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Sounds like another big Arizona trade is in works. Raanta and Stepan likely to Coyotes. 7th overall could be part of it and DeAngelo.
With all the moves the other teams in the division are making, it sounds like we're lagging behind them. We need to keep up if we want to make the playoffs.
Agreed. We now have no #1C (and no fourth line C) and no backup Goalie.
On the plus side, it frees up some salary. D'Angelo is earning less than a million. Either we'll meet Shattenkirk's demands sans hometown discount, or we'll trade for someone like Galchenyuk and extend him and Zibanejad.
RE: Just seems like they should have gotten more for Stepan
if in getting D'Angelo, we don't go after Shattenkirk (the latter is obviously a much better player) and that this is the start of a slow rebuild.
It's hard to tear the entire thing down because we have a lot of guys in their prime, but given the lack of an elite center and an aging star goalie, Gorton might be thinking our window's closed.
DeAngelo is only 21. Have not really seen him play enough to know anything more than that. His suspensions probably lowered his value a bit. Good opportunistic trade.
I like trades with an eye to the future. The Yandel and especially the Staal trade--that's what they have to avoid.
"He's a special young player. You don't get drafted where he got drafted (first round, 2014) as a 5-9, 5-10 defenseman without elite abilities. He certainly has those,'' Keefe said before Monday's game. "He's as competitive a player as I've ever coached. He's got a lot of passion. He's going to be a good player for a long time.''
But along the way, there's been an increasing number of speed bumps.
DeAngelo has four goals, 21 assists and is a minus-7 in 42 games for Syracuse this season. He's missed three games under the hockey euphemism of "coach's decision'' from Syracuse head coach Rob Zettler. For a prospect of DeAngelo's talent coming off well-chronicled maturity issues in juniors, that's an alarming pattern."
#7 and Miller probably keeps them on the phone for another 10-15 seconds OL but probably still isn't enough.
Not gonna happen.
I don't love the return on this deal at first blush, but steering clear of another NMC and clearing $7m in addition to a top 10 pick isn't awful.
Strikes me as a deal you don't make unless there is another shoe to drop...even with a Zibanejad re-sign and the worst imaginable deal for Shattenkirk, there would probably be around $10m in space.
(Disclaimer: I'm not advocating a Shattenkirk blank check by any means, in just expecting it at this point)
but he's not a #1 C and I think you had to move on from him. But man is there ever a lot riding on that pick now. Even though Stepan isn't a top flight C, it's not a sure thing to get as good a player in the draft at #7.
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Rangers are swimming in cap space after the Stepan trade. Roughly $20 million after today's trade and could be about $23M if Klein moves on.
What happens from here before we make any judgements, but Stepan is no #1 center, we didn't have a #1 center on our team and we still don't, that is what we need besides defense. The #4 center position can be filled pretty easily, so that is not a worry, and Zibanejad and Hayes are good #2 and #3 centers. So work needs to be done.
"Sarnia Sting defenceman, Anthony DeAngelo, hasnt played in two weeks. The last time he saw the ice was during a game against the Guelph Storm on Jan. 31. Up until now, the word had been the talented blueliner had been serving a team suspension issued by head coach Trevor Letowski.
Its not the first time a player has been disciplined by a coach and it wont be the last. The situation, though, has been cloudy with Letowski dancing around why exactly hes decided to sit the highly touted NHL draft prospect.
Those clouds parted on Friday, when the Ontario Hockey League announced they had suspended the native of Sewell, N.J., eight games for violating the leagues harrassment, abuse and diversity policy. It's the second time this season the 18-year-old has been suspended for contravening the rule which attempts to keep homophobic, racist, sexist, and the other derogatory language used by small minds out of the game.
The minimum suspension for this infraction is five games. Recently, Windsors Steven Janes was suspended five games under the same policy. In Janes case it was something offensive said to an opponent during a game.
In DeAngelos case, what he said was directed at a teammate. The team is tightlipped about what was said and to whom, but it was bad enough for Letowski to take action without waiting for the league to intervene.
Internally as an organization we made the decision, said Letowski, a former NHLer and graduate of the Sting. It was obviously a serious matter. Any time it involves one of our players there has to be a certain respect level. We respect all of our players and it was pretty serious.
We handled it internally for the first day and then we felt it was important that the league became involved we completely support the leagues decision.
is a solid return for Stepan alone. I'd hoped to get another piece if Raanta was in the trade too but it is what it is. The cap space acquired is also a major asset so we'll see what they do with that. Can't fully judge the scope of this move until after free agency.
is a solid return for Stepan alone. I'd hoped to get another piece if Raanta was in the trade too but it is what it is. The cap space acquired is also a major asset so we'll see what they do with that. Can't fully judge the scope of this move until after free agency.
All aboard the Joe Thornton train!
It might be, but a team like the Rangers needed an NHL player with upside. And maybe they'll parlay this pick into that.
Stepan's 46th in 5v5 P/60 the past three years (for forwards with 500 minutes played). I don't get the criticisms he isn't a first line center. There's nothing to support that. He just isn't top ten. And his contract was fine.
Reports on Deangelo (on the ice at least) seem pretty positive. Coyotes have a ton of good prospects that I think got us dreaming a bit. But he could slot right in on the 3rd pair right side
The 7th pick is going to get a very solid prospect. And you can parlay the 2nd 1 either for a player or trade it up again either with 7 or alone with another pick.
Stepan has been a good player but I suspect he's not a guy who is going to sustain any high level as he gets older. His speed issues and shot quality are legitimate negatives for him. Rangers got a lot from him. Raanta is house money. He was going to leave eventually as Lundqvist isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
Not great player. Disappeared in many playoff series. Definitely not a number one center so I guess it wasn't his fault that he was played as one. Tired of his no shows in playoff games. Glad he's gone. Good guy, just not good enough.
He'd be a tremendous add for you guys. Played for the Portland Winterhawks of the WHL. Some see him as a dark horse to be the best player out of this draft. Has good size, good speed, good shot. Plays C.
Before Devils won the lottery, Glass is whom I wanted.
faster and quicker. Stepan certainly can't help there. Speed kills especially in the playoffs and he was such a non factor. The 2 teams in the finals were probably the 2 fastest teams in the league. They now have a ton of cap space so lets see what they do w/it.
is a solid return for Stepan alone. I'd hoped to get another piece if Raanta was in the trade too but it is what it is. The cap space acquired is also a major asset so we'll see what they do with that. Can't fully judge the scope of this move until after free agency.
All aboard the Joe Thornton train!
It might be, but a team like the Rangers needed an NHL player with upside. And maybe they'll parlay this pick into that.
Stepan's 46th in 5v5 P/60 the past three years (for forwards with 500 minutes played). I don't get the criticisms he isn't a first line center. There's nothing to support that. He just isn't top ten. And his contract was fine.
This whole first line center thing gets thrown around constantly with Stepan but all numbers in fact suggest that he was a middle of the pack 1st line center. That's pretty good. And it's what I mean when I say we will absolutely miss him. His game isn't flashy and he's not the most skilled so I think that deceived people. But the production was really consistent. He was an excellent Ranger.
I figure they're shopping that 21st pick like crazy right now. I'd send the 7th pick out too if the deal was right, especially in this draft.
You can get a good player here at 7 guys. I'm telling you. I've been tracking the prospect pool all year once the Devils season went into the toilet early.
faster and quicker. Stepan certainly can't help there. Speed kills especially in the playoffs and he was such a non factor. The 2 teams in the finals were probably the 2 fastest teams in the league. They now have a ton of cap space so lets see what they do w/it.
Rangers absolutely were one of the fastest teams in the league, even with Stepan. And his playoff struggle this year was way overblown. Far bigger culprits than him in our defeats.
This deal was about a chance to shed cap space, add flexibility, and hopefully add some young assets. Less so an indictment on Stepan as a player
I literally have no idea what the fuck this front office is doing this offseason. Want to rebuild - fine. I did and still do think that group last year was incapable of winning a Cup - and you need to overhaul the locker room after pissing away 3 playoff games... so fine... but i dont understand the execution to date at all.
Lose Lindberg for nothing and get pennies on the dollar for Stepan/Raanta?
Playoffs looking like a long shot absent some significant free agent spending next two weeks.
RE: if this makes a Galchenyuk or MacKinnon deal happen, that's good
I get the frustration from that perspective. But if the deal seems light to us, it probably did to the Rangers too a week ago. They likely held out hoping for more, losing Lindberg in the process. But with today being draft day, had to go with it.
Hadn't thought of it from that perspective, but that is too bad.
As far as playoffs, let's see what else is coming first.
increasingly skating league. Step's a plus defender, that's it. Can't skate, no shot, piss poor on faceoffs, no factor in ramped-up playoffs, zero toughness, liability on power play. No way is he a #1 C. Great time to move on from him.
Gorton must have done homework on DeAngelo whose maturity troubles are bothersome. Will AV even play him? Sounds an awful lot like a Clendenning situation. Not a warm and fuzzy acquisition but the skill and upside are there. Still can't see AV giving him a sniff though.
Is a Staal move coming? Fingers crossed.
Gort trying to right all of Sather's wrongs. Good luck.
Because any jackwagon can update a Wiki page. The internet sucks sometimes. That said, seeing a lot of comments about MacKinnon here. Since my team has been sniffing around Colorado's dress a lot over the past 3-4 months, I've never once heard MacKinnon is available. Everyone else, yes, but he's always been billed as the untouchable core. Not sure you have the jam right now (nor would many) to change that for the Avs.
MacKinnon as a possibility. But, I also think the Rangers will trade the 21st pick tonight for something. I wish I looked into the draft more now, been a while since the Rangers had a top 10 pick. Anyone know who in the top 10 in the most NHL ready not named Nolan Patrick?
MacKinnon as a possibility. But, I also think the Rangers will trade the 21st pick tonight for something. I wish I looked into the draft more now, been a while since the Rangers had a top 10 pick. Anyone know who in the top 10 in the most NHL ready not named Nolan Patrick?
Give me a few hours. Haha
But I like the sound of Elias Pettersson. He seems very promising. Someone above mentioned Cody Glass. Last name aside, he also seems promising.
Can he play? That's all I care about. I'm sure a shitload of players have political opinions I find horrific. Don't care.
Yeah, I dont care. I think a lot of white baseball players lean hard right. Guys I root for. So what. Unless they want to wear a MAGA hat on the mounds, it's not impacting the game.
Cmon, the dude was like 15 when he tweeted some of that shit. I said dumb things when I was 15 too. If you say you didn't, you're full of it.
Shit, I still say dumb things and I'm 27
But for real, he needs to cut down on the Conservative propaganda on Twitter. He's going to get a lot of shit for it and it does seem like he lets his emotions get the best of him both on and off the ice (homophobic slurs not withstanding). He needs to learn to be composed and if that happens, the sky's the limit.
Cmon, the dude was like 15 when he tweeted some of that shit. I said dumb things when I was 15 too. If you say you didn't, you're full of it.
Shit, I still say dumb things and I'm 27
But for real, he needs to cut down on the Conservative propaganda on Twitter. He's going to get a lot of shit for it and it does seem like he lets his emotions get the best of him both on and off the ice (homophobic slurs not withstanding). He needs to learn to be composed and if that happens, the sky's the limit.
Listen to Anak over here. Composure? Didn't you just stalk Accorsi for like 20 blocks the other day? You're awesome. Don't ever change.
Cmon, the dude was like 15 when he tweeted some of that shit. I said dumb things when I was 15 too. If you say you didn't, you're full of it.
Shit, I still say dumb things and I'm 27
But for real, he needs to cut down on the Conservative propaganda on Twitter. He's going to get a lot of shit for it and it does seem like he lets his emotions get the best of him both on and off the ice (homophobic slurs not withstanding). He needs to learn to be composed and if that happens, the sky's the limit.
Listen to Anak over here. Composure? Didn't you just stalk Accorsi for like 20 blocks the other day? You're awesome. Don't ever change.
I didn't yell homophobic slurs at him! I didn't assault a referee!
You fuckin guys are unreal. he will probably be the third pairing defenseman with Staal, if he is an offensive player and good skater he will help Staal also. The team needs to get Shatinkirk, and keep Smith, then add a true top line center, if they can get it with the draft pick, great. Then the team has improved. Hayes and Zibanejad are fine as second and third line centers.
but I have faith that Benoit Allaire can develop a new backup for Henrik, and I like getting out of Stepan's contract. He's a good player but I think he's peaked. Hopefully DeAngelo can get his head out of his ass and the Rangers can make a good selection with the pick.
Was 34th amongst centers in scoring, that is not good by any stretch, he is not and never was a top line center, only in the minds of some Ranger fans. Her is a very good second line center. We need a true top line center, even Eric Staal outscored Stepan last season, and by 10 points. This is when Stepan is supposed to be in his prime, and he has been steadily getting worse.
NHL.com has him as 32nd in points and a handful of those guys ahead
(Now 31) centers in the league. Arguing he isn't top ten or even twenty centers in the league is a legitimate argument. I get trading him. But there is zero factual basis for saying he isn't a first line center.
like that one from Friedman above. But I'll believe he's not going to be a Ranger when it actually happens. Just makes too much sense from both sides for it not to happen.
(Now 31) centers in the league. Arguing he isn't top ten or even twenty centers in the league is a legitimate argument. I get trading him. But there is zero factual basis for saying he isn't a first line center.
This is the age old MLB debate. Are there 32 #1 pitchers, or way fewer with a bunch teams not having a #1 (and some having multiples). Is DeGrom not a #1 pitcher b/c Syndergaard started opening day?
Is it worthwhile to talk about #1 centers as a thing is Stepan is a #1 and Malkin isnt?
Brett, think about that also. There are players scoring as much and playing less minutes because they have better players ahead of them also, he is not a true top line center, he has been playing the role and steadily getting worse. He was on our team the top center, I understand that, but he was horrible, and by your reasoning, the worst top line center, we need to improve that. We cleared space, added a third defense pairing player, and a 7th pick, tonight that could be our center, or we may move up, his salary savings gives us a shot at adding Shatinkirk and keeping Smith. That would fix this defense. We add that top line center and this team has improved by a good margin.
Yeah, I think there are multiple teams with #1 centers and some with
I don't think #1 center means one of the top 31 in the league. I mean literally that is true. But a number one center is like an "Ace" in baseball.
Pedro and Clemens were Aces. Madison Bumgarner is an Ace. Tommy Glavine wasn't, even though he has great career numbers. Andy Pettitte was not an Ace. Harvey was an Ace before the injuries. Degrom isn't.
Same thing with centers in hockey. Some guys are good but just not #1 centers. It's not something you can quantify. It is watching a guy play--you just know.
RE: Of course MAB thinks they won't make the playoffs
Actually, i thought we'd compete for a wild card this past season. It wasnt an uncommon view around here. And I loved the Zibanejad and Vesey signings. Like most.
And we did, in fact, end up a Wild Card. (did put up 6 more points than i thought we would...)
We'll see what happens next few weeks, but holy fuck we took a large step back the last 4 days. So far feels a lot like what Boston did a few years ago.
Played with the best wingers on our team, and played more minutes, he did a poor job last season and has not improved at all, in fact he has regressed, the rangers made a very smart move to unload him.
Vanzetti, I think that's a bit of a different discussion and I'm fine saying Stepan isn't one of those guys. But there are only 10-15 of those in the league, IMO.
What's so great? Only 1 year of control, already makes $5m, has cracked 40 points twice in the last 5 years, and averages over a penalty minute per game for his career.
Why should I give a first round pick, let alone add anything??
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Gorton said he thinks Zibanejad, Hayes are top 6 guys so doesn't mean NYR must get a 1C or 2C to replace Stepan.Doesn't mean they won't tho.
Are far from a finished product. But they gave themselves some much needed cap space and flexibility now. They could move up in the draft with the two number 1's, or parlay one or both in a trade, but they need to parlay this into a top line center. That to me is just as important as improving the defense. The kid they added seems to me to be a player that could be their 3rd pairing right handed defenseman to pair with Staal.
His speed and offensive skills should work well with Staal, he needs it. I would love to sign Smith, him and Skjei make a good 2nd pairing defensemen, and then that leaves the free agent signing of Shattenkirk, they get that done and we have a nice set of defensemen.
If they can turn the #7 and #21 pick into a top line center, then I think this team has improved markedly.
Would Gorton say, he isn't going to tip his hand. But I do like Zibby and Hayes. I see Zibby more as a second line center, although he could develop into a top line center, he is still young and is fast and big. Hayes is more a third line center, but if they are your second and third line centers, then they are good ones for sure. With youngsters like Buchnevich and Vesey to go along with Nash, Zuccarello, Miller, and Kreider we need that center badly in my opinion. Fast and Grabner would round out the wingers, and there is still Puempel, who appears to have some upside. Jensen may get a shot at the 4th line center. But the Rangers now have some flexibility.
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Gorton said he thinks Zibanejad, Hayes are top 6 guys so doesn't mean NYR must get a 1C or 2C to replace Stepan.Doesn't mean they won't tho.
Did we get a new Hayes or is he referring to Kevin Hayes?
As the #2C, Hayes gets to play with the 2nd line wingers.
I'm FAR from Hayes' biggest fan on this board, but I don't think calling him a 2C is a huge stretch.
Zib + Hayes as a 1-2 is admittedly a little bit weak, but both players should have their best hockey ahead of them. To me, not an unacceptable option for a team that's admittedly trying to reload, get younger, and atone for some past sins while remaining playoff viable.
What's so great? Only 1 year of control, already makes $5m, has cracked 40 points twice in the last 5 years, and averages over a penalty minute per game for his career.
Why should I give a first round pick, let alone add anything??
Staal isnt an add, he's an albatross. It could take a #21 overall just to be rid of his deal.
Are the Rangers serious contenders for Thornton with Stepan gone?
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Tons of action this morning. Hearing Vegas continues to push to move into the top 3 and the NYR may also trade up. Lots of moving parts.
As the #2C, Hayes gets to play with the 2nd line wingers.
I'm FAR from Hayes' biggest fan on this board, but I don't think calling him a 2C is a huge stretch.
Zib + Hayes as a 1-2 is admittedly a little bit weak, but both players should have their best hockey ahead of them. To me, not an unacceptable option for a team that's admittedly trying to reload, get younger, and atone for some past sins while remaining playoff viable.
I'm just trying to figure out what the endgame here is? Re-tooling is one thing, but the problem runs deeper than gaining cap space and trading one player for a comparable one.
We're a team built from the net out with an elite forward and our best player is aging and likely has his best hockey behind him. I just wonder how this team becomes a cup contender.
I'm esp disappointed by DeAngelo. Was suspended 7 games for a second violation of "diversity rule" (he used a slur against a teammate - was immediately sat down by his own coach and then two weeks later suspended by the league...
Was subsequently drafted in 1st round by Tampa - who fairly quickly traded him to Phoenix for a SECOND round pick... he finally made it to the NHL in Nov of this past season and was suspended TWICE by the NHL for losing his cool with officials... and after his first NHL year, Phoenix is sends him onto the Rangers. I dunno. Sounds like a locker room headcase type of guy that teams have repeatedly regretted signing and and looked to move.
What's so great? Only 1 year of control, already makes $5m, has cracked 40 points twice in the last 5 years, and averages over a penalty minute per game for his career.
Why should I give a first round pick, let alone add anything??
Staal isnt an add, he's an albatross. It could take a #21 overall just to be rid of his deal.
Fair enough. That's a deal I do. I was going back and forth between here and HFBoards, so in my head I guess I was refuting a bunch of other stupid Kane-based ideas that I read over there. My bad.
Maybe the Stars trade #3 and one of their goalies for #7?
As the #2C, Hayes gets to play with the 2nd line wingers.
I'm FAR from Hayes' biggest fan on this board, but I don't think calling him a 2C is a huge stretch.
Zib + Hayes as a 1-2 is admittedly a little bit weak, but both players should have their best hockey ahead of them. To me, not an unacceptable option for a team that's admittedly trying to reload, get younger, and atone for some past sins while remaining playoff viable.
I'm just trying to figure out what the endgame here is? Re-tooling is one thing, but the problem runs deeper than gaining cap space and trading one player for a comparable one.
We're a team built from the net out with an elite forward and our best player is aging and likely has his best hockey behind him. I just wonder how this team becomes a cup contender.
I don't think anyone including Gorts could tell you what the end game is right now. I agree 100% with Deej that today was about avoiding another NMC, creating cap space, and getting younger.
On the whole, there's an issue up the middle. There's also almost 1/3 of the cap unspoken for.
If this team were to get realistic steps forward from Buch and Vesey of the magnitude that Miller and Hayes stepped up this year, you're looking at a young forward group that could be a real handful.
That's before adding anything else.
I think Gorts is on the right track. He could absolutely fuck it up, but I don't see any more reason for alarm today than I saw a year ago or 2 years ago.
...if we were looking to move Stepan why the FUCK didn't we protect Lindberg. We just went from being a strong checking/defensive/intangibles(barring our faceoff woes) team up the middle to thin and generally crappy in all regards at the pivotal(pivot) Center position.
This FO is reactive not pro-active, it pre-dates Gorton's ascension as GM but my hopes were he would bring better long term vision and planning to the personnel side of the franchise. It's proving to be the opposite and that's a major blow to our Cup aspirations imo.
So, if my reading the tea leaves is any indication, many NHL teams refused to touch DeAngelo in the first round despite his first round talent because of very big character issues. Tampa took a chance with the 19th pick in the first found - but that was very short lived and Tampa dumped him to Phoenix for a 2nd rounder.
The reddit thread indicates (no proof obviously) that he had similar problems growing up in NJ as did his family overall. Multiple comments that Tampa took a shot but needed to move on because the kid was a racist (I actually had the sense his prior suspensions were for homophobic comments, not racist, but I guess I was wrong).
What is most troubling to me about this is that it speaks volumes about the total package the Rangers received for Stepan and Raanta. A 7th rounder is the primary compensation. It isn't clear DeAngelo adds to the draft pick or is an overall negative moving forward. Would love to see myself rooting for this kid next year. But for now, I am very surprised at the "value" Raanta + Stepan brought (or didn't). Reddit thread when Tampa traded him to Phoenix for 2nd rounder - ( New Window )
...if we were looking to move Stepan why the FUCK didn't we protect Lindberg. We just went from being a strong checking/defensive/intangibles(barring our faceoff woes) team up the middle to thin and generally crappy in all regards at the pivotal(pivot) Center position.
This FO is reactive not pro-active, it pre-dates Gorton's ascension as GM but my hopes were he would bring better long term vision and planning to the personnel side of the franchise. It's proving to be the opposite and that's a major blow to our Cup aspirations imo.
My guess is that if Lindberg were not exposed, LV would have taken Raanta, and perhaps this trade doesn't happen today.
...if we were looking to move Stepan why the FUCK didn't we protect Lindberg. We just went from being a strong checking/defensive/intangibles(barring our faceoff woes) team up the middle to thin and generally crappy in all regards at the pivotal(pivot) Center position.
This FO is reactive not pro-active, it pre-dates Gorton's ascension as GM but my hopes were he would bring better long term vision and planning to the personnel side of the franchise. It's proving to be the opposite and that's a major blow to our Cup aspirations imo.
My guess is that if Lindberg were not exposed, LV would have taken Raanta, and perhaps this trade doesn't happen today.
Answer was easier. We could protect 7 forwards. Nash we had to protect by rule (NMC). The other six were Stepan, Kreider, Zucc, Mika, Miller, and Hayes. All six are more valuable than Lindberg.
why we didn't make this trade a week ago in order to then protect Lindberg in Stepan's spot. But I suspect hoya's reasoning is correct. Then we likely lose Raanta and can't make this deal without him.
The point is they're incompetent if they couldn't find a way to have their cake and eat it too. They've had a year to put contingency plans in place to avoid just this kind of idiocy, yet what are we left with. Zibanajed and Hayes as our 1-2 C combo with no 3rd and 4th line solutions in sight. That's atrocious. And don't spew Hayes 49 points against 3rd line competition in an attempt to swallow today's Ranger Kool Aid.
It was an awful job by the braintrust, such as it is.
but it is also hockey. This is a game where guys are bashing each other's head in. Stuff gets said in the heat of the moment that shouldn't be said. He is also an Italian guy from Jersey. Probably a bit of a youthful hothead. That's the way my people are. He'll learn. We are talking about stuff that happened when he was 18, 19 years old.
I'm not worried about his "character" in the least. In NY he will be back with his family and support network. And now that I have had a chance to watch him some on video, the kid can flat out play.
but it is also hockey. This is a game where guys are bashing each other's head in. Stuff gets said in the heat of the moment that shouldn't be said. He is also an Italian guy from Jersey. Probably a bit of a youthful hothead. That's the way my people are. He'll learn. We are talking about stuff that happened when he was 18, 19 years old.
I'm not worried about his "character" in the least. In NY he will be back with his family and support network. And now that I have had a chance to watch him some on video, the kid can flat out play.
Great deal for Rangers
Yup. That's what Tampa thought too.
RE: RE: These type of slurs have no place anywhere in our society
but it is also hockey. This is a game where guys are bashing each other's head in. Stuff gets said in the heat of the moment that shouldn't be said. He is also an Italian guy from Jersey. Probably a bit of a youthful hothead. That's the way my people are. He'll learn. We are talking about stuff that happened when he was 18, 19 years old.
I'm not worried about his "character" in the least. In NY he will be back with his family and support network. And now that I have had a chance to watch him some on video, the kid can flat out play.
Great deal for Rangers
Yup. That's what Tampa thought too.
Steve Avery? Tie Domi? Donald Brashear?
Let's not pretend the Rangers were a bunch of choir boys.
RE: RE: RE: These type of slurs have no place anywhere in our society
but it is also hockey. This is a game where guys are bashing each other's head in. Stuff gets said in the heat of the moment that shouldn't be said. He is also an Italian guy from Jersey. Probably a bit of a youthful hothead. That's the way my people are. He'll learn. We are talking about stuff that happened when he was 18, 19 years old.
I'm not worried about his "character" in the least. In NY he will be back with his family and support network. And now that I have had a chance to watch him some on video, the kid can flat out play.
Great deal for Rangers
Yup. That's what Tampa thought too.
Steve Avery? Tie Domi? Donald Brashear?
Let's not pretend the Rangers were a bunch of choir boys.
Let's be clear. My primary concern is the value the Rangers received - and value means how many productive games does this kid end up playing for the Rangers and will he end up being more a plus or minus by the end of his rangers' career. Pretty clear to me that he is damaged goods that many teams don't think worthy of an investment. Tampa took a shot and decided he wasn't worth it. You seem to think that means nothing. But they spent a first rounder on him - knowing his history - assuming he would pan out for them. Then they quickly dumped him for a second rounder. There had to be a pretty damn good reason for that. Now Phoenix is moving away from him. Yea, if you ask me, it sound like a really promising situation for the Rangers...
If he is a problem you release hi he is costing nothing, they cleared cap space, have added the 7th pick in the draft, got rid of a HORRIBLE contract in Stepan, and they will upgrade the center position, wait, its not over yet, the return is fine. What do you want for a slow, regressing, overpaid 28 year old.
(used advisedly) and aftermath of the news that Stepan's NMC kicks in next month, so it's more than the $$ cap space used.
A lot of criticism for the picks, Andersson in particular, and I know nada, but the link Kyle (think it was) posted showing some of his scoring plays was fun and impressive; guess one has to take into account the level of competition.
With all the moves the other teams in the division are making, it sounds like we're lagging behind them. We need to keep up if we want to make the playoffs.
I don't know much about D'Angelo
That ARIZ 7th pick is going to NYR as part of a deal that includes DeAngelo. For Raanta/Stepan. May be more
7th pick is a nice bonus. Wonder if Rangers try and ship it back out or use it to move up.
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As first reported by guys in Chicago, Rangers dealing Stepan and Raanta to Coyotes for 7th overall and 21-yo righty D Anthony DeAngelo
Agreed. We now have no #1C (and no fourth line C) and no backup Goalie.
On the plus side, it frees up some salary. D'Angelo is earning less than a million. Either we'll meet Shattenkirk's demands sans hometown discount, or we'll trade for someone like Galchenyuk and extend him and Zibanejad.
It's hard to tear the entire thing down because we have a lot of guys in their prime, but given the lack of an elite center and an aging star goalie, Gorton might be thinking our window's closed.
Tough to see Stepan go. Really is the end of an era
Kevin Hayes in the top 6. Give me strength.
None of us are counting on you.
I like trades with an eye to the future. The Yandel and especially the Staal trade--that's what they have to avoid.
Kevin Hayes in the top 6. Give me strength.
I don't think this seems like a Sather-esque move at all.
Stepan was always overpaid.
Good player who didn't do anything great.
The purge continues... hopefully Nash is next
I think this is just the tip of the iceberg.
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Here's my guess. Either:
21st Overall packaged for Duchene/Galcnehyuk/MacKinnon
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21st Overall packaged for a Dman, sign Thornton.
I'll take the first option
Also, they needed to move a big contract to create working room, and he seemed to be the best chip they were willing to deal.
Now, whom are they targeting at #7?
Here's my guess. Either:
21st Overall packaged for Duchene/Galcnehyuk/MacKinnon
OR
21st Overall packaged for a Dman, sign Thornton.
I'll take the first option
I wonder how much we'd have to add to the 21st pick to get MacKinnon. Still think there's more left to the guy.
The 21st pick has got to be in play. A few of those names from that last tweet are interesting
Follow Gorton around for 20 blocks today, maybe you'll overhear some names to let us know who he's targeting.
Also, they needed to move a big contract to create working room, and he seemed to be the best chip they were willing to deal.
Now, whom are they targeting at #7?
All things being nearly equal, wouldn't mind the highest upside center.
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Here's my guess. Either:
21st Overall packaged for Duchene/Galcnehyuk/MacKinnon
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21st Overall packaged for a Dman, sign Thornton.
I'll take the first option
I wonder how much we'd have to add to the 21st pick to get MacKinnon. Still think there's more left to the guy.
I would be over the moon to get Duchene or Mackinnon. Give them Holden back!
But along the way, there's been an increasing number of speed bumps.
DeAngelo has four goals, 21 assists and is a minus-7 in 42 games for Syracuse this season. He's missed three games under the hockey euphemism of "coach's decision'' from Syracuse head coach Rob Zettler. For a prospect of DeAngelo's talent coming off well-chronicled maturity issues in juniors, that's an alarming pattern."
I don't know much about the NHL draft, but 7 is an awfully high pick for a backup goalie and an overpaid no. 2 center, no?
Not gonna happen.
I don't love the return on this deal at first blush, but steering clear of another NMC and clearing $7m in addition to a top 10 pick isn't awful.
Strikes me as a deal you don't make unless there is another shoe to drop...even with a Zibanejad re-sign and the worst imaginable deal for Shattenkirk, there would probably be around $10m in space.
(Disclaimer: I'm not advocating a Shattenkirk blank check by any means, in just expecting it at this point)
Rangers are swimming in cap space after the Stepan trade. Roughly $20 million after today's trade and could be about $23M if Klein moves on.
Nice player. Good teammate. But on the ice, he did not scare anyone. No opposing coach ever told his team, "We gotta stop Stepan."
With all the other young forwards we have, this is no big loss.
Its not the first time a player has been disciplined by a coach and it wont be the last. The situation, though, has been cloudy with Letowski dancing around why exactly hes decided to sit the highly touted NHL draft prospect.
Those clouds parted on Friday, when the Ontario Hockey League announced they had suspended the native of Sewell, N.J., eight games for violating the leagues harrassment, abuse and diversity policy. It's the second time this season the 18-year-old has been suspended for contravening the rule which attempts to keep homophobic, racist, sexist, and the other derogatory language used by small minds out of the game.
The minimum suspension for this infraction is five games. Recently, Windsors Steven Janes was suspended five games under the same policy. In Janes case it was something offensive said to an opponent during a game.
In DeAngelos case, what he said was directed at a teammate. The team is tightlipped about what was said and to whom, but it was bad enough for Letowski to take action without waiting for the league to intervene.
Internally as an organization we made the decision, said Letowski, a former NHLer and graduate of the Sting. It was obviously a serious matter. Any time it involves one of our players there has to be a certain respect level. We respect all of our players and it was pretty serious.
We handled it internally for the first day and then we felt it was important that the league became involved we completely support the leagues decision.
Supposedly Devils are front runners for Galchenyuk. Habs want a win now player in return.
All aboard the Joe Thornton train!
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Supposedly Devils are front runners for Galchenyuk. Habs want a win now player in return.
Who does NJD have that fits that mold?
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Stepan continues to be underrated by most Rangers fans. We will miss what he brings
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Maybe we flip the pick and something else for Galchenyuk.
Supposedly Devils are front runners for Galchenyuk. Habs want a win now player in return.
Who does NJD have that fits that mold?
Supposedly Henrique is out there in trade talks. Devils would have to add a prospect but sounds like the Habs want to move Galchenyuk out.
They have quite a few actually Greg. Don't be a clown on this thread. You pollute more than enough already on this board.
If they were so hellbent on this deal, it would have been nice to do it four days ago when they could have then protected Lindberg.
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Maybe we flip the pick and something else for Galchenyuk.
Supposedly Devils are front runners for Galchenyuk. Habs want a win now player in return.
Who does NJD have that fits that mold?
Supposedly Henrique is out there in trade talks. Devils would have to add a prospect but sounds like the Habs want to move Galchenyuk out.
Interesting - I didn't know they were considering moving Henrique.
Should we already pencil him in for the Rangers?
All aboard the Joe Thornton train!
It might be, but a team like the Rangers needed an NHL player with upside. And maybe they'll parlay this pick into that.
Stepan's 46th in 5v5 P/60 the past three years (for forwards with 500 minutes played). I don't get the criticisms he isn't a first line center. There's nothing to support that. He just isn't top ten. And his contract was fine.
Stepan has been a good player but I suspect he's not a guy who is going to sustain any high level as he gets older. His speed issues and shot quality are legitimate negatives for him. Rangers got a lot from him. Raanta is house money. He was going to leave eventually as Lundqvist isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
Should we already pencil him in for the Rangers?
He'd be a tremendous add for you guys. Played for the Portland Winterhawks of the WHL. Some see him as a dark horse to be the best player out of this draft. Has good size, good speed, good shot. Plays C.
Before Devils won the lottery, Glass is whom I wanted.
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On trading of Stepan, I think it's fair to say NYR were concerned where Stepan's game was trending and his four years left at $6.5M.
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NYR look at return as No. 7 overall pick (many good centres available there), talented if not temperamental D in in DeAngelo and CAP SPACE.
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is a solid return for Stepan alone. I'd hoped to get another piece if Raanta was in the trade too but it is what it is. The cap space acquired is also a major asset so we'll see what they do with that. Can't fully judge the scope of this move until after free agency.
All aboard the Joe Thornton train!
It might be, but a team like the Rangers needed an NHL player with upside. And maybe they'll parlay this pick into that.
Stepan's 46th in 5v5 P/60 the past three years (for forwards with 500 minutes played). I don't get the criticisms he isn't a first line center. There's nothing to support that. He just isn't top ten. And his contract was fine.
This whole first line center thing gets thrown around constantly with Stepan but all numbers in fact suggest that he was a middle of the pack 1st line center. That's pretty good. And it's what I mean when I say we will absolutely miss him. His game isn't flashy and he's not the most skilled so I think that deceived people. But the production was really consistent. He was an excellent Ranger.
I figure they're shopping that 21st pick like crazy right now. I'd send the 7th pick out too if the deal was right, especially in this draft.
He's going to be a hard player to replace.
Rangers absolutely were one of the fastest teams in the league, even with Stepan. And his playoff struggle this year was way overblown. Far bigger culprits than him in our defeats.
This deal was about a chance to shed cap space, add flexibility, and hopefully add some young assets. Less so an indictment on Stepan as a player
I literally have no idea what the fuck this front office is doing this offseason. Want to rebuild - fine. I did and still do think that group last year was incapable of winning a Cup - and you need to overhaul the locker room after pissing away 3 playoff games... so fine... but i dont understand the execution to date at all.
Lose Lindberg for nothing and get pennies on the dollar for Stepan/Raanta?
Playoffs looking like a long shot absent some significant free agent spending next two weeks.
What assets do we have to trade for these guys? I doubt the #7 overall pick in a weak draft cuts it.
Agreed.
Hadn't thought of it from that perspective, but that is too bad.
As far as playoffs, let's see what else is coming first.
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Agreed.
Aside from offer sheets never happening in the NHL, Drai would probably be $6M per year and losing 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks in 2018.
Eh, seems low hit % with the NHL draft anyway, pull the trigger.
Gorton must have done homework on DeAngelo whose maturity troubles are bothersome. Will AV even play him? Sounds an awful lot like a Clendenning situation. Not a warm and fuzzy acquisition but the skill and upside are there. Still can't see AV giving him a sniff though.
Is a Staal move coming? Fingers crossed.
Gort trying to right all of Sather's wrongs. Good luck.
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Actually, seems like 90% of what DeAngelo tweets about is Conservative propaganda...
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Actually, seems like 90% of what DeAngelo tweets about is Conservative propaganda...
That's super disappointing. Fuck that guy.
You can have whatever political beliefs you want, but don't be a racist fuckboy.
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Exactly, give the kid a break haha.
I actually think we have a #1 and a #2 in Mika and Hayes. We need a superstar #1, but failing that need to add a #3. The Lindberg loss is a killer.
Give me a few hours. Haha
But I like the sound of Elias Pettersson. He seems very promising. Someone above mentioned Cody Glass. Last name aside, he also seems promising.
Yeah, I dont care. I think a lot of white baseball players lean hard right. Guys I root for. So what. Unless they want to wear a MAGA hat on the mounds, it's not impacting the game.
He's still probably a shithead. Whatever; I hope he can play. Rooting for the jersey here.
Shit, I still say dumb things and I'm 27
But for real, he needs to cut down on the Conservative propaganda on Twitter. He's going to get a lot of shit for it and it does seem like he lets his emotions get the best of him both on and off the ice (homophobic slurs not withstanding). He needs to learn to be composed and if that happens, the sky's the limit.
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Cmon, the dude was like 15 when he tweeted some of that shit. I said dumb things when I was 15 too. If you say you didn't, you're full of it.
Shit, I still say dumb things and I'm 27
But for real, he needs to cut down on the Conservative propaganda on Twitter. He's going to get a lot of shit for it and it does seem like he lets his emotions get the best of him both on and off the ice (homophobic slurs not withstanding). He needs to learn to be composed and if that happens, the sky's the limit.
Listen to Anak over here. Composure? Didn't you just stalk Accorsi for like 20 blocks the other day? You're awesome. Don't ever change.
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Lot of talk about NYR using space for Shattenkirk. They liked Yandle a lot, but were wary of term there. Someone like BUF makes more sense
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Cmon, the dude was like 15 when he tweeted some of that shit. I said dumb things when I was 15 too. If you say you didn't, you're full of it.
Shit, I still say dumb things and I'm 27
But for real, he needs to cut down on the Conservative propaganda on Twitter. He's going to get a lot of shit for it and it does seem like he lets his emotions get the best of him both on and off the ice (homophobic slurs not withstanding). He needs to learn to be composed and if that happens, the sky's the limit.
Listen to Anak over here. Composure? Didn't you just stalk Accorsi for like 20 blocks the other day? You're awesome. Don't ever change.
I didn't yell homophobic slurs at him! I didn't assault a referee!
I have never said anything dumb ever.
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I think Mika is closer to Stepan than Stepan is to an elite 1C.
This is the age old MLB debate. Are there 32 #1 pitchers, or way fewer with a bunch teams not having a #1 (and some having multiples). Is DeGrom not a #1 pitcher b/c Syndergaard started opening day?
Is it worthwhile to talk about #1 centers as a thing is Stepan is a #1 and Malkin isnt?
Las Vegas has none right now, for example.
Stepan's a top 30 center in the league.
Do it Gorton.
Pedro and Clemens were Aces. Madison Bumgarner is an Ace. Tommy Glavine wasn't, even though he has great career numbers. Andy Pettitte was not an Ace. Harvey was an Ace before the injuries. Degrom isn't.
Same thing with centers in hockey. Some guys are good but just not #1 centers. It's not something you can quantify. It is watching a guy play--you just know.
Actually, i thought we'd compete for a wild card this past season. It wasnt an uncommon view around here. And I loved the Zibanejad and Vesey signings. Like most.
And we did, in fact, end up a Wild Card. (did put up 6 more points than i thought we would...)
We'll see what happens next few weeks, but holy fuck we took a large step back the last 4 days. So far feels a lot like what Boston did a few years ago.
Just my opinion, though.
Why should I give a first round pick, let alone add anything??
It's so obvious he's here to Radicalize the Italian Community.
Gorton said he thinks Zibanejad, Hayes are top 6 guys so doesn't mean NYR must get a 1C or 2C to replace Stepan.Doesn't mean they won't tho.
His speed and offensive skills should work well with Staal, he needs it. I would love to sign Smith, him and Skjei make a good 2nd pairing defensemen, and then that leaves the free agent signing of Shattenkirk, they get that done and we have a nice set of defensemen.
If they can turn the #7 and #21 pick into a top line center, then I think this team has improved markedly.
Gorton said he thinks Zibanejad, Hayes are top 6 guys so doesn't mean NYR must get a 1C or 2C to replace Stepan.Doesn't mean they won't tho.
Did we get a new Hayes or is he referring to Kevin Hayes?
Kevin Hayes as a 2nd line C is laughable
I'm FAR from Hayes' biggest fan on this board, but I don't think calling him a 2C is a huge stretch.
Zib + Hayes as a 1-2 is admittedly a little bit weak, but both players should have their best hockey ahead of them. To me, not an unacceptable option for a team that's admittedly trying to reload, get younger, and atone for some past sins while remaining playoff viable.
Need him to be better than that this year
I'm more worried/puzzled as to why Kreider isn't consistently a beast.
Why should I give a first round pick, let alone add anything??
Staal isnt an add, he's an albatross. It could take a #21 overall just to be rid of his deal.
I'd have preferred getting someone like Strome from ARZ over the 7th.
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Tons of action this morning. Hearing Vegas continues to push to move into the top 3 and the NYR may also trade up. Lots of moving parts.
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Tons of action this morning. Hearing Vegas continues to push to move into the top 3 and the NYR may also trade up. Lots of moving parts.
I'm FAR from Hayes' biggest fan on this board, but I don't think calling him a 2C is a huge stretch.
Zib + Hayes as a 1-2 is admittedly a little bit weak, but both players should have their best hockey ahead of them. To me, not an unacceptable option for a team that's admittedly trying to reload, get younger, and atone for some past sins while remaining playoff viable.
I'm just trying to figure out what the endgame here is? Re-tooling is one thing, but the problem runs deeper than gaining cap space and trading one player for a comparable one.
We're a team built from the net out with an elite forward and our best player is aging and likely has his best hockey behind him. I just wonder how this team becomes a cup contender.
I'm esp disappointed by DeAngelo. Was suspended 7 games for a second violation of "diversity rule" (he used a slur against a teammate - was immediately sat down by his own coach and then two weeks later suspended by the league...
Was subsequently drafted in 1st round by Tampa - who fairly quickly traded him to Phoenix for a SECOND round pick... he finally made it to the NHL in Nov of this past season and was suspended TWICE by the NHL for losing his cool with officials... and after his first NHL year, Phoenix is sends him onto the Rangers. I dunno. Sounds like a locker room headcase type of guy that teams have repeatedly regretted signing and and looked to move.
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Find a way to trade Staal. Any way. Please. Trade Holden.
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What's so great? Only 1 year of control, already makes $5m, has cracked 40 points twice in the last 5 years, and averages over a penalty minute per game for his career.
Why should I give a first round pick, let alone add anything??
Staal isnt an add, he's an albatross. It could take a #21 overall just to be rid of his deal.
Fair enough. That's a deal I do. I was going back and forth between here and HFBoards, so in my head I guess I was refuting a bunch of other stupid Kane-based ideas that I read over there. My bad.
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As the #2C, Hayes gets to play with the 2nd line wingers.
I'm FAR from Hayes' biggest fan on this board, but I don't think calling him a 2C is a huge stretch.
Zib + Hayes as a 1-2 is admittedly a little bit weak, but both players should have their best hockey ahead of them. To me, not an unacceptable option for a team that's admittedly trying to reload, get younger, and atone for some past sins while remaining playoff viable.
I'm just trying to figure out what the endgame here is? Re-tooling is one thing, but the problem runs deeper than gaining cap space and trading one player for a comparable one.
We're a team built from the net out with an elite forward and our best player is aging and likely has his best hockey behind him. I just wonder how this team becomes a cup contender.
I don't think anyone including Gorts could tell you what the end game is right now. I agree 100% with Deej that today was about avoiding another NMC, creating cap space, and getting younger.
On the whole, there's an issue up the middle. There's also almost 1/3 of the cap unspoken for.
If this team were to get realistic steps forward from Buch and Vesey of the magnitude that Miller and Hayes stepped up this year, you're looking at a young forward group that could be a real handful.
That's before adding anything else.
I think Gorts is on the right track. He could absolutely fuck it up, but I don't see any more reason for alarm today than I saw a year ago or 2 years ago.
But the character issues followed him even back then.
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His monthly splits are here, he had a crappy March and April.
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I don't hate this idea, given that both Dallas backups only have one year left.
I suspect that Dallas will have other less costly ways of finding one of the cap floor teams to park the salary.
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Great hearing the lead-in talking about Tampa holding two first round picks from the Rangers <sigh>
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And saying "the character issues followed him even back then." is putting it mildly. That was all they talked about the entire video.
This FO is reactive not pro-active, it pre-dates Gorton's ascension as GM but my hopes were he would bring better long term vision and planning to the personnel side of the franchise. It's proving to be the opposite and that's a major blow to our Cup aspirations imo.
The reddit thread indicates (no proof obviously) that he had similar problems growing up in NJ as did his family overall. Multiple comments that Tampa took a shot but needed to move on because the kid was a racist (I actually had the sense his prior suspensions were for homophobic comments, not racist, but I guess I was wrong).
What is most troubling to me about this is that it speaks volumes about the total package the Rangers received for Stepan and Raanta. A 7th rounder is the primary compensation. It isn't clear DeAngelo adds to the draft pick or is an overall negative moving forward. Would love to see myself rooting for this kid next year. But for now, I am very surprised at the "value" Raanta + Stepan brought (or didn't).
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This FO is reactive not pro-active, it pre-dates Gorton's ascension as GM but my hopes were he would bring better long term vision and planning to the personnel side of the franchise. It's proving to be the opposite and that's a major blow to our Cup aspirations imo.
My guess is that if Lindberg were not exposed, LV would have taken Raanta, and perhaps this trade doesn't happen today.
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...if we were looking to move Stepan why the FUCK didn't we protect Lindberg. We just went from being a strong checking/defensive/intangibles(barring our faceoff woes) team up the middle to thin and generally crappy in all regards at the pivotal(pivot) Center position.
This FO is reactive not pro-active, it pre-dates Gorton's ascension as GM but my hopes were he would bring better long term vision and planning to the personnel side of the franchise. It's proving to be the opposite and that's a major blow to our Cup aspirations imo.
My guess is that if Lindberg were not exposed, LV would have taken Raanta, and perhaps this trade doesn't happen today.
Answer was easier. We could protect 7 forwards. Nash we had to protect by rule (NMC). The other six were Stepan, Kreider, Zucc, Mika, Miller, and Hayes. All six are more valuable than Lindberg.
D.U.M.P.
Only way to square this deal.
From a sheer talent perspective, Rangers lose.
It's a salary dump.
P.E.R.I.O.D.
It was an awful job by the braintrust, such as it is.
D.U.M.P.
Only way to square this deal.
From a sheer talent perspective, Rangers lose.
It's a salary dump.
P.E.R.I.O.D.
My opinion this is addition by subtraction. You have to see how the money gets allocated to see what the full deal is.
On the surface, the player returned is not desirable.
I'm not worried about his "character" in the least. In NY he will be back with his family and support network. And now that I have had a chance to watch him some on video, the kid can flat out play.
Great deal for Rangers
I'm not worried about his "character" in the least. In NY he will be back with his family and support network. And now that I have had a chance to watch him some on video, the kid can flat out play.
Great deal for Rangers
Yup. That's what Tampa thought too.
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but it is also hockey. This is a game where guys are bashing each other's head in. Stuff gets said in the heat of the moment that shouldn't be said. He is also an Italian guy from Jersey. Probably a bit of a youthful hothead. That's the way my people are. He'll learn. We are talking about stuff that happened when he was 18, 19 years old.
I'm not worried about his "character" in the least. In NY he will be back with his family and support network. And now that I have had a chance to watch him some on video, the kid can flat out play.
Great deal for Rangers
Yup. That's what Tampa thought too.
Steve Avery? Tie Domi? Donald Brashear?
Let's not pretend the Rangers were a bunch of choir boys.
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but it is also hockey. This is a game where guys are bashing each other's head in. Stuff gets said in the heat of the moment that shouldn't be said. He is also an Italian guy from Jersey. Probably a bit of a youthful hothead. That's the way my people are. He'll learn. We are talking about stuff that happened when he was 18, 19 years old.
I'm not worried about his "character" in the least. In NY he will be back with his family and support network. And now that I have had a chance to watch him some on video, the kid can flat out play.
Great deal for Rangers
Yup. That's what Tampa thought too.
Steve Avery? Tie Domi? Donald Brashear?
Let's not pretend the Rangers were a bunch of choir boys.
Let's be clear. My primary concern is the value the Rangers received - and value means how many productive games does this kid end up playing for the Rangers and will he end up being more a plus or minus by the end of his rangers' career. Pretty clear to me that he is damaged goods that many teams don't think worthy of an investment. Tampa took a shot and decided he wasn't worth it. You seem to think that means nothing. But they spent a first rounder on him - knowing his history - assuming he would pan out for them. Then they quickly dumped him for a second rounder. There had to be a pretty damn good reason for that. Now Phoenix is moving away from him. Yea, if you ask me, it sound like a really promising situation for the Rangers...
People make mistakes and when you are 18 you are often not aware of the consequences of your actions. Let's hope he has learned.
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Draft is really loaded with Centers. Good fit for Rangers.
The more I think about this trade with Coyotes, the more I like it.
A lot of criticism for the picks, Andersson in particular, and I know nada, but the link Kyle (think it was) posted showing some of his scoring plays was fun and impressive; guess one has to take into account the level of competition.