Im going to reiterate some things I have said on prioer threads shortly after the draft. Evan Engram should have significant impact on the Giants this year BEYOND how many catches, yards and TD. Those are stats.. I believe what is far more important is formations and how you stress the defense.
What Engram will allow the Giants to do ( as well as the additions of other players) is be multiple.
As McAdoo said in his interview on Wfan after the draft and it was a small point that most didnt pick up on. They will be MULTIPLE.. meaning they will be Multiple in their offensive formations and fronts. Obviously they can very depending on the defensive alignments they see, down, distance and position on the field.. which is good.
Giants played 1062 snaps on offense last year.
Will Tye played 682 of those snaps 64.12%...
think bout that for a second.. Will Tye played 65% of the Giants offensive snap counts..
Would you rather have Will Tye out there 65% of the time.. or Evan Engram out there 65% of the time?? Who do you think the defense is going to worry about more? Poor route running Tye or Good route running Big and FAST Engram.. That already stresses the defense. I can easily cover Tye with a LB or Safety.. Engram is too fast for most LB's and Safeties.. So do I then utilize a corner.. but if I do that then that opens up things for Marshall, OBJ or Shep. If I put a safety on Engram then that means there is no over the top help for the guy covering OBJ.
Impact.. without even catching a pass..
Just looking at a post on Personnel groupings and thinking about the Giants. It seems that 11 Personnel is the dominant package for NFL teams who play out of it more than 50% of the time.
I think the issue with the Giants is WHO makes up that group. They have the flexibility to utilize different players in that group and now they have the ability to " be Multiple " in terms of which formation or set they are in.
For example I was looking and thinking..
They could come out in a 12 Personnel package.. One RB, 2 TE's and 2 WR's with Perkins, Ellison, Marshall, OBJ, Engram. Then they could flex Engram out wide into an 11 Personnel package with Engram being a WR. They could also do the reverse.
If your the defense.. now what do you do.. It looked like a 2 TE run package and now its a 3WR package which they could run or pass out of easily..
They can easily use 00, 01, 02(a favorite of the Patriots when they had Hernandez), 10, 11, 12, even 13,
They could use a 20 package with 3 WR's and 2 RB's with Perkins and Vereen on the field could become a 10 with Vereen being used as a WR.. Or they could put Engram in the backfield as an Hback with Perkins OR Vereen. They could put Engram and Vereen in the backfield and then switch to either a 00 or Five WR's with Engram and Vereen becoming receivers.. OR they go to a 10 with Vereen staying in at RB and Engram being the 4th WR
Because of the personnel they should be able to show a defense multiple looks and multiple formation and better disguise what they are doing or change to one formation or another to potentially exploit a defense.
This is also why people worrying about Engram cutting into Shepard's snaps is somewhat overblown. There are at least 6 of these formations that utilize a minimum of 3 receivers. And with Engram being a Move TE or Hback (he has lined up in the backfield in college) both he and Shepard can be on the field at the same time in at least 4 of these formations..
Idiotsavant has also brought up on several occasions how the Falcons utilize a 13 personnel that they both run and pass very effectively out of with multiple TE's especially in the red zone.
It will be interesting to see what McAdoo does with the tools he has now..
So that being said.. I can easily see Engram having IMPACT in the way his abilities allow the Giants to run multiple offensive formations which will challenge a stretch a defense.
Think about this for a second. OBJ has been an absolute MONSTER his first three years with Ruben Randle, a broke down, not suited for the outside Victor Cruz and NO TE.. and a poor running game..
Imagine how much can open up for him with a solid WR opposite him, an improved running game with Perkins, Gallman and a healthy Vereen AND a TE who can attack and stress defenders...
Im going to reiterate some things I have said on prioer threads shortly after the draft. Evan Engram should have significant impact on the Giants this year BEYOND how many catches, yards and TD. Those are stats.. I believe what is far more important is formations and how you stress the defense.
What Engram will allow the Giants to do ( as well as the additions of other players) is be multiple.
As McAdoo said in his interview on Wfan after the draft and it was a small point that most didnt pick up on. They will be MULTIPLE.. meaning they will be Multiple in their offensive formations and fronts. Obviously they can very depending on the defensive alignments they see, down, distance and position on the field.. which is good.
Giants played 1062 snaps on offense last year.
Will Tye played 682 of those snaps 64.12%...
think bout that for a second.. Will Tye played 65% of the Giants offensive snap counts..
Would you rather have Will Tye out there 65% of the time.. or Evan Engram out there 65% of the time?? Who do you think the defense is going to worry about more? Poor route running Tye or Good route running Big and FAST Engram.. That already stresses the defense. I can easily cover Tye with a LB or Safety.. Engram is too fast for most LB's and Safeties.. So do I then utilize a corner.. but if I do that then that opens up things for Marshall, OBJ or Shep. If I put a safety on Engram then that means there is no over the top help for the guy covering OBJ.
Impact.. without even catching a pass..
Just looking at a post on Personnel groupings and thinking about the Giants. It seems that 11 Personnel is the dominant package for NFL teams who play out of it more than 50% of the time.
I think the issue with the Giants is WHO makes up that group. They have the flexibility to utilize different players in that group and now they have the ability to " be Multiple " in terms of which formation or set they are in.
For example I was looking and thinking..
They could come out in a 12 Personnel package.. One RB, 2 TE's and 2 WR's with Perkins, Ellison, Marshall, OBJ, Engram. Then they could flex Engram out wide into an 11 Personnel package with Engram being a WR. They could also do the reverse.
If your the defense.. now what do you do.. It looked like a 2 TE run package and now its a 3WR package which they could run or pass out of easily..
They can easily use 00, 01, 02(a favorite of the Patriots when they had Hernandez), 10, 11, 12, even 13,
They could use a 20 package with 3 WR's and 2 RB's with Perkins and Vereen on the field could become a 10 with Vereen being used as a WR.. Or they could put Engram in the backfield as an Hback with Perkins OR Vereen. They could put Engram and Vereen in the backfield and then switch to either a 00 or Five WR's with Engram and Vereen becoming receivers.. OR they go to a 10 with Vereen staying in at RB and Engram being the 4th WR
Because of the personnel they should be able to show a defense multiple looks and multiple formation and better disguise what they are doing or change to one formation or another to potentially exploit a defense.
This is also why people worrying about Engram cutting into Shepard's snaps is somewhat overblown. There are at least 6 of these formations that utilize a minimum of 3 receivers. And with Engram being a Move TE or Hback (he has lined up in the backfield in college) both he and Shepard can be on the field at the same time in at least 4 of these formations..
Idiotsavant has also brought up on several occasions how the Falcons utilize a 13 personnel that they both run and pass very effectively out of with multiple TE's especially in the red zone.
It will be interesting to see what McAdoo does with the tools he has now..
So that being said.. I can easily see Engram having IMPACT in the way his abilities allow the Giants to run multiple offensive formations which will challenge a stretch a defense.
Think about this for a second. OBJ has been an absolute MONSTER his first three years with Ruben Randle, a broke down, not suited for the outside Victor Cruz and NO TE.. and a poor running game..
Imagine how much can open up for him with a solid WR opposite him, an improved running game with Perkins, Gallman and a healthy Vereen AND a TE who can attack and stress defenders...
IMPACT
I totally concur with your first paragraph: Engram automatically stresses a defense due to his size & speed ration which is outright sick good at 4.42 40 yd dash, as fast as OBJ, .01 faster actually and he is 3" and 35 pounds bigger to boot!
If Engram can beat that young Dallas secondary deep down the middle for 40 or more yards and a score he will set the tone for himself and the offense the rest of the year as safeties will be put on him and they'll stay back a bit due to his size and speed. He beats a jam and its over.
but line Odell / Engram up on the same side of the formation ... Odell - go route; Engram - deep post ...
laugh at the cowboys "enthusiastic" defensive backs ...
I'm guessing there will be a lot of formations with Engram moving all over, Odell moving too, just various ones.
I'm really looking forward to the August 1st pre-season game, just to see how Engram does down the field as I'm sure they'll try him deep at least once for the experience.
but line Odell / Engram up on the same side of the formation ... Odell - go route; Engram - deep post ...
laugh at the cowboys "enthusiastic" defensive backs ...
I'm guessing there will be a lot of formations with Engram moving all over, Odell moving too, just various ones.
I'm really looking forward to the August 1st pre-season game, just to see how Engram does down the field as I'm sure they'll try him deep at least once for the experience.
the possibilities are endless ... as along as Engram doesn't drop the ball - I really have no idea how defenses are going to contain Beckham and Engram ... while Shepard moves the chains ...
oh yeah, and then Brandon Marshall instead of the ghost of Victor Cruz ... Week 1 can not come fast enough.
it'll be when forcing teams to think twice about that cover 2 shell / double Odell they saw all year last season ... and he will burn them accordingly
4.4 speed at his size will be doing a lot more than "moving the chains"
What Engram will allow the Giants to do ( as well as the additions of other players) is be multiple.
As McAdoo said in his interview on Wfan after the draft and it was a small point that most didnt pick up on. They will be MULTIPLE.. meaning they will be Multiple in their offensive formations and fronts. Obviously they can very depending on the defensive alignments they see, down, distance and position on the field.. which is good.
Giants played 1062 snaps on offense last year.
Will Tye played 682 of those snaps 64.12%...
think bout that for a second.. Will Tye played 65% of the Giants offensive snap counts..
Would you rather have Will Tye out there 65% of the time.. or Evan Engram out there 65% of the time?? Who do you think the defense is going to worry about more? Poor route running Tye or Good route running Big and FAST Engram.. That already stresses the defense. I can easily cover Tye with a LB or Safety.. Engram is too fast for most LB's and Safeties.. So do I then utilize a corner.. but if I do that then that opens up things for Marshall, OBJ or Shep. If I put a safety on Engram then that means there is no over the top help for the guy covering OBJ.
Impact.. without even catching a pass..
Just looking at a post on Personnel groupings and thinking about the Giants. It seems that 11 Personnel is the dominant package for NFL teams who play out of it more than 50% of the time.
I think the issue with the Giants is WHO makes up that group. They have the flexibility to utilize different players in that group and now they have the ability to " be Multiple " in terms of which formation or set they are in.
For example I was looking and thinking..
They could come out in a 12 Personnel package.. One RB, 2 TE's and 2 WR's with Perkins, Ellison, Marshall, OBJ, Engram. Then they could flex Engram out wide into an 11 Personnel package with Engram being a WR. They could also do the reverse.
If your the defense.. now what do you do.. It looked like a 2 TE run package and now its a 3WR package which they could run or pass out of easily..
They can easily use 00, 01, 02(a favorite of the Patriots when they had Hernandez), 10, 11, 12, even 13,
They could use a 20 package with 3 WR's and 2 RB's with Perkins and Vereen on the field could become a 10 with Vereen being used as a WR.. Or they could put Engram in the backfield as an Hback with Perkins OR Vereen. They could put Engram and Vereen in the backfield and then switch to either a 00 or Five WR's with Engram and Vereen becoming receivers.. OR they go to a 10 with Vereen staying in at RB and Engram being the 4th WR
Because of the personnel they should be able to show a defense multiple looks and multiple formation and better disguise what they are doing or change to one formation or another to potentially exploit a defense.
This is also why people worrying about Engram cutting into Shepard's snaps is somewhat overblown. There are at least 6 of these formations that utilize a minimum of 3 receivers. And with Engram being a Move TE or Hback (he has lined up in the backfield in college) both he and Shepard can be on the field at the same time in at least 4 of these formations..
Idiotsavant has also brought up on several occasions how the Falcons utilize a 13 personnel that they both run and pass very effectively out of with multiple TE's especially in the red zone.
It will be interesting to see what McAdoo does with the tools he has now..
So that being said.. I can easily see Engram having IMPACT in the way his abilities allow the Giants to run multiple offensive formations which will challenge a stretch a defense.
Think about this for a second. OBJ has been an absolute MONSTER his first three years with Ruben Randle, a broke down, not suited for the outside Victor Cruz and NO TE.. and a poor running game..
Imagine how much can open up for him with a solid WR opposite him, an improved running game with Perkins, Gallman and a healthy Vereen AND a TE who can attack and stress defenders...
IMPACT
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What Engram will allow the Giants to do ( as well as the additions of other players) is be multiple.
As McAdoo said in his interview on Wfan after the draft and it was a small point that most didnt pick up on. They will be MULTIPLE.. meaning they will be Multiple in their offensive formations and fronts. Obviously they can very depending on the defensive alignments they see, down, distance and position on the field.. which is good.
Giants played 1062 snaps on offense last year.
Will Tye played 682 of those snaps 64.12%...
think bout that for a second.. Will Tye played 65% of the Giants offensive snap counts..
Would you rather have Will Tye out there 65% of the time.. or Evan Engram out there 65% of the time?? Who do you think the defense is going to worry about more? Poor route running Tye or Good route running Big and FAST Engram.. That already stresses the defense. I can easily cover Tye with a LB or Safety.. Engram is too fast for most LB's and Safeties.. So do I then utilize a corner.. but if I do that then that opens up things for Marshall, OBJ or Shep. If I put a safety on Engram then that means there is no over the top help for the guy covering OBJ.
Impact.. without even catching a pass..
Just looking at a post on Personnel groupings and thinking about the Giants. It seems that 11 Personnel is the dominant package for NFL teams who play out of it more than 50% of the time.
I think the issue with the Giants is WHO makes up that group. They have the flexibility to utilize different players in that group and now they have the ability to " be Multiple " in terms of which formation or set they are in.
For example I was looking and thinking..
They could come out in a 12 Personnel package.. One RB, 2 TE's and 2 WR's with Perkins, Ellison, Marshall, OBJ, Engram. Then they could flex Engram out wide into an 11 Personnel package with Engram being a WR. They could also do the reverse.
If your the defense.. now what do you do.. It looked like a 2 TE run package and now its a 3WR package which they could run or pass out of easily..
They can easily use 00, 01, 02(a favorite of the Patriots when they had Hernandez), 10, 11, 12, even 13,
They could use a 20 package with 3 WR's and 2 RB's with Perkins and Vereen on the field could become a 10 with Vereen being used as a WR.. Or they could put Engram in the backfield as an Hback with Perkins OR Vereen. They could put Engram and Vereen in the backfield and then switch to either a 00 or Five WR's with Engram and Vereen becoming receivers.. OR they go to a 10 with Vereen staying in at RB and Engram being the 4th WR
Because of the personnel they should be able to show a defense multiple looks and multiple formation and better disguise what they are doing or change to one formation or another to potentially exploit a defense.
This is also why people worrying about Engram cutting into Shepard's snaps is somewhat overblown. There are at least 6 of these formations that utilize a minimum of 3 receivers. And with Engram being a Move TE or Hback (he has lined up in the backfield in college) both he and Shepard can be on the field at the same time in at least 4 of these formations..
Idiotsavant has also brought up on several occasions how the Falcons utilize a 13 personnel that they both run and pass very effectively out of with multiple TE's especially in the red zone.
It will be interesting to see what McAdoo does with the tools he has now..
So that being said.. I can easily see Engram having IMPACT in the way his abilities allow the Giants to run multiple offensive formations which will challenge a stretch a defense.
Think about this for a second. OBJ has been an absolute MONSTER his first three years with Ruben Randle, a broke down, not suited for the outside Victor Cruz and NO TE.. and a poor running game..
Imagine how much can open up for him with a solid WR opposite him, an improved running game with Perkins, Gallman and a healthy Vereen AND a TE who can attack and stress defenders...
IMPACT
If Engram can beat that young Dallas secondary deep down the middle for 40 or more yards and a score he will set the tone for himself and the offense the rest of the year as safeties will be put on him and they'll stay back a bit due to his size and speed. He beats a jam and its over.
laugh at the cowboys "enthusiastic" defensive backs ...
laugh at the cowboys "enthusiastic" defensive backs ...
I'm really looking forward to the August 1st pre-season game, just to see how Engram does down the field as I'm sure they'll try him deep at least once for the experience.
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but line Odell / Engram up on the same side of the formation ... Odell - go route; Engram - deep post ...
laugh at the cowboys "enthusiastic" defensive backs ...
I'm guessing there will be a lot of formations with Engram moving all over, Odell moving too, just various ones.
I'm really looking forward to the August 1st pre-season game, just to see how Engram does down the field as I'm sure they'll try him deep at least once for the experience.
the possibilities are endless ... as along as Engram doesn't drop the ball - I really have no idea how defenses are going to contain Beckham and Engram ... while Shepard moves the chains ...
oh yeah, and then Brandon Marshall instead of the ghost of Victor Cruz ... Week 1 can not come fast enough.