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If you were a star athlete,how would you feel about tanking?

jcn56 : 6/23/2017 1:48 pm
Scenario: you're a very good to great professional athlete in his prime on a team that stinks. All the moves around you make it painfully obvious that the team is trying to crater this season in order to have a higher draft pick next year.

(note that you're in your prime, so it's not like you're a rookie and have plenty of time to spare, or you're an older vet whose clock is winding down.)

Do you:
- (a) accept it, because the team needs all the help it can get and won't be able to do it all in FA
- (b) resent it, seeing it as a wasted season in what is a limited career that could end at any time due to injury, or the team could not recover it's prospects in time for you to reap the benefits.
- (c) be indifferent to it, can't control it anyway and it doesn't affect your individual play, just your long term prospects of winning a championship

I'm not sure how I'd feel about this. I'd like to say I'd really want the team to improve as much and as quickly as possible, but knowing that at any moment your career could be over, and that they'd basically be telling you that one season out of that limited career would be shot would hurt. Not to mention the fact that you could be cut at any time, and your career prospects could be hurt because poor performance by the team might limit your individual performance.

What say you?
Depends on how long I think the rebuild process will be  
NYG27 : 6/23/2017 1:59 pm : link
If I'm in my prime and the rebuild process looks like it's going to take 2-3 years. Then I might have issues with the team tanking a season and would be more inclined to ask for a trade to a contender.

If we already have the pieces to make another run at the title and the team was planning to tank just to get another high level young talent on the roster, I might be OK with it for just one year.
B.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/23/2017 2:01 pm : link
Not even close.
Always play to win  
Ron Johnson 30 : 6/23/2017 2:02 pm : link
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I have a hard time letting my  
larryflower37 : 6/23/2017 2:17 pm : link
young kids win.
You go out play hard, as long as you put in the effort and the team loses out, you can keep your head high.
B.  
Diver_Down : 6/23/2017 2:17 pm : link
You play to win with the realization that their career could be over due to injury or even be a cap casualty the next year. There is no guarantee that said player will benefit from the organization obtaining the high draft pick. If it is evident the team is culling the roster to field a less than experienced team that will likely lose, then the player should demand a trade or release. A trade doesn't even have to be a contender as long as the new team doesn't operate with a loser mentality.
RE: I have a hard time letting my  
larryflower37 : 6/23/2017 2:18 pm : link
In comment 13509705 larryflower37 said:
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young kids win.
You go out play hard, as long as you put in the effort and the team loses out, you can keep your head high.


Forgot the C
RE: Always play to win  
LS : 6/23/2017 2:21 pm : link
In comment 13509681 Ron Johnson 30 said:
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+1
This is an interesting question...  
Dan in the Springs : 6/23/2017 2:40 pm : link
If I'm honest with myself, I think it would depend on the sport. If it was baseball and my team was sitting at 30-70 with 62 more games to go, I'd be pissed but really just keep working at my craft, figuring I have to keep myself at the top of my game. The bigger question to me in baseball is determining what kind of ownership do we have on the team. There are some who seem content to be permanent losers and it would be really hard for me to pass away my prime playing for a team that isn't going to get better. Furthermore, the draft isn't likely to help any time soon, probably not until I'm past my prime. In that case I'd be really pissed, but tanking the season isn't really the reason why.

In football however I'd feel differently because there are so many variables. If my team opened up 0-10 I'd still want to do what I could to win the next game. There's only 6 left. I know in football all teams can turn things around. Nothing like a hot streak of winning your last 5-6 games to give you the energy to really go after it in the offseason. I'd be pissed if my teammates were quitting on me. On the other hand, in football draft position means so much and a 1 or 2 spot difference can mean everything. If I felt like there was a shot to get a difference maker but only with the first pick overall in the draft I wouldn't be too upset with everyone tanking. I still think I'd be working my butt off though - in a career your prime might be <75 games. I wouldn't want to throw 5-6 of them away no matter what.
Can't do it  
Thegratefulhead : 6/23/2017 2:44 pm : link
I could see the the logic in tanking. I could even convince myself it was the right play. Then we start competing and I want to embarass you so bad that your family is ashamed of you. I can't turn it off. I can't even let children win at ANYTHING...I am awful.
I passed in on to my daughter  
Thegratefulhead : 6/23/2017 2:49 pm : link
I love it, she got a 4.0 in all honors courses this year. Always play to win.
If the team stinks  
Deej : 6/23/2017 2:50 pm : link
then the season was wasted anyway. I guess things depend on whether it was a (1) one year, everything went wrong so lets tank dealy, or (2) we're terrible beyond the star and it's gonna be a process.

Im probably more pissed about stinking than the intent. If there is a plan to compete the following season, Im ok. If it's a multi-year tear down, then I ask to be traded.
Always ball out  
bradshaw44 : 6/23/2017 3:00 pm : link
Strahan though that was what the Giants were doing in 2007. Now he has a ring.
Just to clarify - they're not asking YOU to tank  
jcn56 : 6/23/2017 3:04 pm : link
but the team is making moves that imply they're passing on winning this season in the hopes of a higher draft pick.

Some interesting responses thus far...
For one ...  
Beer Man : 6/23/2017 3:45 pm : link
I would always do my best and play to win. But also professional sports is a business and players are always playing for their next contract; so you would still want to do your best.
B  
NNJ Tom : 6/23/2017 3:55 pm : link
I'd demand a trade or to be cut.
You don't ask or expect your players to take the long-term view  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/23/2017 5:16 pm : link
That's for the front office. Players should want to win as many games as possible. The GM determines what's best for the long term competitive position of the franchise.

You expect your ballpayers to be unhappy with it. From the bench.
These guys got to where they are because they  
David in LA : 6/23/2017 5:22 pm : link
are competitive. Plus, even if they are on a bad team, they are playing for their jobs and next contract. So, nope, not on board with tanking. I'm unloading the entire clip when I'm on the floor.
RE: This is an interesting question...  
njm : 6/23/2017 5:25 pm : link
In comment 13509756 Dan in the Springs said:
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If I'm honest with myself, I think it would depend on the sport. If it was baseball and my team was sitting at 30-70 with 62 more games to go, I'd be pissed but really just keep working at my craft, figuring I have to keep myself at the top of my game. The bigger question to me in baseball is determining what kind of ownership do we have on the team. There are some who seem content to be permanent losers and it would be really hard for me to pass away my prime playing for a team that isn't going to get better. Furthermore, the draft isn't likely to help any time soon, probably not until I'm past my prime. In that case I'd be really pissed, but tanking the season isn't really the reason why.

In football however I'd feel differently because there are so many variables. If my team opened up 0-10 I'd still want to do what I could to win the next game. There's only 6 left. I know in football all teams can turn things around. Nothing like a hot streak of winning your last 5-6 games to give you the energy to really go after it in the offseason. I'd be pissed if my teammates were quitting on me. On the other hand, in football draft position means so much and a 1 or 2 spot difference can mean everything. If I felt like there was a shot to get a difference maker but only with the first pick overall in the draft I wouldn't be too upset with everyone tanking. I still think I'd be working my butt off though - in a career your prime might be <75 games. I wouldn't want to throw 5-6 of them away no matter what.


I agree it would vary with the sport. I'd always go 100% personally. But with football, your career is on the line every time you're on the field for a snap. I wouldn't take that risk on a team that's purposely tanking. Sit me or trade me in that scenario. With baseball, the career threat is much smaller and my reaction would be less intense.
How would I feel?  
Marty in Albany : 6/23/2017 5:26 pm : link
That I had a tankless job!!
Rimshot!!
You  
old man : 6/23/2017 7:09 pm : link
play to win the game.
----H.E.
You control what you can control  
joeinpa : 6/24/2017 6:54 am : link
Your personal performance
I'm not sure tanking in football does anything.  
FStubbs : 6/24/2017 9:20 am : link
Now there is merit in football to "cleaning house" - blowing up an old, creaky roster and starting over from scratch - even if you have to endure a 2-14 season or so with young raw talent. That's not the same as tanking, though.

Teams tank because they want a high draft pick to get that one magic player that instantly transforms them into contenders. Teams sucked for Luck and to a much lesser extent clowned for Clowney, but it's not often that can't miss, sure thing gamechanger comes along in football. It's only basketball where a LeBron James or Shaquille O'Neal at the #1 pick instantly makes your team a title contender.

The closest I've ever seen to a #1 pick in football carrying a rotten roster to a championship would be Eli in 2011, but it took years for him to develop into that.
D  
annexOPR : 6/24/2017 10:32 am : link
laugh at the stupid amount of money that was direct deposited into my account. Repeat weekly.
..  
annexOPR : 6/24/2017 10:33 am : link
and I don't worry about what I can't control.
Obviously as a player you always play to win  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2017 10:38 am : link
and even teams that tank I don't think any have ever asked a player on the field, court, ice, etc. to purposely lose.

my thoughts on it if I were a star would probably be related to if I had won any rings with the franchise yet and if I'm being paid already like an establishes star.

because winning and money IMO are the two main considerations for pro athletes.

If I've already won rings with this team and I'm getting paid millions I'd probably accept it as a cycle teams go through.

those two things have to be answered yes (rings and cash) for me to feel that way.

if I haven't won yet I'd probably feel like my chances at winning a title were being reduced and if I haven't been paid yet I'd feel like my personal earning potential was being impacted by a shitty team
in the jets case  
msh : 6/24/2017 1:57 pm : link
they are going to be around the bottom of the win column already they have problems with the cap particularly the overpay and glut along the DL they dont have a proven qb or franchise qb in a tough division and they have an aging OL

thier best players were marshall,decker,harris,mangold etc are all on the back nine of thier careers they have watched cleveland build up a huge array of talent and benefit from qb hungry teams giving them gang buster trades and decided they should push to finish lower to get some of the benefits cleveland has had

clear the decks of high priced veterans and see what they have with the backhalf of the roster now and hope a few of these guys step up now the marque guys like marshall and decker are gone while they plot for a franchise QB next offseason and to garner players to support him along with more cap space to rebuild some areas with FA signings

from the gm and team position it makes sense but for the fans and players it stinks you are deliberately trying not to win and that is a hard pill to swallow particularly for the rest of the league as it all but gift wraps 2 wins to the pats before the first training camp as it stands
It's a way of life in the  
Doomster : 6/24/2017 2:12 pm : link
NBA......
the same way i feel about it as a business owner  
BlackburnBalledOut : 6/25/2017 8:41 am : link
i dont understand it. maybe im too competetive, but the thought of entering a competition and intentionally losing makes me fucking sick. if youre not doing everyything you can to win at all times during a game then get off of the field.
I wouldn't put up with it  
Matt M. : 6/25/2017 10:15 am : link
First of all, I am very competitive. I play 100% and play to win. As someone else said, I have to show a lot of restraint just to let my 12 year old have a chance (but I won't necessarily let him win).

Now, as an elite athlete, I would have high expectations to begin with. Then you realize, even with the top pick or trades for top prospects, nothing is guaranteed. So, tanking a year or two in hopes of making better moves doen the road wouldn't sit well with me. I would want out and want to end up on a contender.
The reality is that  
NINEster : 6/26/2017 2:28 am : link
a lot of the tanking can be done merely with coaching.

So easy to lose a game through coaching in the modern NFL.

Players can do their best and be undermined by poor schemes or decisions by the coaching staff. They should never consider having to doing a poor job on the field, and no good team should ever encourage that.

I always thought a more fun way to tank is just to take a lot of risks -- lots of blitzes, man coverage all day long, lots of deep passes, etc. The funny thing is that even a poor team can get lucky playing too aggressively, and the rewards for everyone is huge when it happens.

As for the roster fit aspect, many players are savvy enough to know what's up. They should hopefully trust the front office if indeed the tank is worth it, and that a plan is in place for the team to get better.

Worst are scenarios like the Niners the last two years where the GM truly thought everything was a-ok and did almost nothing in the offseason to remedy it. Tanking is definitely better than blind incompetence.
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