Pat Traina did an interesting write-up on her "way too early" roster projection. Injuries will happen; surprises will happen; etc., but the fun part here for me is getting a general idea of how many we may carry by position and well as why?
It Was my surprise that Pat kept only four safeties as I had us carrying 5? Also, I forgot that Herzlich is the backup long snapper and now TE so he likely makes the roster over rookie UDFA Munson (PS).
And there was some positive publication regarding TE M. LaCosse who worked hard this off-season on a new regiment which will hopefully help him with injuries.
What are your surprises, if any?
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I don't know if I see Powe making the team as a 6th WR. He doesn't contribute on specials which is essential for those last slotted roles, I don't see why they wouldn't just keep him on the PS unless he blows up in pre-season.
I think with our roster, the better ST player out of the DB's and WR's will determine where they carry that extra player. I do see them carrying 4 TE's with Tye the odd man out if everyone else stays healthy, Only way Tye makes it is if Ellison's injury keeps him out.
Right now I think Wheeler and possibly Dunker are more likely to stick than Gettis. They both have more upside, than the 28 year old backup OG.
I don't know if I see Powe making the team as a 6th WR. He doesn't contribute on specials which is essential for those last slotted roles, I don't see why they wouldn't just keep him on the PS unless he blows up in pre-season.
I think with our roster, the better ST player out of the DB's and WR's will determine where they carry that extra player. I do see them carrying 4 TE's with Tye the odd man out if everyone else stays healthy, Only way Tye makes it is if Ellison's injury keeps him out.
Right now I think Wheeler and possibly Dunker are more likely to stick than Gettis. They both have more upside, than the 28 year old backup OG.
I didn't realize Powe wasn't a special teams contributor. That certainly can change things.
As for Gettis, his versatility and experience in the system give him the edge to stick. The UDFA OL can go to the PS with limited chance of being plucked, I'd think?
Or Lacosse blocks like he did pre-injury in the last 2 training camps.
Herzlich can play LB, poorly but he has versatility there and you'd just have to live with him. More importantly, he is the backup long-snapper and now apparently an inline blocking TE as well. How good he blocks remains to be seen.
Adams I presume you mean the FS who started last year. Write ups say he worked hard to improve so again lets see how he does in camp. We were a good defense with him last year and he was a rookie.
Behre is injury prone but in my mind the only true SS behind Collins in the roster so we have to hope he holds up and has learned to tackle cleanly.
I too believe Petitgout is the backup OLT should Flowers go down. We can always move a guy up from the PS.
We already have a logjam at TE
Backup snappers can be developed
If Munson, Skinner and/or Pinkins outplay Herzlich at both lb and ST during preseason than say goodbye to Mark.
We need to get faster at both lb and ST.
We need lbs who can pass cover.
I just don't see how being versatile but not particularly skilled, physical or fast gets Herzlich on the team.
Don't see how Behre gets a roster spot either. Fourth and fifth string Safeties need to be versatile. Pinkins plays S, LB and CB besides being an excellent ST player. Mykele Thompson plays cb as well as fs and specials. Both Pinkins and Thompson have shown more in pass coverage then Behre imo who is a hitter for sure but thats about it.
We already have a logjam at TE
Backup snappers can be developed
If Munson, Skinner and/or Pinkins outplay Herzlich at both lb and ST during preseason than say goodbye to Mark.
We need to get faster at both lb and ST.
We need lbs who can pass cover.
I just don't see how being versatile but not particularly skilled, physical or fast gets Herzlich on the team.
Don't see how Behre gets a roster spot either. Fourth and fifth string Safeties need to be versatile. Pinkins plays S, LB and CB besides being an excellent ST player. Mykele Thompson plays cb as well as fs and specials. Both Pinkins and Thompson have shown more in pass coverage then Behre imo who is a hitter for sure but thats about it.
Let's see if it carries over to exhibition season.
Let's see if it carries over to exhibition season.
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had a great spring.
Let's see if it carries over to exhibition season.
The thing with D. Powe is that as a 6th WR who doesn't play specials teams as I understand it he won't be active on game-days? Can we get away with that? Maybe....depends on how much upside he has as a wideout.
Powe was an excellent special-teamer in college, with, I believe, a blocked punt to his credit. He was only taken off ST duty when he began to play a much larger role in the Cal offense. He's got good size and speed, and I believe the Giants can get from him what they'd hoped to get from Geremy Davis, but never did.
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had a great spring.
Let's see if it carries over to exhibition season.
The thing with D. Powe is that as a 6th WR who doesn't play specials teams as I understand it he won't be active on game-days? Can we get away with that? Maybe....depends on how much upside he has as a wideout.
Powe was an excellent special-teamer in college, with, I believe, a blocked punt to his credit. He was only taken off ST duty when he began to play a much larger role in the Cal offense. He's got good size and speed, and I believe the Giants can get from him what they'd hoped to get from Geremy Davis, but never did.
Bisnowaty would be my swing-tackle (assuming he doesn't get the starting RT job), Brett Jones, who can back-up Pugh and Richburg (and the odds are that it will be Pugh for a couple of games, at least), and Fluker, for either spot on the right side (God help us).
Dunker and Wheeler to the PS.
And what does Luke Pettigout have to do with the 2017 Giants? Is he coming out of retirement to fill in at LT?
And what does Luke Pettigout have to do with the 2017 Giants? Is he coming out of retirement to fill in at LT?
Bisnowaty would be my swing-tackle (assuming he doesn't get the starting RT job), Brett Jones, who can back-up Pugh and Richburg (and the odds are that it will be Pugh for a couple of games, at least), and Fluker, for either spot on the right side (God help us).
Dunker and Wheeler to the PS.
I just hope Dunker & Wheeler develop.
Both need to improve their core strength, and a year under the tutelage of Aaron Wellman and his staff should do them a world of good. In addition, their technique needs to be refined, and that's a job for Mike Solari and his staff.
Wheeler's injury history is very troubling, and I hope he can shake that bug this summer. He made it through the OTAs unscathed, so there's a little hope there.
Tomlinson has a learning curve, for sure, but anyone out there think he is the starter before long?
I figure the Giants will keep four DTs on the roster as they usually do, but they also usually activate only three on gamedays. Without question, Tomlinson is a lock to make the team, but how much action he actually sees this year remains to be seen.
I figure the Giants will keep four DTs on the roster as they usually do, but they also usually activate only three on gamedays. Without question, Tomlinson is a lock to make the team, but how much action he actually sees this year remains to be seen.
Too bad we couldn't re-sign DT Hankins to a Giant friendly contract, even a one year deal so he can prove himself on a stud defense. But the Giants clearly didn't think much of him and bye-bye to Indy.
As for Hankins, he's lucky that the DT situation in Indy was such a mess. I'm happy he got paid - I really liked him in the draft - but there was no way we were going to pay him the kind of money he got from the Colts. He's a good player, and I'll miss him, but he was hardly a game-changer and his loss shouldn't hurt us too much.
We keep guys like Herz, not for his LB skills or his every down skills, but for ST's. The battle for the last WR, the last S, the last LB often comes down to utility, not overall talent because it is unlikely those guys will need to play in the field, and if they do - we are already fucked.
It isn't even the argument that you need all-stars at every position - it is the argument that you need to have competent role players that not all reserves are ideal for.
As for Hankins, he's lucky that the DT situation in Indy was such a mess. I'm happy he got paid - I really liked him in the draft - but there was no way we were going to pay him the kind of money he got from the Colts. He's a good player, and I'll miss him, but he was hardly a game-changer and his loss shouldn't hurt us too much.
This offense will be a little more TOP oriented so our defense should be a bit better rested. If you look at New England an how they won the SB, it was due to a better than 2 to 1 snaps advantage and ATL was just exhausted. Brady is the master at quickly hitting the most open man based on defensive alignment and I think Eli will have success doing this in 2017 as well.
Guys like Marshall, Shepard, Engram and perhaps Adams at TE should just run 3 yards and turn their bodies for an easy 5 yard reception much of the time. Or just dump to Perkins, Vereen or even Gallman if he learns the offense quickly.
So while I got off topic here, the idea is to negate pass rush with quick strikes. Teams will try that on us though our DB's an LB Robinson are excellent in all coverages..
If the Giants cut him he'd be out of the NFL unless Tom picked him up.
I'm surprised a guy with insider access doesn't know this.
I'm surprised a guy with insider access doesn't know this.
Herz has always been known as an above average ST player, mostly because of the pure effort (versus talent) he displays.
But also likely some portion of that is because several of our units were well-below average for years following the last Super Bowl win, and Herzlich probably looked like a good egg amongst the bad.
With better drafting, building a better roster from top to bottom, my guess is he has more competition from others on the team. I thought Goodson and Skinner both had good ST years in 2016 and maybe have passed him at this point...
Herz has always been known as an above average ST player, mostly because of the pure effort (versus talent) he displays.
But also likely some portion of that is because several of our units were well-below average for years following the last Super Bowl win, and Herzlich probably looked like a good egg amongst the bad.
With better drafting, building a better roster from top to bottom, my guess is he has more competition from others on the team. I thought Goodson and Skinner both had good ST years in 2016 and maybe have passed him at this point...
I wouldn't want him starting, of course, but you can't have everything. I like this UDFA D. Munson kid but figure him for PS this year. I think Herlich may be a potential future long snapper for us, 2020 or thereabouts perhaps?
As for Hankins, he's lucky that the DT situation in Indy was such a mess. I'm happy he got paid - I really liked him in the draft - but there was no way we were going to pay him the kind of money he got from the Colts. He's a good player, and I'll miss him, but he was hardly a game-changer and his loss shouldn't hurt us too much.