Em Tunnell has to be the second best..and I'm gonna count Stray as no. 3.
fourth??? Banks? Carson, Huff, Robestelli, Hamilton, Mendanhall??? Jason Sehorn if he'd been healthy ?
I have a feeling that it's none of the above and that he's playing for us right now. That's how good I think this crew is.
And to make it even better (and to put it into perspective) I think it could be any of: Snacks, Collins, JackRabbit, JPP, or Vernon (we haven't seen his best side yet).
That's an incredible statement, but when you analyse it...it's tough to disagree with and makes testimony to how good this unit is (or potentially could be).
The man who never (in my judgement) gets enough credit is Cromartie, but objectively this guy should be in the hunt too.
To extend the point...Kennard, Robinson, Apple, D.Thompson and Cassillas are all very good pros too...So I think it's time (as long as we limit it to potential) to start wondering if this unit overall [because LT had Toast and some other weak links] is the strongest unit we've ever fielded.
My personal answer? Yes - provided Tomlinson and D. Thompson are top notch - this unit has the potential to be the strongest defensive unit overall that we've ever fielded....(well, Grier, Kat, Andy, Mo, Livingstone, Savre, Huff, Patton, Barnes, Lynch, Nolan, please forgive me, it's a slow time when speculation is allowed).
at full health he was literally a prototype corner. I felt sick when he got injured.
at full health he was literally a prototype corner. I felt sick when he got injured.
whoops ... I meant Carson. *sorry work meeting
To think he is not in the Top 5 would be head-scratching...
I agree with this order. I did not see Tunnell play but I wish I had the chance. LT is obvious, loved Carson and Robustelli.
9 Pro Bowls
Super Bowl winner
Captain
IMO, that resume puts him above Strahan and probably Tunnell as the #2 defensive player.
If we're talking for one season (or for brief period in their peak), you could make the case for 97 Sehorn, 2016 Collins, Banks in his prime, Tuck at his best, 2000 Armstead too I think, and I'm sure many others I'm forgetting
I could accept any of these four but, in my mind, Huff stands out as the one player who could totally shut down an offense. Banks and Carson are close too.
And he played 60 minutes of every game at center on offense.
Hein might actually be tied with Lawrence Taylor for #1.
Maybe "peripherals" should count. Not only a HOF coach, but a pilot in WWII. He flew before the P-51 and when the squadrons were unaccompanied and defenseless against the Luftwaffe and anti aircraft guns. The average life of a bomber crew was about four missions. They sent you home if you survived 12, it was that dangerous.
You could make the argument, that he's the most innovative coach of all time.. Introduces the 4-3, sophisticated zone coverages, the flex defense, men in motion and mulitple sets. Takes a track star named Bullet Bob and introduces speed to the game in a different changing way.
Broaden the proposition and he might have to be considered....
And no one thinks the current crew will supply a candidate?
I think that even at this point...Snacks is top ten and moving up.
And no one thinks the current crew will supply a candidate?
I think that even at this point...Snacks is top ten and moving up.
Strahan is listed several times above.
There is not one single Giant who right now is even near Top 10 and that includes JPP. You can't put a guy whose played for us for but one year on a Top 10 list. 5 years minimum I' think. Hard to compare 50's to 90's to current times due to UFA.
Elected to both the Pro Bowl and the All Pro team from 1950-1953 (his four years with the Jints).
Sure, because he was only a a Giant for four years, its a stretch to consider him 4th best ever but that 4 year run was good as anyone whoever played on the Giants (with the exception of maybe ET and that guy #56).
Elected to both the Pro Bowl and the All Pro team from 1950-1953 (his four years with the Jints).
Sure, because he was only a a Giant for four years, its a stretch to consider him 4th best ever but that 4 year run was good as anyone whoever played on the Giants (with the exception of maybe ET and that guy #56).
You nailed it. Most posters do not remember the old timers and tend to ignore them. Weinmeister was the first DT to make a tremendous impact. Extremely strong and quick.
kinard : 7/6/2017 5:25 pm : link : reply
Sure, because he was only a a Giant for four years, its a stretch to consider him 4th best ever but that 4 year run was good as anyone whoever played on the Giants (with the exception of maybe ET and that guy #56).
And in the playoffs, he REALLY turned it on.
LT
Strahan
Tunnell
Carson
Huff/Robustelli/Banks
Mendenhall/Marshall
Anyway, my opinion, with respect to all.
LT, Tunnell, JPP, Huff