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Moore lists the following players as fits for the Knicks

Mills, Mack, Holiday x2, Waiters, Gallo, Bogdanovic, Pau, Rose, Muhammad
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In comment 13512719 DanMetroMan said:

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would obviously take Rubio over Rose, I'd take Sergio Rodriguez over Rose, I'd take MCW (fully acknowledging he's an embarrassingly bad shooter), I'd take Livingston or Mills for 1-2 years over Rose but both will get more, I'd take Collison (since he would only need 1 season), Shelvin Mack

I would almost any other PG in the league over Rose. Just from a fans entertainment perspective, I really didn't like watching him play for the Knicks. And just reading the tea leaves from KPs comments, you can tell he didn't like playing with him.

I think because of his enormous cap hold (30 mill) we will know pretty quickly if he's resigning or not. They have zero cap space with his hold in place.

Obliterated Melo's trade value, he is an A1 asshole, I am not saying that Melo is the greatest, but his trade value was killed last season as asshole ego maniac who was the one that should have got all the heat for the horrible moves he made to kill any chance for this team to be competitive in the near future, then he tries to put all the blame on a coach who can't get the team to play his system and a star player who can't help turn chicken shit into chicken salad. I feel bad for current Knick fans. They have become the laughing stock of the NBA under the great Phil Jackson. He had an opportunity to ass assets with a Melo trade, and he completely screwed that up with his antics last season.

LOL

the Knicks should be in complete overhaul mode. Get rid of the trash and bring in aging vets who can be overpaid to serve as mentors for how to play the game the right away and how to be professionals.

Right now, all of the young players are getting a warped view of professionalism because they play for such a joke of a franchise.

They have to start by getting rid of Jackson, he has become a cancer and lost all the respect of his best young player with his antics. That is why he didn't go to his royal highnesses exit interview.

Dolan sells, that is the way this will truly get taken care of.

1. The whole fucking league knows what he is. Not a #1 scorer anymore, but a guy who could absolutely be your #2 or #3 scorer. Will probably get more efficient. Needs to be protected defensively; some hope that on a better team/playoffs the commit will improve.

2. Knicks desperation to trade Melo is over blown. Every shitty rebuilding team looks to to trade its over-30 talent.

3. What is hurting our ability to trade Melo moreso than anything Phil has done it his unwillingness to be traded, and his salary, and the fact that so many competitors are totally cashed out of futures they can give after years of contending.

his career without a title.

I think that kind of crystallized the mixed feelings about Melo from GMs around the league.

In comment 13512750 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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his career without a title. I think that kind of crystallized the mixed feelings about Melo from GMs around the league.

I think that's wild speculation.

Melo hasnt been traded because Melo wont allow himself to be traded. Nothing more to see.

The Minnesota Timberwolves, San Antonio Spurs, LA Clippers, Philadelphia 76ers, Orlando Magic, Brooklyn Nets and Utah Jazz are among the teams interested in the 2015 NBA Finals MVP, sources tell ESPN.

are going to be a 3-4 seed this year aren't they?

In comment 13512760 DanMetroMan said:

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are going to be a 3-4 seed this year aren't they?

Melo should want to go to the Sixers. He could look like the hero playing with all this young talent and a PG(Fultz) which he and everyone claims he's never had
Philly is an hour away and he can still be close to his son

Trade
Melo for Justin Anderson and a couple of future draft picks
Sixers have plenty of cap space to make room

Also, why would they want to kick off this great young roster w/ somebody that plays the way Melo chooses to play (no "D", ISO "O"). I wouldn't poison the kids that way.

disagree

Cavs and Celtics are near locks to be to be the top 2 seeds barring major injuries but Lowry looks like he's out of Toronto so I think they will take a major, major step back. Bucks and Wizards would be the "next 2" and I think the Sixers with a few tweaks (Iggy or Redick etc) can absolutely be up there with those teams. They are LOADED with talent (yes with injury concerns) but Covington would be regarded as a young stud if we had him and he's not even mentioned when talking about the Sixers.

Fultz, Simmons, Embiid, Saric, Covington, Holmes, Okafor, Anderson, Bolden, McConnell,Luwawu-Cabarrot. Throw in a guy like Redick or Iggy... I'm very jealous.

In comment 13512759 DanMetroMan said:

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The Minnesota Timberwolves, San Antonio Spurs, LA Clippers, Philadelphia 76ers, Orlando Magic, Brooklyn Nets and Utah Jazz are among the teams interested in the 2015 NBA Finals MVP, sources tell ESPN.

He's going to get big money. Will the Warriors match any deal? Does Iggy take less to stay with GSW or join Philly/ Minny and get one last monster contract? Could really hurt the warriors.

brown refused to play 2 bigs together, said he didnt like the fit...saric is probably their 4...

need a vwt leader, iggy would be a good story going back to philly to help lead the young guys

In comment 13512781 nygiants16 said:

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brown refused to play 2 bigs together, said he didnt like the fit...saric is probably their 4... need a vwt leader, iggy would be a good story going back to philly to help lead the young guys

Sure and maybe the return isn't "awesome" on Okafor but they should get at least a solid rotation piece.

it's just not the normal development arc. Simmons is not going to dominate on both ends. Embiid has play 1 of 8 Sixers games since he was drafted, and is not currently healthy.

Amazing to me that the owner said an Embiid extension is a big priority this offseason. Either they're nuts or Embiid has given them a reasonable demand.

In comment 13512783 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13512781 nygiants16 said: Quote: brown refused to play 2 bigs together, said he didnt like the fit...saric is probably their 4... need a vwt leader, iggy would be a good story going back to philly to help lead the young guys Sure and maybe the return isn't "awesome" on Okafor but they should get at least a solid rotation piece.

they tried moving him last year and no one wanted him

love KP posting all of these workout videos/pictures. Kid is hungry, also funny he didn't bother posing with an "impressive" weight opting for small more realistic weights.

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3. What is hurting our ability to trade Melo moreso than anything Phil has done it his unwillingness to be traded, and his salary, and the fact that so many competitors are totally cashed out of futures they can give after years of contending.

Difficult fully to buy that take: Knicks are not at this pass if the gating issue of the NTC doesn't confer total leverage in Melo's hands. Without that it's a different look for player and team, a different calculus for Melo.

with a nice dunk
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In comment 13512791 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 13512783 DanMetroMan said: Quote: In comment 13512781 nygiants16 said: Quote: brown refused to play 2 bigs together, said he didnt like the fit...saric is probably their 4... need a vwt leader, iggy would be a good story going back to philly to help lead the young guys Sure and maybe the return isn't "awesome" on Okafor but they should get at least a solid rotation piece. they tried moving him last year and no one wanted him

We have no idea what the asking price was. Just because a player isn't traded does not mean "nobody" was interested. It just means the teams price wasn't met.

to see his GPs and news linked me to this 6/27 Philly Inquirer. It talks about how LeBron not getting the MVP was due to greatness fatigue:

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For the fourth year in a row James will suffer from Greatness Fatigue. The King is so good that the proletariat has grown weary. He is not the first victim, and he will not be the last. Michael Jordan suffered. So did Wilt. This is relevant in Philadelphia because, at some point, Joel Embiid should be in the same situation.... Anyone who saw Embiid play his 31 games this past season realizes he is something completely different. If he stays healthy (he has played just 31 games in three seasons), he could combine the strength of Shaq with the athleticism of Wilt, the shooting touch of Dirk and the defensive menace of Russell. If healthy, in two years The Process will have Karl-Anthony Townes and Anthony Davis chasing him as the league's best big man. In a decade, he will be legend.

WHAAAAAAAAAA?
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of Lebron (and maybe I shouldn't be surprised or this isn't unusual) but I learned he travels with a chef if he's going to be away for home for x amount of time. As much heat as the guy gets he's truly an incredible ambassador for the game and works his ass off. Lived up to the hype and then some.

In comment 13512797 Deej said:

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to see his GPs and news linked me to this 6/27 Philly Inquirer. It talks about how LeBron not getting the MVP was due to greatness fatigue: Quote: For the fourth year in a row James will suffer from Greatness Fatigue. The King is so good that the proletariat has grown weary. He is not the first victim, and he will not be the last. Michael Jordan suffered. So did Wilt. This is relevant in Philadelphia because, at some point, Joel Embiid should be in the same situation.... Anyone who saw Embiid play his 31 games this past season realizes he is something completely different. If he stays healthy (he has played just 31 games in three seasons), he could combine the strength of Shaq with the athleticism of Wilt, the shooting touch of Dirk and the defensive menace of Russell. If healthy, in two years The Process will have Karl-Anthony Townes and Anthony Davis chasing him as the league's best big man. In a decade, he will be legend. WHAAAAAAAAAA? Link - ( New Window )

I understand the potential with Embiid is great but man has the Sixer faithful gotten ahead of themselves. He hasn't played a healthy season of basketball going back to Kansas.

In comment 13512794 ColHowPepper said:

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Quote: 3. What is hurting our ability to trade Melo moreso than anything Phil has done it his unwillingness to be traded, and his salary, and the fact that so many competitors are totally cashed out of futures they can give after years of contending. Difficult fully to buy that take: Knicks are not at this pass if the gating issue of the NTC doesn't confer total leverage in Melo's hands. Without that it's a different look for player and team, a different calculus for Melo.

Ok right. I meant nothing Phil has done recently is what is hurting Melo's value. The NTC is obviously something Phil did.

"Jackson dead set against a buyout."

"A league source said one team to monitor is the Spurs, who are trying to unload an unhappy LaMarcus Aldridge and finding the trade market thin. However, it's unclear if Anthony would waive his no-trade clause to go to San Antonio, or anywhere, for that matter."

Could the spurs bring in CP3 and Melo?

In comment 13512801 TyreeHelmet said:

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In comment 13512797 Deej said: Quote: to see his GPs and news linked me to this 6/27 Philly Inquirer. It talks about how LeBron not getting the MVP was due to greatness fatigue: Quote: For the fourth year in a row James will suffer from Greatness Fatigue. The King is so good that the proletariat has grown weary. He is not the first victim, and he will not be the last. Michael Jordan suffered. So did Wilt. This is relevant in Philadelphia because, at some point, Joel Embiid should be in the same situation.... Anyone who saw Embiid play his 31 games this past season realizes he is something completely different. If he stays healthy (he has played just 31 games in three seasons), he could combine the strength of Shaq with the athleticism of Wilt, the shooting touch of Dirk and the defensive menace of Russell. If healthy, in two years The Process will have Karl-Anthony Townes and Anthony Davis chasing him as the league's best big man. In a decade, he will be legend. WHAAAAAAAAAA? Link - ( New Window ) I understand the potential with Embiid is great but man has the Sixer faithful gotten ahead of themselves. He hasn't played a healthy season of basketball going back to Kansas.

It's really incredible. The assumption should be that he'll never be healthy at this point a la Greg Oden, not that he'll stay healthy...

In comment 13512806 TyreeHelmet said:

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"Jackson dead set against a buyout." "A league source said one team to monitor is the Spurs, who are trying to unload an unhappy LaMarcus Aldridge and finding the trade market thin. However, it's unclear if Anthony would waive his no-trade clause to go to San Antonio, or anywhere, for that matter." Could the spurs bring in CP3 and Melo?

spurs are in such an interesting spot, they have a young superstar who is a top 5 to 7 player in the nba and then you have nothing but age around and arguably best coach in the nba...

how do they build aroind him? do they just keep trying to rradjust the pieces or do they somehow tank 1 year to add another young superstar...

as long as golden state stays in tact i think just moving around the deck chairs wont get it done but the spurs are so good at what they do maybe they get lucky with a late roind pick

would they be viewed as being in a favorable situation?

they have 3 young guys they hope to build around, cap spacr and all of their picks...

it just seems like melo vs phil is making wverything look bad when in reality besodes melo knicks have a young team..

In comment 13512815 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 13512806 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: "Jackson dead set against a buyout." "A league source said one team to monitor is the Spurs, who are trying to unload an unhappy LaMarcus Aldridge and finding the trade market thin. However, it's unclear if Anthony would waive his no-trade clause to go to San Antonio, or anywhere, for that matter." Could the spurs bring in CP3 and Melo? spurs are in such an interesting spot, they have a young superstar who is a top 5 to 7 player in the nba and then you have nothing but age around and arguably best coach in the nba... how do they build aroind him? do they just keep trying to rradjust the pieces or do they somehow tank 1 year to add another young superstar... as long as golden state stays in tact i think just moving around the deck chairs wont get it done but the spurs are so good at what they do maybe they get lucky with a late roind pick

*top 2 player in the NBA. Kawhi is too good, you can't tank with Kawhi. Pop wouldn't do it anyway. SA would actually be an incredible landing spot for Melo, and if they somehow got CP3 as well, that's definitely a team that can compete with GS. Pop got David Lee into a valuable sort of 2 way contributor. He would do WONDERS with Melo, and if both CP3 and Melo bought into the ball movement system with Kawhi ISO, they would be incredible.

If they got CP3 and kept Green, that might be the best defensive 1/2/3 in NBA history, literally.

ONLY if price is right, wont max him out or pay big money to bring him back

Kill me.

In comment 13512431 Stu11 said:

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take future #1's. I don't need Love, I don't even care much about the player return. Take Rivers who cares. I'm telling you in 4 or 5 years that trade will look like the Celts-Nets deal and we will be sitting pretty with Lottery picks right when we are hopefully getting a little better.

It's a great idea except you're not getting that return for melo.

In comment 13512819 nygiants16 said:

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would they be viewed as being in a favorable situation? they have 3 young guys they hope to build around, cap spacr and all of their picks... it just seems like melo vs phil is making wverything look bad when in reality besodes melo knicks have a young team..

KP is a draw, NY is a draw. Willy probably turned a head here or there but no one is coming to play with him. Frank is a non-entity in terms of desirability (of the draftees, I'd guess Ball and Fox are the draws, but rookies generally arent draws).

A lot depends on how KP is viewed. I think everyone knows his potential but he'll be more of a draw in a few seasons.

In comment 13512597 TyreeHelmet said:

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League sources: Carmelo Anthony's camp, while acknowledging Melo's preference to stay in NYC, has tried to engage the Knicks in buyout talks But league sources say that the Knicks have thus far resisted the idea of a Melo buyout that would clear the way for him to join the Cavs How long will the Knicks maintain their unwillingness to buy Melo out when he can block any trade? One of the summer's hottest questions ...

Don't buy him out. No!

That the Knicks should focus on developing KP, Willie, Frank, Randle, Baker, Dotson, while losing a ton of games to be in a position to select
Michael Porter or Luka Doncic. Both are projected to have superstar potential.

The strategy this offseason should be to trade O'Quinn, Melo, L. Thomas, Lee for young, up and coming guys and draft picks.

Do Not sign Rose and really focus on 2019 and beyond.

The worst thing they could do is attempt to put together a squad to compete for the 8th playoff slot.

In comment 13512741 Deej said:

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1. The whole fucking league knows what he is. Not a #1 scorer anymore, but a guy who could absolutely be your #2 or #3 scorer. Will probably get more efficient. Needs to be protected defensively; some hope that on a better team/playoffs the commit will improve. 2. Knicks desperation to trade Melo is over blown. Every shitty rebuilding team looks to to trade its over-30 talent. 3. What is hurting our ability to trade Melo moreso than anything Phil has done it his unwillingness to be traded, and his salary, and the fact that so many competitors are totally cashed out of futures they can give after years of contending.

Deej on the money as usual. Couldn't agree more.

In comment 13512871 PhilSimms15 said:

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That the Knicks should focus on developing KP, Willie, Frank, Randle, Baker, Dotson, while losing a ton of games to be in a position to select Michael Porter or Luka Doncic. Both are projected to have superstar potential. The strategy this offseason should be to trade O'Quinn, Melo, L. Thomas, Lee for young, up and coming guys and draft picks. Couldn't agree more Phil as I stated 2 hrs ago in my post Do Not sign Rose and really focus on 2019 and beyond. The worst thing they could do is attempt to put together a squad to compete for the 8th playoff slot.

and Phil is more likely to do the polar opposite. Anyone with any common sense understands you build around the young guys, deal the vets, and get a top five pick next year. They'd be in great shape for the next decade.

He can stay in Ny, See his son. Start for the Nets, score 25 ppg..

Nets sell a couple more tickets, doubling nightly attendance and the Celtics draft pick falls a few more spots...

Doesn't even have to be Linsanity. It can be anything...

If Melo doesn't get traded, buy him out. Unless he's gonna play 6th man or sit the year which is just not gonna happen, let's be real..it would get sooooo ugly if it came to that.

They don't even know if Frank is/will be a PG and I'm not sure how it helps KP and Willy's development to play without any talent at such an important position. Sure, I'd love to get Rubio for the last 2 years of his deal, but that probably won't happen.

If they could retain Rose for a VERY short, VERY cheap deal, that might not be the worst thing in the world. With Melo off of the roster (which I think is 100% guaranteed one way or another), this team is going to lose games and will get a high pick with or without Rose. Rose could still be moved if he's playing decently.

Anytime the Knicks were out of it,there was always comments being made,surgery to be had,or something else going on.

In comment 13512883 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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They don't even know if Frank is/will be a PG and I'm not sure how it helps KP and Willy's development to play without any talent at such an important position. Sure, I'd love to get Rubio for the last 2 years of his deal, but that probably won't happen. If they could retain Rose for a VERY short, VERY cheap deal, that might not be the worst thing in the world. With Melo off of the roster (which I think is 100% guaranteed one way or another), this team is going to lose games and will get a high pick with or without Rose. Rose could still be moved if he's playing decently.

i think they end absorbing rubio into space and he os the point. guard for a couple of years while frank develops...

you could easily play frank and rubio together

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In comment 13512750 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: his career without a title. I think that kind of crystallized the mixed feelings about Melo from GMs around the league. I think that's wild speculation. Melo hasnt been traded because Melo wont allow himself to be traded. Nothing more to see.

The internet about melted down with Kristaps trade rumors. Even when Melo was trying to brute force his way out of Denver as a 26 year old the NBA landscape didn't go that crazy with teams thirsty to make offers.

I don't think teams in general have ever really thought of Melo as anything significantly more than the "selfish, volume scorer, inefficient, no defense" narrative that's always followed him. There was just more interest when he was averaging 27-28ppg.

Even his big free agency tour was, what, three teams? And three teams who had a track record of bad decisions.

In comment 13513119 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 13512753 Deej said: Quote: In comment 13512750 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: his career without a title. I think that kind of crystallized the mixed feelings about Melo from GMs around the league. I think that's wild speculation. Melo hasnt been traded because Melo wont allow himself to be traded. Nothing more to see. The internet about melted down with Kristaps trade rumors. Even when Melo was trying to brute force his way out of Denver as a 26 year old the NBA landscape didn't go that crazy with teams thirsty to make offers. I don't think teams in general have ever really thought of Melo as anything significantly more than the "selfish, volume scorer, inefficient, no defense" narrative that's always followed him. There was just more interest when he was averaging 27-28ppg. Even his big free agency tour was, what, three teams? And three teams who had a track record of bad decisions.

The Lakers, Bulls, Rockets and Mavs have a track record of bad decisions?

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