NFT: Knicks CHat 6/26: The OTHER Frenchy may be a Knick in 18

In comment 13511642 GeofromNJ said:

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he'd score 30 every night and the Knicks would win. Instead, he weaves in and out of the perimeter, looking for a pass from another member of Jackson's triangle. The 'T' is a waste of KP's talent.

Don't fret, Rambis is working feverishly to turn a revolutionary talent at center into a mediocre low post player. What could possibly go wrong? Remember: Three-pointers are "cheap."

is a solid athlete but short wingspan relative to his height (shorter than Monk's for example). He moved to the 2 guard this season so it's not clear where the Knicks see him playing (he's expected to be stashed). He's missing some pretty key ingredients projecting him to be even a major contributor at the next level but you never know?

Time for he and Phil to retire.

We trade Lee for Rubio

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shit on KP
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Buy him out??? No. Tell him he is going to play coming off the bench. Cut his game time and let him watch. See if he will agree to a trade then.

tried to talk a little X's and O's. Raissman's on SNY quite a bit and is a blubbering idiot.

In comment 13511669 DanMetroMan said:

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Often the question is asked, why is the 7'3 floor spacer who is still physically developing (as expected) not standing 3 feet from the basket?

I worry that this and the Rosen column are Phil planting stories for Dolan to read. See, it's not just Phil -- the media agrees, KP spoke back to master and has got to go!

In comment 13511559 bceagle05 said:

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but you'll have a divided locker room and a rabid NY media fanning the flames every day for months. And the team won't be good enough keep the focus on basketball.

I'm sorry but this is bullshit. You're telling me the media "frenzy" would prevent the Knicks from practicing or playing as well as they can? The media takes itself way too seriously because of comments just like this.

Coach the fucking team. Fuck the media.

Spreewell and Houston couldn't co-exist together because they played the same position. Starks wasn't going to flourish coming off the bench. The locker room was going to explode because the Knicks traded Oakley for Camby. Mason for LJ. Remember those gems? All of them...BULLSHIT.

Coughlin couldn't bring in FAs. That was fun too. Or how about the Tiki Strahan feud obliterating the Giants locker room and playoff chances before the season began? 10 wins later and a playoff berth later....

This team needs a fucking leader with balls. Coach the team for fuck's sake.

In comment 13511550 bceagle05 said:
[quote] He was asked about it by a reporter after game 82 last season, and laughed at the idea of it. Remember his reaction to the SLAM Magazine player rankings last year? He views himself as a top 10 player still, and top 10 players don't come off the bench. And it's not like he's blocking a young SF on our roster. Who starts? N'Dour? Lance? The good news is he'll likely waive the no-trade in a second if we tried to force that role on him. [/quote

Ok fine. Then he can rot on the bench. What's Melo going to do? Quit? Go ahead...please....please quit.

Melo is done dictating things here. He's got one ace in the hole left and that's the NTC. That's all he has. You want to wait out Phil there Melo? You want to exercise your last power play and insist on staying here with the Knicks? Fine, no problem. You're the 6th man. Don't like it? Bitch on twitter. Tough fucking shit.

you tell him that he needs to do X, Y, and Z when out there. Move the ball, triangley shit, and D up consistently. When he doesnt do it, you bench him a quarter. Then the start the half. Then you bench him to start a game.

You dont have to go from zero to 60 on this. You can also tell him that this will be the drill right now, and maybe he buckles on the NTC.

until he finally agrees to a trade. I've been advocating that for about two years now. Take his playing time - he'll cave. If that's the plan, I'm on board. Benching him for Lance Thomas or Maurice N'Dour, however, is a tough sell, especially when your head coach knows his predecessor got fired a year and a half into his tenure. Hornacek needs wins, unless Phil tells him we're blowing it up and your job is secure.

I don't care so much about the fans and media, I care about coaches and front office members trying to keep their jobs. Hornacek is not benching Melo for N'Dour, Kuz or Lance, nor would he bench Rose for Baker or an 18-year-old rookie from France. Both need to be wearing different uniforms as soon as possible.

In comment 13511498 Keith said:

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1. NTC 2. He's not that valuable anymore, especially making close to 30M. 3. The Knicks have made it clear that they don't want him. Teams are smart to wait it out and see if they can get him for free.

I think its the NTC mostly. The teams that he'll go to, CLE and LAC (supposedly) dont have any decent future assets. They have no interesting young players. More importantly, the contracts they have to offer back are either core pieces or terrible. Generally teams in these situations trade futures and expirings for a vet; not vet for vet.

about a pivot or sorts and dealing Melo to Cleveland for smaller deals like Frye/Shumpert and 1-2 picks and then auctioning off those players? I'm not saying Frye or Shumpert have primo value but maybe a team like SA gives up a guy like Kyle Anderson for him? Shump is pretty garbage but maybe a team that misses out/doesn't want to pay for a Justin Holiday gives you a 2nd or something quasi decent for him. Shumpert has 1 year + a player option and while he stinks I assume he likely finds a multi-year deal if he opts out.

I want him to be a big part of this team. There is plenty of room for KP's growth and Melo's impact on this team. But the whole coaching, leadership and discipline thing comes into play. Too bad the knicks have none of it.

Melo can still log tons of minutes. Take millions of shots and score a shit load of points. He can still take the last shot if needed. And you can still transition the team over to KP and taylor things in that direction.

This team is just pathetic if they cut Melo. It would be as dumb and senseless a move as any in their history. The guy isn't dead or lame. Melo is a legit 20 PPG player that can rebound. WTF...I just shake my head.

I don't think you can trust him to sit on the bench and behave.

Mudiay and a pick would be good enough for me,he's flashed enough that it would be a decent gamble.

In comment 13511725 DanMetroMan said:

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about a pivot or sorts and dealing Melo to Cleveland for smaller deals like Frye/Shumpert and 1-2 picks and then auctioning off those players? I'm not saying Frye or Shumpert have primo value but maybe a team like SA gives up a guy like Kyle Anderson for him? Shump is pretty garbage but maybe a team that misses out/doesn't want to pay for a Justin Holiday gives you a 2nd or something quasi decent for him. Shumpert has 1 year + a player option and while he stinks I assume he likely finds a multi-year deal if he opts out.

I think this makes some sense. But for those trying to add in Melo to the Cavs pursuit of Paul George? It's not happening.

Teams know the situation- they aren't dumb. They can easily wait on a buyout. And for those suggesting using Melo as a 6th man or just outright benching him? No chance in hell on this Knicks team. You guys are underestimating how powerful and connected Carmelo is around the nba. He's got more friends and power than Phil Jackson.

You want to wait until after free agency to see if a team like Miami would bite or the Clippers or Cavs give up some future draft picks? That's fine. But you can't start next season with Carmelo if you really want to rebuild. Send a message that it's KPs time and they are going with a youth movement. Having Melo gives them another 5-10 wins that take you from a top 3 pick to a 8-10 pick. Some magical package of young players and picks isn't going to appear.

There's also going to be a "tanking vacuum" this year. Knicks should take advantage and get a top 3 pick. But knowing Phil, he'll be signing vets for a shot at the playoffs.

Why would they at this point? I could see Philly, LA, Phoenix, Sacramento and Minny (obviously) all jumping over us in the standings. Orlando will probably suck again, as will Brooklyn. Chicago may enter the fray. We're in prime tanking position, no doubt.

fairness to Phil/Melo

1. Phil telling Melo there will be no buyout is an unnecessarily aggressive move when there is no indication Melo is actually pushing for one

2. Coming out and saying it almost legitimizes the idea of doing so, by not speaking about it it's almost like saying "cmon, that's ridiculous".

If Melo begins pushing for one I could see Phil stomping that down publicly and behind closed doors but right now it seems unnecessary. Phil knows the market for Melo better than we do. He knows if moving him is realistic or not. Either there is an outline of a market for him (possibly predicated on PG13 etc) or there isn't and Phil has to prepare to go into the season with Melo.

In comment 13511775 bceagle05 said:

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Why would they at this point? I could see Philly, LA, Phoenix, Sacramento and Minny (obviously) all jumping over us in the standings. Orlando will probably suck again, as will Brooklyn. Chicago may enter the fray. We're in prime tanking position, no doubt.

On paper Orlando has a lot more talent than the Knicks and I don't think it's particularly close (save me the "I'd take KP over anyone on their roster" because that's not my point"

Fournier
Gordon
Vucevic
Payton
Isaac
Ross
Biyombo
Meeks

I know they were awful last year but I would still bet on them winning more games than the Knicks

Hell, I wouldn't rule out the Nets until we see how July pans out. They have legit interest in Reddick, who has a place in Brooklyn. Maybe they snag an RFA they like this time around, too.

swirling the Wolves think they have a legit shot at Lowry.

getting rubio for scraps that MINN has the capspace is the kind of move ive wanted the knicks to use capspace on. LIke all those trades we made and gave away assets so that we can sign whoever. And if your MINN, giving rubio up for nothing so that you can sign lowry is still a good move.

so I guess Minny's a legit option for any FA PG now, once the dust settles on Chris Paul.

In comment 13511813 bceagle05 said:

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so I guess Minny's a legit option for any FA PG now, once the dust settles on Chris Paul.

I suppose that's why Minn is telling everyone that Rubio is available. They want FA PGs to know there is an opening there.

know that they beat the Warriors but that's potentially a very, very interesting team with Lowry.

Lowry
Wiggins
Butler
KAT
Dieng

it would be rubio into knicks cap space..

rubio lee melo kp willy....championship

i hope Ndour and plumlee dont eat up a lot of minutes, i have no interest in seeing them.

assuming there's an actual camera crew this year. Last year it was like watching a high school game, and Crispino and Walt were broadcasting from the MSG studios.

Obviously looking forward to the three draft picks, but also Artis. His age hurt him on draft night, but he looks like a player. Hopefully he and Dotson develop so we don't have to overpay the Justin Holidays and Lance Thomas's of the world anymore.

In comment 13511813 bceagle05 said:

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so I guess Minny's a legit option for any FA PG now, once the dust settles on Chris Paul.

Even if they can't pull Lowry, George Hill would be a great fit for what they need. He is an efficient scorer, good shooter and is a plus player on the defensive end. He's shown throughout his career that he's fine playing off the ball and would be a great compliment to the young core they have.

Official Roster

26 Jamel Artis F 6-7 213 Jan. 13, 1993 Pittsburgh/USA Pittsburgh/NCAA R
30 Canyon Barry G 6-6 215 Jan. 7, 1994 Florida/USA Florida/NCAA R
21 Damyean Dotson G 6-6 205 May 6, 1994 Houston/USA Houston/NCAA R
20 Nigel Hayes F 6-8 254 Dec. 6, 1994 Wisconsin/USA Wisconsin/USA R
23 Ognjen Jaramaz G 6-4 181 Sep. 1, 1995 Serbia Mega Leks/Serbia R
16 Dominique Jones G 6-4 215 Oct. 15, 1988 South Florida/USA Adad/Iran 3
3 Luke Kornet F 7-1 250 Jul. 15, 1995 Vanderbilt/USA Vanderbilt/NCAA R
35 Louis Labeyrie F 6-10 200 Feb. 11, 1992 France Paris Levallois/France R
2 Maurice Ndour F 6-9 200 Jun. 18, 1992 Ohio/Senegal New York/NBA 1
17 Frank Ntilikina G 6-5 190 Jul. 28, 1998 France Strasbourg/France R
40 Marshall Plumlee C 7-0 250 Jul. 14, 1992 Duke/USA New York/NBA 1
4 Chasson Randle G 6-2 185 Feb. 5, 1993 Stanford/USA New York/NBA 1
1 Xavier Rathan-Mayes G 6-4 208 Apr. 29, 1994 Florida State/USA Florida

the favorites for Teodosic, guess they expect Hill to bounce

It'd be a shame if Hayward bolts.

is running the Jazz is doing an excellent job.

Claims Melo was open to the Sixers and Wizards but no longer is

In comment 13512081 DanMetroMan said:

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Claims Melo was open to the Sixers and Wizards but no longer is

Wonder why. Sixers have only gotten stronger.

the Sixers want him. The Wiz have always been a very logical destination.

Hometown team, desperately need a 2nd/3rd scorer depending on how you feel about Beal.

Have the contracts to get it done, too.

In comment 13512084 Anakim said:

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In comment 13512081 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Claims Melo was open to the Sixers and Wizards but no longer is Wonder why. Sixers have only gotten stronger.

The implication was he doesn't want to be traded anymore

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Awkward

And Lavar is certifiably batshit crazy

I like awkward stuff like that. Lavar is GOAT status awkward.

I would not be shocked if Lavar went on a killing rampage one day

LaMelo Ball just said on national TV "beat that ni**a ass"

was such a bad idea. We know that Melo was taking the money so why did we have to offer that. I mean if he really doesnt want to be traded there is nothing we can do about it other then buy him out which i really hate. And shit if he really doesnt want to leave then the chances he opts out after this season might be 50/50 at best. If that is really the case then Phil/Hornacek really need to work together with him to adjust his game. I know its not likely, but if we are stuck with him then they might as well try.

they now have 17 million in cap room...

rubio, aldrich, bjelica for lee and thomas saves them another 4 million..