ on Radulov and lose Galchenyuk. I don't see them signing both. and then the Canadiens can make a play for Duchene who may not be special, but he's a legit C on the dots and a 55 - 65 pt scorer on a normal team. I'm not a Duchene fan. I think he was something like -35 last year. Practically didn't score in second half. I don't put much stock in numbers, especially +/-, when your team is that far out of the playoff race that soon and you're the rumor of trade talk the whole second half. I don't have much question about Duchene's abilities. He's not an elite 1C, but he's at worst a 2C and I'd take him on my team any day. I'd even consider him just for his faceoff prowess alone. Sometimes people don't realize how crucial having a dominant face off center is, for those late game offensive/defensive zone drops. Duchene I believe was #1 in the NHL on the dots last year.

I agree about Duchene. As as the Islanders go, he would fit perfectly as the #2 center. Duchene would not need to worry about carrying the team.

However, Sakic is looking to get a package for Duchess as if he is a #1 center.

I didn't blame him at last year's trade deadline. But, this insistence is going to backfire. The longer he waits, the less he will get, imo. Duchene alone will not return assets that will restart a franchise.

I still hope the Isles get Duchene. But the rumored deals are as far as I would go. In other words, Sakic can't have Barzal, Beauvillier, or Ho-Sang.

as mentioned above, but if true I bet the Olympics played a big part in this.

NHL brass continually tries their best to F-up a great thing. Initially I thought no olympics made some sense, but the more I thought about it, that's strictly an ownership/league view. And the NHLPA should have some say and worst case the league should have used it as a bargaining chip.

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Chris Johnston‏Verified account @reporterchris The Ilya Kovalchuk situation remains murky, but whispers have grown over the last 48 hours that he'll likely return to the KHL next season.

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Arthur Staple‏Verified account @StapeNewsday 10m10 minutes ago #Isles have reached out to pending UFA Justin Williams, according to his agent. Long list of suitors, would be an interesting fit.

Now that his game 7 streak was broken he'd be of no interest to me.

10 cent head.

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Elliotte Friedman‏Verified account @FriedgeHNIC 5m5 minutes ago Pouliot (EDM) on waivers today for a buyout

Tkachyov might be worth keeping an eye on for NYR. (The winger, not the C) - I think he was supposed to attend prospect camp but had Visa issues.

He's small, but there's a lot of talent there.

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RIP cement head. Quote: Jim Matheson‏ @NHLbyMatty 14m14 minutes ago Dave Semenko who always joked he looking out for No.1 Wayne Gretzky, has passed away after a battle with cancer

Yup, sad to see Cement Head pass on. When we had Gillies, few guys ever made me think that "Hey, Jethro needs to watch out for this guy". He was one. The Great Protector of The Great One. RIP.

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Quote: ColumbusBlueJackets‏Verified account @BlueJacketsNHL 3m3 minutes ago #CBJ buy out contract of left wing Scott Hartnell:

Before any of my fellow NYR fans toss it out there...

No.

Fuck this guy.

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NMC and $4.75M cap hit the next two years. Plus he's a douche.

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In comment 13515027 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: . NMC and $4.75M cap hit the next two years. Plus he's a douche.

I wasn't aware of the NMC. He's a solid second/third liner, if CBJ ate some of that I would have thought there'd be takers.

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In comment 13515048 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 13515027 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: . NMC and $4.75M cap hit the next two years. Plus he's a douche. I wasn't aware of the NMC. He's a solid second/third liner, if CBJ ate some of that I would have thought there'd be takers.

Someone will sign him. and I agree, he's solid 3rd liner grit/sand paper guy with some skill still.

I think it is, in that it's definite now where it was "almost certain" before.

Saves NYR a little extra cap space, I believe. 2-3M, IIRC.

But that he might play in Switzerland.