NFT: Knicks Chat

In comment 13512623 DanMetroMan said:

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Cavs wanted to trade for George AND sign Melo if he were bought out. That would be one weird team. Lebron, Irving, George, Melo as the core

I'm sure they are resigning Korver too. So add Korver, JR, Thompson, Shumpert, maybe D Wade if he gets bought out. That team definitely has a better shot against the Warriors than last years team.

I like the idea in theory of holding strong against Melo, but in reality I think it gets ugly and can only hurt the Knicks more. Melo holds all the cards. I'm sure he will happily play for the Knicks, and bump them up 5-10 more costly wins.

than anything else developing KP/Willy/Frank will dictate the success and optimism of Knicks fans heading into the 2019 season. We could win 35 games and have it be a truly awful season and we can win 28 games and have it be a successful one (big picture).

In comment 13512636 MookGiants said:

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is winning a few more games than we should bwcause he gors off cor 40 points here and there. The downside is also him being a ball stopper and hurting the development kf young players like KP, Willy, and Frank. Trade him or buy him out. I have no interest whatsoever in having him on the team to start next season. There is zero positive that can come from it

that's extremely short-sighted. If you can't trade him this summer, a trade may materialize during the season. If he's not playing the right way, you bench him.

honestly asking other than Keith (who is on record NOT wanting Rose as the starting PG but liked him for cheap off the bench as a 6th man) is there a single person on here who thought Rose was a good fit with KP/Willy? That Rose should be brought back as the PG?

Good one.

In comment 13512653 DanMetroMan said:

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honestly asking other than Keith (who is on record NOT wanting Rose as the starting PG but liked him for cheap off the bench as a 6th man) is there a single person on here who thought Rose was a good fit with KP/Willy? That Rose should be brought back as the PG?

Literally, the very fact that last week we were over run with rumors of trading KP and this week we're discussing if we're going to resign a guy who literally just disappeared for a game and is a horrible basketball fit is all you need to know about the Knicks right now.

cause Melo seems like a good dude, but I'd rather just make him miserable than buy him out.

Bench him, keep him away from the team, whatever. Buying him out does nothing.

He can stay here, continue to invoke his NTC, and ride the pine, or he can play ball on a trade. His choice.

Be in TANK mode for 2018

Spend money only on one year contracts and no multi year contracts

Rebuild and tank should be the only words this franchise uses

Try desperately to trade Melo and not buy out
Stretch provision Noah
See if KOQ and Lee have any trade value for youth and or draft picks

The goal is to get a top 3 lottery pick in 2018

Provision on him. No buyouts. Can't they just tell him to stay home?

In comment 13512675 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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Provision on him. No buyouts. Can't they just tell him to stay home?

They've done it many times in the past. Francis and Jalen Rose to name a few(I think). This team has a long history of signing guys to terrible deals and then telling them to just stay home because they can't unload them.

Phil has been free of Dolan interference since he got here, but I do think a buyout of Melo would be the type of decision for which Phil would ultimately need owner approval. Not only will you not find a more spiteful guy in sports than Dolan, he probably still seems some value in Melo as far as ticket sales and such. In short, I don't think Dolan goes for a buyout even if Phil wants to do it.

In comment 13512664 Jon in NYC said:

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cause Melo seems like a good dude, but I'd rather just make him miserable than buy him out. Bench him, keep him away from the team, whatever. Buying him out does nothing.

Bingo. Fuck a buyout.

for Doncic! Lose4Luka!

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In comment 13512675 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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Provision on him. No buyouts. Can't they just tell him to stay home?

a buyout does not necessarily mean you kick the cap obligation down the road into future seasons.

traded not only for the Knicks to work on building for the future, but also because I want to see Melo on a contender. I think fans around the League have forgotten how incredible and prolific he can be on offense when he's in a good situation and when he has a quality point guard to facilitate an offense.

You'll be waiting for a while. He aint that guy anymore.

Too obvious?

The circus would be a 100X worse than it was last year though.

Per ESPN, Carmelo Anthony's estranged wife, La La Anthony, said on "The Wendy Williams Show" on Tuesday that the New York Knicks star's top priority going forward is to remain close to their 10-year-old son, Kiyan.
Knicks president Phil Jackson has made it clear that his preference is to trade Anthony this offseason. Jackson said recently that Anthony indicated to the club he'd prefer to stay in New York.

"The most important thing with that is just to stay close to Kiyan," La La Anthony said during the interview, when asked about reports of Anthony being traded. "That's my priority, that's his priority. So wherever he ends up, of course we want him to be happy."

Sources told ESPN's Marc Stein that Anthony's camp has tried to engage the Knicks in recent buyout discussions as it establishes the player's options.

Sources say Knicks officials have thus far rejected the idea of coming to a settlement and waiving Anthony with two years and nearly $55 million left on his contract.
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In comment 13512655 Keith said:

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Good one.

I said 5-10 wins and it's true. The Knicks won 2 games last year without Melo and didn't win a game without him the previous season. In the last 30 games of last year he was a major factor in 6 or 7 wins. Those wins are losses and the Knicks are picking top 4. Big difference.

I really don't think it's a stretch to saying having Melo moves the Knicks from 25 wins to around 32-35 wins.

This situation sucks for the Knicks but it's a result of the mistakes they made. They need to do what's best for them and move on. Take the cap hit this year and next- don't stretch it.

Also- just heard Bobby Marks on WFan. He said there was "zero trade market" for Melo.

but I'll need to see him pass up Cleveland for Washington, Philly or Brooklyn if he's indeed bought out. We'll see how important it is to stay close to home when King James comes calling.

Out Melo and do not stretch his contract. Let him play it out as a 6th man role until he gets fed up and wants to be traded and or does not pick up his player optiom the next season. As for Rose, get him the fuck out of here. Having him here will not help KP nor Franks development

doesn't come back. He isn't good enough to make a meaningful difference on the team, and his style of play will only inhibit the development of the young guys.

Could he be productive in another organization like the Spurs? Of course, but the Knicks don't have that organizational structure.

to play the right way to be honest. If he stays and plays the right way, the Knicks win more games than they would otherwise and cost themselves a top pick.

If he plays like an asshole he probably still wins a few games himself by having a hot shooting night and stunts the development of our young guys.

If I actually believed the Knicks would make him DNP coaches decision if he blocks all trades, I would be all for it, but if he comes back you know the Knicks will be running him out there for 35 minutes per night

This coming year and bringing back Melo has a negative impact on that

would obviously take Rubio over Rose, I'd take Sergio Rodriguez over Rose, I'd take MCW (fully acknowledging he's an embarrassingly bad shooter), I'd take Livingston or Mills for 1-2 years over Rose but both will get more, I'd take Collison (since he would only need 1 season), Shelvin Mack

Moore lists the following players as fits for the Knicks

Mills, Mack, Holiday x2, Waiters, Gallo, Bogdanovic, Pau, Rose, Muhammad
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In comment 13512719 DanMetroMan said:

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would obviously take Rubio over Rose, I'd take Sergio Rodriguez over Rose, I'd take MCW (fully acknowledging he's an embarrassingly bad shooter), I'd take Livingston or Mills for 1-2 years over Rose but both will get more, I'd take Collison (since he would only need 1 season), Shelvin Mack

I would almost any other PG in the league over Rose. Just from a fans entertainment perspective, I really didn't like watching him play for the Knicks. And just reading the tea leaves from KPs comments, you can tell he didn't like playing with him.

I think because of his enormous cap hold (30 mill) we will know pretty quickly if he's resigning or not. They have zero cap space with his hold in place.

Obliterated Melo's trade value, he is an A1 asshole, I am not saying that Melo is the greatest, but his trade value was killed last season as asshole ego maniac who was the one that should have got all the heat for the horrible moves he made to kill any chance for this team to be competitive in the near future, then he tries to put all the blame on a coach who can't get the team to play his system and a star player who can't help turn chicken shit into chicken salad. I feel bad for current Knick fans. They have become the laughing stock of the NBA under the great Phil Jackson. He had an opportunity to ass assets with a Melo trade, and he completely screwed that up with his antics last season.

LOL

the Knicks should be in complete overhaul mode. Get rid of the trash and bring in aging vets who can be overpaid to serve as mentors for how to play the game the right away and how to be professionals.

Right now, all of the young players are getting a warped view of professionalism because they play for such a joke of a franchise.

They have to start by getting rid of Jackson, he has become a cancer and lost all the respect of his best young player with his antics. That is why he didn't go to his royal highnesses exit interview.

Dolan sells, that is the way this will truly get taken care of.

1. The whole fucking league knows what he is. Not a #1 scorer anymore, but a guy who could absolutely be your #2 or #3 scorer. Will probably get more efficient. Needs to be protected defensively; some hope that on a better team/playoffs the commit will improve.

2. Knicks desperation to trade Melo is over blown. Every shitty rebuilding team looks to to trade its over-30 talent.

3. What is hurting our ability to trade Melo moreso than anything Phil has done it his unwillingness to be traded, and his salary, and the fact that so many competitors are totally cashed out of futures they can give after years of contending.

his career without a title.

I think that kind of crystallized the mixed feelings about Melo from GMs around the league.

In comment 13512750 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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his career without a title. I think that kind of crystallized the mixed feelings about Melo from GMs around the league.

I think that's wild speculation.

Melo hasnt been traded because Melo wont allow himself to be traded. Nothing more to see.

The Minnesota Timberwolves, San Antonio Spurs, LA Clippers, Philadelphia 76ers, Orlando Magic, Brooklyn Nets and Utah Jazz are among the teams interested in the 2015 NBA Finals MVP, sources tell ESPN.

are going to be a 3-4 seed this year aren't they?

In comment 13512760 DanMetroMan said:

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are going to be a 3-4 seed this year aren't they?

Melo should want to go to the Sixers. He could look like the hero playing with all this young talent and a PG(Fultz) which he and everyone claims he's never had
Philly is an hour away and he can still be close to his son

Trade
Melo for Justin Anderson and a couple of future draft picks
Sixers have plenty of cap space to make room

Also, why would they want to kick off this great young roster w/ somebody that plays the way Melo chooses to play (no "D", ISO "O"). I wouldn't poison the kids that way.

disagree

Cavs and Celtics are near locks to be to be the top 2 seeds barring major injuries but Lowry looks like he's out of Toronto so I think they will take a major, major step back. Bucks and Wizards would be the "next 2" and I think the Sixers with a few tweaks (Iggy or Redick etc) can absolutely be up there with those teams. They are LOADED with talent (yes with injury concerns) but Covington would be regarded as a young stud if we had him and he's not even mentioned when talking about the Sixers.

Fultz, Simmons, Embiid, Saric, Covington, Holmes, Okafor, Anderson, Bolden, McConnell,Luwawu-Cabarrot. Throw in a guy like Redick or Iggy... I'm very jealous.

In comment 13512759 DanMetroMan said:

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The Minnesota Timberwolves, San Antonio Spurs, LA Clippers, Philadelphia 76ers, Orlando Magic, Brooklyn Nets and Utah Jazz are among the teams interested in the 2015 NBA Finals MVP, sources tell ESPN.

He's going to get big money. Will the Warriors match any deal? Does Iggy take less to stay with GSW or join Philly/ Minny and get one last monster contract? Could really hurt the warriors.

brown refused to play 2 bigs together, said he didnt like the fit...saric is probably their 4...

need a vwt leader, iggy would be a good story going back to philly to help lead the young guys

In comment 13512781 nygiants16 said:

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brown refused to play 2 bigs together, said he didnt like the fit...saric is probably their 4... need a vwt leader, iggy would be a good story going back to philly to help lead the young guys

Sure and maybe the return isn't "awesome" on Okafor but they should get at least a solid rotation piece.

it's just not the normal development arc. Simmons is not going to dominate on both ends. Embiid has play 1 of 8 Sixers games since he was drafted, and is not currently healthy.

Amazing to me that the owner said an Embiid extension is a big priority this offseason. Either they're nuts or Embiid has given them a reasonable demand.

In comment 13512783 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13512781 nygiants16 said: Quote: brown refused to play 2 bigs together, said he didnt like the fit...saric is probably their 4... need a vwt leader, iggy would be a good story going back to philly to help lead the young guys Sure and maybe the return isn't "awesome" on Okafor but they should get at least a solid rotation piece.

they tried moving him last year and no one wanted him

love KP posting all of these workout videos/pictures. Kid is hungry, also funny he didn't bother posing with an "impressive" weight opting for small more realistic weights.

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3. What is hurting our ability to trade Melo moreso than anything Phil has done it his unwillingness to be traded, and his salary, and the fact that so many competitors are totally cashed out of futures they can give after years of contending.

Difficult fully to buy that take: Knicks are not at this pass if the gating issue of the NTC doesn't confer total leverage in Melo's hands. Without that it's a different look for player and team, a different calculus for Melo.