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Rookie sensations who turned out to be Fool's Gold...

Milton : 6/29/2017 12:44 am
There are many just assuming Dak Prescott and Ezekiel Elliott will only get better, but that isn't always the case and there's actually a long list of examples to attest to that. From Rick Mirer to Bob Griffin at QB and from Ricky Ervins to Todd Gurley at RB.

They say that players make their most significant leap from their rookie year to their second year, but it's far from set in stone. There are many, many examples of players who never duplicated their rookie success and it has nothing to do with injuries or outside issues. Sometimes it's simply a case of the league figuring them out. I still don't understand how Nick Foles could go from the Pro Bowl season he had in year two to the afterthought he ultimately became.

I actually like Prescott and wish him well, albeit not as an NFL QB. He seems like a high character guy to me. As for Elliott, what a fucking dick. He is in for a rude awakening this year. He has a "comeuppance" written all over him.
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Naw,  
grizz299 : 6/29/2017 8:17 am : link
nothing there like these two...not in talent, dedication or surrounding cast. They are brilliant players in a good spot. Live with it.
League catches up with guys, especially QBs  
weeg in the bronx : 6/29/2017 8:24 am : link
Coaches always catch up with the flavor of the month. An off season of film review and planning expose flaws and weaknesses.
Does Jeremy Shockey fit in this discussion?  
Sarcastic Sam : 6/29/2017 8:58 am : link
Don't kill the questioner.

As a rookie he had 74 receptions for 894 yards. Never matched those numbers again, although he came close in 2005.
Michael Clayton  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 6/29/2017 9:06 am : link
killed a fantasy season for me
Foles, Vince Young, and Slaton are good ones  
Eric on Li : 6/29/2017 9:08 am : link
Lee Evans was another guy like that. Laron Landry looked like he was going to be a star and then quickly became a juiced up bust. David Boston had a similar trajectory. With QB's Charlie Batch's first year on the Lions looked like he was going to be a star and he quickly fell back down to earth. Kaepernick similarly went from sensation to unemployed quickly and that's mostly due to not being a good QB. Matt Cassell with the Pats obviously ended up sucking once he got dealt away. It happens pretty frequently. When teams win 10+ games everyone looks a lot better than they do whenever they inevitably come back down to earth in subsequent years.
Trent Richardson is another good recent example  
Eric on Li : 6/29/2017 9:10 am : link
his first year in Cleveland he looked like he was going to be a beast.
Griffin was the worst case I've ever seen.  
an_idol_mind : 6/29/2017 9:21 am : link
People were convinced he was the next big thing. The media and the NFL as a whole blew him so hard.

I remember that stupid fumble he had against the Giants that got recovered by somebody else and run in for a TD praised as brilliance on his part.
This is only an impression, but this seems to happen a lot with QBs  
DonQuixote : 6/29/2017 9:55 am : link
Maybe what happens is teams begin to scheme for them and take things away. They either rise to the challenge, or not.
Colin Kaepernick  
Jay on the Island : 6/29/2017 9:59 am : link
I remember Ron Jaworski stating that Kaepernick would become the best QB of all time not just the best in the NFL.
Sean Bennett  
lugnut : 6/29/2017 10:39 am : link
I remember he had one good run in preseason and people here were salivating for months afterward.
I've got one from another sport a long time ago  
njm : 6/29/2017 10:47 am : link
Mark Fidrych
Bears corner Fuller  
est1986 : 6/29/2017 11:03 am : link
Think he won DROY and then fell all the way off.
Every Broncos..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/29/2017 11:04 am : link
RB in the years following Terrell Davis
RE: Foles, Vince Young, and Slaton are good ones  
Bleedin Blue : 6/29/2017 11:45 am : link
In comment 13514641 Eric on Li said:
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Lee Evans was another guy like that. Laron Landry looked like he was going to be a star and then quickly became a juiced up bust. David Boston had a similar trajectory. With QB's Charlie Batch's first year on the Lions looked like he was going to be a star and he quickly fell back down to earth. Kaepernick similarly went from sensation to unemployed quickly and that's mostly due to not being a good QB. Matt Cassell with the Pats obviously ended up sucking once he got dealt away. It happens pretty frequently. When teams win 10+ games everyone looks a lot better than they do whenever they inevitably come back down to earth in subsequent years.


Wait, Nick Foles never amounted to anything??? He's NOT in the HOF???
Talking QBs  
Reale01 : 6/29/2017 12:10 pm : link
Griffin
Mirer
Foles
Freeman

Wentz?
Dak?

I know I missed some.
Kaepernick Young  
Reale01 : 6/29/2017 12:11 pm : link
Missed at least two
RGIII  
Giants86 : 6/29/2017 12:19 pm : link
I figured we were in for it at least for the next 7-10 years.
To me he is the most obvious one. As far as Giants go it would have to be Steve Smith. I loved him as a player. Just a shame that those injuries did him in.
RE: I don't think Wilson was fools gold.  
David in LA : 6/29/2017 12:54 pm : link
In comment 13514589 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Didn't he have a neck injury that really derailed his game?


Ernie Accorsi mentioned him in his book, saying he was an excellent prospect, but worried about his size, and if his body could hold up in the NFL. Turns out he was right.
Rashaan Salaam looked like he was well on his way  
David in LA : 6/29/2017 12:58 pm : link
to a solid career, and then fell off after his rookie season.
Based off their rookie seasons...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/29/2017 1:17 pm : link
I thought George Adams and Thomas Randolph were going to be studs.
RE: Based off their rookie seasons...  
Milton : 6/29/2017 2:07 pm : link
In comment 13514990 Eric from BBI said:
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I thought George Adams and Thomas Randolph were going to be studs.
Yeah, of the two 2nd round picks that year, Randolph appeared the stud and Sehorn the stiff. And then they moved Sehorn from safety to corner.
RB-Butch Woolfolk  
GeorgeAdams33 : 6/29/2017 6:48 pm : link
K-Ali Haji-Sheikk
Haji-Sheikh  
GeorgeAdams33 : 6/29/2017 6:49 pm : link
^
RE: Not a sensation but Jaquain Williams looked nice for a 6th round Uber  
annexOPR : 6/29/2017 6:49 pm : link
In comment 13514556 DennyInDenville said:
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Athlete

But he regressed, got hurt and never materialized. I had him pegged as the next armstead.

Hmm.


Ha. I thought I was the only 1 ... really high hopes for JW
the "wildcat" offense  
annexOPR : 6/29/2017 6:51 pm : link
...

what a joke.
Ronnie Brown  
chopperhatch : 6/29/2017 7:20 pm : link
I seem to remember started out great and then fell off quickly.

Tim Couch seemed to be trending well, but injuries ate him up.

Roy Williams, everybody thought he was going to be a monster. All he could do was hit. LaRon Landry a similar case drafted in the top ten.

Courtney Brown. Dion Jones. Charles Rogers. Justin Gilbert and Greg Robinson recently.

For us? Tyrone Wheatley, William Joseph, Derek Brown, Aaron Pierce, Tim Carter.
Ron Dixon  
annexOPR : 6/29/2017 7:37 pm : link
I thought he'd be a thing for awhile.
RE: Trent Richardson is another good recent example  
annexOPR : 6/29/2017 7:40 pm : link
In comment 13514642 Eric on Li said:
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his first year in Cleveland he looked like he was going to be a beast.


I remember owning him in fantasy his rookie year ... and avoiding him like the plague after actually watching the games.

fantasy football really inflated his rookie season. he didn't even run for 1000 yards. terrible YPC. lots of cheap/short TDs and game logs filled with awful performances in between good "fantasy days"

I'm shocked he sucked SOOOO badly after, but he was so overrated after that "stud" rookie season.

'I actually like Prescott and wish him well'...  
Torrag : 6/29/2017 11:10 pm : link
...why the fuck would you do that? Are you a Giants fan? If you are you don't hope the Cowboys have found a franchise QB for the next decade. C'mon man. Very disappointing attitude. Seriously. I'm not kidding. Get your priorities in order mate or turn in your Giants card 'cuz you're a poser.
David Wilson  
djm : 6/30/2017 12:08 am : link
..and don't tell me injuries. He's the very definition of fools gold. I feel for the guy but he looked like Tarzan but played like Jane outside a few kick and punt returns. Maybe he would have been great but he sure as hell wasnt that first year plus a few games. He flashed just enough shine. Fools gold.
RE: 'I actually like Prescott and wish him well'...  
chopperhatch : 6/30/2017 12:15 am : link
In comment 13515547 Torrag said:
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...why the fuck would you do that? Are you a Giants fan? If you are you don't hope the Cowboys have found a franchise QB for the next decade. C'mon man. Very disappointing attitude. Seriously. I'm not kidding. Get your priorities in order mate or turn in your Giants card 'cuz you're a poser.


You gotta lighten up dude.
RE: David Wilson  
chopperhatch : 6/30/2017 12:17 am : link
In comment 13515619 djm said:
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..and don't tell me injuries. He's the very definition of fools gold. I feel for the guy but he looked like Tarzan but played like Jane outside a few kick and punt returns. Maybe he would have been great but he sure as hell wasnt that first year plus a few games. He flashed just enough shine. Fools gold.


Eh, I honestly thpught he was the goods. His injury was truly devastating. His burst and one cut ability were something to watch. He looked awesome.
David Wilson couldn't find a hole with GPS  
Greg from LI : 6/30/2017 12:20 am : link
.
RE: David Wilson couldn't find a hole with GPS  
chopperhatch : 6/30/2017 12:24 am : link
In comment 13515642 Greg from LI said:
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How do satellites detect holes for a man to run through?

;-)
RE: 'I actually like Prescott and wish him well'...  
Milton : 6/30/2017 3:13 am : link
In comment 13515547 Torrag said:
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...why the fuck would you do that? Are you a Giants fan? If you are you don't hope the Cowboys have found a franchise QB for the next decade. C'mon man. Very disappointing attitude. Seriously. I'm not kidding. Get your priorities in order mate or turn in your Giants card 'cuz you're a poser.
What can I say, old age has fucked up my sense of right and wrong. Just the other day I posted something favorable about a Mets prospect (Tim Tebow) and I'm a Yankees fan. The old Milton (who ironically was the young Milton) never would have done that. The only time I ever rooted for the Baltimore Orioles was when they played the Mets in the '69 World Series. I was only nine years old at the time but I had my priorities straight back then!
.....  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 6/30/2017 9:26 am : link
Michael Johnson saw at lot of playing time at safety for that 2007 superbowl team as a late round pick.

Never did much after that
RE: C'mon guys  
dboom : 6/30/2017 10:40 am : link
There is literally nothing that Dak Prescott does well as a QB. With an offseason of film preparation opposing defenses are going to destroy him this year.
RE: RE: C'mon guys  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/30/2017 12:17 pm : link
In comment 13515922 dboom said:
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There is literally nothing that Dak Prescott does well as a QB. With an offseason of film preparation opposing defenses are going to destroy him this year.



Making him out to be incompetent is dishonest.
RE: David Wilson couldn't find a hole with GPS  
Brown Recluse : 6/30/2017 12:34 pm : link
In comment 13515642 Greg from LI said:
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Here we go. Haha.
RE: RE: David Wilson  
djm : 6/30/2017 12:49 pm : link
In comment 13515637 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 13515619 djm said:


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..and don't tell me injuries. He's the very definition of fools gold. I feel for the guy but he looked like Tarzan but played like Jane outside a few kick and punt returns. Maybe he would have been great but he sure as hell wasnt that first year plus a few games. He flashed just enough shine. Fools gold.



Eh, I honestly thpught he was the goods. His injury was truly devastating. His burst and one cut ability were something to watch. He looked awesome.


He was benched and lost his second season due to being a mess with the ball in his hands but you wonder if the light ever would have come on. He was an insane talent to be sure.
RE: RE: C'mon guys  
djm : 6/30/2017 12:51 pm : link
In comment 13515922 dboom said:
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There is literally nothing that Dak Prescott does well as a QB. With an offseason of film preparation opposing defenses are going to destroy him this year.


How can you watch the dude play last year and say that?

Watch the games objectively. Dak was very good last year for Dallas. HE might regress. He might never approach his rookie campaign ever again. But make no mistake, Dak was the goods last year.
RGIII  
UberAlias : 6/30/2017 1:31 pm : link
Is a perfect example.
Mike Anderson  
UberAlias : 6/30/2017 1:39 pm : link
RB Denver
RE: Sean Bennett  
holmancomedown : 6/30/2017 2:17 pm : link
In comment 13514739 lugnut said:
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I remember he had one good run in preseason and people here were salivating for months afterward.


Wow Sean Bennett. I remember him and I do remember that run in the preseason. I believe it was something like sixty yards and thought wow this guys gonna be good. Then was injured and released I believe. Think this was 1998 or 99'.
RE: RGIII  
djm : 6/30/2017 3:02 pm : link
In comment 13516196 UberAlias said:
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Is a perfect example.


Indeed.
But RG was injured  
mattlawson : 6/30/2017 7:50 pm : link
To me for this thing to be legit he can't have a career threatening injury.
RE: But RG was injured  
Milton : 6/30/2017 7:56 pm : link
In comment 13516582 mattlawson said:
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To me for this thing to be legit he can't have a career threatening injury.
But was it really career-threatening? His problems as a QB have nothing to do with any reduced athletic ability and everything to do with his inability to read defenses.
'but I had my priorities straight back then!'...  
Torrag : 6/30/2017 8:04 pm : link
So your blaming the onset of senility?
RE: 'but I had my priorities straight back then!'...  
Milton : 6/30/2017 8:33 pm : link
In comment 13516590 Torrag said:
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So you're blaming the onset of senility?
Bingo!
p.s.--Did somebody say Bingo? - ( New Window )
stop listing guys who had major injuries  
xtian : 7/2/2017 2:39 pm : link
so many are giving guys who had a major careering altering or ending injury as proof: completely foolish and not applicable.

it is true that the league will find player's weaknesses or find out what they do best and try to take that away. the really good players adjust. they still have a dynamite OL. also the coaches who set and call the plays are a factor. this will affect prescott more than elliott. prescott does have calm feet in the pocket, but he didn't have too many games where he had to throw the team to victory in the fourth quarter. we will find out, eventually.
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