"That’s one of the reasons we have a great opportunity, because everyone knows where they’re supposed to be and knows where the ball’s gonna be and when it’s coming,’’ Marshall said. “That’s something I never had to deal with my entire career. I never had a quarterback be so precise with his preparation and also just ball placement and getting the ball out quick. That’s been the biggest adjustment for me.’’
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Add to the fact that he's big enough to block for the running game...something we really haven't had out of our WR's in quite a long time.
Ooohs and ahhs in June? Is that the barometer these days? Wow.
p.s.--When you reach that age where you lose a step, it helps to be 6'4"
He said it himself. There's nothing to be skeptical about.
We heard lots of good stuff about Sterling Shepard.
Hoping for 2015 version of Marshall and not the 2002 version of Herman Moore with the Giants.
(BTW fellas, it's OK to not to always been a blind cheerleader for the team but to question things).
Marshall should have a big year with OBJ on the other side and Engram/Shep to attract coverage. All comes down to the OL.
It's one thing to wonder how much Marshall has in the tank. It's another to use an absolutely ridiculous comparison.
Moore was signed mid-season out of desperation because we literally had no healthy WR's left on the team at that point. He was coming off a season where he played in 3 games and caught 4 passes. He appeared in one game and caught 0 passes.
This isn't even in the same universe.
We heard lots of good stuff about Sterling Shepard.
Hoping for 2015 version of Marshall and not the 2002 version of Herman Moore with the Giants.
(BTW fellas, it's OK to not to always been a blind cheerleader for the team but to question things).
I'm never a blind cheerleader Eric. Never been the case.
Ever. You don't know me personally but I'd think you know my football experience from various posts over the last 17 years. To position your argument based on "oooohs" and "ahhhs" in June is well below your football aptitude.
A 33 year old vet receiver looking to prove something might be exactly what this team - and OBJ - needs.
(and to compare Marshall to shot HM is beyond ridiculous)
I think it's safe to say that Odell most certainly had an impact on Marshall's decision to come here.
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So it was extremely important for me to go to a place where, I didn't want to be the No. 1. I wanted a dominant No. 1. And Odell is the biggest superstar in our business and obviously, we have a great defense so it will be awesome to see all those guys grow in Year 2 all together."
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“I just think that there’s a lot of opportunity on the other side of Odell,” Marshall said. Unlike with the Jets, Marshall will clearly be the No. 2 option behind Beckham Jr., though playing alongside the Giants’ young star receiver was a factor that attracted Marshall to the team.
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"I have a great relationship with @OBJ_3. I just love the guy to death." - @BMarshall
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"This kid isn't even in his prime yet and he's a monster." - @BMarshall on @OBJ_3
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“I’m super excited to play with and experience an awesome quarterback in Eli Manning and play with the biggest superstar in the NFL, Odell, on the other side,” Marshall said. “I’m eager to take pressure of him. He’s seen funky coverages. So many teams do everything they can to pull him out of the game.”
I think it's safe to say that Odell most certainly had an impact on Marshall's decision to come here.
That's all well and good. But did Jordan Raanan, Pat Leonard and Gary Myers "oooooh" and "ahhhhh" during June workouts?
(soooory, but that's it in a nutshell)
So, we have to dismiss what the guy actually said because he was "supposed" to say it, but we should believe you that he thinks otherwise because........?
He's FRIENDS with Odell. He's not saying this because he feels obligated to say it. He's been friends with Beckham since before March.
But somehow, we're supposed to dismiss the idea that he could have come here to play with him even though he said it himself.
Rich.
Well it means something, you are just choosing to believe what you want which is fine. At this point in his career I don't see much of a reason for Marshall to lie, and if he did in fact turn down better offers that gives more validity.
I just don't understand why you think a player in the twilight of his career, who's never won anything, wouldn't factor in who's playing along side of him and consider it a positive thing if said player was great.
I don't think we get a lot of ooh and ahh plays from Marshall but I think we're gonna like him regardless. He will be the best outside wr that Beckham will have played with up until this point and will represent a clear upgrade over Cruz and Randle before him. I don't think we get the big stuff downfield but Marshall will move the chains and beat single coverage enough for Eli to squeeze plays in there.
Marshall gives the WR position credibility just with his size and savy but the real key is going to be Engram. If he's the goods watch out. I also think Shepard is in for a really big year. People are writing him off but he's the perfect age and in the perfect position to clean up. Eli loves going to guys like Shepard.
Marshall won't see the ball like he has in he past. He's just a piece now and not the main guy.
Beckham, Engram, Shepard. All 3 will have big years. Marshall may be 4th option this year.
If the interior trio of Pugh, Richburg, and Jerry (Fluker?) are playing at/near 100% health, I think they are good enough to overcome less than stellar play at the tackle positions. If Flowers shows even a little improvement, that will go a long way. He doesn't need to be great, he doesn't need to be good, he just needs to be middle of the road. And on the right side, I'm not too hopeful about Hart. If Bisnowaty takes well to the switch from the left side to the right side, that's a camp battle I'd like to see him win. His upside is higher than Hart's and he's under contract for four years.
Bottomline, I expect the OL to pick up where the 2015 OL left off, not the 2016 version.
Eli will spread the wealth. For every vultured pass that the other guys do not get there will be longer drives, more Td opportunities and more chances for everyone.
It's all about the qb getting everyone involved. Eli has been doing so for years now. Unless last year is the start of something bad with Eli, which I don't think is so, all the skill players will get their burn it they are up for the opportunity. I don't think Eli was great last year but the wr and TEs were a bigger culprit with the offensive struggles. Eli makes mistakes but with legit weopons in place all over the place he's going to produce numbers. He always does.
Maybe less targets for Beckham and or Shepard but better production. Marshall and the TEs will get theirs too.
Those quotes are from the first day he signed, so he was asked a million times about playing with Beckham before anyone knew he was signing here ???
Sometimes you guys just need to admit you were wrong about certain stuff and move on sheesh
I think I remember reading he had a nifty one-handed catch in the red zone. That's good stuff. I just expected to hear more feedback from the beat reporters with blurbs like that.
We heard good stuff from more unlikely quarters like Matt LaCosse. Sterling Shepard was widely reported to have looked very sharp.
33 is a tricky age for a WR. The good news is that Marshall's game was never based around speed or quickness. He's a big, physical presence who at worst, should still be a red zone weapon. But I'm greedy. I want the 2015 version of Marshall. That may not be realistic.
I'll be more concerned if we go through the majority of camp and none of the beats are mentioning him much.
For all the "ooh's" and "ahh's" a guy like Matt "Mr. June" LaCosse gets during OTA's, it's never happened in a game that meant something. Marshall is proven.
Even if he slows down a tick and isn't what he was in 2015, he's still going to be an upgrade over the 2016 version of Cruz and will provide the RZ target this team really needs.
If Marshall's 2017 numbers approach his 2015 numbers, it probably means Beckham got hurt.
So what's the problem? The lack of "ooooohs" and "aaaahs" from the peanut gallery in June?
Or the signing itself?
With respect, I think your argument is a bit ridiculous. It's very early. Injuries happen. And maybe, just maybe, Marshall might save somebody's bacon.
In other words, the jury hasn't even been sent a letter yet.
He knows he'll be on the team, and I expect him to start pushing his limits later in "real" camp. Some guys are just better when they have the pads on, as well.
Remember, he's not going to go against the opposing teams #1 DB anymore. Nor will he be getting double teamed. Even if his skills have diminished a bit, going against weaker DB's slants things in his favor. I expect big games from BM, most likely early in the season (and hopefully against Dallas in the first game!)
As I said, I'm optimistic. But I think it is OK to question how much a 33-year old receiver - who has said he only wants to play two more years tops - has left in the tank.
I'd feel a bit more sure of my optimism if Marshall had made one of those many "best of OTA/mini-camp" lists from the half-dozen reporters who cover the team.
There is a very good possibility that he is "pacing" himself. But I heard that same argument with Cruz.
My prediction - which will be in my WR preview - is one that you will like. But it's OK to be a tad not too pollyanish.
I just thought the Herman Moore comparison was fairly ridiculous. Moore was like 4 years removed from his last good NFL season by the time he got here. He obviously had nothing left in the tank.
Marshall is obviously not in his prime anymore, but I am very confident that he does still have some gas in the tank and will give us more than Cruz did. Marshall didn't suffer the same patellar tendon injury that Cruz did. Cruz also relied on his short burst and shiftiness to create space. Marshall utilizes a much different skillset.
him bounce off contact and break a play for a big gain. Marshall is a very smart player and this can only help us especially in the red zone.
Main thing is staying healthy, and giving Eli some time to throw.....
The one thing I want to see, is some execution by Eli and this offense in the preseason, which we never seem to see.....it's hard to come out of the starting blocks at the start of the season, when it seems you are just going through the motions in preseason....
...especially, shortly after Bennett's comment that Cutler is a better QB than Eli. Suddenly Cutler's long time "football soul-mate" is now call Manning his best QB, even though they haven't played a game together?
It seems to me that Brandon is still in the "say whatever the team needs me to say" mode. We will see if his attitude changes as the season goes on, but his size and skill is still an upgrade over Cruz and he should be a valuable target for Eli.
The question coming in from anyone is how he will mesh and that's been excellent so far.
He can do both.
It's a great fit, especially when you consider how well Eli works with tall receivers. Not concerned one bit about a loss of effectiveness and I thought he still looked very good last year in the areas we need him to look good in.
We don't need oohhs and aahhs. Just take some attention away from Beckham, along with Engram.
That said, the risk in signing an old veteran is you never know if this will be the year his body gives up.
I dont think its a physical issue as much as it is a mental issue. Once he gets the reps and timing down, the proverbial "ooo's" and "ahh's" will come. I truly believe that.
I dont think its a physical issue as much as it is a mental issue. Once he gets the reps and timing down, the proverbial "ooo's" and "ahh's" will come. I truly believe that.
Yup. Just read that in Defenderdawg's thread.
"I'm still trying to figure out the timing of the hitch route. I think our last practice Eli just threw it at my feet and said, 'I'm just going to throw it so you get the timing. I'm just going to do my job and you've got to do yours.' "
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B) He's a vet. He's not going hard every play like a guy fighting for his NFL life.
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Marshall was a #1 WR.....he is no longer that, and doesn't want to carry that burden, so this is a perfect fit for him....
I hope Eli does not get "gidifored" back there, wondering which open guy he should throw to....
I think the growth of Shepard, Perkins & Flowers along with the addition of Engram end up being more meaningful than the Marshall signing.
Add to the fact that he's big enough to block for the running game...something we really haven't had out of our WR's in quite a long time.
Dude.
I think the growth of Shepard, Perkins & Flowers along with the addition of Engram end up being more meaningful than the Marshall signing.
And last year, the Jets were a mess at QB so while targeted the passes weren't always there for him to haul in. I also think that the Jets mindset was down and so was Marshall's so subconsciously the effort may not have always been 100%.
B. Marshall is a physical freak who was a #1 and now will be a #2, drawing single coverage against likely the 2nd best corner on a team. I believe he'll make his fair share of snags and he'll be a redzone presence that Eli will go to as he likes the big guys.
Finally, at age 33, he's matured some and won't likely be a guy you don't want around. Remember, we should have a winning team and that tends to keep guys happy and content.
And honestly, if he put up 85-1100-10 type numbers no one should be surprised either. He draws the #2 corner, likely, and should eat those guys up on many routes that he flourishes at due to his size. We shall see, it will be interesting indeed.