These two draft picks have gotten very little press and very few on this board have spoken about them. Has anyone had a chance to watch their college performance, have any expectations about what they contribute on the pro level?
based on his college production. He went back for his junior year in order to refine his game. I think he'll be a nice COP guy to Perkins, and since he made it to camp on time - unlike Perkins - I think he'll be a step ahead of Perkins in terms of seeing the field. It took Perkins to week 4 to start seeing carries. I wouldn't be surprised to see Gallman get some earlier looks than that.
Moss has gotten a lot of good press in OTAs by players and coaches. He sounds like the real deal. He wasn't on my radar leading up to the draft. His cohort on the Youngstown State D line Derek Rivers got a lot more press in the lead up to the draft. But, Moss sounds like he's advanced in his technique in terms of pass rushing skills. I wouldn't be surprised to him get a few sacks next year.
He had a write-up of potential day 2 and day 3 sleepers. Here is one player he listed after the first round.
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YOUNGSTOWN STATE DE AVERY MOSS
Moss could be an NFL starter and a good player, mostly because he might be able to fit in any number of spots. He could be a 4-3 defensive end or an outside linebacker in a 3-4. At 264 pounds he has the athleticism and natural bend to develop into a quality edge rusher.
Moss needs to develop a wider array of pass rush moves to be effective consistently in the NFL. He’s a good athlete with little refinement as a pass rusher at this point, but you can see the potential.
I believe I read that the Giants were practicing with Gallman at RB in these situations (using a FB and/or multiple TEs at various times). Also, that the kid looked kind of lost when the OTAs began, but appeared to "get it" more and more as they progressed.
Moss has been praised for his athleticism, but you really won't know what you have with the kid until the pads come on. Still, I wouldn't expect that much out of him this year, except possibly on special teams, unless - God forbid - we lose a DE or two to injury.
Has a physicality to his game that belies his size. It's not really a question that he'll be a good player, just how good. Pretty much does everything well, and has a nose for the end zone near the goal line. I like him, he will at least be a good complementary RB, but down the line may be good enough to have a feature role.
And here is a write-up leading up to the draft comparing Â
Texas Tech’s Patrick Mahomes or Cal’s Davis Webb, a couple of “Air Raid” quarterbacks, could be the QBs who get increasing buzz before the draft. I prefer Webb among those two in the next tier.
Webb fits the NFL game better, and he might be the best quarterback prospect in this year’s NFL draft, with a higher ceiling than Trubisky or Watson. A prospect like Kizer has excellent arm talent, but Webb has a more refined feel to his game. Mahomes, on the other hand, has an alarming lack of refinement.
the coaches seemed very happy with the performance of Moss so far. He has been called a complete DE on numerous occasions and he may work his way into the DE rotation earlier than expected this season.
games at Clemson. Love his leverage and drive and yards after contact. My one concern is he runs rather upright. In the NFL that can be a recipe for disaster. We saw this with Dayne who was a monster in college but was miserable at the next level. Jacobs as well suffered from running too upright which is why even at 270 lbs he often times lost yardage on 3rd and short situations. If Gallman can lower his pad level he could be a real asset to this offense. He is very talented.
and sounds like a two-way DE. But we need to see that in the preseason. Would be great to see contributions from him and Okwara so OV doesn't have to play so much. Bring back the nascar package so we can get Snacks some rest on 3rd and longs as well.
Both guys have the potential to contribute this season Â
Everytime I watched him though Moss stood out to me. I thought he was a much better fit for what the Giants look for in a DE. He reminds me of a more athletic Robert Ayers. I think he could be a starter in the NFL. Most likely not for us, but I think he could be a very very good rotational DE.
I watched a fair bit of Gallman video clips prior to the draft and . . Â
didn't want him. Not because I think he'll be a bust, but because I thought his upside is as a journeymen in rotation and there were better choices available.
He's a well-rounded, competent RB. And he's tough. But he also isn't particularly quick, elusive or powerful, and HE HAS A VERY SLENDER BUILD with long arms and legs. He's certainly not the power back some have attempted to portray him as, and if the Giants plan on using him in that role, I fear he's likely to have his head handed to him by the increased level of violence that is the NFL. He's just not built for it.
RB-Wayne Gallman reminds me of another 4th round pick: RB-Lewis Tillman just as far as the fact that both men are the same size and ability level. Two 6-0 210 pound backs who do most things well but nothing spectacular. Gallman has better cutting ability while Tillman had better speed and was a real slasher. He broke Walter Peyton's rushing records at Jackson St.
Nothing special about him. But he will get the yards the D gives him and he can catch the ball out of the backfield.
I think he is a low ceiling, high-floor guy. He is not going to be amazing but he will get consistent snaps throughout his 4 years with the Giants.
That is exactly what you want out of a 4th round pick. Giants missed a lot in the middle rounds because they were forever looking to hit HRs instead of just putting the ball in play.
and that's fair, because I think I'm an oldtimer and out of touch...
Moss lost time because he exposed himself.....I'm sorry...it's me...but I like to like and admire the guys who wear the blue. That's almost like Vick's infraction and just moves me away. I don't want the guy on the roster and I'd rather lose with good guys than win with creeps.
Maybe I'm wrong but I am not expecting a lot from him Â
and that's fair, because I think I'm an oldtimer and out of touch...
Moss lost time because he exposed himself.....I'm sorry...it's me...but I like to like and admire the guys who wear the blue. That's almost like Vick's infraction and just moves me away. I don't want the guy on the roster and I'd rather lose with good guys than win with creeps.
How is that like Vick at all? Vick was part of a dog fighting conspiracy that systematically abused animals. The kid exposed himself to a friend. He was out of line and likely extremely immature. But they're not remotely the same or similar.
for a moment there I thought I had a right to feel about something ..well, in the way that I feel about it.
Maybe you should send me your tel. no. and that way, next time I have a thought or emotion, i could check with you.
It obviously wasn't the benign "with a friend", that doesn't get you suspended. It had to be severe to earn a suspension.
Both acts are aberrant to me and disgusting...there are crimes of anger, greed & need and I can relate to them - even if I condemn them, these were acts that I simply can't relate to or understand.
for a moment there I thought I had a right to feel about something ..well, in the way that I feel about it.
Maybe you should send me your tel. no. and that way, next time I have a thought or emotion, i could check with you.
It obviously wasn't the benign "with a friend", that doesn't get you suspended. It had to be severe to earn a suspension.
Both acts are aberrant to me and disgusting...there are crimes of anger, greed & need and I can relate to them - even if I condemn them, these were acts that I simply can't relate to or understand.
Cry me a river with your bad analogies and overreaction. I didn't tell you what to feel.
I agree entirely. Williams was a straight up bust who didn't like contact. Gallman may not have the most ability or a big NFL body, but he's got plenty of guts. Perhaps too much.
for a moment there I thought I had a right to feel about something ..well, in the way that I feel about it.
Maybe you should send me your tel. no. and that way, next time I have a thought or emotion, i could check with you.
It obviously wasn't the benign "with a friend", that doesn't get you suspended. It had to be severe to earn a suspension.
Both acts are aberrant to me and disgusting...there are crimes of anger, greed & need and I can relate to them - even if I condemn them, these were acts that I simply can't relate to or understand.
the comparison of Freeman and Murray. Those are two very different type of backs.
If you go to the link below - Gallman's page at NFL.com's draft tracker - and click on the first video (when the pick was announced), after Mike Mayock's assessment of Gallman, Charles Davis compares him to Freeman, in that they were both described as guys who did everything well, but nothing really well. Daniel Jeremiah compares his running style to Murray's.
He reminds me of the last 4th rd RB they drafted, Andre Williams. Honestly with Perkins, Vareen, and Darkwa, I don't see where he gets chances from.
I don't get the love for Orleans Darkwa. He was nothing special at Tulane and he's been anything but special as a pro. About the only thing he's shown is a propensity for getting banged up.
The Giants invested a 5th round pick in Paul Perkins (and have already anointed him the starter - prematurely in my opinion, but whatever). They spent big on Shane Vereen prior to that, but even with the recent restructuring of his contract, he can still make the bulk of his money back through incentives that are hardly unattainable, even for a part-time role-player.
This year they invested a 4th round pick in Wayne Gallman (a guy who's nothing like Andre Williams, as his 66 receptions in three years at Clemson will, in part, attest to). I doubt they did that so he could sit on the bench and watch Orleans Darkwa carry the ball.
games at Clemson. Love his leverage and drive and yards after contact. My one concern is he runs rather upright. In the NFL that can be a recipe for disaster. We saw this with Dayne who was a monster in college but was miserable at the next level. Jacobs as well suffered from running too upright which is why even at 270 lbs he often times lost yardage on 3rd and short situations. If Gallman can lower his pad level he could be a real asset to this offense. He is very talented.
Who would have thought Trent Richardson would be a bust? Who would have thought Ahmad Bradshaw would be as good as he was?
I'm interested in seeing if Khalid Abdullah makes any noise in the off-season. He played at a lower level of competition, and he may not be big or have good timed speed, but he has great balance, vision, lateral agility and very quick feet. The Giants have the UDFA signed through 2020.
I know this year was supposed to be the year for RB, but there are some even better ones likely to come out next year. I'd love the Giants to pick one up. I've got a man-crush on Derrius Guice, Fournette's replacement. If you designed an NFL RB from scratch, he'd look a lot like Guice. He's special.
Moss is tough to predict right now because we know nothing about OWA.
I think Taylor is a lock as he is a veteran who could start should an injury hit without a huge dropoff. If you put MOSS on the practice squad he likely gets plucked. We have DE depth & competition so if injuries hit in camp we'd survive (not to JPP or Vernon, God forbid...).
is on the bubble ... it'll be him or the vet they signed
Okwara and Moss will be backing up OV and JPP
Taylor is a lock to make it and be the 3rd rotational DE. He has starting experience and with a new team, one year deal, he'll be highly motivated to produce. Look, like everyone I wanted the rookie Moss to shine and make it but he is a rookie in a year when we are making a likely SB run.
I like both UFA D. Taylor and DT Bryant to make the squad and play in rotation this year.
JPP, Taylor
Snacks, Bromley
Bryant, Tomlinson (rotating)
Vernon, Okwara
Wynn, Moss & OWA fight for the final spot as we carry 9 DL's I do believe. If OWA can stay healthy and get his personal issues straightened out.
For some reason, I envision Moss magically "IR'd" after the last pre-season game. LOL. It would be a risk to put him on the practice squad, yes, but if he isn't ready to play and start like a D. Taylor can than I think you have to somehow save him. Plus it is a long camp and injuries happen, anyone can go down for a period of time or (gulp) the season so having this kind of competition is just great.
If you think that Avery Moss is in any danger of not making the final 53, think again. The Giants didn't draft him in the 5th round so he could sit behind a JAG like Wynn or a who-knows-what-he-is like Odighizuwa. Okwara and Taylor may have a leg up on Moss, but he's still a virtual lock to make the team. They're not going to risk him on the Practice Squad, not with pass-rushers at a premium and his ability to play 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB making him attractive to a whole bunch of teams, and he won't get "magically" IRed, which would mean he couldn't practice with the team.
If you think that Avery Moss is in any danger of not making the final 53, think again. The Giants didn't draft him in the 5th round so he could sit behind a JAG like Wynn or a who-knows-what-he-is like Odighizuwa. Okwara and Taylor may have a leg up on Moss, but he's still a virtual lock to make the team. They're not going to risk him on the Practice Squad, not with pass-rushers at a premium and his ability to play 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB making him attractive to a whole bunch of teams, and he won't get "magically" IRed, which would mean he couldn't practice with the team.
9 DL's likely make the team. I think OWA, Wynn and Thomas are the most likely cuts. Moss is still a rookie so no way he plays of D. Taylor who can sport both Vernon and JPP withou dramatic dropoff in play.
I don't see Okwara cut as he held his own as a UDFA rookie when JPP went down. So I grinded up the numbers...and all I'm saying is nothing is a sure thing outside of the starters.
Now, if Moss makes the roster as a pass rush LB, who does he make it over? Herzlich perhaps? Moss can plays specials as I understand it and if he is made a SLB in camp I would NOT be shocked.
That is certainly possible. OWA's only chance is to show he can be the 3rd down interior pass rusher as he has that dynamic first step. So in summary, we have some good problems (if you want to call it that); chiefly, competition. One injury in camp settles everything.
I want Moss to stick not because he was a 5th round pick but because he shows top end potential and talent and the Giants know as the season moves on he can be utilized more and more.
Unlikely, in my opinion, as he spent the majority of the spring working with the "ones," and splitting time with Bromley on the first team in the nickel.
I doubt the Giants will keep Corbin Bryant over him (or over Jay Bromley, for that matter).
Personally, I don't think much of DT R. Thomas. I would not be surprised if we kept Bryant over him or quite frankly over Bromley. Thomas has been a journeyman and Bromley has never really lived up to expectations.
But again, we have a situation here where there will be competition and that is always a good thing. I hope Jay Bromley steps up a bit; I hope Robert Thomas (big body) can outplay little Bryant; however, careers to date I think Bryant may have the better resume??? Not by much, an inch here or there, but the Giants signed the veteran for a reason: to compete. Bryant has started in this league.
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He reminds me of the last 4th rd RB they drafted, Andre Williams. Honestly with Perkins, Vareen, and Darkwa, I don't see where he gets chances from.
I don't get the love for Orleans Darkwa. He was nothing special at Tulane and he's been anything but special as a pro. About the only thing he's shown is a propensity for getting banged up.
The Giants invested a 5th round pick in Paul Perkins (and have already anointed him the starter - prematurely in my opinion, but whatever). They spent big on Shane Vereen prior to that, but even with the recent restructuring of his contract, he can still make the bulk of his money back through incentives that are hardly unattainable, even for a part-time role-player.
This year they invested a 4th round pick in Wayne Gallman (a guy who's nothing like Andre Williams, as his 66 receptions in three years at Clemson will, in part, attest to). I doubt they did that so he could sit on the bench and watch Orleans Darkwa carry the ball.
I think you're downplaying Darkwa a bit, not saying he's an all pro talent, but he flashed as a between the tackles runner. His issue has always been staying healthy. At this point, the team probably felt that he is who he is, a guy that's always going to be nicked, so we picked up Gallman.
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He reminds me of the last 4th rd RB they drafted, Andre Williams. Honestly with Perkins, Vareen, and Darkwa, I don't see where he gets chances from.
I don't get the love for Orleans Darkwa. He was nothing special at Tulane and he's been anything but special as a pro. About the only thing he's shown is a propensity for getting banged up.
The Giants invested a 5th round pick in Paul Perkins (and have already anointed him the starter - prematurely in my opinion, but whatever). They spent big on Shane Vereen prior to that, but even with the recent restructuring of his contract, he can still make the bulk of his money back through incentives that are hardly unattainable, even for a part-time role-player.
This year they invested a 4th round pick in Wayne Gallman (a guy who's nothing like Andre Williams, as his 66 receptions in three years at Clemson will, in part, attest to). I doubt they did that so he could sit on the bench and watch Orleans Darkwa carry the ball.
I think you're downplaying Darkwa a bit, not saying he's an all pro talent, but he flashed as a between the tackles runner. His issue has always been staying healthy. At this point, the team probably felt that he is who he is, a guy that's always going to be nicked, so we picked up Gallman.
Dwarka, if healthy, can play. We haven't seen anything from W. Gallman yet to measure against though again he is a fourth round pick for a reason: he produces despite a lack of top end speed. Tiki didn't have top end speed either.
If Gallman can find the whole, use his blockers, cut on a dime he'll be fine. He just won't likely bust those 20+ yard runs much unless he has wide open lanes and wideouts blocking hard downfield.
I see Perkins, Vereen, Dwarka and Gallman making this team and forming a young RB corps. Draughn gets cut over Dwarka if Dwarka can stay healthy. Just a guess really and it could actually end up going the opposite way.
David, maybe I'm getting cranky in my old age... Â
But I'm getting tired of keeping guys around who are chronically injured. There is nothing that Darkwa brings to the table that can't be made up for by Gallman (as a RB), or by an additional DB or WR on special teams (or a FB like Smith).
RE: David, maybe I'm getting cranky in my old age... Â
But I'm getting tired of keeping guys around who are chronically injured. There is nothing that Darkwa brings to the table that can't be made up for by Gallman (as a RB), or by an additional DB or WR on special teams (or a FB like Smith).
And there-in lies the rub: risk/reward. Dwarka can play...IF...Healthy. But he is often dinged. His advantage is that he knows the offense and is still young but if he misses practices and limps about, he's gone.
Klaatu, I think we're all getting cranky seeing a poor running attack Â
What I like about McAdoo is that he seems to move on quickly from guys, but will give them honest looks. In all likelihood, Gallman pushes Darkwa off the roster, or at the very least eats into his snaps. I have no idea how it's going to shake out with Draughn, does he hold any value on special teams?
David, I've said repeatedly that I want to keep only three RBs. Â
What I like about McAdoo is that he seems to move on quickly from guys, but will give them honest looks. In all likelihood, Gallman pushes Darkwa off the roster, or at the very least eats into his snaps. I have no idea how it's going to shake out with Draughn, does he hold any value on special teams?
I read Draughn is a very good special teams player which is probably the main reason we signed him.
I wonder if we go four TE's (Engram, Ellison, Adams, Tye); 1 FB in Smith and three backs in Perkins, Vereen and Gallman? Sounds kind of crazy to carry only 3 backs given how beat up they get as the season goes so maybe Tye is the odd man out and Smith in? Lots to see and hear this camp due to competition. I love it.
As for Gallman, it's impossible to gauge a RB in OTAs and practices without pads.
Moss has gotten a lot of good press in OTAs by players and coaches. He sounds like the real deal. He wasn't on my radar leading up to the draft. His cohort on the Youngstown State D line Derek Rivers got a lot more press in the lead up to the draft. But, Moss sounds like he's advanced in his technique in terms of pass rushing skills. I wouldn't be surprised to him get a few sacks next year.
Moss could be an NFL starter and a good player, mostly because he might be able to fit in any number of spots. He could be a 4-3 defensive end or an outside linebacker in a 3-4. At 264 pounds he has the athleticism and natural bend to develop into a quality edge rusher.
Moss needs to develop a wider array of pass rush moves to be effective consistently in the NFL. He’s a good athlete with little refinement as a pass rusher at this point, but you can see the potential.
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Moss has been praised for his athleticism, but you really won't know what you have with the kid until the pads come on. Still, I wouldn't expect that much out of him this year, except possibly on special teams, unless - God forbid - we lose a DE or two to injury.
Webb fits the NFL game better, and he might be the best quarterback prospect in this year’s NFL draft, with a higher ceiling than Trubisky or Watson. A prospect like Kizer has excellent arm talent, but Webb has a more refined feel to his game. Mahomes, on the other hand, has an alarming lack of refinement.
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He's a well-rounded, competent RB. And he's tough. But he also isn't particularly quick, elusive or powerful, and HE HAS A VERY SLENDER BUILD with long arms and legs. He's certainly not the power back some have attempted to portray him as, and if the Giants plan on using him in that role, I fear he's likely to have his head handed to him by the increased level of violence that is the NFL. He's just not built for it.
I think he is a low ceiling, high-floor guy. He is not going to be amazing but he will get consistent snaps throughout his 4 years with the Giants.
That is exactly what you want out of a 4th round pick. Giants missed a lot in the middle rounds because they were forever looking to hit HRs instead of just putting the ball in play.
Moss lost time because he exposed himself.....I'm sorry...it's me...but I like to like and admire the guys who wear the blue. That's almost like Vick's infraction and just moves me away. I don't want the guy on the roster and I'd rather lose with good guys than win with creeps.
Moss lost time because he exposed himself.....I'm sorry...it's me...but I like to like and admire the guys who wear the blue. That's almost like Vick's infraction and just moves me away. I don't want the guy on the roster and I'd rather lose with good guys than win with creeps.
How is that like Vick at all? Vick was part of a dog fighting conspiracy that systematically abused animals. The kid exposed himself to a friend. He was out of line and likely extremely immature. But they're not remotely the same or similar.
Maybe you should send me your tel. no. and that way, next time I have a thought or emotion, i could check with you.
It obviously wasn't the benign "with a friend", that doesn't get you suspended. It had to be severe to earn a suspension.
Both acts are aberrant to me and disgusting...there are crimes of anger, greed & need and I can relate to them - even if I condemn them, these were acts that I simply can't relate to or understand.
Maybe you should send me your tel. no. and that way, next time I have a thought or emotion, i could check with you.
It obviously wasn't the benign "with a friend", that doesn't get you suspended. It had to be severe to earn a suspension.
Both acts are aberrant to me and disgusting...there are crimes of anger, greed & need and I can relate to them - even if I condemn them, these were acts that I simply can't relate to or understand.
Cry me a river with your bad analogies and overreaction. I didn't tell you what to feel.
But understand your compulsion to tell me how I should feel.
But understand your compulsion to tell me how I should feel.
You're being overly dramatic.
"Compulsion[...]"
"Tell[ing] me how I should feel[...]"
Christ.
I guess not likening Vick' s criminal enterprise to a dopey college mistake is restrictive of me. Sorry for being such a control freak.
I like Moss. A lot. JPP OV Okwara Moore should be a solid DE rotation.
I agree entirely. Williams was a straight up bust who didn't like contact. Gallman may not have the most ability or a big NFL body, but he's got plenty of guts. Perhaps too much.
Maybe you should send me your tel. no. and that way, next time I have a thought or emotion, i could check with you.
It obviously wasn't the benign "with a friend", that doesn't get you suspended. It had to be severe to earn a suspension.
Both acts are aberrant to me and disgusting...there are crimes of anger, greed & need and I can relate to them - even if I condemn them, these were acts that I simply can't relate to or understand.
Too sensible. It's better to pigeonhole the guy now, before camp, before any preseason games have been played. Patience is not a virtue, pally!
If you go to the link below - Gallman's page at NFL.com's draft tracker - and click on the first video (when the pick was announced), after Mike Mayock's assessment of Gallman, Charles Davis compares him to Freeman, in that they were both described as guys who did everything well, but nothing really well. Daniel Jeremiah compares his running style to Murray's.
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Sure it doesn't mean anything until pads go on, but you want to hear the guy looks fast and quick, cutting well, vision, catching the ball, etc.
It's one of the positions that you actually CAN get at least something from watching.
I don't get the love for Orleans Darkwa. He was nothing special at Tulane and he's been anything but special as a pro. About the only thing he's shown is a propensity for getting banged up.
The Giants invested a 5th round pick in Paul Perkins (and have already anointed him the starter - prematurely in my opinion, but whatever). They spent big on Shane Vereen prior to that, but even with the recent restructuring of his contract, he can still make the bulk of his money back through incentives that are hardly unattainable, even for a part-time role-player.
This year they invested a 4th round pick in Wayne Gallman (a guy who's nothing like Andre Williams, as his 66 receptions in three years at Clemson will, in part, attest to). I doubt they did that so he could sit on the bench and watch Orleans Darkwa carry the ball.
Dayne's problem was he ran with a large ass.
I'm interested in seeing if Khalid Abdullah makes any noise in the off-season. He played at a lower level of competition, and he may not be big or have good timed speed, but he has great balance, vision, lateral agility and very quick feet. The Giants have the UDFA signed through 2020.
I know this year was supposed to be the year for RB, but there are some even better ones likely to come out next year. I'd love the Giants to pick one up. I've got a man-crush on Derrius Guice, Fournette's replacement. If you designed an NFL RB from scratch, he'd look a lot like Guice. He's special.
I think Taylor is a lock as he is a veteran who could start should an injury hit without a huge dropoff. If you put MOSS on the practice squad he likely gets plucked. We have DE depth & competition so if injuries hit in camp we'd survive (not to JPP or Vernon, God forbid...).
Okwara and Moss will be backing up OV and JPP
Okwara and Moss will be backing up OV and JPP
I like both UFA D. Taylor and DT Bryant to make the squad and play in rotation this year.
JPP, Taylor
Snacks, Bromley
Bryant, Tomlinson (rotating)
Vernon, Okwara
Wynn, Moss & OWA fight for the final spot as we carry 9 DL's I do believe. If OWA can stay healthy and get his personal issues straightened out.
For some reason, I envision Moss magically "IR'd" after the last pre-season game. LOL. It would be a risk to put him on the practice squad, yes, but if he isn't ready to play and start like a D. Taylor can than I think you have to somehow save him. Plus it is a long camp and injuries happen, anyone can go down for a period of time or (gulp) the season so having this kind of competition is just great.
I don't see Okwara cut as he held his own as a UDFA rookie when JPP went down. So I grinded up the numbers...and all I'm saying is nothing is a sure thing outside of the starters.
Now, if Moss makes the roster as a pass rush LB, who does he make it over? Herzlich perhaps? Moss can plays specials as I understand it and if he is made a SLB in camp I would NOT be shocked.
JPP, Vernon, Taylor, Okwara, Moss (over OWA, Wynn)
Snacks, Bryant, Tomlinson, Bromley
That is certainly possible. OWA's only chance is to show he can be the 3rd down interior pass rusher as he has that dynamic first step. So in summary, we have some good problems (if you want to call it that); chiefly, competition. One injury in camp settles everything.
I want Moss to stick not because he was a 5th round pick but because he shows top end potential and talent and the Giants know as the season moves on he can be utilized more and more.
But again, we have a situation here where there will be competition and that is always a good thing. I hope Jay Bromley steps up a bit; I hope Robert Thomas (big body) can outplay little Bryant; however, careers to date I think Bryant may have the better resume??? Not by much, an inch here or there, but the Giants signed the veteran for a reason: to compete. Bryant has started in this league.
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He reminds me of the last 4th rd RB they drafted, Andre Williams. Honestly with Perkins, Vareen, and Darkwa, I don't see where he gets chances from.
I don't get the love for Orleans Darkwa. He was nothing special at Tulane and he's been anything but special as a pro. About the only thing he's shown is a propensity for getting banged up.
The Giants invested a 5th round pick in Paul Perkins (and have already anointed him the starter - prematurely in my opinion, but whatever). They spent big on Shane Vereen prior to that, but even with the recent restructuring of his contract, he can still make the bulk of his money back through incentives that are hardly unattainable, even for a part-time role-player.
This year they invested a 4th round pick in Wayne Gallman (a guy who's nothing like Andre Williams, as his 66 receptions in three years at Clemson will, in part, attest to). I doubt they did that so he could sit on the bench and watch Orleans Darkwa carry the ball.
I think you're downplaying Darkwa a bit, not saying he's an all pro talent, but he flashed as a between the tackles runner. His issue has always been staying healthy. At this point, the team probably felt that he is who he is, a guy that's always going to be nicked, so we picked up Gallman.
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He reminds me of the last 4th rd RB they drafted, Andre Williams. Honestly with Perkins, Vareen, and Darkwa, I don't see where he gets chances from.
I don't get the love for Orleans Darkwa. He was nothing special at Tulane and he's been anything but special as a pro. About the only thing he's shown is a propensity for getting banged up.
The Giants invested a 5th round pick in Paul Perkins (and have already anointed him the starter - prematurely in my opinion, but whatever). They spent big on Shane Vereen prior to that, but even with the recent restructuring of his contract, he can still make the bulk of his money back through incentives that are hardly unattainable, even for a part-time role-player.
This year they invested a 4th round pick in Wayne Gallman (a guy who's nothing like Andre Williams, as his 66 receptions in three years at Clemson will, in part, attest to). I doubt they did that so he could sit on the bench and watch Orleans Darkwa carry the ball.
I think you're downplaying Darkwa a bit, not saying he's an all pro talent, but he flashed as a between the tackles runner. His issue has always been staying healthy. At this point, the team probably felt that he is who he is, a guy that's always going to be nicked, so we picked up Gallman.
If Gallman can find the whole, use his blockers, cut on a dime he'll be fine. He just won't likely bust those 20+ yard runs much unless he has wide open lanes and wideouts blocking hard downfield.
I see Perkins, Vereen, Dwarka and Gallman making this team and forming a young RB corps. Draughn gets cut over Dwarka if Dwarka can stay healthy. Just a guess really and it could actually end up going the opposite way.
I wonder if we go four TE's (Engram, Ellison, Adams, Tye); 1 FB in Smith and three backs in Perkins, Vereen and Gallman? Sounds kind of crazy to carry only 3 backs given how beat up they get as the season goes so maybe Tye is the odd man out and Smith in? Lots to see and hear this camp due to competition. I love it.