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says "not a chance in hell" Ujiri is allowed to leave Toronto. If he were to ask out the Raptors would ask for "multiple" firsts. So cross him off (if accurate).
I don't think I'll ever see a worse owner than Dolan
He seems to be the only guy running the team who had a good plan and tried to stay with it. Everyone else kept switching on the fly from playoff contending to rebuilding or visa versa. My big knock on Walsh was not moving up in the draft to get Curry but who knows if it was even doable or if Dolan got involved. But I thought with Walsh in the picture there was a professional running the team and Dolan firing him makes me think Dolan is the main screw up here. Is Walsh the one who cleared all the big crappy contracts years ago?
He seems to be the only guy running the team who had a good plan and tried to stay with it. Everyone else kept switching on the fly from playoff contending to rebuilding or visa versa. My big knock on Walsh was not moving up in the draft to get Curry but who knows if it was even doable or if Dolan got involved. But I thought with Walsh in the picture there was a professional running the team and Dolan firing him makes me think Dolan is the main screw up here. Is Walsh the one who cleared all the big crappy contracts years ago?
He seems to be the only guy running the team who had a good plan and tried to stay with it. Everyone else kept switching on the fly from playoff contending to rebuilding or visa versa. My big knock on Walsh was not moving up in the draft to get Curry but who knows if it was even doable or if Dolan got involved. But I thought with Walsh in the picture there was a professional running the team and Dolan firing him makes me think Dolan is the main screw up here. Is Walsh the one who cleared all the big crappy contracts years ago?
walsh was awful
Walsh was much better than Layden, Isiah, and Jackson.
1) Organizational triangle mandate
2) Melo NTC
3) Noah contract
4) (If true) His willingness to bring Rose back.
I have a hard time taking seriously the argument that Melo's NTC was worse than the Noah contract. People are a little too nuts on the Melo issue IMO, as if Melo is the key malady holding this team back.
He seems to be the only guy running the team who had a good plan and tried to stay with it. Everyone else kept switching on the fly from playoff contending to rebuilding or visa versa. My big knock on Walsh was not moving up in the draft to get Curry but who knows if it was even doable or if Dolan got involved. But I thought with Walsh in the picture there was a professional running the team and Dolan firing him makes me think Dolan is the main screw up here. Is Walsh the one who cleared all the big crappy contracts years ago?
walsh was awful
Walsh was much better than Layden, Isiah, and Jackson.
Walsh was better than all 3 combined. People forget he didn't want to trade for Melo. His biggest failure was not luring Lebron, which was due to a lot more than Walsh. The Amare deal wasn't great in sum, but put the Knicks back on the map and into contention at first. On balance, the best job done of any of these schmucks since Dolan took over.
The point is, by bringing back Melo Phil bet on himself that he could reach/motivate Melo to buy in. With the NTC he clearly didnt leave himself much of a safety net in the worst case scenario which eventually played out.
Everything Phil did was based on the premise that Melo bought into his system.
He seems to be the only guy running the team who had a good plan and tried to stay with it. Everyone else kept switching on the fly from playoff contending to rebuilding or visa versa. My big knock on Walsh was not moving up in the draft to get Curry but who knows if it was even doable or if Dolan got involved. But I thought with Walsh in the picture there was a professional running the team and Dolan firing him makes me think Dolan is the main screw up here. Is Walsh the one who cleared all the big crappy contracts years ago?
walsh was awful
Walsh was much better than Layden, Isiah, and Jackson.
Walsh was better than all 3 combined. People forget he didn't want to trade for Melo. His biggest failure was not luring Lebron, which was due to a lot more than Walsh. The Amare deal wasn't great in sum, but put the Knicks back on the map and into contention at first. On balance, the best job done of any of these schmucks since Dolan took over.
that was his worst move?
how about trading crawford and zach randolph for nothing..
how about trading a first round pick to get ris of jefferies BEFORE he knew if he couks sign anyone...
how about being the biggest lous mouth when it came to the media, the guy had more leaks then titanic after getting hit by an iceberg...
how about trying to win games the 2 years before phil rather than just tanking for 2 years...
The point is, by bringing back Melo Phil bet on himself that he could reach/motivate Melo to buy in. With the NTC he clearly didnt leave himself much of a safety net in the worst case scenario which eventually played out.
Everything Phil did was based on the premise that Melo bought into his system.
I think bringing back Melo was a must (the Knicks were 100% not going to go into full rebuild anyway). Was the NTC unncessary? Maybe. But I think at the time that it was fairly assumed that Melo would waive it if the team didnt develop, and that it was really there to give him reasonable leverage on where he'd go next. I dont think anyone anticipated that he'd knock up some side piece, leading his wife to divorce him, and force him to want to stick around to be in the same city as his kid.
I think the Melo deal was a reasonable gamble. You have to evaluate decisions ex ante to some degree, and not just on whether they worked out. The Noah deal was just ridiculous. Too many years, too much money, too injured, and no appreciable upside because we simply arent in a contending window. So I think the order isnt the issue -- putting the Melo and Noah deals next to eachother is far too kind to the Noah deal.
I don't understand the obsession with Donnie Walsh.
Not only was nothing about him great, but he also cost us LeBron by being in that fucking wheelchair and slobbering all over the place during the presentation.
I don't understand the obsession with Donnie Walsh.
Not only was nothing about him great, but he also cost us LeBron by being in that fucking wheelchair and slobbering all over the place during the presentation.
I really think the issue was that the Heat cleared out the cap for 3 near-max contracts, and CAA represented all 3 guys and put it together.
Walsh's biggest mistake in courting Lebron, IMO, was jumping the gun. The Knicks open flirtation and cap clearing moves, which led to so much chatter, I think motivated other teams to get in on the LeBron sweepstakes. I cant prove that. But mostly I think Miami's salary cap, CAA, and already having Wade was the key here; Patty gets a bit too much credit.
arc just for the record, your comment crosses the line...
That's awesome of you to make fun of a guy for being in a wheelchair and "slobbering" all over himself. Since when is it cool to make fun of an old man with health issues?
That rumor has always bugged me and if that truly made a difference than LeBron James and his people are even bigger assholes than that process showed them to be.
He seems to be the only guy running the team who had a good plan and tried to stay with it. Everyone else kept switching on the fly from playoff contending to rebuilding or visa versa. My big knock on Walsh was not moving up in the draft to get Curry but who knows if it was even doable or if Dolan got involved. But I thought with Walsh in the picture there was a professional running the team and Dolan firing him makes me think Dolan is the main screw up here. Is Walsh the one who cleared all the big crappy contracts years ago?
walsh was awful
Walsh was much better than Layden, Isiah, and Jackson.
Walsh was better than all 3 combined. People forget he didn't want to trade for Melo. His biggest failure was not luring Lebron, which was due to a lot more than Walsh. The Amare deal wasn't great in sum, but put the Knicks back on the map and into contention at first. On balance, the best job done of any of these schmucks since Dolan took over.
that was his worst move?
how about trading crawford and zach randolph for nothing..
how about trading a first round pick to get ris of jefferies BEFORE he knew if he couks sign anyone...
how about being the biggest lous mouth when it came to the media, the guy had more leaks then titanic after getting hit by an iceberg...
how about trying to win games the 2 years before phil rather than just tanking for 2 years...
You don't like his style, fine...but every move you cite was done to get us out of eternal cap hell, which he stated was his plan and he achieved.
Now, did he or anyone else succeed in building a winner from there? No...but that alone made him better than anyone before or since after about 199.
And knocking him for being in a wheelchair for the Lebron meeting is pretty pathetic. The fact Lebrons team of jerkoffs mocked him for that after was weak on their part, not a knock on Dolan.
Nobody is saying Walsh was Red Auerbach. Just that he was better than Layden, Isaiah and Jax
Grunwald is the GOAT for worst in modern Knicks history
I've always been partial to Ed Tapscott. During his 2 minutes as interim prez and GM he managed to use a 1st round pick on Frederic Weis. That's tough to top when it comes to sucking
Yeah, I was just kidding around. That was some nonsense people were floating around around that time - I'm really just mocking the idea that it was what actually cost us LeBron. Obviously it wasn't.
I still didn't think much of Walsh, but... none of that really matters now.
RE: RE: Grunwald is the GOAT for worst in modern Knicks history
And traded garbage for Tyson Chandler.
And signed Jeremy Lin off the scrap heap.
And signed Jason Kidd.
And signed JR Smith for pennies.
And signed Steve Novak off the scrap heap.
And signed Pablo Prigioni.
And drafted Shumpert and Hardaway Jr. with bottom half of the 1st round picks.
The team won 54 fucking games in 2012-2013 with this guy running the team and 70 out of 100 over a 2 year span. When is that happening again?
will lose my fucking mind if Dolan gives up 1st round picks for Ujiri.
I don't see that happening - but if there's a point where someone says "I've finally had enough, I'm done with the Knicks," I think that'd be a pretty heavy straw.
will lose my fucking mind if Dolan gives up 1st round picks for Ujiri.
I don't see that happening - but if there's a point where someone says "I've finally had enough, I'm done with the Knicks," I think that'd be a pretty heavy straw.
Raptors beat guy Ryan Wolstat is pretty tied in and he insists they not only would need 1 1st it would be multiple. Even one first would make me absolutely bonkers. I think Bill Belichick is the only coach/exec worth a 1st round pick in any sport and the NBA 1sts are that much more valuable.
If he thinks it's ugly now,with all the jokes and criticism,I think it's only gonna get worse.
But for the NBA, I don't know the extent of which teams can block people from leaving for another job, be it equal or greater than their present job.
Anybody have insight?
walsh was awful
Yeah man, varied interests, gotta keep up. Don't forget my 1,040 followers!
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He seems to be the only guy running the team who had a good plan and tried to stay with it. Everyone else kept switching on the fly from playoff contending to rebuilding or visa versa. My big knock on Walsh was not moving up in the draft to get Curry but who knows if it was even doable or if Dolan got involved. But I thought with Walsh in the picture there was a professional running the team and Dolan firing him makes me think Dolan is the main screw up here. Is Walsh the one who cleared all the big crappy contracts years ago?
walsh was awful
Walsh was much better than Layden, Isiah, and Jackson.
I think in order, Phil's biggest mistakes were:
1) Organizational triangle mandate
2) Melo NTC
3) Noah contract
4) (If true) His willingness to bring Rose back.
I have a hard time taking seriously the argument that Melo's NTC was worse than the Noah contract. People are a little too nuts on the Melo issue IMO, as if Melo is the key malady holding this team back.
Kyle Lowry is 32 in March, Chris Paul is 33 in May. I have a hard time taking anyone seriously that wants Kyle Lowry for this team.
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He seems to be the only guy running the team who had a good plan and tried to stay with it. Everyone else kept switching on the fly from playoff contending to rebuilding or visa versa. My big knock on Walsh was not moving up in the draft to get Curry but who knows if it was even doable or if Dolan got involved. But I thought with Walsh in the picture there was a professional running the team and Dolan firing him makes me think Dolan is the main screw up here. Is Walsh the one who cleared all the big crappy contracts years ago?
walsh was awful
Walsh was much better than Layden, Isiah, and Jackson.
Walsh was better than all 3 combined. People forget he didn't want to trade for Melo. His biggest failure was not luring Lebron, which was due to a lot more than Walsh. The Amare deal wasn't great in sum, but put the Knicks back on the map and into contention at first. On balance, the best job done of any of these schmucks since Dolan took over.
The point is, by bringing back Melo Phil bet on himself that he could reach/motivate Melo to buy in. With the NTC he clearly didnt leave himself much of a safety net in the worst case scenario which eventually played out.
Everything Phil did was based on the premise that Melo bought into his system.
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He seems to be the only guy running the team who had a good plan and tried to stay with it. Everyone else kept switching on the fly from playoff contending to rebuilding or visa versa. My big knock on Walsh was not moving up in the draft to get Curry but who knows if it was even doable or if Dolan got involved. But I thought with Walsh in the picture there was a professional running the team and Dolan firing him makes me think Dolan is the main screw up here. Is Walsh the one who cleared all the big crappy contracts years ago?
walsh was awful
Walsh was much better than Layden, Isiah, and Jackson.
Walsh was better than all 3 combined. People forget he didn't want to trade for Melo. His biggest failure was not luring Lebron, which was due to a lot more than Walsh. The Amare deal wasn't great in sum, but put the Knicks back on the map and into contention at first. On balance, the best job done of any of these schmucks since Dolan took over.
that was his worst move?
how about trading crawford and zach randolph for nothing..
how about trading a first round pick to get ris of jefferies BEFORE he knew if he couks sign anyone...
how about being the biggest lous mouth when it came to the media, the guy had more leaks then titanic after getting hit by an iceberg...
how about trying to win games the 2 years before phil rather than just tanking for 2 years...
The point is, by bringing back Melo Phil bet on himself that he could reach/motivate Melo to buy in. With the NTC he clearly didnt leave himself much of a safety net in the worst case scenario which eventually played out.
Everything Phil did was based on the premise that Melo bought into his system.
I think bringing back Melo was a must (the Knicks were 100% not going to go into full rebuild anyway). Was the NTC unncessary? Maybe. But I think at the time that it was fairly assumed that Melo would waive it if the team didnt develop, and that it was really there to give him reasonable leverage on where he'd go next. I dont think anyone anticipated that he'd knock up some side piece, leading his wife to divorce him, and force him to want to stick around to be in the same city as his kid.
I think the Melo deal was a reasonable gamble. You have to evaluate decisions ex ante to some degree, and not just on whether they worked out. The Noah deal was just ridiculous. Too many years, too much money, too injured, and no appreciable upside because we simply arent in a contending window. So I think the order isnt the issue -- putting the Melo and Noah deals next to eachother is far too kind to the Noah deal.
Not only was nothing about him great, but he also cost us LeBron by being in that fucking wheelchair and slobbering all over the place during the presentation.
Not only was nothing about him great, but he also cost us LeBron by being in that fucking wheelchair and slobbering all over the place during the presentation.
I really think the issue was that the Heat cleared out the cap for 3 near-max contracts, and CAA represented all 3 guys and put it together.
Walsh's biggest mistake in courting Lebron, IMO, was jumping the gun. The Knicks open flirtation and cap clearing moves, which led to so much chatter, I think motivated other teams to get in on the LeBron sweepstakes. I cant prove that. But mostly I think Miami's salary cap, CAA, and already having Wade was the key here; Patty gets a bit too much credit.
That rumor has always bugged me and if that truly made a difference than LeBron James and his people are even bigger assholes than that process showed them to be.
Everything else was a dog and pony show so that LeBron could get his ego stroked.
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He seems to be the only guy running the team who had a good plan and tried to stay with it. Everyone else kept switching on the fly from playoff contending to rebuilding or visa versa. My big knock on Walsh was not moving up in the draft to get Curry but who knows if it was even doable or if Dolan got involved. But I thought with Walsh in the picture there was a professional running the team and Dolan firing him makes me think Dolan is the main screw up here. Is Walsh the one who cleared all the big crappy contracts years ago?
walsh was awful
Walsh was much better than Layden, Isiah, and Jackson.
Walsh was better than all 3 combined. People forget he didn't want to trade for Melo. His biggest failure was not luring Lebron, which was due to a lot more than Walsh. The Amare deal wasn't great in sum, but put the Knicks back on the map and into contention at first. On balance, the best job done of any of these schmucks since Dolan took over.
that was his worst move?
how about trading crawford and zach randolph for nothing..
how about trading a first round pick to get ris of jefferies BEFORE he knew if he couks sign anyone...
how about being the biggest lous mouth when it came to the media, the guy had more leaks then titanic after getting hit by an iceberg...
how about trying to win games the 2 years before phil rather than just tanking for 2 years...
You don't like his style, fine...but every move you cite was done to get us out of eternal cap hell, which he stated was his plan and he achieved.
Now, did he or anyone else succeed in building a winner from there? No...but that alone made him better than anyone before or since after about 199.
And knocking him for being in a wheelchair for the Lebron meeting is pretty pathetic. The fact Lebrons team of jerkoffs mocked him for that after was weak on their part, not a knock on Dolan.
Nobody is saying Walsh was Red Auerbach. Just that he was better than Layden, Isaiah and Jax
Amnestys Billups after picking up his option
All in 2 mins
In all fairness, Phil's advice in that picture is wise.
Amnestys Billups after picking up his option
All in 2 mins
I've always been partial to Ed Tapscott. During his 2 minutes as interim prez and GM he managed to use a 1st round pick on Frederic Weis. That's tough to top when it comes to sucking
Suckers.
Suckers.
You'd think by now we'd learn. Well played
Amnestys Billups after picking up his option
All in 2 mins
"afraid the facts mixed up"
Walsh picked up Billups' option. Grunwald was supposedly forced out because he was AGAINST the Bargs trade.
Sore subject.
Knicks could hire Putin next and this fan base is so broken we'd be like "let's see how this plays out"
Sore subject.
Yeah, I was just kidding around. That was some nonsense people were floating around around that time - I'm really just mocking the idea that it was what actually cost us LeBron. Obviously it wasn't.
I still didn't think much of Walsh, but... none of that really matters now.
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Guy was here 2 mins and traded for Bargs
Amnestys Billups after picking up his option
All in 2 mins
"afraid the facts mixed up"
Walsh picked up Billups' option. Grunwald was supposedly forced out because he was AGAINST the Bargs trade.
Grunwald was probably actually the most competent of the recent GM's here.
Grunwald was probably actually the most competent of the recent GM's here.
Exactly.
Amnestys Billups after picking up his option
All in 2 mins
And traded garbage for Tyson Chandler.
And signed Jeremy Lin off the scrap heap.
And signed Jason Kidd.
And signed JR Smith for pennies.
And signed Steve Novak off the scrap heap.
And signed Pablo Prigioni.
And drafted Shumpert and Hardaway Jr. with bottom half of the 1st round picks.
The team won 54 fucking games in 2012-2013 with this guy running the team and 70 out of 100 over a 2 year span. When is that happening again?
it was likely some awful combination of CAA influence, Dolan, and Mills.
I don't see that happening - but if there's a point where someone says "I've finally had enough, I'm done with the Knicks," I think that'd be a pretty heavy straw.
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will lose my fucking mind if Dolan gives up 1st round picks for Ujiri.
I don't see that happening - but if there's a point where someone says "I've finally had enough, I'm done with the Knicks," I think that'd be a pretty heavy straw.
Raptors beat guy Ryan Wolstat is pretty tied in and he insists they not only would need 1 1st it would be multiple. Even one first would make me absolutely bonkers. I think Bill Belichick is the only coach/exec worth a 1st round pick in any sport and the NBA 1sts are that much more valuable.