-Bulls and Jazz the early favorites for Milos Teodosic
-Kmart mocked Phil Jackson on TMZ. Says Frenchy will be a bust, on Noah "Picking talent? That ain't [Jackson's] strong suit, as you can tell," Martin said. "The man gave Joakim Noah $70 million -- boy can't hit his ass with both hands. ... I'm going to continue to go after Joakim Noah. That boy sucks."
Trade Melo?
Re-sign Rose?
Deal for Rubio?
Sign PJ Tucker?
Re-sign Baker and Holiday?
I'm scared to death of what this franchise has in store for us this summer.
Kenyon averaged a whopping 3 and a half points more per game than Noah with a career PPG of 12.8 to 9.0. Just saying
I can't fathom watching games next season if those two are dribbling the air out of the ball while KP, Willy, Frank and others are holding their dicks waiting for a pass.
TIMBERWOLVES GET
SG, COURTNEY LEE
KNICKS GET
F/C, JORDAN HILL; TIMBERWOLVES 2018 SECOND ROUND PICK
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honestly believe Rose is coming back and Melo is coming back.
I can't fathom watching games next season if those two are dribbling the air out of the ball while KP, Willy, Frank and others are holding their dicks waiting for a pass.
This!
TIMBERWOLVES GET
SG, COURTNEY LEE
KNICKS GET
F/C, JORDAN HILL; TIMBERWOLVES 2018 SECOND ROUND PICK
Not that I am over-rating Lee, but Ewww.
Yep. 100% agree.
Those picks will be precious in 4 years.
Agree. Two futures 1's for Melo would do it for me. Maybe even put them 2 or 3 years away from now to add to chance that they aren't good. I actually think Phil should be commenting publicly about not cutting Melo. Maybe you even wait for the trade deadline this year after as some suggested you play Melo off the bench. Shop him at the deadline, get leverage waiving his NTC. (A team like the Wolves would be a great fit team wise for him to come off the bench)
No reason to cut him for nothing. He's not the most valuable asset but he's worth something. If he wants to be a malcontent for a season that's also fine. Let's lose some games!
I think the entire NBA learned a lesson on that Nets deal. I dont see the Cavs or Clips giving up multiple #1s that are completely unprotected. It's not a hard argument to make in a trade call: "Hey, if I give these unprotected and they turn out to be #1 overalls, I'll never get another GM job in this league."
Fully expect this too. Listening to Isola this morning, he said the Knicks are
fully in the mix for Rose. Only the Knicks and Phil Jackson would watch last years team and bring back the same squad. I have a bad feeling Rose is going to get big money from the Knicks too. Phil oddly seems to think very highly of him.
I really can't see any scenario where the Knicks can make a Melo trade that benefits them. Just bite the bullet and release him. Send a loud and clear message that the Knicks are entering a new phase. No one is trading future unprotected picks for him.
If we bring back Rose, that's yet another year of stunting KP's development. At least with Melo, there's a shot at recovering his value and trading him to a contender for assets, even if they have to be a top-8 protected pick or whatever.
Trade Melo?
Re-sign Rose?
Deal for Rubio?
Sign PJ Tucker?
Re-sign Baker and Holiday?
I'm scared to death of what this franchise has in store for us this summer.
Here's my prediction: Phil signs one of the free agent point guards (George Hill or Jeff Teague) to a deal worth something like 2/38 with the second year being a player option.
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take future #1's. I don't need Love, I don't even care much about the player return. Take Rivers who cares. I'm telling you in 4 or 5 years that trade will look like the Celts-Nets deal and we will be sitting pretty with Lottery picks right when we are hopefully getting a little better.
I think the entire NBA learned a lesson on that Nets deal. I dont see the Cavs or Clips giving up multiple #1s that are completely unprotected. It's not a hard argument to make in a trade call: "Hey, if I give these unprotected and they turn out to be #1 overalls, I'll never get another GM job in this league."
they should have learned their lesson after the Eddy Curry trade.
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over the next couple of weeks?
Trade Melo?
Re-sign Rose?
Deal for Rubio?
Sign PJ Tucker?
Re-sign Baker and Holiday?
I'm scared to death of what this franchise has in store for us this summer.
Here's my prediction: Phil signs one of the free agent point guards (George Hill or Jeff Teague) to a deal worth something like 2/38 with the second year being a player option.
I'd be stunned. I don't see any way either player has such a cold market at that rate I suspect Utah would just keep Hill, why would he leave them? He's been open about his wants he said he realizes he might have to pick between a winner and the best possible contract, he's already 31 coming off a nice season, I don't think a 2nd year player option does much for him, he's getting a much better deal at 32? S
Love/hate to say it but Isola is 100% correct. Even if you want to say that KP was wrong to skip the meeting, all Phil and his 70 year old man cronies are doing is distracting this kid from his work. They're like gossip queens.
"Utah was limited to offering Hill -- who is making $8 million in the final season of his contract -- the rest of its cap space this season and an extension of three years with annual raises of 7.5 percent. Therefore, the best offer Utah could make Hill was for $88.3 million to be committed to the Jazz through the 2019-20 season, which computes to a three-year, $74.7 million extension plus the $13.6 million of available cap space this season.
Hill would be eligible to sign a five-year deal with the Jazz or a four-year deal with another team as a free agent.
Hill has previously indicated a strong interest in remaining in Utah.
"I really like it here," Hill told ESPN in November. "My family likes it here. I've got some friends here. The city's been great for me so far, and it's a nice place to raise a family, so hopefully I get an opportunity to re-sign here if they would love me to be here.""
His trade value is low because of his NTC, his age, his trade kicker and big salary. None of those things are changing. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see why a team would be more inclined to trade for him during the season. The window to trade him has passed.
Looking back, you really have to hand it to his agent Leon Rose. Getting the 5 years with a full no trade clause and a big trade kicker? They really didn't concede anything. Phil should have never given out the NTC/ kicker and forced Melo to take less elsewhere.
I think the entire NBA learned a lesson on that Nets deal. I dont see the Cavs or Clips giving up multiple #1s that are completely unprotected. It's not a hard argument to make in a trade call: "Hey, if I give these unprotected and they turn out to be #1 overalls, I'll never get another GM job in this league."
they should have learned their lesson after the Eddy Curry trade.
The BOS-NJ trade was the Curry trade on steroids. Plus I think the fact that the Curry trade didnt really do much for the Bulls dampens the impact on people's memories. Had they kept Aldridge it might be remembered more. Shoot, there is the Baron and a #1 (Kyrie) trade that is worse.
I think this BK trade is different. 3 straight #1s in effect, from the worst team in the NBA. It has effectively broken one franchise for a half decade. And the spoils are going to a 2nd tier contender. It's just so visible in everyone's mind right now.
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would be a Melo trade, IMO.
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Agree. Two futures 1's for Melo would do it for me.
"Utah was limited to offering Hill -- who is making $8 million in the final season of his contract -- the rest of its cap space this season and an extension of three years with annual raises of 7.5 percent. Therefore, the best offer Utah could make Hill was for $88.3 million to be committed to the Jazz through the 2019-20 season, which computes to a three-year, $74.7 million extension plus the $13.6 million of available cap space this season.
Hill would be eligible to sign a five-year deal with the Jazz or a four-year deal with another team as a free agent.
Hill has previously indicated a strong interest in remaining in Utah.
"I really like it here," Hill told ESPN in November. "My family likes it here. I've got some friends here. The city's been great for me so far, and it's a nice place to raise a family, so hopefully I get an opportunity to re-sign here if they would love me to be here.""
and if Heyward leaves, are the Jazz going to commit big money to an over 30 PG? If they choose to move on, who else is paying him? With Teague, it's a similar situation. if PG leaves Indy, the Pacers are going to tank which means Teague is moving elsewhere - only there's limited destinations for him.
Once Phil re-signs Rose, I'm going full-on Bucks fan. I will become what I have hated. That's how much I hate the idea of Derrick Rose coming back.
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might make sense for a younger player but Hill is going to be 32 next off-season and even implied he would take a lesser offer from the Jazz if he doesn't like the other option on the table so it would be kind of weird to take 1+ a PO from the Knicks
"Utah was limited to offering Hill -- who is making $8 million in the final season of his contract -- the rest of its cap space this season and an extension of three years with annual raises of 7.5 percent. Therefore, the best offer Utah could make Hill was for $88.3 million to be committed to the Jazz through the 2019-20 season, which computes to a three-year, $74.7 million extension plus the $13.6 million of available cap space this season.
Hill would be eligible to sign a five-year deal with the Jazz or a four-year deal with another team as a free agent.
Hill has previously indicated a strong interest in remaining in Utah.
"I really like it here," Hill told ESPN in November. "My family likes it here. I've got some friends here. The city's been great for me so far, and it's a nice place to raise a family, so hopefully I get an opportunity to re-sign here if they would love me to be here.""
and if Heyward leaves, are the Jazz going to commit big money to an over 30 PG? If they choose to move on, who else is paying him? With Teague, it's a similar situation. if PG leaves Indy, the Pacers are going to tank which means Teague is moving elsewhere - only there's limited destinations for him.
Teams that strike out on Paul/Lowry will likely be in on Hill. Spurs (why wouldn't they make him a similar offer to the one you described if his market is that bad?), Nuggets, Wolves, Raptors, Celtics, Pelicans all look like potential spots for Hill to me.
Can't shoot AT ALL. That being said, I'd take him for 1 year over Rose for 2-3.
But league sources say that the Knicks have thus far resisted the idea of a Melo buyout that would clear the way for him to join the Cavs
How long will the Knicks maintain their unwillingness to buy Melo out when he can block any trade? One of the summer's hottest questions ...
But league sources say that the Knicks have thus far resisted the idea of a Melo buyout that would clear the way for him to join the Cavs
How long will the Knicks maintain their unwillingness to buy Melo out when he can block any trade? One of the summer's hottest questions ...
Under no circumstances should Melo be bought out. Bench him and pay him his money instead of letting him walk. He doe not get to use his NTC to completely eviscerate the franchise's ability to build something here. He has to choose between getting paid and playing where he wants to play. He cannot get both without the Knicks getting something in return. NTC's are not and should not be suicide pacts.
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might make sense for a younger player but Hill is going to be 32 next off-season and even implied he would take a lesser offer from the Jazz if he doesn't like the other option on the table so it would be kind of weird to take 1+ a PO from the Knicks
"Utah was limited to offering Hill -- who is making $8 million in the final season of his contract -- the rest of its cap space this season and an extension of three years with annual raises of 7.5 percent. Therefore, the best offer Utah could make Hill was for $88.3 million to be committed to the Jazz through the 2019-20 season, which computes to a three-year, $74.7 million extension plus the $13.6 million of available cap space this season.
Hill would be eligible to sign a five-year deal with the Jazz or a four-year deal with another team as a free agent.
Hill has previously indicated a strong interest in remaining in Utah.
"I really like it here," Hill told ESPN in November. "My family likes it here. I've got some friends here. The city's been great for me so far, and it's a nice place to raise a family, so hopefully I get an opportunity to re-sign here if they would love me to be here.""
and if Heyward leaves, are the Jazz going to commit big money to an over 30 PG? If they choose to move on, who else is paying him? With Teague, it's a similar situation. if PG leaves Indy, the Pacers are going to tank which means Teague is moving elsewhere - only there's limited destinations for him.
Teams that strike out on Paul/Lowry will likely be in on Hill. Spurs (why wouldn't they make him a similar offer to the one you described if his market is that bad?), Nuggets, Wolves, Raptors, Celtics, Pelicans all look like potential spots for Hill to me.
All of those teams would be potential spots if the there wasn't a salary cap. Out of that list, the Spurs would make the most sense but, as you said, they are going to be looking elsewhere first.
Phil should announce that they'd rather keep Melo and have him as a bench scorer rather than buy him out.
Lebron, Irving, George, Melo as the core
How long will the Knicks maintain their unwillingness to buy Melo out when he can block any trade? One of the summer's hottest questions ...
Tell him he's only getting bought out after the trade deadline in 2019. Not a second before. If he really wants to leave, let him opt out next summer. I'd love to trade him, but if he's not waiving the NTC, it's worth it to keep him around in case he changes his mind. What's the downside? Another fucked up season? We're likely getting that anyway due to the morons in charge.
Trade him or buy him out. I have no interest whatsoever in having him on the team to start next season. There is zero positive that can come from it