The more I hear and see of this guy, the more he comes off just looking for ways to be controversial. For the 4th of July, instead of celebrating Independence Day, he tweeted out this nugget:
| In a quest to find my personal independence, I had to find out where my ancestors came from. I set out tracing my African ancestral roots, and it lead me to Ghana. Upon finding out this information, I wanted to visit the sites responsible for myself (and many other Black folks in the African Diaspora) for being forced into the hells of the middle passage. I wanted to see a fraction of what they saw before reaching the point of no return. |
Even if one to ignore the obvious ignorance(or planned message) of wearing a Fidel shirt while talking about oppression or wearing socks with pigs on them, in what bizarro world has Kaep been forced into the hells of middle passage?
I'm not going to go on some jingoistic rant because part of being free here is being able to voice your opinion, but if you're going to keep voicing opinions that are factually unsound or show an ignorance to historical figures or history, you still have the freedom to say it - and others have the freedom to call you a moron.
Meanwhile, this is just another episode that seems to indicate where Kaep's priorities are. But I have to say, if given the choice between being a football player or a champion for the rights of blacks, he's not very good at either role.
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Hence the feeling he's being blacklisted by the league. You're saying he's not going to be a back up QB in this league BECAUSE of his 'baggage'.
I'm not trying to imply that these teams don't have the right to do so... but that doesn't change the reason why he doesn't have a job right now.
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He is not good enough to start anymore, and no one is going to put up with a backup QB with his baggage...
Hence the feeling he's being blacklisted by the league. You're saying he's not going to be a back up QB in this league BECAUSE of his 'baggage'.
I'm not trying to imply that these teams don't have the right to do so... but that doesn't change the reason why he doesn't have a job right now.
IMO and it's just my opinion, I respect everyone's opinionon this, it's a combination of the lack of talent and publicity.
If it was a scale it would be 80% talent and 20% media circus.
but it starts with talent, if he had the talent to be a capable and successful starting QB in the NFL he'd have a job today.
But I do think it's ok to not want a backup QB holding a clipboard on your sideline that is going to be a constant, or even occasional, distraction to your team. If that's means he's blackballed by your definition then I concede, but I feel blackballed is a more collusive effort to keep someone out. In Kaepernick's case I think each team evaluated and decided individually and reached the same conclusion...not worth it.
Things could change, but I don't think it's wrong for teams to not want him as their backup.
I also think to a lesser extent it's why Tim Tebow is playing baseball now. Tebow has more playoff victories than many starting QB's, but he's awful. Not a viable starting QB. But is he worse than all the backups in the league right now? I don't know. If there was no media circus around him I feel like there is a better chance he'd be on an NFL roster today.
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He is not good enough to start anymore, and no one is going to put up with a backup QB with his baggage...
Hence the feeling he's being blacklisted by the league. You're saying he's not going to be a back up QB in this league BECAUSE of his 'baggage'.
I'm not trying to imply that these teams don't have the right to do so... but that doesn't change the reason why he doesn't have a job right now.
IMO and it's just my opinion, I respect everyone's opinionon this, it's a combination of the lack of talent and publicity.
If it was a scale it would be 80% talent and 20% media circus.
but it starts with talent, if he had the talent to be a capable and successful starting QB in the NFL he'd have a job today.
But I do think it's ok to not want a backup QB holding a clipboard on your sideline that is going to be a constant, or even occasional, distraction to your team. If that's means he's blackballed by your definition then I concede, but I feel blackballed is a more collusive effort to keep someone out. In Kaepernick's case I think each team evaluated and decided individually and reached the same conclusion...not worth it.
Things could change, but I don't think it's wrong for teams to not want him as their backup.
I also think to a lesser extent it's why Tim Tebow is playing baseball now. Tebow has more playoff victories than many starting QB's, but he's awful. Not a viable starting QB. But is he worse than all the backups in the league right now? I don't know. If there was no media circus around him I feel like there is a better chance he'd be on an NFL roster today.
Fair enough.
My scale would probably be more 30% talent/70% other media circus.
I see what you're saying and saying he's being 'blackballed' does seem to imply that there is some collusion going on between teams and I don't think THAT'S the case... but I can't think of another word to describe what I believe is happening to him.
And again, I honestly don't have much of a problem with how teams are treating him. Although I don't agree with it... I'm a big proponent of 'you make your bed, now lie in it.'. Kaep said himself that he knew he was going to catch hell for what he was doing and he was willing to risk the consequences in order to make his point. Now that those consequences have shown themselves, you can't cry now about it and say it's not fair.
I also lost a bit of respect for him when he (among other things he said that I question... like the pig socks for instance) said he'll no longer kneel for the anthem if he gets picked up by another team. I don't believe a guy like Nelson Madela said 'Ok... if I don't have to go to jail again... I'll change my stance on apartheid in this country.'. If you feel as strongly about a particular issue... as he claimed to be... saying he'll kneel until he sees police brutality and other injustices stop in this country... you don't turn around and say 'Sike!' because you no longer have a job now. You stick with it and if you don't get picked up... hey, you knew the risk. But if you valued your job and money that much... maybe you shouldn't have knelt in the first place?
Even with all the above said, I still support Kaep in his efforts because they affect me, my family and friends a great deal. But... as I've been saying since it was first exposed about him kneeling... I think his words and actions haven't been very well thought out and now, unfortunately for him, he's paying the price for it.
Likewise.
Except when it comes to Fantasy Football. Your opinions suck donkey balls there.
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and as usual on topics like this you make me think of things differently and I appreciate the time you take to respond.
Likewise.
Except when it comes to Fantasy Football. Your opinions suck donkey balls there.
Well when you're in 75 leagues like you, you're bound to win every now and then.
kmed said he's reviving the BBI league, are you in? What's one more league?
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and as usual on topics like this you make me think of things differently and I appreciate the time you take to respond.
Likewise.
Except when it comes to Fantasy Football. Your opinions suck donkey balls there.
Well when you're in 75 leagues like you, you're bound to win every now and then.
kmed said he's reviving the BBI league, are you in? What's one more league?
LMAO! Touche'
You bet!
Lol, maybe j/o'll go visit the Dhali Lama & come back & enlighten all of us.
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and he's not a very good QB.
He's not being blacklisted because of his comments - this is a league who's PR machine works to keep convicted dog killers, rapists, drunk drivers and woman beaters employed. You really think if a team wanted Kaepernick they couldn't find a way to spin his comments down and get him on the field?
Too many people concern themselves with color, but the wrong ones. It's not black, brown or white - it's green. If someone could profit off his play, he'd be out there tomorrow.
Except that our very own team's owner pretty much came out and admitted that they wouldn't consider signing Kaep because of the negative mail he's gotten over him.
I think those who've been saying it's a combination of both are correct.. it's because of his comments/actions AND because he's not seen as a top tier QB. More than the former than the latter.
If Kaep never kneels during the anthem... he's on a roster right now.
T-Bone, don't be quick to believe what some of these guys say. Mara seems like a good enough guy, but he had Josh Brown on the payroll.
If Kaepernick was good enough, someone - if not Mara, then someone else, would be willing to give him a shot. Right now, he's in the same bucket Tebow would be - the player isn't good enough to warrant the PR damage he'd incur.
America is about freedom, the best military in the history of the world and the best athletes in the world, the bravest people. Takes no bravery to turn tail and head to Ghana IMO.
America is about freedom, the best military in the history of the world and the best athletes in the world, the bravest people. Takes no bravery to turn tail and head to Ghana IMO.
LMAO!!!!
Wait... you were serious?
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and he's not a very good QB.
He's not being blacklisted because of his comments - this is a league who's PR machine works to keep convicted dog killers, rapists, drunk drivers and woman beaters employed. You really think if a team wanted Kaepernick they couldn't find a way to spin his comments down and get him on the field?
Too many people concern themselves with color, but the wrong ones. It's not black, brown or white - it's green. If someone could profit off his play, he'd be out there tomorrow.
Except that our very own team's owner pretty much came out and admitted that they wouldn't consider signing Kaep because of the negative mail he's gotten over him.
I think those who've been saying it's a combination of both are correct.. it's because of his comments/actions AND because he's not seen as a top tier QB. More than the former than the latter.
If Kaep never kneels during the anthem... he's on a roster right now.
T-Bone, don't be quick to believe what some of these guys say. Mara seems like a good enough guy, but he had Josh Brown on the payroll.
If Kaepernick was good enough, someone - if not Mara, then someone else, would be willing to give him a shot. Right now, he's in the same bucket Tebow would be - the player isn't good enough to warrant the PR damage he'd incur.
jcn - if being 'good enough' was truly enough, if I was a HC or GM I'd think I'd take my chances with Kaep over the likes of many of the backup QBs from in the league right now. But because of his actions, it appears no one will hire him. As I told pj, because there doesn't appear to be any true collusion between the teams in the league I'll stop a bit short of saying he's being blackballed... but he's being punished for something he did which kind of fits the description but perhaps not the definition completely. I don't like the Tebow comparison because he really just wasn't a good QB... meanwhile there was a time when Kaep was referred to as the 'next big thing'... don't think Tebow was ever thought of that highly while in the league..
I really don't think too many teams have a QB as a backup who is truly the starter in waiting or even a guy they want to be the starter anytime soon. Why?? Because they don't need teh constant battle in practice with the backup trying to earn a starting spot. They don't want the controversy. They want the backup to carry a clipboard, work out the 2nd stringers, and be there for an emergency. They don't want him to be the focus of attention, either on game day or during the week.
Kaep will be the focus of attention.
I really don't think too many teams have a QB as a backup who is truly the starter in waiting or even a guy they want to be the starter anytime soon. Why?? Because they don't need teh constant battle in practice with the backup trying to earn a starting spot. They don't want the controversy. They want the backup to carry a clipboard, work out the 2nd stringers, and be there for an emergency. They don't want him to be the focus of attention, either on game day or during the week.
Kaep will be the focus of attention.
So now he's too good to be a backup?
Look... either he's not good enough to be a backup (and isn't mainly because of his actions) or he's too good to be a backup and is not worth it to a team like the Texans (supposedly one of the few teams that's a 'QB away' from being Super Bowl contender) because of his actions. Either way... I'm saying that it's just short of a fact that if Kaep never kneeled he'd be on a team right now.
And again, I really don't blame the owners for not wanting to deal with the headaches bringing him in will cause but that doesn't mean you shouldn't call it what it is. It's almost as if the thought of the league blacklisting someone is just so crazy to fathom that some don't want to call it what it is, particularly when not to long ago our very own owner admitted as much.
Also, the comment Mara shouldn't be believed because he signed Brown kind of makes this whole thing look even worse IMO. As has been said before, beat your wife... we'll sign ya even if you're just a kicker! But don't stand for the anthem? Oh HELL NO... the backlash would be too great. That says much more about us as a society than anything else.
Look at the backup QB's the Giants have had. Jason Garrett, David Carr, Ryan Nassib, Curtis Painter, Jared Lorenzen. People aren't really going to have an argument to say those QB's were the next best QB available to them in the pool of QB's are they? Just look at how people still talk about the bad blood with Kurt Warner when his role became as a backup.
The Pats had Matt Cassel as a backup - once he took over for an injured Brady, he didn't go back to backup, he tried to go and ve a starter elsewhere, with mixed results. Guys like that are all over the place. Rob Johnson? Josh McCown? Brandon Weeden? These guys aren't the best out of the pool of QB's in the universe.
Once the starter is ousted, if they have a pedigree, they aren't often backups for long. They fade out of the league. Is Vince Young backing anyone up? That's why when your starter goes down, like Tony Romo did - you're fucked.
I won't even get into the argument that there's really only about a 1/4th of the teams that have serious questions about the position, so they have no desire to bring a QB in to challenge.
Like who? And even better, like who that had the same amount of success in his past?
I agree... I also agree that there aren't that many teams out there that don't already have an established starter and are happy with the backup QB they have behind them (I've used that very same argument a few weeks ago). But what about teams like the Texans? The Jets? The Browns? Those are three teams where Kaep is not only better than the backups but, based on past history, is better than the starters! But... because of his political stances and actions... he won't even get a call from any of these teams.
In all of those cases though Eli was the established starter. I've already agreed with you that it wouldn't make much sense for Kaep to go to a team with an established starter already unless that starter is truly 'established' as the starter no matter way (like in Seattle).
But he WOULD'VE gone back to being a back up but Belichick... be Belichick... was able to flip him for a 1st round pick. It wasn't like Cassel was released and free to join whatever team he wanted. He was traded.
Which is my point. Kaep... I'd tend to think... would be considered a better player than all three of them based on his past play... as he should be considered a better player than several of the backups currently in the league.
I have no argument for the rest of your post.
In fact Collins skidded out in Carolina and started on NYG as a backup.
NINEster said it best. Hard to say how much of it is on him vs a bad team/situation regarding his career development.
He'd certainly be worth a risk for a few teams without the baggage.
America is about freedom, the best military in the history of the world and the best athletes in the world, the bravest people. Takes no bravery to turn tail and head to Ghana IMO.
How the hell did I miss this gem?
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He deserves his fate because white people are the arbiters of what is right and wrong in American society. That's because we have been here the longest - please don't make it about race.
America is about freedom, the best military in the history of the world and the best athletes in the world, the bravest people. Takes no bravery to turn tail and head to Ghana IMO.
How the hell did I miss this gem?
Whaddup coach!
Either you're not the only one or everyone else is doing probably the smart thing and just ignoring it. I've noticed he's had a habit of posting stuff like this on here.
Yeah... he also had this gem on the 'Colin Kaepernick's job prospects' thread as well:
LCtheINTMachine : 6/19/2017 12:33 pm : link : reply
He hurt himself while the plus side is that no black player will ever speak up again - and nor should they. They are being paid millions of dollars to damage their brains so they aren't the smartest tools in the shed anyway.
*shrugs shoulders*
Very strange poster.
I don't think its because of some mentality that teams don't want capable back-ups.
As others have said, Michael Vick, Trent Green, Matt Schaub, Matt Hasselbeck, Ryan Fitzpatrick... etc have all taken backup positions.
By all accounts, Kaepernick isn't demanding starters money nor is he making waves that he must start on his new team. So I just don't by that logic.
If I am a tanking team I would definitely sign him- especially if I run a precision passing game
If I am a tanking team I would definitely sign him- especially if I run a precision passing game
I'm not sure if you can definitively state this as a fact. He's only worked under two different offensive schemes (I believe) and one of them has proven not to be all that effective in the NFL or else the guy who brought it here (Chip Kelly) would still have a job. If given the chance to run another offense and he bombs, then I probably wouldn't argue.
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And he diminished his skill set when he lost his physicality.
If I am a tanking team I would definitely sign him- especially if I run a precision passing game
I'm not sure if you can definitively state this as a fact. He's only worked under two different offensive schemes (I believe) and one of them has proven not to be all that effective in the NFL or else the guy who brought it here (Chip Kelly) would still have a job. If given the chance to run another offense and he bombs, then I probably wouldn't argue.
Granted his team was awful, but he did lose his starters job to Blaine Gabbert under Jim Tomsula:
On Wednesday, coach Jim Tomsula offered a similar explanation, calling the benching "a tough decision but I feel it's the direction we need to go." And adding that the move will hopefully benefit Kaepernick in the long run because it will allow him to "step back and breathe and look at things through a different lens."
"I felt like this was the direction we needed to go," Tomsula continued, via NFL.com. "In no way is 2-6 all on Colin Kaepernick. That's on all of us. This is a guy I think has talent ... I just want him to step back, keep working."
I think this tweet sums up Kaepernick's lofty status and descent pretty humorously.
and this benching was pre-kneeling.
2012: "Colin Kaepernick is better than Russell Wilson"
2013: "Theyre equals"
2014: "RW is better"
2015: "Blaine Gabbert is better than Kap"
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And he diminished his skill set when he lost his physicality.
If I am a tanking team I would definitely sign him- especially if I run a precision passing game
I'm not sure if you can definitively state this as a fact. He's only worked under two different offensive schemes (I believe) and one of them has proven not to be all that effective in the NFL or else the guy who brought it here (Chip Kelly) would still have a job. If given the chance to run another offense and he bombs, then I probably wouldn't argue.
Granted his team was awful, but he did lose his starters job to Blaine Gabbert under Jim Tomsula:
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Colin Kaepernick has hit rock bottom. After an abysmal start to the season, he has been benched (mercifully, some might say) for Blaine Gabbert. Yes, the very same Blaine Gabbert who was drafted 10th overall by the Jaguars and made 27 mostly forgettable starts before he was traded to the 49ers for a sixth-round pick in March 2014.
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But Kaepernick had been that bad. Through two months, he ranked 32nd among all starting quarterbacks, according to Football Outsiders (that's a list that includes out-of-work Ryan Mallet), and as recently as last week former 49ers great Jerry Rice called for Kaepernick to grab some pine, at least for a while, "to energize the team."
On Wednesday, coach Jim Tomsula offered a similar explanation, calling the benching "a tough decision but I feel it's the direction we need to go." And adding that the move will hopefully benefit Kaepernick in the long run because it will allow him to "step back and breathe and look at things through a different lens."
"I felt like this was the direction we needed to go," Tomsula continued, via NFL.com. "In no way is 2-6 all on Colin Kaepernick. That's on all of us. This is a guy I think has talent ... I just want him to step back, keep working."
I think this tweet sums up Kaepernick's lofty status and descent pretty humorously.
and this benching was pre-kneeling.
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2012: "Colin Kaepernick is better than Russell Wilson"
2013: "Theyre equals"
2014: "RW is better"
2015: "Blaine Gabbert is better than Kap"
10:48 PM - 2 Nov 2015
Perhaps (although I believe another poster was right in stating that Kaep missed a lot of the off-season practices recovering from an injury... we both may be wrong about that though)... but it wasn't like Gabbert started lighting it up himself or playing THAT much better when given the starting nod. My only point is that there have been QBs who've achieved a lot less than Kaep did early in his career who'd been given more than two (or three tops) chances to continue their careers after sucking at a particular stop. I could maybe more readily accept you and hitdog's point if he didn't enjoy the early success that he did but that's not the case.
Kaep deserves another shot and if not for his antics, he'd have one.
In either case I don't disagree from a talent standpoint he may deserve another shot - comparatively speaking to other backups and maybe even some low-end starters, but fact is it boils down to what I've been saying all along a) he's just not that talented and b) because he's not that talented no one wants to put up with the media circus that will come with him.
anyone who has played organized sports at anything beyond a youth level knows that coaches hate distractions. It's the bane of their existence and they preach unity, teamwork, cohesiveness, chemistry, etc, and regardless of your views, Kaepernick will create a distraction.
If this was Odell Beckham, Russell Wilson, Richard Sherman, JJ Watt, etc. or even the other players who kneeled but actually contributed on-field they'd have jobs and most still do.
I think he may get another shot, and who knows how it turns out, but I'd let someone else roll the dice first before I do it and have the distractions and find out no, he's not as effective as he was in 2012 with a solid OL, good running game, and decent receivers/ TE's.
He doesn't have enough talent. IMO. to warrant the distraction. Not that he has no talent.
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I still don't know if someone can accurately say 'he has no talent' considering his past and some of the circumstances he was in but you have a right to that opinion just as I do mine.
He doesn't have enough talent. IMO. to warrant the distraction. Not that he has no talent.
Gotcha... and on that I (unfortunately) agree.
The only reason I think he's not given a shot is his views and how he expresses them. That is un-American.
The only reason I think he's not given a shot is his views and how he expresses them. That is un-American.
Why is it so hard to believe that his skills may have eroded?
The NFL is like that for so many players - so many guys have turned in career years only to fall off a cliff quickly.
He's been distracted, he's switched to a vegan diet, and he's been on a team that's been unraveling for years. Is it really that hard to imagine that he might have been playing over his head for a few years in a system that was catered to him, and now left to his own devices he's just not that good anymore?
You guys give too much credit to these money hungry owners. They hire women beaters. Drunks. Drug addicts. They're not about to take a stand because someone didn't stand for the anthem. If he could make them money, he'd be signed up today.
He's an adopted kid who was raised as an intelligent person, who had an athletic scholarship and became an NFL player.
Exactly what bearing do sites in Ghana have on him personally?
It would be like me visiting a village in Italy where Mussolini hung people and claim that I can feel the ropes around my neck while standing in the Piazza.
You can't be taken as a credible person when you post stuff like this. Not even sure why an instagram post about where an unemployed QB went for his summer vacation would merit so much of your attention.
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Africans came here against their will, stripped of dignity and culture. They were unable to pass the lessons, food, religion and language of their ancestors on.
This pertains to a mixed race guy adopted by whites in what manner?
My point is that Kaep wants people to believe that his Ghanian heritage somehow is responsible for him being forced into the hells of middle passage, while for the most part of his life, he's had a silver spoon blocking his anus.
You didn't grasp that from my post?
Growing up with privilege that Kaepernick did does not mean he's immune to racism. Lebron had the n-word tagged on his property, you might as tell his kids that they have a silver spoon protecting their butts, and that they don't go through it like others do. Good grief, you come off terribly on these threads. The various police threads where you play PI and dig into the victims background to justify the end result, you suggesting what United did to Dr Chao, you positing why Dan Carpenter's wife likening Sherman to an aggressive animal and suggesting castration is a bad comment, etc. Again, what was the fucking point to start this thread. Him going to Ghana is the most innocuous thing to get on CK's ass about.
If you think the thread was about Kaep going to Ghana, I really don't know what to tell you.
I'm not even the guy making some breakthrough leap of logic here.
You're awfully worked up here. But I guess that will happen if you are looking to make everything racist. My beefs about all the threads you mentioned above was that the Media creates narratives that people like you run with, and next thing you know - it isn't a debate about specifics of situations, it is about shouting people down by either blatantly or implying they are racist.
In your mind, Dan Carpenter's wife can't just make an ignorant comment, she HAS to be a racist piece of shit. When the media runs with pictures showing Michael Brown as a cherubic youth or they jump to the conclusion that George Zimmerman is a white dude because of his name, you claim it is racist to question those false narratives.
When people question the intelligence of wearing a Castro shirt or pig socks while trying to deliver a supposedly noble stand against the various things Kaep is protesting, you imply it is racist to not take the man's message seriously, even though a lot of people still don't know what the fuck his message is.
But that's your MO - claim racism to shout people down, and I guess when that fails - call people fat fucks, which is just really ironic everytime somebody does it to me.
By the way - knowing that I wear a white hood and hate anything but pure Aryans, you might want to see that just this week, I wrote a piece that pretty much wonders why there are a lot of ignorant people that just don't let people be who they are.
But hey - if you spend all your time looking for racism, you are the one who continually misses the point, because you don't really care to see it any other way. That doesn't make you noble - just really ignorant - and another moment of irony.
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There was no point to posting this thread in the first place, you just end up giving shitheads like LC an opportunity to post the disgusting shit he posted in this very thread.
Man when is this guy going to get banned? he's constantly bickering with other posters, often taking things to a personal level. I do find it ironic that a poster so against racism would call someone else a name bewildering their appearance, although if anyone knows FMIC, they know he's actually not fat.