The more I hear and see of this guy, the more he comes off just looking for ways to be controversial. For the 4th of July, instead of celebrating Independence Day, he tweeted out this nugget:
| In a quest to find my personal independence, I had to find out where my ancestors came from. I set out tracing my African ancestral roots, and it lead me to Ghana. Upon finding out this information, I wanted to visit the sites responsible for myself (and many other Black folks in the African Diaspora) for being forced into the hells of the middle passage. I wanted to see a fraction of what they saw before reaching the point of no return. |
Even if one to ignore the obvious ignorance(or planned message) of wearing a Fidel shirt while talking about oppression or wearing socks with pigs on them, in what bizarro world has Kaep been forced into the hells of middle passage?
I'm not going to go on some jingoistic rant because part of being free here is being able to voice your opinion, but if you're going to keep voicing opinions that are factually unsound or show an ignorance to historical figures or history, you still have the freedom to say it - and others have the freedom to call you a moron.
Meanwhile, this is just another episode that seems to indicate where Kaep's priorities are. But I have to say, if given the choice between being a football player or a champion for the rights of blacks, he's not very good at either role.
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He's an adopted kid who was raised as an intelligent person, who had an athletic scholarship and became an NFL player.
Exactly what bearing do sites in Ghana have on him personally?
It would be like me visiting a village in Italy where Mussolini hung people and claim that I can feel the ropes around my neck while standing in the Piazza.
We don't give a shit about his arm, but what he says seems to initiate a discussion that will enlighten a few....
But he's not a violent aggressive or an ex -felon.
Says something about NFL fans that we accept players who do far worse and get to suit up Sunday but people would not watch a team that Colin would play for.
As for Kaep, I'm not going to tell him how to think or what to believe, but I would suggest that on his next vacation he visit a few Civil War battlefields. Might give him some appreciation for the folks who fought and died to secure his freedom.
He's an adopted kid who was raised as an intelligent person, who had an athletic scholarship and became an NFL player.
Exactly what bearing do sites in Ghana have on him personally?
It would be like me visiting a village in Italy where Mussolini hung people and claim that I can feel the ropes around my neck while standing in the Piazza.
It isn't at all the same. Italians came here freely, with their cultures in tact, and passed along to their children. They would take their culture and embed it within both their families and into the melting pot of American culture.
Africans came here against their will, stripped of dignity and culture. They were unable to pass the lessons, food, religion and language of their ancestors on.
This pertains to a mixed race guy adopted by whites in what manner?
My point is that Kaep wants people to believe that his Ghanian heritage somehow is responsible for him being forced into the hells of middle passage, while for the most part of his life, he's had a silver spoon blocking his anus.
You didn't grasp that from my post?
But he's not a violent aggressive or an ex -felon.
Says something about NFL fans that we accept players who do far worse and get to suit up Sunday but people would not watch a team that Colin would play for.
Not all fans accept criminals over Kaepernick, I know I certainly don't. But that's besides the point anyway because there's countless threads over the years devoted to some of the deplorable humans still playing football.
Collectively fans have sent enough letters to owners they won't sign him at this point. Meanwhile felons and deadbeats get second chances and drafted continuously. Collectively the fans have no issue with that.
I think you should stop giving a shit and wasting your time on this one.
Collectively fans have sent enough letters to owners they won't sign him at this point. Meanwhile felons and deadbeats get second chances and drafted continuously. Collectively the fans have no issue with that.
That's because the deadbeats and the media circus that comes with them can usually be contained. Look what Kaepernick is doing, would you want that around your team? Even if you agree with his stance the guy is creating a shitstorm; what businessman would want that around their product?
And he isn't good enough to start, and if you aren't going to start him why pay him anything to have him be your backup all while dealing with the shitstorm that follows him?
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Africans came here against their will, stripped of dignity and culture. They were unable to pass the lessons, food, religion and language of their ancestors on.
This pertains to a mixed race guy adopted by whites in what manner?
My point is that Kaep wants people to believe that his Ghanian heritage somehow is responsible for him being forced into the hells of middle passage, while for the most part of his life, he's had a silver spoon blocking his anus.
You didn't grasp that from my post?
Sure, he has lived a more privileged life than the vast majority of Americans who share his skin color, but that doesn't mean society views him as white. There is bias in this world that doesn't just disappear with how you were raised, and if you fail to see that, then I don't know what to tell you.
What I said is he sure as hell hasn't been forced into some middle passage because of the slave trade from generations ago.
What I said is he sure as hell hasn't been forced into some middle passage because of the slave trade from generations ago.
It's a metaphor to represent his struggles as a black man in this country, at least that's how I am reading it.
More than kaep making a roster owners should be taken to task for having terrible people on their rosters.
The "struggles" he has had are either the latest ones brought on by himself or they are ones that don't come close to sniffing the struggles of thousands in the US.
He's a kid who went from being at a middling football program to a starting QB in the Super Bowl. Instead of using that platform to inspire others, he's using it to play the victim card.
If he's nearly as influential as he believes he is, then he should use it to change lives of adopted kids or use his experience on how to succeed instead of making parallels to ghana and the middle passage.
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he is viewed as a white person.
What I said is he sure as hell hasn't been forced into some middle passage because of the slave trade from generations ago.
It's a metaphor to represent his struggles as a black man in this country, at least that's how I am reading it.
*His* struggles? hahaha.
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he is viewed as a white person.
What I said is he sure as hell hasn't been forced into some middle passage because of the slave trade from generations ago.
It's a metaphor to represent his struggles as a black man in this country, at least that's how I am reading it.
*His* struggles? hahaha.
Exactly. He can celebrate his ancestry, but the only struggle he ever had was which Mazerati to purchase.
The fact that his post bothers you so much should give more insight on your perspective of people and life then on his.
The fact that his post bothers you so much should give more insight on your perspective of people and life then on his.
I can't speak for Fatman but I doubt he's "bothered" by it. Like anything else a topic was posted and then there was a discussion. You are allowed to disagree without being mad, angry, upset, or even bothered.
He has played the victim card claiming he has been blacklisted, when in reality, he isn't a starting quality QB and isn't worth the distraction to be signed as a backup.
He lost his career for not being talented enough to be a starter.
The fact that his post bothers you so much should give more insight on your perspective of people and life then on his.
Its probably not the post itself that bothers people and more the history that trails behind it.
And I don't think it really "bothers" anyone. Its an eye-roller, just like anything else he's done and said in the past year or two.
Let's be fair, most African American families were brought here against their will as slaves over a 250 year period and have never really achieved true equality to this date.
Think about this, yesterday was our 241st anniversary of independence. And slaves were accepted here from 1609 through 1863/65. That is 254+ years on this continent as slaves prior to the Civil War.
Ron Johnson 30 : 9:30 am : link : reply
Talk about stereotyping.
It is just another example of Kaep both being out of touch and having inconsistent messaging. If he truly has a point to get across, he's been terrible at communicating it. Being a multi-million dollar athlete discussing struggles isn't going to be a very popular platform. Talking about minorities being oppressed while wearing the shirt of a dictator isn't going to come across as legitimate. Wearing socks of police dressed like pigs is going to take away from the message.
Like I said last year, even his message is difficult to follow. It was about oppression of minorities that morphed into a tangent of Black Lives Matter and police brutality. Now, it is about the Ghanian slave trade and the struggles he's had? It is tough to follow because he makes random controversial statements that don't seem to jibe with reality or seem all that compelling.
Carthonfan : 9:35 am : link : reply
in someone getting in touch with an aspect of their heritage
When he ties himself as being personally impacted by the history, that's way off base.
He lost his career because football became secondary to him and he was beaten out by stiffs like Blaine Gabbert. It was not the other way around - he did not lose his career because of his protests, his on-field performance was terrible.
He chose to protest after becoming a backup and basically being irrelevant.
In the NFL, like many sports businesses, if you have enough talent there is a level of distraction (and I don't use that word to minimize his message, but merely how it relates to potential employers) you would tolerate to employ that player.
He does not enough talent to warrant the distraction or at least he's no longer focused on football first and his one-time success/ascension has stagnated and reversed and he's been terrible in his past few chances to play.
after that, so what? I care as much about the shit that comes out of Kaepernick's mouth as I do Curt Schilling, which is zero.
Steve Weatherford in Ghana, 2012. Where's the outrage?
I disagreed with the pig socks but I've had no issue with anything else Kaep has done including the kneel. He has donated his time and money around the country to good causes since all of this has started with a lot less "noise". But it doesn't take much with him to get people incensed does it? As been said many times here and all over the internet, the NFL have FAR worse players, coaches and executives who are gainfully employed but this guy is literally blackballed for taking a knee to bring awareness to injustice? When did the rest of us become so righteous?
What I said is he sure as hell hasn't been forced into some middle passage because of the slave trade from generations ago.
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You're a clown and don't like calling people names but your point just sounds idiotic. So what the Kaep was raised by a white middle class family how does that make him ineligible to speak on issues that affects half of him. For black people in the country financial and social standing doesn't shield us from racism. I hate Kaep because i'm not sure of his true intentions but i'm not going to listen to you try to imply that financial standing shields one from racism in this country.
He didn't, hence no outrage. If Kaep went to Ghana and simply said he wanted to get a better perspective on history and to make attempts to help kids - cool. He didn't.
I'm just glad he didn't go to Uganda with an Idi Amin shirt on - so I guess he's making progress....
He was forced into the hells of the middle passage?
I can't imagine this scenario playing out in my community, nevertheless I have had the conversation with my kids about how to respond when interacting with police officers.
I am a proud veteran of the US military and African American. There is no other place I'd choose to live than this great nation, but there are many things that should be done to keep it moving in the right direction.
To be fair I laughed at this.
But because he used the word myself????
I visited the WWII Memorial for the first time in DC back in May for myself. That doesn't mean I compared ANY experience I had to that of those soldiers or my family that was a part of it. However I am eternally grateful for what they did and always look for perspective. Why, other than taking a knee, is he seen differently?
Meanwhile- many posters here think LT is a great guy. And he's a convicted rapist!
I should find the posts when people thought Josh Brown was getting the short end of the stick too.
He's always thrown around in discussions like this like there is a fan base lobbying to get LT some humanitarian awards.
He was benched as a starter in 2015 BEFORE KNEELING during the National anthem or any activism (at least publicly) by Jim Tomsula for Blaine Gabbert.
Then Chip Kelly took over and Kaepernick BEFORE KNEELING was beaten out as the starter by Blane Gabbert. Blaine Gabbert. Blaine Gabbert.
Before anything unrelated to on-field performance, this guy beat out Kaepernick:
"Of the 41 QBs who have attempted at least 700 passes since 2011, Gabbert's 22.6 Total QBR ranks dead last." http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/32for32x151104/expect-steelers-rb-deangelo-williams
Let that sink in a little and then continue your rant about someone being blackballed because of something that happened after that.
It's sort of like the people who say Tebow isn't in the NFL today because he's a "god boy" or "jesus freak" or somethign equally offensive (to some I'm sure).
Tebow is not in the NFL today because he was a terrible quarterback.
Kaepernick doesn't have a job in the NFL as I stated before because today, he's not good enough to warrant one. He might refocus and get another shot, and there could even be QB's worse than him today holding clipboards, but right now he's not being blackballed IMO and people that say he is are really just excuse-making IMO.
I'm 4th generation Irish and was raised with stories of the potato famine that forced so many Irish to the US. I identify myself with them even though I have never suffered hunger and poverty on that scale. Why can't Kaep do the same for his Ghana roots? Just because he did not personally experience something does not mean he can't identify with it and protest its continuing affects.
Meanwhile- many posters here think LT is a great guy. And he's a convicted rapist!
I should find the posts when people thought Josh Brown was getting the short end of the stick too.
Dickhead. LT is a good guy. He is a great guy in fact. Statutory rape when one's age is misrepresented is not the "convicted rapist" that you are insinuating. No need to defend his acts, but shame on you.
He's always thrown around in discussions like this like there is a fan base lobbying to get LT some humanitarian awards.
This begs the question if Kaep played more like Joe Montana would he get the same reaction? l
Check out the comments of the article if you REALLY wanna feel good about our fellow Americans.
He's lost, misguided and probably influenced by some ignorant people. That's the issue.
The fact that his post bothers you so much should give more insight on your perspective of people and life then on his.
And, this isn't so much about his "cause", but more about the ignorant things he did and said to promote his cause. He could have had a much more powerful and positive impact if he didn't come off looking and sounding like a fool.
Like I said above, he could be a positive influence and use his prior success to promote that image. He hasn't done that and increasingly comes off sounding like a loon.
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And, this isn't so much about his "cause", but more about the ignorant things he did and said to promote his cause. He could have had a much more powerful and positive impact if he didn't come off looking and sounding like a fool.
Like I said above, he could be a positive influence and use his prior success to promote that image. He hasn't done that and increasingly comes off sounding like a loon.
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just like his other ignorant displays of history, his metaphor is terribly misused.
He's an adopted kid who was raised as an intelligent person, who had an athletic scholarship and became an NFL player.
Exactly what bearing do sites in Ghana have on him personally?
It would be like me visiting a village in Italy where Mussolini hung people and claim that I can feel the ropes around my neck while standing in the Piazza.
It isn't at all the same. Italians came here freely, with their cultures in tact, and passed along to their children. They would take their culture and embed it within both their families and into the melting pot of American culture.
Africans came here against their will, stripped of dignity and culture. They were unable to pass the lessons, food, religion and language of their ancestors on.
Sgrcts - The above are good points and raise an important question. How do we restore the lessons, dignity, and culture? If you think the culture needs to change, how does it happen. I think it needs to come from within the culture that is to change.
I believe FMiC is discussing Kaep as an individual.
My biggest problem with Kaep is that his writing (I haven't heard him speak) isn't crisp enough to make his points as clearly as they deserve to be made, which fosters even more confusion and criticism. And acts like wearing a Castro tee shirt, either out of ignorance or carelessness, undermine his intentions.
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Carthonfan : 9:35 am : link : reply
in someone getting in touch with an aspect of their heritage
When he ties himself as being personally impacted by the history, that's way off base.
Its not really off base. Everyone relates to their heritage and history, particularly a history as sensitive as slavery, in their own way. You are interpreting his statement way too literally and hence you are being overly judgmental.
He was benched as a starter in 2015 BEFORE KNEELING during the National anthem or any activism (at least publicly) by Jim Tomsula for Blaine Gabbert.
Then Chip Kelly took over and Kaepernick BEFORE KNEELING was beaten out as the starter by Blane Gabbert. Blaine Gabbert. Blaine Gabbert.
Before anything unrelated to on-field performance, this guy beat out Kaepernick:
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"Of the 41 QBs who have attempted at least 700 passes since 2011, Gabbert's 22.6 Total QBR ranks dead last." http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/32for32x151104/expect-steelers-rb-deangelo-williams
Let that sink in a little and then continue your rant about someone being blackballed because of something that happened after that.
It's sort of like the people who say Tebow isn't in the NFL today because he's a "god boy" or "jesus freak" or somethign equally offensive (to some I'm sure).
Tebow is not in the NFL today because he was a terrible quarterback.
Kaepernick doesn't have a job in the NFL as I stated before because today, he's not good enough to warrant one. He might refocus and get another shot, and there could even be QB's worse than him today holding clipboards, but right now he's not being blackballed IMO and people that say he is are really just excuse-making IMO.
pj, I respect you for all of the posts over the years but this just isn't factually correct. Kaepernick was not benched for Gabbert, he was recovering from three surgeries. He went on IR in Nov of '15 and he didn't play in the preseason until week 3. Chip Kelly said him not starting had to do with missing the entire off season program not becasue Blaine Gabbert is better and the numbers don't lie. In five games Gabbert had a total of six TDs to six INTs with a QB rating of under 70. In the remaining games Kaepernick had a total of 18 TDs to 4 INTs with a QB rating of 90. Now I'm not saying he's Joe Montana but numbers like that can't get you a job in today's NFL? The #1 receiver was Jeremy Kerley for crying out loud. Meanwhile, Gabbert has a job in Arizona. In what could be Kaepernick's last game in the NFL he was 17-22, 215 yards and a TD in a two point loss to Seattle, the league's #5 defense last year. Pete Carroll brings him in for a visit and they rave about him but instead they sign Trevone Boykin, who has 18 career NFL passes. So if he's not blackballed, what would you call it? You're gonna tell me that there's 64 better QBs in the league right now? Nick Foles? Matt Barkley? Matt McGloin? Sanchez? Just a few of the QBs signed this offseason. At least tell me it's about money, or maybe he wants to be a starter where there isn't one available. But it's NOT because he was that bad last year or in his career that this is performance based. And Tebow is an apples to oranges comparison. Far worse QB and much smaller resume.
On Wednesday, coach Jim Tomsula offered a similar explanation, calling the benching "a tough decision but I feel it's the direction we need to go." And adding that the move will hopefully benefit Kaepernick in the long run because it will allow him to "step back and breathe and look at things through a different lens."
"I felt like this was the direction we needed to go," Tomsula continued, via NFL.com. "In no way is 2-6 all on Colin Kaepernick. That's on all of us. This is a guy I think has talent ... I just want him to step back, keep working."...
he was 100% benched for Gabbert. There is no gray area or debate.
And Kaepernick missed spring activities in 2016 with Chip Kelly and that definitely set him back, but was cleared for camp then had a setback, but was 100% during camp. And then once Gabbert struggled mightily (agree the offense around him/Kaepernick sucked), and lost the starting job, Kaepernick gave it back just as quickly.
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Slavery has existed for thousands of years and it was still being practiced in most of the world through much of the 18th century, even into the 19th century in many parts. Furthermore, it is still being practiced TODAY in parts of the world including parts of Africa!
As horrible as it was, only a small fraction (less than 10%) of Americans owned slaves by the time of the Civil war. And a little known fact is that whites weren't the only slave owners. Free blacks owned slaves in Louisiana.
Slavery was being fazed out and became illegal in many of the most populous (northern) states around the time or shortly after the founding of the country.
Hundreds of thousands of Americans, including a direct ancestor of mine, risked their lives for the emancipation (some southerners will argue the war was about states rights, but it's pretty obvious which state right the south thought was worth fighting for).
I wish more Americans knew the facts above and we could move forward, make sure EVERY American gets a good education, etc.
I am simply pointing out his use of grammar makes it seem like he personally was affected by the middle grounds vs wanting to visit them. Did not read the comment the same way as FMIC did although I could understand why.
But that doesn't change my point; when he did start playing he was better in '16 post surgeries than '15 and way better than Gabbert, always will be. But Gabbert got a job this offseason. Kaepernick had more TDs last season than Gabbert had in three years in SF. There's no way Gabbert or virtually every backup signed this offseason, including ours, are better than Kaepernick. This has everything to do with his stance or lack thereof.
On THAT, I don't believe there is any question..
Look at backup QB's around the league - they aren't stars who are ready to step in to play - they aren't even often the 2nd best QB in camp. The backup QB is really there for three reasons:
1) Provide snaps for the defense in practice
2) Sub in for the starter in case of an injury
3) Not cause a QB controversy
That's why if teams have two starting quality QB's they usually ship one out.
Once Kaep was effectively no longer a starting QB, his desirability as a backup is hugely diminished. why have a sideshow around a guy whose main purpose on game day is to hold a clipboard?
Ridiculous.
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then again, not surprised.
Likewise. Afterall, I'm not surprised that somebody who made it sound like the Castro t-shirt was just a fashion coincidence wouldn't have any surprise here.....
If there's an important message to be shared and the communicator can't do it well enough to get his point across and ends up having it muddied with faux pas like the Castro t-shirt and pig socks, the message is most definitely diluted.
This is a point I've made since the beginning. Any platform Kaep was trying to communicate was muddied by his own lack of focus on the subject (is the issue police treatment of blacks, minorities being oppressed or fighting the remnants of slavery?), his fashion statements which became tangents that only took away from the message, and his insinuation that he's now blackballed.
People who don't have clear and concise points are difficult to understand.
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and embellishing and leaving out pieces of info to fit your narrative?
I quoted an article from the Talahassee paper, complete with a link. I even said that it was a list of arrests and punishments, which is exactly what it was. And you bowed out of that thread when I pointed it out several times.
If you want to make a pretty overt reference that I'm a racist, I think a lot of people here know that's your preferred angle to take more often than not.
Let's not make it sound like I'm Geraldo Rivera breaking a story.
This July 4th, we honor the men and women who fought for this great nation that we all love, Shinter told reporters. And especially those who did not make it back. Rest in peace to my brothers Spc. Willie Garcia and Sgt. 1st Class Anthony Beamer.
And lets not forget the 22 veterans a day who kill themselves, he added. Its really sad that people are celebrating with fireworks and barbecues and they dont even think about this sort of stuff.
As Shinter noted in a lengthy Facebook post today, the birth of the United States would never have been possible without the contributions of Americas veterans, who fought in numerous wars to keep this nation free and safe.
That includes Shinters contribution to the nations security, which involved a number of deployments to Kuwait, a well-known hotbed of terror and intense combat. Then there was also that 30-day period when he was attached to 1st Cavalry Division in Iraq, or the shit as he put it.
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In addition to his numerous posts on Facebook, Shinter plans to go door-to-door to tell his neighbors about veterans and ask that they not use fireworks to celebrate, just as soldiers in the Continental Army did some 241 years ago.
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He's not being blacklisted because of his comments - this is a league who's PR machine works to keep convicted dog killers, rapists, drunk drivers and woman beaters employed. You really think if a team wanted Kaepernick they couldn't find a way to spin his comments down and get him on the field?
Too many people concern themselves with color, but the wrong ones. It's not black, brown or white - it's green. If someone could profit off his play, he'd be out there tomorrow.
But he's not a violent aggressive or an ex -felon.
Says something about NFL fans that we accept players who do far worse and get to suit up Sunday but people would not watch a team that Colin would play for.
Well said. Its a symptom of the hyper-partisanship in this country.
He's not being blacklisted because of his comments - this is a league who's PR machine works to keep convicted dog killers, rapists, drunk drivers and woman beaters employed. You really think if a team wanted Kaepernick they couldn't find a way to spin his comments down and get him on the field?
Too many people concern themselves with color, but the wrong ones. It's not black, brown or white - it's green. If someone could profit off his play, he'd be out there tomorrow.
Except that our very own team's owner pretty much came out and admitted that they wouldn't consider signing Kaep because of the negative mail he's gotten over him.
I think those who've been saying it's a combination of both are correct.. it's because of his comments/actions AND because he's not seen as a top tier QB. More than the former than the latter.
If Kaep never kneels during the anthem... he's on a roster right now.
It's clearly both his skill erosion and his stance.
Most of us are saying the same thing and talking past each other. As usual. Some people are getting indignant and passive aggressive about it. As usual for this site.
He is not good enough to start anymore, and no one is going to put up with a backup QB with his baggage - like him or not, agree with is message or not, and agree with his message but not his method all irrelevant - it's a distraction and coaches (in almost any sport) notoriously hate distractions.
So sure, if he never kneeled during the anthem he would most likely still be on an NFL roster, but first and foremost if there was a team that felt like holy shit this guy can help us win, he's got talent, you bet your ass he'd be on a roster anyway. His situation starts with a lack of talent or focus and goes degrades from there.
the comment about how can Matt McGloin (for example) be good enough to be a backup and Kaepernick isn't is a false equivalence.
Hence the feeling he's being blacklisted by the league. You're saying he's not going to be a back up QB in this league BECAUSE of his 'baggage'.
I'm not trying to imply that these teams don't have the right to do so... but that doesn't change the reason why he doesn't have a job right now.
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He is not good enough to start anymore, and no one is going to put up with a backup QB with his baggage...
Hence the feeling he's being blacklisted by the league. You're saying he's not going to be a back up QB in this league BECAUSE of his 'baggage'.
I'm not trying to imply that these teams don't have the right to do so... but that doesn't change the reason why he doesn't have a job right now.
IMO and it's just my opinion, I respect everyone's opinionon this, it's a combination of the lack of talent and publicity.
If it was a scale it would be 80% talent and 20% media circus.
but it starts with talent, if he had the talent to be a capable and successful starting QB in the NFL he'd have a job today.
But I do think it's ok to not want a backup QB holding a clipboard on your sideline that is going to be a constant, or even occasional, distraction to your team. If that's means he's blackballed by your definition then I concede, but I feel blackballed is a more collusive effort to keep someone out. In Kaepernick's case I think each team evaluated and decided individually and reached the same conclusion...not worth it.
Things could change, but I don't think it's wrong for teams to not want him as their backup.
I also think to a lesser extent it's why Tim Tebow is playing baseball now. Tebow has more playoff victories than many starting QB's, but he's awful. Not a viable starting QB. But is he worse than all the backups in the league right now? I don't know. If there was no media circus around him I feel like there is a better chance he'd be on an NFL roster today.
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He is not good enough to start anymore, and no one is going to put up with a backup QB with his baggage...
Hence the feeling he's being blacklisted by the league. You're saying he's not going to be a back up QB in this league BECAUSE of his 'baggage'.
I'm not trying to imply that these teams don't have the right to do so... but that doesn't change the reason why he doesn't have a job right now.
IMO and it's just my opinion, I respect everyone's opinionon this, it's a combination of the lack of talent and publicity.
If it was a scale it would be 80% talent and 20% media circus.
but it starts with talent, if he had the talent to be a capable and successful starting QB in the NFL he'd have a job today.
But I do think it's ok to not want a backup QB holding a clipboard on your sideline that is going to be a constant, or even occasional, distraction to your team. If that's means he's blackballed by your definition then I concede, but I feel blackballed is a more collusive effort to keep someone out. In Kaepernick's case I think each team evaluated and decided individually and reached the same conclusion...not worth it.
Things could change, but I don't think it's wrong for teams to not want him as their backup.
I also think to a lesser extent it's why Tim Tebow is playing baseball now. Tebow has more playoff victories than many starting QB's, but he's awful. Not a viable starting QB. But is he worse than all the backups in the league right now? I don't know. If there was no media circus around him I feel like there is a better chance he'd be on an NFL roster today.
Fair enough.
My scale would probably be more 30% talent/70% other media circus.
I see what you're saying and saying he's being 'blackballed' does seem to imply that there is some collusion going on between teams and I don't think THAT'S the case... but I can't think of another word to describe what I believe is happening to him.
And again, I honestly don't have much of a problem with how teams are treating him. Although I don't agree with it... I'm a big proponent of 'you make your bed, now lie in it.'. Kaep said himself that he knew he was going to catch hell for what he was doing and he was willing to risk the consequences in order to make his point. Now that those consequences have shown themselves, you can't cry now about it and say it's not fair.
I also lost a bit of respect for him when he (among other things he said that I question... like the pig socks for instance) said he'll no longer kneel for the anthem if he gets picked up by another team. I don't believe a guy like Nelson Madela said 'Ok... if I don't have to go to jail again... I'll change my stance on apartheid in this country.'. If you feel as strongly about a particular issue... as he claimed to be... saying he'll kneel until he sees police brutality and other injustices stop in this country... you don't turn around and say 'Sike!' because you no longer have a job now. You stick with it and if you don't get picked up... hey, you knew the risk. But if you valued your job and money that much... maybe you shouldn't have knelt in the first place?
Even with all the above said, I still support Kaep in his efforts because they affect me, my family and friends a great deal. But... as I've been saying since it was first exposed about him kneeling... I think his words and actions haven't been very well thought out and now, unfortunately for him, he's paying the price for it.
Likewise.
Except when it comes to Fantasy Football. Your opinions suck donkey balls there.
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and as usual on topics like this you make me think of things differently and I appreciate the time you take to respond.
Likewise.
Except when it comes to Fantasy Football. Your opinions suck donkey balls there.
Well when you're in 75 leagues like you, you're bound to win every now and then.
kmed said he's reviving the BBI league, are you in? What's one more league?
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and as usual on topics like this you make me think of things differently and I appreciate the time you take to respond.
Likewise.
Except when it comes to Fantasy Football. Your opinions suck donkey balls there.
Well when you're in 75 leagues like you, you're bound to win every now and then.
kmed said he's reviving the BBI league, are you in? What's one more league?
LMAO! Touche'
You bet!
Lol, maybe j/o'll go visit the Dhali Lama & come back & enlighten all of us.
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and he's not a very good QB.
He's not being blacklisted because of his comments - this is a league who's PR machine works to keep convicted dog killers, rapists, drunk drivers and woman beaters employed. You really think if a team wanted Kaepernick they couldn't find a way to spin his comments down and get him on the field?
Too many people concern themselves with color, but the wrong ones. It's not black, brown or white - it's green. If someone could profit off his play, he'd be out there tomorrow.
Except that our very own team's owner pretty much came out and admitted that they wouldn't consider signing Kaep because of the negative mail he's gotten over him.
I think those who've been saying it's a combination of both are correct.. it's because of his comments/actions AND because he's not seen as a top tier QB. More than the former than the latter.
If Kaep never kneels during the anthem... he's on a roster right now.
T-Bone, don't be quick to believe what some of these guys say. Mara seems like a good enough guy, but he had Josh Brown on the payroll.
If Kaepernick was good enough, someone - if not Mara, then someone else, would be willing to give him a shot. Right now, he's in the same bucket Tebow would be - the player isn't good enough to warrant the PR damage he'd incur.
America is about freedom, the best military in the history of the world and the best athletes in the world, the bravest people. Takes no bravery to turn tail and head to Ghana IMO.
America is about freedom, the best military in the history of the world and the best athletes in the world, the bravest people. Takes no bravery to turn tail and head to Ghana IMO.
LMAO!!!!
Wait... you were serious?
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and he's not a very good QB.
He's not being blacklisted because of his comments - this is a league who's PR machine works to keep convicted dog killers, rapists, drunk drivers and woman beaters employed. You really think if a team wanted Kaepernick they couldn't find a way to spin his comments down and get him on the field?
Too many people concern themselves with color, but the wrong ones. It's not black, brown or white - it's green. If someone could profit off his play, he'd be out there tomorrow.
Except that our very own team's owner pretty much came out and admitted that they wouldn't consider signing Kaep because of the negative mail he's gotten over him.
I think those who've been saying it's a combination of both are correct.. it's because of his comments/actions AND because he's not seen as a top tier QB. More than the former than the latter.
If Kaep never kneels during the anthem... he's on a roster right now.
T-Bone, don't be quick to believe what some of these guys say. Mara seems like a good enough guy, but he had Josh Brown on the payroll.
If Kaepernick was good enough, someone - if not Mara, then someone else, would be willing to give him a shot. Right now, he's in the same bucket Tebow would be - the player isn't good enough to warrant the PR damage he'd incur.
jcn - if being 'good enough' was truly enough, if I was a HC or GM I'd think I'd take my chances with Kaep over the likes of many of the backup QBs from in the league right now. But because of his actions, it appears no one will hire him. As I told pj, because there doesn't appear to be any true collusion between the teams in the league I'll stop a bit short of saying he's being blackballed... but he's being punished for something he did which kind of fits the description but perhaps not the definition completely. I don't like the Tebow comparison because he really just wasn't a good QB... meanwhile there was a time when Kaep was referred to as the 'next big thing'... don't think Tebow was ever thought of that highly while in the league..
I really don't think too many teams have a QB as a backup who is truly the starter in waiting or even a guy they want to be the starter anytime soon. Why?? Because they don't need teh constant battle in practice with the backup trying to earn a starting spot. They don't want the controversy. They want the backup to carry a clipboard, work out the 2nd stringers, and be there for an emergency. They don't want him to be the focus of attention, either on game day or during the week.
Kaep will be the focus of attention.
I really don't think too many teams have a QB as a backup who is truly the starter in waiting or even a guy they want to be the starter anytime soon. Why?? Because they don't need teh constant battle in practice with the backup trying to earn a starting spot. They don't want the controversy. They want the backup to carry a clipboard, work out the 2nd stringers, and be there for an emergency. They don't want him to be the focus of attention, either on game day or during the week.
Kaep will be the focus of attention.
So now he's too good to be a backup?
Look... either he's not good enough to be a backup (and isn't mainly because of his actions) or he's too good to be a backup and is not worth it to a team like the Texans (supposedly one of the few teams that's a 'QB away' from being Super Bowl contender) because of his actions. Either way... I'm saying that it's just short of a fact that if Kaep never kneeled he'd be on a team right now.
And again, I really don't blame the owners for not wanting to deal with the headaches bringing him in will cause but that doesn't mean you shouldn't call it what it is. It's almost as if the thought of the league blacklisting someone is just so crazy to fathom that some don't want to call it what it is, particularly when not to long ago our very own owner admitted as much.
Also, the comment Mara shouldn't be believed because he signed Brown kind of makes this whole thing look even worse IMO. As has been said before, beat your wife... we'll sign ya even if you're just a kicker! But don't stand for the anthem? Oh HELL NO... the backlash would be too great. That says much more about us as a society than anything else.
Look at the backup QB's the Giants have had. Jason Garrett, David Carr, Ryan Nassib, Curtis Painter, Jared Lorenzen. People aren't really going to have an argument to say those QB's were the next best QB available to them in the pool of QB's are they? Just look at how people still talk about the bad blood with Kurt Warner when his role became as a backup.
The Pats had Matt Cassel as a backup - once he took over for an injured Brady, he didn't go back to backup, he tried to go and ve a starter elsewhere, with mixed results. Guys like that are all over the place. Rob Johnson? Josh McCown? Brandon Weeden? These guys aren't the best out of the pool of QB's in the universe.
Once the starter is ousted, if they have a pedigree, they aren't often backups for long. They fade out of the league. Is Vince Young backing anyone up? That's why when your starter goes down, like Tony Romo did - you're fucked.
I won't even get into the argument that there's really only about a 1/4th of the teams that have serious questions about the position, so they have no desire to bring a QB in to challenge.
Like who? And even better, like who that had the same amount of success in his past?
I agree... I also agree that there aren't that many teams out there that don't already have an established starter and are happy with the backup QB they have behind them (I've used that very same argument a few weeks ago). But what about teams like the Texans? The Jets? The Browns? Those are three teams where Kaep is not only better than the backups but, based on past history, is better than the starters! But... because of his political stances and actions... he won't even get a call from any of these teams.
In all of those cases though Eli was the established starter. I've already agreed with you that it wouldn't make much sense for Kaep to go to a team with an established starter already unless that starter is truly 'established' as the starter no matter way (like in Seattle).
But he WOULD'VE gone back to being a back up but Belichick... be Belichick... was able to flip him for a 1st round pick. It wasn't like Cassel was released and free to join whatever team he wanted. He was traded.
Which is my point. Kaep... I'd tend to think... would be considered a better player than all three of them based on his past play... as he should be considered a better player than several of the backups currently in the league.
I have no argument for the rest of your post.
In fact Collins skidded out in Carolina and started on NYG as a backup.
NINEster said it best. Hard to say how much of it is on him vs a bad team/situation regarding his career development.
He'd certainly be worth a risk for a few teams without the baggage.
America is about freedom, the best military in the history of the world and the best athletes in the world, the bravest people. Takes no bravery to turn tail and head to Ghana IMO.
How the hell did I miss this gem?
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He deserves his fate because white people are the arbiters of what is right and wrong in American society. That's because we have been here the longest - please don't make it about race.
America is about freedom, the best military in the history of the world and the best athletes in the world, the bravest people. Takes no bravery to turn tail and head to Ghana IMO.
How the hell did I miss this gem?
Whaddup coach!
Either you're not the only one or everyone else is doing probably the smart thing and just ignoring it. I've noticed he's had a habit of posting stuff like this on here.
Yeah... he also had this gem on the 'Colin Kaepernick's job prospects' thread as well:
LCtheINTMachine : 6/19/2017 12:33 pm : link : reply
He hurt himself while the plus side is that no black player will ever speak up again - and nor should they. They are being paid millions of dollars to damage their brains so they aren't the smartest tools in the shed anyway.
*shrugs shoulders*
Very strange poster.
I don't think its because of some mentality that teams don't want capable back-ups.
As others have said, Michael Vick, Trent Green, Matt Schaub, Matt Hasselbeck, Ryan Fitzpatrick... etc have all taken backup positions.
By all accounts, Kaepernick isn't demanding starters money nor is he making waves that he must start on his new team. So I just don't by that logic.
If I am a tanking team I would definitely sign him- especially if I run a precision passing game
If I am a tanking team I would definitely sign him- especially if I run a precision passing game
I'm not sure if you can definitively state this as a fact. He's only worked under two different offensive schemes (I believe) and one of them has proven not to be all that effective in the NFL or else the guy who brought it here (Chip Kelly) would still have a job. If given the chance to run another offense and he bombs, then I probably wouldn't argue.
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And he diminished his skill set when he lost his physicality.
If I am a tanking team I would definitely sign him- especially if I run a precision passing game
I'm not sure if you can definitively state this as a fact. He's only worked under two different offensive schemes (I believe) and one of them has proven not to be all that effective in the NFL or else the guy who brought it here (Chip Kelly) would still have a job. If given the chance to run another offense and he bombs, then I probably wouldn't argue.
Granted his team was awful, but he did lose his starters job to Blaine Gabbert under Jim Tomsula:
On Wednesday, coach Jim Tomsula offered a similar explanation, calling the benching "a tough decision but I feel it's the direction we need to go." And adding that the move will hopefully benefit Kaepernick in the long run because it will allow him to "step back and breathe and look at things through a different lens."
"I felt like this was the direction we needed to go," Tomsula continued, via NFL.com. "In no way is 2-6 all on Colin Kaepernick. That's on all of us. This is a guy I think has talent ... I just want him to step back, keep working."
I think this tweet sums up Kaepernick's lofty status and descent pretty humorously.
and this benching was pre-kneeling.
2012: "Colin Kaepernick is better than Russell Wilson"
2013: "Theyre equals"
2014: "RW is better"
2015: "Blaine Gabbert is better than Kap"
10:48 PM - 2 Nov 2015
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And he diminished his skill set when he lost his physicality.
If I am a tanking team I would definitely sign him- especially if I run a precision passing game
I'm not sure if you can definitively state this as a fact. He's only worked under two different offensive schemes (I believe) and one of them has proven not to be all that effective in the NFL or else the guy who brought it here (Chip Kelly) would still have a job. If given the chance to run another offense and he bombs, then I probably wouldn't argue.
Granted his team was awful, but he did lose his starters job to Blaine Gabbert under Jim Tomsula:
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Colin Kaepernick has hit rock bottom. After an abysmal start to the season, he has been benched (mercifully, some might say) for Blaine Gabbert. Yes, the very same Blaine Gabbert who was drafted 10th overall by the Jaguars and made 27 mostly forgettable starts before he was traded to the 49ers for a sixth-round pick in March 2014.
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But Kaepernick had been that bad. Through two months, he ranked 32nd among all starting quarterbacks, according to Football Outsiders (that's a list that includes out-of-work Ryan Mallet), and as recently as last week former 49ers great Jerry Rice called for Kaepernick to grab some pine, at least for a while, "to energize the team."
On Wednesday, coach Jim Tomsula offered a similar explanation, calling the benching "a tough decision but I feel it's the direction we need to go." And adding that the move will hopefully benefit Kaepernick in the long run because it will allow him to "step back and breathe and look at things through a different lens."
"I felt like this was the direction we needed to go," Tomsula continued, via NFL.com. "In no way is 2-6 all on Colin Kaepernick. That's on all of us. This is a guy I think has talent ... I just want him to step back, keep working."
I think this tweet sums up Kaepernick's lofty status and descent pretty humorously.
and this benching was pre-kneeling.
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kenneth arthurVerified account @KennethArthuRS
2012: "Colin Kaepernick is better than Russell Wilson"
2013: "Theyre equals"
2014: "RW is better"
2015: "Blaine Gabbert is better than Kap"
10:48 PM - 2 Nov 2015
Perhaps (although I believe another poster was right in stating that Kaep missed a lot of the off-season practices recovering from an injury... we both may be wrong about that though)... but it wasn't like Gabbert started lighting it up himself or playing THAT much better when given the starting nod. My only point is that there have been QBs who've achieved a lot less than Kaep did early in his career who'd been given more than two (or three tops) chances to continue their careers after sucking at a particular stop. I could maybe more readily accept you and hitdog's point if he didn't enjoy the early success that he did but that's not the case.
Kaep deserves another shot and if not for his antics, he'd have one.
In either case I don't disagree from a talent standpoint he may deserve another shot - comparatively speaking to other backups and maybe even some low-end starters, but fact is it boils down to what I've been saying all along a) he's just not that talented and b) because he's not that talented no one wants to put up with the media circus that will come with him.
anyone who has played organized sports at anything beyond a youth level knows that coaches hate distractions. It's the bane of their existence and they preach unity, teamwork, cohesiveness, chemistry, etc, and regardless of your views, Kaepernick will create a distraction.
If this was Odell Beckham, Russell Wilson, Richard Sherman, JJ Watt, etc. or even the other players who kneeled but actually contributed on-field they'd have jobs and most still do.
I think he may get another shot, and who knows how it turns out, but I'd let someone else roll the dice first before I do it and have the distractions and find out no, he's not as effective as he was in 2012 with a solid OL, good running game, and decent receivers/ TE's.
He doesn't have enough talent. IMO. to warrant the distraction. Not that he has no talent.
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I still don't know if someone can accurately say 'he has no talent' considering his past and some of the circumstances he was in but you have a right to that opinion just as I do mine.
He doesn't have enough talent. IMO. to warrant the distraction. Not that he has no talent.
Gotcha... and on that I (unfortunately) agree.
The only reason I think he's not given a shot is his views and how he expresses them. That is un-American.
The only reason I think he's not given a shot is his views and how he expresses them. That is un-American.
Why is it so hard to believe that his skills may have eroded?
The NFL is like that for so many players - so many guys have turned in career years only to fall off a cliff quickly.
He's been distracted, he's switched to a vegan diet, and he's been on a team that's been unraveling for years. Is it really that hard to imagine that he might have been playing over his head for a few years in a system that was catered to him, and now left to his own devices he's just not that good anymore?
You guys give too much credit to these money hungry owners. They hire women beaters. Drunks. Drug addicts. They're not about to take a stand because someone didn't stand for the anthem. If he could make them money, he'd be signed up today.
He's an adopted kid who was raised as an intelligent person, who had an athletic scholarship and became an NFL player.
Exactly what bearing do sites in Ghana have on him personally?
It would be like me visiting a village in Italy where Mussolini hung people and claim that I can feel the ropes around my neck while standing in the Piazza.
You can't be taken as a credible person when you post stuff like this. Not even sure why an instagram post about where an unemployed QB went for his summer vacation would merit so much of your attention.
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Africans came here against their will, stripped of dignity and culture. They were unable to pass the lessons, food, religion and language of their ancestors on.
This pertains to a mixed race guy adopted by whites in what manner?
My point is that Kaep wants people to believe that his Ghanian heritage somehow is responsible for him being forced into the hells of middle passage, while for the most part of his life, he's had a silver spoon blocking his anus.
You didn't grasp that from my post?
Growing up with privilege that Kaepernick did does not mean he's immune to racism. Lebron had the n-word tagged on his property, you might as tell his kids that they have a silver spoon protecting their butts, and that they don't go through it like others do. Good grief, you come off terribly on these threads. The various police threads where you play PI and dig into the victims background to justify the end result, you suggesting what United did to Dr Chao, you positing why Dan Carpenter's wife likening Sherman to an aggressive animal and suggesting castration is a bad comment, etc. Again, what was the fucking point to start this thread. Him going to Ghana is the most innocuous thing to get on CK's ass about.
If you think the thread was about Kaep going to Ghana, I really don't know what to tell you.
I'm not even the guy making some breakthrough leap of logic here.
You're awfully worked up here. But I guess that will happen if you are looking to make everything racist. My beefs about all the threads you mentioned above was that the Media creates narratives that people like you run with, and next thing you know - it isn't a debate about specifics of situations, it is about shouting people down by either blatantly or implying they are racist.
In your mind, Dan Carpenter's wife can't just make an ignorant comment, she HAS to be a racist piece of shit. When the media runs with pictures showing Michael Brown as a cherubic youth or they jump to the conclusion that George Zimmerman is a white dude because of his name, you claim it is racist to question those false narratives.
When people question the intelligence of wearing a Castro shirt or pig socks while trying to deliver a supposedly noble stand against the various things Kaep is protesting, you imply it is racist to not take the man's message seriously, even though a lot of people still don't know what the fuck his message is.
But that's your MO - claim racism to shout people down, and I guess when that fails - call people fat fucks, which is just really ironic everytime somebody does it to me.
By the way - knowing that I wear a white hood and hate anything but pure Aryans, you might want to see that just this week, I wrote a piece that pretty much wonders why there are a lot of ignorant people that just don't let people be who they are.
But hey - if you spend all your time looking for racism, you are the one who continually misses the point, because you don't really care to see it any other way. That doesn't make you noble - just really ignorant - and another moment of irony.
A rant by a racist fat fuck,,,, - ( New Window )
There was no point to posting this thread in the first place, you just end up giving shitheads like LC an opportunity to post the disgusting shit he posted in this very thread.
Man when is this guy going to get banned? he's constantly bickering with other posters, often taking things to a personal level. I do find it ironic that a poster so against racism would call someone else a name bewildering their appearance, although if anyone knows FMIC, they know he's actually not fat.