from the Philly Voice, an apparent rip-off of the Village Voice, just created a series of articles ripping-off Deadspin's annual "Why your team sucks." series. I guess it's hard to be original these days.
writes an article like this you have to take it for whats its worth, jealousy, whats surprising to me is that this guy writes like a Philly fan and puts his credibility on the line with a very biased article...
It's the "dumpster fire" part that's fucking stupid - but that's how you generate clicks.
If the article was titled "10 Reasons the Giants May Slightly Struggle this Year," most people probably wouldn't read it.
Teams like the Jets and 49ers are going to be dumpster fires.
Even if everything goes wrong and a lot of guys get hurt, the Giants still probably win 7 games. Hardly "dumpster fire" territory.
People keep saying "well, the OL is still weak" - and it's a valid point. But the problem is that people seem to operate under the assumption that there are teams out there without a sub-par unit.
Whether it be a DL, OL, secondary, QB, WR group, etc.. there isn't a team in this league that has depth and talent across the board. It's just the reality of the cap era.
I'd love for people to name teams that don't have question marks anywhere because the truth is that they don't exist.
The Falcons were a mind-boggling couple of play calls away from winning a Super Bowl this past February and their defense SUCKED last season.
don't get me wrong, there were more than a few instances last year where I said outloud "Eli really looks like dog shit" but we have all said stupid shit in the heat of battle. And that wasn't even close to the dumbest shit I and we all have said. Eli did have some shaky moments last year to be sure. But that doesn't mean there weren't mitigating factors or that his entire 2016 body of work doesn't stand up to pretty damn good.
HE had two legit players on offense and one was a rookie slot WR that couldn't take the top off a can of pringles let alone take the top off an offense. Shepard is a nice player and may improve but he wasn't saving this offense last year. No RBS to speak of. NO TEs on a historical level. An OL that at its best is probably average and then loses Pugh. Cmon. We are talking about a bad offensive roster here. Yet there was Eli putting up 2009 like stats. How the fuck was he terrible? He wasn't. He was OK. Flawed to be sure.
The offense has a shit load of room to improve with the new talent on board. Eli will do his thing once again. Sleep on him at your own peril.
how someone can proclaim that the D is likely to take a step back.
Based on what exactly? Why? The D is young across the board and gets two players back that were sorely needed from last December.
It's going to take a step back based on more injuries? So then how come the Dallas OL won't take a step back? Why won't they get hurt? And didn't the Giants D lose its best DE in late November? Didn't they lose their starting safety?
The D is in its prime. It's not going to regress unless a wave of injuries hit. EVERY single team will suffer the same fate!
The Giants' defense ranked #2 in the NFL in points against in 2016. That's the best they've ranked in that category since 1993, and only the fourth time they finished in single digits in that ranking since 2000.
They are absolutely likely to regress defensively.
While I agree that they likely take a step back what does 1993 have to do with anything? Surely you aren't suggesting that the players to the coach and GM being all different 24 years later is at all relevant...
I'm suggesting that the Giants are unlikely to replicate 2016.
But you're suggesting this based on complete nonsense. Give me something tangible and I will listen. Conjuring up 1993 is horse shit. It's crap.
If the D was aging or did things with mirrors last year I would agree. If they lost 2-3 players to retirement or FA i'd agree. None of this is true.
The D can "regress" because they play a tough schedule, or a supposed tougher schedule but it's the same talented unit. Good players are good players. The Giants will not regress but the stats could show a regression much like the 2006 Giants regressed from 2005.
Anything can happen next year. The entire D could be out by November and you would be proven right, but you could say the same thing for every team going. The Giants D is as stable a unit going right now. IT's got youth, talent and cohesion on its side. And that's a fact.
who says the Dallas O likely doesn't regress even though they have a 2nd year QB and a 2nd year RB and lost two starters along the OL. Dak could regress because 2nd year QBs do in fact regress quite often. Zeke likely doesn't. The OL likely plays close to the level it displayed last year.
I'm consistent. I don't bash the Dallas O and predict certain regression while praising the Giants D and looming dominance. And honestly, the Dallas O has more red flags than the Giants D does right now. Giants D lost one guy. Dallas O lost two. Right there alone...
2 reasons the Giants will beat the Cowboys asses again...
But to ignore what he was working with just isnt fair and is irresponsible writing.
I literally stopped reading when the guy claimed that Weston Richburg was their best OL last year. It also has Bobby Hart as the slated starter at RT. That MAY happen, but claiming he is the incumbent is just false.
I think given the young OL bodies we have brought in, at least one will surprise or maybe two. There is a very good possibility that our starting OL against Dallas might be very very different than what we are assuming it will be (Wheeler-Pugh-Richburg-Flowers-Bisnowaty?).
I think that's perception. It certainly wasn't 2014-2015 Eli, which were two of his best statistical seasons, but we got a very "Eli-like" season from him. It was the same as it always is, like djm said.
4000 yards, 26 TD's, 16 INT's, 63% comp, and 86 QBR. People talk about him like he was a scrub.
The only number that's a little down from his usual is the TD number, but beyond Beckham he had no viable WR's. The rest is par for the course.
then I don't know what to tell you. Stats dont tell the whole story. Eli was not good last year. Some of that is on the line. Some of that is on the skill players, but Eli was not good.
Used to be people would say "stats don't tell the whole story, Eli did what he needed to do when he needed to do it, he was better than the stats, what do your eyes tell you?"
to...
"stats don't tell the whole story, if you used your eyes you'd see he was no good no matter what the stats say..."
When the line sucks, Eli sucks. When the line is good, Eli is good. That's been pretty consistent throughout, no matter the skill players.
He also had to learn a new offense, along with most of his skill....
but I don't know how you can watch him and suggest he had a good season. He was not the same guy. He played scared. He's not a very mobile guy, so if he doesn't trust his line, it's not going to be pretty.
Stats never have told the whole story. Lets also remember that he has a guy in Odell that can take a 5 yard curl to the house often. That will help the stat line.
RE: I understand a lot of the reasons Eli had a bad season,
but I don't know how you can watch him and suggest he had a good season. He was not the same guy. He played scared. He's not a very mobile guy, so if he doesn't trust his line, it's not going to be pretty.
Stats never have told the whole story. Lets also remember that he has a guy in Odell that can take a 5 yard curl to the house often. That will help the stat line.
He played lights out to start that Green Bay game with everything on the line, and his skill players let him down.
then I don't know what to tell you. Stats dont tell the whole story. Eli was not good last year. Some of that is on the line. Some of that is on the skill players, but Eli was not good.
How do the stats, wins and losses and offensive talent not tell the whole story? They most certainly do.
Eli was Eli last year. He has some brutally bad moments but people were fooled by overrated misleading offenses from 14-15.
Yeah he had some bad games but he didnt suddenly forget how to play the QB position. As others have noted, the OL had a lot to do with it as well as basically only having OBJ for teams to worry about.
I think Eli can play better than last year talent surrounding him or not. But I don't think there was a significant drop off in his overall play at all. And considering the talent deficiencies I think it's fair to believe the poor stretches of play last year we aren't accustomed to were more an anomoly.
I think Eli can play better than last year talent surrounding him or not. But I don't think there was a significant drop off in his overall play at all. And considering the talent deficiencies I think it's fair to believe the poor stretches of play last year we aren't accustomed to were more an anomoly.
I concur. ELI didn't have enough around him to be consistent.
If the article was titled "10 Reasons the Giants May Slightly Struggle this Year," most people probably wouldn't read it.
Teams like the Jets and 49ers are going to be dumpster fires.
Even if everything goes wrong and a lot of guys get hurt, the Giants still probably win 7 games. Hardly "dumpster fire" territory.
People keep saying "well, the OL is still weak" - and it's a valid point. But the problem is that people seem to operate under the assumption that there are teams out there without a sub-par unit.
Whether it be a DL, OL, secondary, QB, WR group, etc.. there isn't a team in this league that has depth and talent across the board. It's just the reality of the cap era.
I'd love for people to name teams that don't have question marks anywhere because the truth is that they don't exist.
The Falcons were a mind-boggling couple of play calls away from winning a Super Bowl this past February and their defense SUCKED last season.
HE had two legit players on offense and one was a rookie slot WR that couldn't take the top off a can of pringles let alone take the top off an offense. Shepard is a nice player and may improve but he wasn't saving this offense last year. No RBS to speak of. NO TEs on a historical level. An OL that at its best is probably average and then loses Pugh. Cmon. We are talking about a bad offensive roster here. Yet there was Eli putting up 2009 like stats. How the fuck was he terrible? He wasn't. He was OK. Flawed to be sure.
The offense has a shit load of room to improve with the new talent on board. Eli will do his thing once again. Sleep on him at your own peril.
Based on what exactly? Why? The D is young across the board and gets two players back that were sorely needed from last December.
It's going to take a step back based on more injuries? So then how come the Dallas OL won't take a step back? Why won't they get hurt? And didn't the Giants D lose its best DE in late November? Didn't they lose their starting safety?
The D is in its prime. It's not going to regress unless a wave of injuries hit. EVERY single team will suffer the same fate!
Total crap.
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The Giants' defense ranked #2 in the NFL in points against in 2016. That's the best they've ranked in that category since 1993, and only the fourth time they finished in single digits in that ranking since 2000.
They are absolutely likely to regress defensively.
While I agree that they likely take a step back what does 1993 have to do with anything? Surely you aren't suggesting that the players to the coach and GM being all different 24 years later is at all relevant...
I'm suggesting that the Giants are unlikely to replicate 2016.
But you're suggesting this based on complete nonsense. Give me something tangible and I will listen. Conjuring up 1993 is horse shit. It's crap.
If the D was aging or did things with mirrors last year I would agree. If they lost 2-3 players to retirement or FA i'd agree. None of this is true.
The D can "regress" because they play a tough schedule, or a supposed tougher schedule but it's the same talented unit. Good players are good players. The Giants will not regress but the stats could show a regression much like the 2006 Giants regressed from 2005.
Anything can happen next year. The entire D could be out by November and you would be proven right, but you could say the same thing for every team going. The Giants D is as stable a unit going right now. IT's got youth, talent and cohesion on its side. And that's a fact.
I'm consistent. I don't bash the Dallas O and predict certain regression while praising the Giants D and looming dominance. And honestly, the Dallas O has more red flags than the Giants D does right now. Giants D lost one guy. Dallas O lost two. Right there alone...
Our offense got better, yours got worse.
Our defense got better, yours got worse.
Even a simpleton like you can do this kind of math.
I literally stopped reading when the guy claimed that Weston Richburg was their best OL last year. It also has Bobby Hart as the slated starter at RT. That MAY happen, but claiming he is the incumbent is just false.
I think given the young OL bodies we have brought in, at least one will surprise or maybe two. There is a very good possibility that our starting OL against Dallas might be very very different than what we are assuming it will be (Wheeler-Pugh-Richburg-Flowers-Bisnowaty?).
Just a dumb article by a dumb writer.
4000 yards, 26 TD's, 16 INT's, 63% comp, and 86 QBR. People talk about him like he was a scrub.
The only number that's a little down from his usual is the TD number, but beyond Beckham he had no viable WR's. The rest is par for the course.
Used to be people would say "stats don't tell the whole story, Eli did what he needed to do when he needed to do it, he was better than the stats, what do your eyes tell you?"
to...
"stats don't tell the whole story, if you used your eyes you'd see he was no good no matter what the stats say..."
When the line sucks, Eli sucks. When the line is good, Eli is good. That's been pretty consistent throughout, no matter the skill players.
And no, that was nowhere near the same offense that we saw in 2014-2015.
Stats never have told the whole story. Lets also remember that he has a guy in Odell that can take a 5 yard curl to the house often. That will help the stat line.
Stats never have told the whole story. Lets also remember that he has a guy in Odell that can take a 5 yard curl to the house often. That will help the stat line.
He played lights out to start that Green Bay game with everything on the line, and his skill players let him down.
How do the stats, wins and losses and offensive talent not tell the whole story? They most certainly do.
Eli was Eli last year. He has some brutally bad moments but people were fooled by overrated misleading offenses from 14-15.
Him being scared is not one of the reasons.
I don't go by statistics as much as I go by wins. Lol.
I truly believe our OT play improves to "average" at least; especially with blocking TE Ellison playing where he is needed.
Finally, we have better skill position players now.
11-5 if we stay fairly healthy.
He is a smart guy and knew last year the Defense would carry them thru. But they had flaws too and they fell short as such.
Let's see how they come together as a team this season...