NFT: Knicks CHat 6/26: The OTHER Frenchy may be a Knick in 18

if phil resign rose say 2 years 24 million, amd then rrleased melo so he still had cap space them gave 15 million to tucker?

aside from the melo situation. On one hand, it would be terrible if he was back with this team, but on the other hand, do we really want to buy him out and let him go to a contender?? I think Phil needs to announce that there won't be a buy out.

We also need George to get moved elsewhere so we can use Denver to take love and send Melo to Cleveland.

In comment 13511378 nygiants16 said:

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if phil resign rose say 2 years 24 million, amd then rrleased melo so he still had cap space them gave 15 million to tucker?

I'd rather have rose than Melo, but right now I'd rather have neither.

the knicks does shocks me, but i really cant see why anyone in the FO would think bringing back Rose is a good idea. You just drafted your PG of the future and said you want him to play 25+ minutes a game. Why then go and bring back Rose.

In comment 13511381 Italianju said:

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the knicks does shocks me, but i really cant see why anyone in the FO would think bringing back Rose is a good idea. You just drafted your PG of the future and said you want him to play 25+ minutes a game. Why then go and bring back Rose.

reading the tea leaves and goong by what phil said, he would play rose at the 2 and let him just be the slasher scorer...

then have a lead guard who initiates the offense, you could start frank and rose together but i agree why even bother at this point?

phil already said frank will get 28 mins a might at least he hopes...

Says if we agree to a buy out we will have to stretch his remaining $54 million on the cap over 5 years. My question is why? Can we just agree to a buyout to avoid that, I thought stretch is to just basically get rid of a guy that won't be on team anymore without player consent. I'm assuming Melo and Knicks would have a mutually agreed upon buyout?

If this is the case I am beyond against a buyout because he will opt after this year anyway so it won't hurt the cap going forward. I would just tell him we are in rebuild mode and he will get limited minutes. Although it would probably damage Phil and the Knicks image even worse if they started playing melo 10 mins a night

on melo, but doing it would give us much more capspace this year. But who cares about that. Using the stretch would be the worst possible option. I mean who are we signing with that extra money? If they buy him out you might as well bite the bullet this year and be done with it.

Knicks trade: Melo and KOQ
Knicks get: Faried, Jameer Nelson, Mudiay, Richard Jefferson

Cleveland trades: Love, Jefferson
Cleveland gets: Melo, KOQ

Denver trades: Faried, Nelson, Mudiay
Denver gets: Love

Cleveland may have to get a pick from Denver to sweeten the pot.

Not ideal for Knicks as Faried has 3 years remaining, but all of those guys should be movable at the deadline.

but i dont know if its worth trading melo/KOQ for basically the upside of Mudiay. Especially when we just drafted a PG. If you could swap Juancho or one of DEN's SG's (Barton/Harris) id love it, but of course then DEN prolly wont do it.

id rather just keep Love and see if we can do better then that during the season.

is of no use to this team (at any price). Matter of fact he has negative value as it relates to the young players.

unless he improved drastically, is a really skill-less player. Terrible.

of trading Melo and getting any of Denver's young assets, we need the PG trade talks to stall or maybe have LAL re-insert themselves to acquire PG now instead of later

market is until Hayward signs and the PG13 situation plays out. After that is when the knicks might be able to get some trade talk going.

always impressed me as a bench wing

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unless he improved drastically, is a really skill-less player. Terrible.

He had a decent season (in the same league as Frank) but yeah his last summer league showing was embarrassing. No downside to giving him a look though. I like Kornet a bit more in a similar stretch big role.

In comment 13511378 nygiants16 said:

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if phil resign rose say 2 years 24 million, amd then rrleased melo so he still had cap space them gave 15 million to tucker?

I fail to see why Rose would sign a 2 year deal at that rate. He both locks himself in to a "below market" rate for a player with his resume and counting numbers and stops him from capitalizing if he has a big year. If I'm Rose I either want a huge 1 year number or as many years as I can get. I don't want Rose back at any price but I have to believe there is a 3 year deal out there for him if he wants it). I think a Rose/Frank backcourt would be disastrous personally. Rose doesn't look to get others involved and Frank is passive (at this early stage of his career, his own coach who absolutely RAVED about him said this was one part of his game he needs to improve upon if he's going to be great). Passive PG with selfish 2 sounds like a recipe for a really bad outcome.

But he's not a good 3pt shooter and he never improved after his impressive freshman year.

I don't think Jackson has any intention of resigning Rose unless it's a pennies on the dollar deal. Remember PJ is a former Jackson player and I think Jackson is just helping PJ drum up a market for Rose.

I also think the last thing the Knicks should do is buy out Melo. Jackson needs to make it clear he is going with youth, focusing on a 2-3 year rebuild and if Melo wants to spend the next year or two as a mentor/vet presence on a rebuilding team, that's fine. But he should also tell Melo that they plan on getting real minutes for the young guys so his minutes will be fewer than he is accustomed.

Let's see then if Melo sticks to his no trade. If he does, at least expectations are set.

is entering Marbury territory. I am referring to several years ago where Marbury's a) ego b) salary demands c) style of play made it difficult to find an NBA team fit with an projected outcome that would be good for player/team.

In comment 13511408 Greg from LI said:

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But he's not a good 3pt shooter and he never improved after his impressive freshman year.

53% from the line is pretty tough to pull off for a 6'4 player lol

Rose bashing aside I think he should go to a contender as a scorer off the bench. Cavs, Boston etc. He might be able to carve out a "second career" in this role.

But I didn't realize he was that bad. 53%??

In comment 13511416 Greg from LI said:

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But I didn't realize he was that bad. 53%??

For his career better than that but this past season 53%, he should work with Canyon Barry aka shoots them underhanded. They should have Barry work with Noah.

(despite being the coach) got into the debut "Big3" game last night, pretty cool
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“There just wasn’t a center available,” said Thorn. “What can you do?”

Counting your blessings doesn’t seem inappropriate.

“He’s only 6-5,” said Thorn, who must use a different yardstick than Dean Smith, the Carolina coach. Down where the tobacco grows, Jordan has always been 6-6, not that one inch ever stopped Jordan from crashing the boards, hitting from the outside or playing substantially above sea level. By the time he gets to Chicago, or when negotiations for his wages get sticky, Jordan may be the size of a jockey. The Bulls aren't even sure where to play Jordan. "Big guard, small forward," said coach Kevin Loughery. Decisions, decisions.

"When you win only 55 games in two years," said Thorn, "you don't get well all at once. Look, when Isiah Thomas went to Detroit, he improved them but it took two years to make the playoffs.We’ve taken a step in the right direction. Jordan isn't going to turn this franchise around. I wouldn't ask him to. I wouldn't put that kind of pressure on him."


“He’s a very good offensive player,” said Thorn. “But not an overpowering offensive player.”

In comment 13511387 Keith said:

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Knicks trade: Melo and KOQ Knicks get: Faried, Jameer Nelson, Mudiay, Richard Jefferson Cleveland trades: Love, Jefferson Cleveland gets: Melo, KOQ Denver trades: Faried, Nelson, Mudiay Denver gets: Love Cleveland may have to get a pick from Denver to sweeten the pot. Not ideal for Knicks as Faried has 3 years remaining, but all of those guys should be movable at the deadline.

LeGM won't trade Rich Jeff :)

known fact, I know 2 different girls who dated Richard Jefferson, really like changing information right there I know..

In comment 13511440 DanMetroMan said:

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known fact, I know 2 different girls who dated Richard Jefferson, really like changing information right there I know..

Over many years, Dan, you've been BBI's go-to source for unsolicited information about players' sex lives.

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In comment 13511440 DanMetroMan said: Quote: known fact, I know 2 different girls who dated Richard Jefferson, really like changing information right there I know.. Over many years, Dan, you've been BBI's go-to source for unsolicited information about players' sex lives.

and David Lee smoking weed, don't forget this part.

trying to understand how the Cavs would land PG13 AND Faried.. okay they give up Love.. and? Presumably the Nuggets would be paying the freight on PG13 but why? I know Love is better than Faried but Faried is an above average player. Seems like every deal is "pro Cavs"

According to Joe Vardon of Cleveland.com, a three-team trade that would send Paul George to Cleveland and Kevin Love to Denver is "very unlikely" to happen.

Vardon confirmed an ESPN report that the talks took place, but it sounds like they didn't get very far. The Cavaliers initiated the trade talks, but the Pacers weren't interested in what the Nuggets had to offer -- Kenneth Faried, Wilson Chandler and Emmanuel Mudiay were all mentioned in ESPN's report on Sunday, but the Pacers were probably hoping for a better young prospect and a draft pick(s). George's value on the trade market is declining by the day, so Indiana will be motivated to find him a new home sooner rather than later.

pulling a Pau and apparently plans on opting out to help the Mavs and then signing a new 2 year deal.

Knicks trade Melo
Knicks get: Shumpert, Mudiay, 2018 or 2019 1st from Denver

Cleveland trades: Love
Cleveland gets: Melo and Faried

Denver trades: Faried, Mudiay, 2018or 2019 1st
Denver gets: Love

it is seemingly so hard to find a trade partner for Melo?

Is it Melo? His salary/no trade clause? His reputation?

I thought LeBron and Melo are best friends? Just about every big time player in the NBA now talks about joining forces with other stars. Does LeBron not want Melo? Does Melo not care about winning? Does Melo just want to stick it to Phil now that he has control of the situation?

Outside of Cleveland and probably LAC where Melo could definitely and probably (the latter) compete for a title, I could think of a bunch of other destinations where if I'm Carmelo I feel I'm much better off.

How about in Miami where he would be the man in South Beach on a roster that can compete in the East with Riley making decisions?

Milwaukee? That team is on the rise with his former teammate Kidd at the helm.

Boston, Washington, Houston, Utah if they lose Hayward. All of these places seem better than butting heads with Phil every day on a clearly rebuilding Knicks team.

1. NTC
2. He's not that valuable anymore, especially making close to 30M.
3. The Knicks have made it clear that they don't want him. Teams are smart to wait it out and see if they can get him for free.

In comment 13511491 Keith said:

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Knicks trade Melo Knicks get: Shumpert, Mudiay, 2018 or 2019 1st from Denver Cleveland trades: Love Cleveland gets: Melo and Faried Denver trades: Faried, Mudiay, 2018or 2019 1st Denver gets: Love

I'm in. I personally think Mudiay is a lost cause but it's a worthy gamble. Shumpert likely has some sort of trade value (a defensive wing) and apparently there were teams "hot" for Mudiay leading up to the draft (including Phoenix) so clearly there are some who think he can be salvaged. I'm really shocked how poor Mudiay has been defensively. His shot may be broken and that's not "shocking" but you'd think a guy that big and that athletic would be at least solid defensively.

In comment 13511384 GMEN46 said:

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Says if we agree to a buy out we will have to stretch his remaining $54 million on the cap over 5 years. My question is why? Can we just agree to a buyout to avoid that, I thought stretch is to just basically get rid of a guy that won't be on team anymore without player consent. I'm assuming Melo and Knicks would have a mutually agreed upon buyout? If this is the case I am beyond against a buyout because he will opt after this year anyway so it won't hurt the cap going forward. I would just tell him we are in rebuild mode and he will get limited minutes. Although it would probably damage Phil and the Knicks image even worse if they started playing melo 10 mins a night

I'm not positive, but I think it's because the Knicks are over the cap. Buying out 2 years of Melo's contract now puts them even farther over the cap this coming season. I think that's against the rules. So they have to stretch to buyout his contract.

but isn't it better than sitting through another year of this Phil/Melo stuff and further alienating KP? Our team minus Melo really sucks, which is a good thing because (A) it helps our draft status, and (B) it allows KP, Willy, Franky, Dotson, Kuz, Baker and whatever other young guys stick (Hayes? Artes?) to build this team's identify as a scrappy, competitive group that gets after it every night.

Can you imagine how dysfunctional this will be if Melo, KP, Hornacek, Rambis and Phil are ALL still around? It'll be last season X1000 with KP's exit interview/trade rumors and Melo most likely vetoing a trade or two (or 10) this summer. I'm kinda tired of the circus.

but at this point just do it, it would be such a relief on this franchise and they could move on with building around kp...

all the drama still centers on phil and melo, time to get rid of melo and just let this franchose breathe

I don't see the benefit to doing anything right now. Might as well see if a team shows interest. Clearly Cle is interested and clearly Denver wants Love. Try to work something out there. Maybe when things clear up in LA, the clippers will show some interest. Who knows, but there is no benefit to waiving him now.

but he needs to be gone by training camp.

if you can't trade him keep him and utilize him in a super sub or 6th man role. He can and will still log big minutes and score a ton of points.

Melo is a good player still. He has a place in the NBA. The Knicks don't have to cut the guy...that's counterproductive unless you believe he's a toxic piece of shit cancer. I don't. Coach the fucking team to its strengths and get everyone on the same page. What a novelty.

This is the PG they drafted at 58. He's 6'4 and a little shy of 200. I found some clips of him this weekend. Kid is a relentless, emotionally invested player on both ends. Shooting is just okay. Everything else was pretty impressive especially athleticism in transition and defensive ability.

He was asked about it by a reporter after game 82 last season, and laughed at the idea of it. Remember his reaction to the SLAM Magazine player rankings last year? He views himself as a top 10 player still, and top 10 players don't come off the bench. And it's not like he's blocking a young SF on our roster. Who starts? N'Dour? Lance? The good news is he'll likely waive the no-trade in a second if we tried to force that role on him.

We've been wanting him to play defense since being a Knick and he hasn't done that, so.....

If he doesn't accept his bench role, he can accept a trade elsewhere. Its not up to him what role he has on this team.

I would make it very clear publicly that we will not buy Melo out. It does nothing to help the Knicks. I'd rather pay him to not play than buy him out and let him go where he wants.

but you'll have a divided locker room and a rabid NY media fanning the flames every day for months. And the team won't be good enough keep the focus on basketball.

According to ESPN's Marc Stein, Minnesota "remains intent" on trading Ricky Rubio.

Stein adds that the one of the reasons why Rubio could be on the move is the Wolves are looking for more shooting. This report contradicts Wolves GM Scott Layden's comments this week, as Layden said the team was "planning" on keeping Rubio and gushed about his strong finish to the 2016-17 season. With Kris Dunn in Chicago, whoever the Wolves bring back in a deal for Rubio would immediately step into a large role in Minnesota. For now, it doesn't sound like a deal is in the works yet. Rubio has two years and $29 million left on his deal, so the Wolves won't give him away for cheap

don't see any way the Knicks release Melo. My understanding is that if they release him essentially his player option for next year kicks in so we owe him the money for both this year and next year. I really think Phil is working to make Melo as miserable as possible so that (1) he waves his no trade clause or (2) he declines his player option at the end of the season and just walks away. The Knicks aren't going to pay out 53 million dollars for Melo to go run to the Cavs and compete for a championship. Even if the Knicks come to buyout terms that pays Melo less than 53 mil, that number will still count on the cap for this year and next. Add in the fact that Melo held the Knicks ransom (could have just said he was going to sign post season instead of forcing his way to a mid season trade), no way I let him walk to where he wants to be and pay him 53 mil just to do so.