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if phil resign rose say 2 years 24 million, amd then rrleased melo so he still had cap space them gave 15 million to tucker?

aside from the melo situation. On one hand, it would be terrible if he was back with this team, but on the other hand, do we really want to buy him out and let him go to a contender?? I think Phil needs to announce that there won't be a buy out.

We also need George to get moved elsewhere so we can use Denver to take love and send Melo to Cleveland.

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if phil resign rose say 2 years 24 million, amd then rrleased melo so he still had cap space them gave 15 million to tucker?

I'd rather have rose than Melo, but right now I'd rather have neither.

the knicks does shocks me, but i really cant see why anyone in the FO would think bringing back Rose is a good idea. You just drafted your PG of the future and said you want him to play 25+ minutes a game. Why then go and bring back Rose.

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the knicks does shocks me, but i really cant see why anyone in the FO would think bringing back Rose is a good idea. You just drafted your PG of the future and said you want him to play 25+ minutes a game. Why then go and bring back Rose.

reading the tea leaves and goong by what phil said, he would play rose at the 2 and let him just be the slasher scorer...

then have a lead guard who initiates the offense, you could start frank and rose together but i agree why even bother at this point?

phil already said frank will get 28 mins a might at least he hopes...

Says if we agree to a buy out we will have to stretch his remaining $54 million on the cap over 5 years. My question is why? Can we just agree to a buyout to avoid that, I thought stretch is to just basically get rid of a guy that won't be on team anymore without player consent. I'm assuming Melo and Knicks would have a mutually agreed upon buyout?

If this is the case I am beyond against a buyout because he will opt after this year anyway so it won't hurt the cap going forward. I would just tell him we are in rebuild mode and he will get limited minutes. Although it would probably damage Phil and the Knicks image even worse if they started playing melo 10 mins a night

on melo, but doing it would give us much more capspace this year. But who cares about that. Using the stretch would be the worst possible option. I mean who are we signing with that extra money? If they buy him out you might as well bite the bullet this year and be done with it.

Knicks trade: Melo and KOQ
Knicks get: Faried, Jameer Nelson, Mudiay, Richard Jefferson

Cleveland trades: Love, Jefferson
Cleveland gets: Melo, KOQ

Denver trades: Faried, Nelson, Mudiay
Denver gets: Love

Cleveland may have to get a pick from Denver to sweeten the pot.

Not ideal for Knicks as Faried has 3 years remaining, but all of those guys should be movable at the deadline.

but i dont know if its worth trading melo/KOQ for basically the upside of Mudiay. Especially when we just drafted a PG. If you could swap Juancho or one of DEN's SG's (Barton/Harris) id love it, but of course then DEN prolly wont do it.

id rather just keep Love and see if we can do better then that during the season.

is of no use to this team (at any price). Matter of fact he has negative value as it relates to the young players.

unless he improved drastically, is a really skill-less player. Terrible.

of trading Melo and getting any of Denver's young assets, we need the PG trade talks to stall or maybe have LAL re-insert themselves to acquire PG now instead of later

market is until Hayward signs and the PG13 situation plays out. After that is when the knicks might be able to get some trade talk going.

always impressed me as a bench wing

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unless he improved drastically, is a really skill-less player. Terrible.

He had a decent season (in the same league as Frank) but yeah his last summer league showing was embarrassing. No downside to giving him a look though. I like Kornet a bit more in a similar stretch big role.

In comment 13511378 nygiants16 said:

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if phil resign rose say 2 years 24 million, amd then rrleased melo so he still had cap space them gave 15 million to tucker?

I fail to see why Rose would sign a 2 year deal at that rate. He both locks himself in to a "below market" rate for a player with his resume and counting numbers and stops him from capitalizing if he has a big year. If I'm Rose I either want a huge 1 year number or as many years as I can get. I don't want Rose back at any price but I have to believe there is a 3 year deal out there for him if he wants it). I think a Rose/Frank backcourt would be disastrous personally. Rose doesn't look to get others involved and Frank is passive (at this early stage of his career, his own coach who absolutely RAVED about him said this was one part of his game he needs to improve upon if he's going to be great). Passive PG with selfish 2 sounds like a recipe for a really bad outcome.

But he's not a good 3pt shooter and he never improved after his impressive freshman year.

I don't think Jackson has any intention of resigning Rose unless it's a pennies on the dollar deal. Remember PJ is a former Jackson player and I think Jackson is just helping PJ drum up a market for Rose.

I also think the last thing the Knicks should do is buy out Melo. Jackson needs to make it clear he is going with youth, focusing on a 2-3 year rebuild and if Melo wants to spend the next year or two as a mentor/vet presence on a rebuilding team, that's fine. But he should also tell Melo that they plan on getting real minutes for the young guys so his minutes will be fewer than he is accustomed.

Let's see then if Melo sticks to his no trade. If he does, at least expectations are set.

is entering Marbury territory. I am referring to several years ago where Marbury's a) ego b) salary demands c) style of play made it difficult to find an NBA team fit with an projected outcome that would be good for player/team.

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But he's not a good 3pt shooter and he never improved after his impressive freshman year.

53% from the line is pretty tough to pull off for a 6'4 player lol

Rose bashing aside I think he should go to a contender as a scorer off the bench. Cavs, Boston etc. He might be able to carve out a "second career" in this role.

But I didn't realize he was that bad. 53%??

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But I didn't realize he was that bad. 53%??

For his career better than that but this past season 53%, he should work with Canyon Barry aka shoots them underhanded. They should have Barry work with Noah.

(despite being the coach) got into the debut "Big3" game last night, pretty cool
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“There just wasn’t a center available,” said Thorn. “What can you do?”

Counting your blessings doesn’t seem inappropriate.

“He’s only 6-5,” said Thorn, who must use a different yardstick than Dean Smith, the Carolina coach. Down where the tobacco grows, Jordan has always been 6-6, not that one inch ever stopped Jordan from crashing the boards, hitting from the outside or playing substantially above sea level. By the time he gets to Chicago, or when negotiations for his wages get sticky, Jordan may be the size of a jockey. The Bulls aren't even sure where to play Jordan. "Big guard, small forward," said coach Kevin Loughery. Decisions, decisions.

"When you win only 55 games in two years," said Thorn, "you don't get well all at once. Look, when Isiah Thomas went to Detroit, he improved them but it took two years to make the playoffs.We’ve taken a step in the right direction. Jordan isn't going to turn this franchise around. I wouldn't ask him to. I wouldn't put that kind of pressure on him."


“He’s a very good offensive player,” said Thorn. “But not an overpowering offensive player.”

In comment 13511387 Keith said:

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Knicks trade: Melo and KOQ Knicks get: Faried, Jameer Nelson, Mudiay, Richard Jefferson Cleveland trades: Love, Jefferson Cleveland gets: Melo, KOQ Denver trades: Faried, Nelson, Mudiay Denver gets: Love Cleveland may have to get a pick from Denver to sweeten the pot. Not ideal for Knicks as Faried has 3 years remaining, but all of those guys should be movable at the deadline.

LeGM won't trade Rich Jeff :)

known fact, I know 2 different girls who dated Richard Jefferson, really like changing information right there I know..

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known fact, I know 2 different girls who dated Richard Jefferson, really like changing information right there I know..

Over many years, Dan, you've been BBI's go-to source for unsolicited information about players' sex lives.

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In comment 13511440 DanMetroMan said: Quote: known fact, I know 2 different girls who dated Richard Jefferson, really like changing information right there I know.. Over many years, Dan, you've been BBI's go-to source for unsolicited information about players' sex lives.

and David Lee smoking weed, don't forget this part.

trying to understand how the Cavs would land PG13 AND Faried.. okay they give up Love.. and? Presumably the Nuggets would be paying the freight on PG13 but why? I know Love is better than Faried but Faried is an above average player. Seems like every deal is "pro Cavs"

According to Joe Vardon of Cleveland.com, a three-team trade that would send Paul George to Cleveland and Kevin Love to Denver is "very unlikely" to happen.

Vardon confirmed an ESPN report that the talks took place, but it sounds like they didn't get very far. The Cavaliers initiated the trade talks, but the Pacers weren't interested in what the Nuggets had to offer -- Kenneth Faried, Wilson Chandler and Emmanuel Mudiay were all mentioned in ESPN's report on Sunday, but the Pacers were probably hoping for a better young prospect and a draft pick(s). George's value on the trade market is declining by the day, so Indiana will be motivated to find him a new home sooner rather than later.

pulling a Pau and apparently plans on opting out to help the Mavs and then signing a new 2 year deal.

Knicks trade Melo
Knicks get: Shumpert, Mudiay, 2018 or 2019 1st from Denver

Cleveland trades: Love
Cleveland gets: Melo and Faried

Denver trades: Faried, Mudiay, 2018or 2019 1st
Denver gets: Love

it is seemingly so hard to find a trade partner for Melo?

Is it Melo? His salary/no trade clause? His reputation?

I thought LeBron and Melo are best friends? Just about every big time player in the NBA now talks about joining forces with other stars. Does LeBron not want Melo? Does Melo not care about winning? Does Melo just want to stick it to Phil now that he has control of the situation?

Outside of Cleveland and probably LAC where Melo could definitely and probably (the latter) compete for a title, I could think of a bunch of other destinations where if I'm Carmelo I feel I'm much better off.

How about in Miami where he would be the man in South Beach on a roster that can compete in the East with Riley making decisions?

Milwaukee? That team is on the rise with his former teammate Kidd at the helm.

Boston, Washington, Houston, Utah if they lose Hayward. All of these places seem better than butting heads with Phil every day on a clearly rebuilding Knicks team.

1. NTC
2. He's not that valuable anymore, especially making close to 30M.
3. The Knicks have made it clear that they don't want him. Teams are smart to wait it out and see if they can get him for free.

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Knicks trade Melo Knicks get: Shumpert, Mudiay, 2018 or 2019 1st from Denver Cleveland trades: Love Cleveland gets: Melo and Faried Denver trades: Faried, Mudiay, 2018or 2019 1st Denver gets: Love

I'm in. I personally think Mudiay is a lost cause but it's a worthy gamble. Shumpert likely has some sort of trade value (a defensive wing) and apparently there were teams "hot" for Mudiay leading up to the draft (including Phoenix) so clearly there are some who think he can be salvaged. I'm really shocked how poor Mudiay has been defensively. His shot may be broken and that's not "shocking" but you'd think a guy that big and that athletic would be at least solid defensively.

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Says if we agree to a buy out we will have to stretch his remaining $54 million on the cap over 5 years. My question is why? Can we just agree to a buyout to avoid that, I thought stretch is to just basically get rid of a guy that won't be on team anymore without player consent. I'm assuming Melo and Knicks would have a mutually agreed upon buyout? If this is the case I am beyond against a buyout because he will opt after this year anyway so it won't hurt the cap going forward. I would just tell him we are in rebuild mode and he will get limited minutes. Although it would probably damage Phil and the Knicks image even worse if they started playing melo 10 mins a night

I'm not positive, but I think it's because the Knicks are over the cap. Buying out 2 years of Melo's contract now puts them even farther over the cap this coming season. I think that's against the rules. So they have to stretch to buyout his contract.

but isn't it better than sitting through another year of this Phil/Melo stuff and further alienating KP? Our team minus Melo really sucks, which is a good thing because (A) it helps our draft status, and (B) it allows KP, Willy, Franky, Dotson, Kuz, Baker and whatever other young guys stick (Hayes? Artes?) to build this team's identify as a scrappy, competitive group that gets after it every night.

Can you imagine how dysfunctional this will be if Melo, KP, Hornacek, Rambis and Phil are ALL still around? It'll be last season X1000 with KP's exit interview/trade rumors and Melo most likely vetoing a trade or two (or 10) this summer. I'm kinda tired of the circus.

but at this point just do it, it would be such a relief on this franchise and they could move on with building around kp...

all the drama still centers on phil and melo, time to get rid of melo and just let this franchose breathe

I don't see the benefit to doing anything right now. Might as well see if a team shows interest. Clearly Cle is interested and clearly Denver wants Love. Try to work something out there. Maybe when things clear up in LA, the clippers will show some interest. Who knows, but there is no benefit to waiving him now.

but he needs to be gone by training camp.

if you can't trade him keep him and utilize him in a super sub or 6th man role. He can and will still log big minutes and score a ton of points.

Melo is a good player still. He has a place in the NBA. The Knicks don't have to cut the guy...that's counterproductive unless you believe he's a toxic piece of shit cancer. I don't. Coach the fucking team to its strengths and get everyone on the same page. What a novelty.

This is the PG they drafted at 58. He's 6'4 and a little shy of 200. I found some clips of him this weekend. Kid is a relentless, emotionally invested player on both ends. Shooting is just okay. Everything else was pretty impressive especially athleticism in transition and defensive ability.

He was asked about it by a reporter after game 82 last season, and laughed at the idea of it. Remember his reaction to the SLAM Magazine player rankings last year? He views himself as a top 10 player still, and top 10 players don't come off the bench. And it's not like he's blocking a young SF on our roster. Who starts? N'Dour? Lance? The good news is he'll likely waive the no-trade in a second if we tried to force that role on him.

We've been wanting him to play defense since being a Knick and he hasn't done that, so.....

If he doesn't accept his bench role, he can accept a trade elsewhere. Its not up to him what role he has on this team.

I would make it very clear publicly that we will not buy Melo out. It does nothing to help the Knicks. I'd rather pay him to not play than buy him out and let him go where he wants.

but you'll have a divided locker room and a rabid NY media fanning the flames every day for months. And the team won't be good enough keep the focus on basketball.

According to ESPN's Marc Stein, Minnesota "remains intent" on trading Ricky Rubio.

Stein adds that the one of the reasons why Rubio could be on the move is the Wolves are looking for more shooting. This report contradicts Wolves GM Scott Layden's comments this week, as Layden said the team was "planning" on keeping Rubio and gushed about his strong finish to the 2016-17 season. With Kris Dunn in Chicago, whoever the Wolves bring back in a deal for Rubio would immediately step into a large role in Minnesota. For now, it doesn't sound like a deal is in the works yet. Rubio has two years and $29 million left on his deal, so the Wolves won't give him away for cheap

don't see any way the Knicks release Melo. My understanding is that if they release him essentially his player option for next year kicks in so we owe him the money for both this year and next year. I really think Phil is working to make Melo as miserable as possible so that (1) he waves his no trade clause or (2) he declines his player option at the end of the season and just walks away. The Knicks aren't going to pay out 53 million dollars for Melo to go run to the Cavs and compete for a championship. Even if the Knicks come to buyout terms that pays Melo less than 53 mil, that number will still count on the cap for this year and next. Add in the fact that Melo held the Knicks ransom (could have just said he was going to sign post season instead of forcing his way to a mid season trade), no way I let him walk to where he wants to be and pay him 53 mil just to do so.

Rubio would be a great mentor/leader for KP, Willie H, Frank N. Plus, he is not yet 27.
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RR trade would be dependent on Minny signing Lowry, Hill etc.

he finished so strong last year. He could easily be a late bloomer type. Plus him and Frank can easily share the backcourt.

Lee seems like a Thibs-type of veteran, too.

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Lee seems like a Thibs-type of veteran, too.

thibs tried signing lee but lee chose the knicks, trading for lee probably would mean butler plays the point...

think the Knicks want to give up Lee.

Knicks trade: Melo
Knicks get: Rubio

Cle trades: Love, Shumpert
Cle gets: Melo and Faried

Denver trades: Wilson Chandler, Faried, Mudiay
Denver gets: Love, Shumpert

Minnesota trades: Rubio
Minnesota gets: Wilson Chandler, Mudiay

Who says no to that? Other than Melo because he's a PIA.

I think Lee is a solid 2-way player on a reasonable deal but this creates a big hole for the Wolves at PG. Not to mention, the Wolves don't have a single meaningful player older than 27 so does a 31-year-old SG really fit in with the rest of the team? One thing in the Knicks favor with regard to Lee in general is that there's not much available in terms of shooting guards this summer.

Pick or something that doesn't add money to the cap. If they are able to get his contract off the books it would put them in play to add a max player. I don't know how easy it will be to attract top free agents there, but you would think the prospect of playing with Butler, Towns, Wiggins would have some appeal. If they are looking to add shooting maybe it would allow them to get in on Lowry or some of the bigs that can shoot like Milsap or Ibaka for example.

only works for Minny if they can sign one of the many FA PGs next week

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only works for Minny if they can sign one of the many FA PGs next week

Yeah, Minny needs a better shooter than Rubio at that spot. Butler and Wiggins are slashers and need some floor spacers. Nobody's confusing George Hill with Steph Curry but he might be a better fit.

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I think Lee is a solid 2-way player on a reasonable deal but this creates a big hole for the Wolves at PG. Not to mention, the Wolves don't have a single meaningful player older than 27 so does a 31-year-old SG really fit in with the rest of the team? One thing in the Knicks favor with regard to Lee in general is that there's not much available in terms of shooting guards this summer.

butler has always said he is a point guard, you could get away with playing him at point...

unless the knicks dont trade lee and trade a 2nd round pick or something for rubio and absorb his contract into their space...

or koq for rubio, they save 8 million

use our capspace to absorb rubio's salary. Would be a better move then whatever we spend it on.

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use our capspace to absorb rubio's salary. Would be a better move then whatever we spend it on.

my guess is that would only happen if they get a free agent point

he'd score 30 every night and the Knicks would win. Instead, he weaves in and out of the perimeter, looking for a pass from another member of Jackson's triangle. The 'T' is a waste of KP's talent.

In comment 13511642 GeofromNJ said:

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he'd score 30 every night and the Knicks would win. Instead, he weaves in and out of the perimeter, looking for a pass from another member of Jackson's triangle. The 'T' is a waste of KP's talent.

Don't fret, Rambis is working feverishly to turn a revolutionary talent at center into a mediocre low post player. What could possibly go wrong? Remember: Three-pointers are "cheap."

is a solid athlete but short wingspan relative to his height (shorter than Monk's for example). He moved to the 2 guard this season so it's not clear where the Knicks see him playing (he's expected to be stashed). He's missing some pretty key ingredients projecting him to be even a major contributor at the next level but you never know?

Time for he and Phil to retire.

We trade Lee for Rubio

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shit on KP
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Buy him out??? No. Tell him he is going to play coming off the bench. Cut his game time and let him watch. See if he will agree to a trade then.

tried to talk a little X's and O's. Raissman's on SNY quite a bit and is a blubbering idiot.

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Often the question is asked, why is the 7'3 floor spacer who is still physically developing (as expected) not standing 3 feet from the basket?

I worry that this and the Rosen column are Phil planting stories for Dolan to read. See, it's not just Phil -- the media agrees, KP spoke back to master and has got to go!

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but you'll have a divided locker room and a rabid NY media fanning the flames every day for months. And the team won't be good enough keep the focus on basketball.

I'm sorry but this is bullshit. You're telling me the media "frenzy" would prevent the Knicks from practicing or playing as well as they can? The media takes itself way too seriously because of comments just like this.

Coach the fucking team. Fuck the media.

Spreewell and Houston couldn't co-exist together because they played the same position. Starks wasn't going to flourish coming off the bench. The locker room was going to explode because the Knicks traded Oakley for Camby. Mason for LJ. Remember those gems? All of them...BULLSHIT.

Coughlin couldn't bring in FAs. That was fun too. Or how about the Tiki Strahan feud obliterating the Giants locker room and playoff chances before the season began? 10 wins later and a playoff berth later....

This team needs a fucking leader with balls. Coach the team for fuck's sake.

In comment 13511550 bceagle05 said:
[quote] He was asked about it by a reporter after game 82 last season, and laughed at the idea of it. Remember his reaction to the SLAM Magazine player rankings last year? He views himself as a top 10 player still, and top 10 players don't come off the bench. And it's not like he's blocking a young SF on our roster. Who starts? N'Dour? Lance? The good news is he'll likely waive the no-trade in a second if we tried to force that role on him. [/quote

Ok fine. Then he can rot on the bench. What's Melo going to do? Quit? Go ahead...please....please quit.

Melo is done dictating things here. He's got one ace in the hole left and that's the NTC. That's all he has. You want to wait out Phil there Melo? You want to exercise your last power play and insist on staying here with the Knicks? Fine, no problem. You're the 6th man. Don't like it? Bitch on twitter. Tough fucking shit.

you tell him that he needs to do X, Y, and Z when out there. Move the ball, triangley shit, and D up consistently. When he doesnt do it, you bench him a quarter. Then the start the half. Then you bench him to start a game.

You dont have to go from zero to 60 on this. You can also tell him that this will be the drill right now, and maybe he buckles on the NTC.

until he finally agrees to a trade. I've been advocating that for about two years now. Take his playing time - he'll cave. If that's the plan, I'm on board. Benching him for Lance Thomas or Maurice N'Dour, however, is a tough sell, especially when your head coach knows his predecessor got fired a year and a half into his tenure. Hornacek needs wins, unless Phil tells him we're blowing it up and your job is secure.

I don't care so much about the fans and media, I care about coaches and front office members trying to keep their jobs. Hornacek is not benching Melo for N'Dour, Kuz or Lance, nor would he bench Rose for Baker or an 18-year-old rookie from France. Both need to be wearing different uniforms as soon as possible.

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1. NTC 2. He's not that valuable anymore, especially making close to 30M. 3. The Knicks have made it clear that they don't want him. Teams are smart to wait it out and see if they can get him for free.

I think its the NTC mostly. The teams that he'll go to, CLE and LAC (supposedly) dont have any decent future assets. They have no interesting young players. More importantly, the contracts they have to offer back are either core pieces or terrible. Generally teams in these situations trade futures and expirings for a vet; not vet for vet.

about a pivot or sorts and dealing Melo to Cleveland for smaller deals like Frye/Shumpert and 1-2 picks and then auctioning off those players? I'm not saying Frye or Shumpert have primo value but maybe a team like SA gives up a guy like Kyle Anderson for him? Shump is pretty garbage but maybe a team that misses out/doesn't want to pay for a Justin Holiday gives you a 2nd or something quasi decent for him. Shumpert has 1 year + a player option and while he stinks I assume he likely finds a multi-year deal if he opts out.

I want him to be a big part of this team. There is plenty of room for KP's growth and Melo's impact on this team. But the whole coaching, leadership and discipline thing comes into play. Too bad the knicks have none of it.

Melo can still log tons of minutes. Take millions of shots and score a shit load of points. He can still take the last shot if needed. And you can still transition the team over to KP and taylor things in that direction.

This team is just pathetic if they cut Melo. It would be as dumb and senseless a move as any in their history. The guy isn't dead or lame. Melo is a legit 20 PPG player that can rebound. WTF...I just shake my head.

I don't think you can trust him to sit on the bench and behave.

Mudiay and a pick would be good enough for me,he's flashed enough that it would be a decent gamble.

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about a pivot or sorts and dealing Melo to Cleveland for smaller deals like Frye/Shumpert and 1-2 picks and then auctioning off those players? I'm not saying Frye or Shumpert have primo value but maybe a team like SA gives up a guy like Kyle Anderson for him? Shump is pretty garbage but maybe a team that misses out/doesn't want to pay for a Justin Holiday gives you a 2nd or something quasi decent for him. Shumpert has 1 year + a player option and while he stinks I assume he likely finds a multi-year deal if he opts out.

I think this makes some sense. But for those trying to add in Melo to the Cavs pursuit of Paul George? It's not happening.

Teams know the situation- they aren't dumb. They can easily wait on a buyout. And for those suggesting using Melo as a 6th man or just outright benching him? No chance in hell on this Knicks team. You guys are underestimating how powerful and connected Carmelo is around the nba. He's got more friends and power than Phil Jackson.

You want to wait until after free agency to see if a team like Miami would bite or the Clippers or Cavs give up some future draft picks? That's fine. But you can't start next season with Carmelo if you really want to rebuild. Send a message that it's KPs time and they are going with a youth movement. Having Melo gives them another 5-10 wins that take you from a top 3 pick to a 8-10 pick. Some magical package of young players and picks isn't going to appear.

There's also going to be a "tanking vacuum" this year. Knicks should take advantage and get a top 3 pick. But knowing Phil, he'll be signing vets for a shot at the playoffs.

Why would they at this point? I could see Philly, LA, Phoenix, Sacramento and Minny (obviously) all jumping over us in the standings. Orlando will probably suck again, as will Brooklyn. Chicago may enter the fray. We're in prime tanking position, no doubt.

fairness to Phil/Melo

1. Phil telling Melo there will be no buyout is an unnecessarily aggressive move when there is no indication Melo is actually pushing for one

2. Coming out and saying it almost legitimizes the idea of doing so, by not speaking about it it's almost like saying "cmon, that's ridiculous".

If Melo begins pushing for one I could see Phil stomping that down publicly and behind closed doors but right now it seems unnecessary. Phil knows the market for Melo better than we do. He knows if moving him is realistic or not. Either there is an outline of a market for him (possibly predicated on PG13 etc) or there isn't and Phil has to prepare to go into the season with Melo.

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Why would they at this point? I could see Philly, LA, Phoenix, Sacramento and Minny (obviously) all jumping over us in the standings. Orlando will probably suck again, as will Brooklyn. Chicago may enter the fray. We're in prime tanking position, no doubt.

On paper Orlando has a lot more talent than the Knicks and I don't think it's particularly close (save me the "I'd take KP over anyone on their roster" because that's not my point"

Fournier
Gordon
Vucevic
Payton
Isaac
Ross
Biyombo
Meeks

I know they were awful last year but I would still bet on them winning more games than the Knicks

Hell, I wouldn't rule out the Nets until we see how July pans out. They have legit interest in Reddick, who has a place in Brooklyn. Maybe they snag an RFA they like this time around, too.

swirling the Wolves think they have a legit shot at Lowry.

getting rubio for scraps that MINN has the capspace is the kind of move ive wanted the knicks to use capspace on. LIke all those trades we made and gave away assets so that we can sign whoever. And if your MINN, giving rubio up for nothing so that you can sign lowry is still a good move.

so I guess Minny's a legit option for any FA PG now, once the dust settles on Chris Paul.

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so I guess Minny's a legit option for any FA PG now, once the dust settles on Chris Paul.

I suppose that's why Minn is telling everyone that Rubio is available. They want FA PGs to know there is an opening there.

know that they beat the Warriors but that's potentially a very, very interesting team with Lowry.

Lowry
Wiggins
Butler
KAT
Dieng

it would be rubio into knicks cap space..

rubio lee melo kp willy....championship

i hope Ndour and plumlee dont eat up a lot of minutes, i have no interest in seeing them.

assuming there's an actual camera crew this year. Last year it was like watching a high school game, and Crispino and Walt were broadcasting from the MSG studios.

Obviously looking forward to the three draft picks, but also Artis. His age hurt him on draft night, but he looks like a player. Hopefully he and Dotson develop so we don't have to overpay the Justin Holidays and Lance Thomas's of the world anymore.

In comment 13511813 bceagle05 said:

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so I guess Minny's a legit option for any FA PG now, once the dust settles on Chris Paul.

Even if they can't pull Lowry, George Hill would be a great fit for what they need. He is an efficient scorer, good shooter and is a plus player on the defensive end. He's shown throughout his career that he's fine playing off the ball and would be a great compliment to the young core they have.

Official Roster

26 Jamel Artis F 6-7 213 Jan. 13, 1993 Pittsburgh/USA Pittsburgh/NCAA R
30 Canyon Barry G 6-6 215 Jan. 7, 1994 Florida/USA Florida/NCAA R
21 Damyean Dotson G 6-6 205 May 6, 1994 Houston/USA Houston/NCAA R
20 Nigel Hayes F 6-8 254 Dec. 6, 1994 Wisconsin/USA Wisconsin/USA R
23 Ognjen Jaramaz G 6-4 181 Sep. 1, 1995 Serbia Mega Leks/Serbia R
16 Dominique Jones G 6-4 215 Oct. 15, 1988 South Florida/USA Adad/Iran 3
3 Luke Kornet F 7-1 250 Jul. 15, 1995 Vanderbilt/USA Vanderbilt/NCAA R
35 Louis Labeyrie F 6-10 200 Feb. 11, 1992 France Paris Levallois/France R
2 Maurice Ndour F 6-9 200 Jun. 18, 1992 Ohio/Senegal New York/NBA 1
17 Frank Ntilikina G 6-5 190 Jul. 28, 1998 France Strasbourg/France R
40 Marshall Plumlee C 7-0 250 Jul. 14, 1992 Duke/USA New York/NBA 1
4 Chasson Randle G 6-2 185 Feb. 5, 1993 Stanford/USA New York/NBA 1
1 Xavier Rathan-Mayes G 6-4 208 Apr. 29, 1994 Florida State/USA Florida

the favorites for Teodosic, guess they expect Hill to bounce

It'd be a shame if Hayward bolts.

is running the Jazz is doing an excellent job.

Claims Melo was open to the Sixers and Wizards but no longer is

In comment 13512081 DanMetroMan said:

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Claims Melo was open to the Sixers and Wizards but no longer is

Wonder why. Sixers have only gotten stronger.

the Sixers want him. The Wiz have always been a very logical destination.

Hometown team, desperately need a 2nd/3rd scorer depending on how you feel about Beal.

Have the contracts to get it done, too.

In comment 13512084 Anakim said:

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In comment 13512081 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Claims Melo was open to the Sixers and Wizards but no longer is Wonder why. Sixers have only gotten stronger.

The implication was he doesn't want to be traded anymore

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Awkward

And Lavar is certifiably batshit crazy

I like awkward stuff like that. Lavar is GOAT status awkward.

I would not be shocked if Lavar went on a killing rampage one day

LaMelo Ball just said on national TV "beat that ni**a ass"

was such a bad idea. We know that Melo was taking the money so why did we have to offer that. I mean if he really doesnt want to be traded there is nothing we can do about it other then buy him out which i really hate. And shit if he really doesnt want to leave then the chances he opts out after this season might be 50/50 at best. If that is really the case then Phil/Hornacek really need to work together with him to adjust his game. I know its not likely, but if we are stuck with him then they might as well try.

they now have 17 million in cap room...

rubio, aldrich, bjelica for lee and thomas saves them another 4 million..